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(Yahoo)   President Obama told President Putin on a call that sending troops to Ukraine flouted international law, ruined his Sunday, and he'll remove any Facebook likes he gave Putin, the very next time he's on Facebook ...... unless a staffer does it sooner   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 144
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2014-03-01 10:42:39 PM
Sounds like a plan to me.

Maybe we should follow the Fox News agenda and go all in for WWIII.
 
2014-03-01 10:58:51 PM

EvilEeyore: Sounds like a plan to me.

Maybe we should follow the Fox News agenda and go all in for WWIII.


Go watch Jesus Camp and tell me they're not on their knees right now praying for the rapture to occur.
 
2014-03-01 11:01:29 PM
The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.
 
2014-03-02 12:20:08 AM
Aww, sad. We're not going to get into a long, drawn out, pointless war halfway around the world that has minimal impact on ourselves as a country?

*sigh*
 
2014-03-02 12:33:07 AM

feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.


Syria is only a fiasco because the global community at large didn't have the stones to take Bashir's regime out years ago.  Instead, they let him fester for decades, and then wring their hands (incl Obama) when it is far too late to anything effective, and the once civilian opposition has been infected by lunatics.
 
2014-03-02 12:33:11 AM
HOW DARE HE ATTEMPT TO EMPLOY DIPLOMACY!!!
 
2014-03-02 12:34:04 AM
We have enough on our plate, let's let Putin have this one
 
2014-03-02 12:36:34 AM
I'm sure Bush would have been much more decisive in handling this situation.
Of course he'd probably decide to attack New Zealand. But hey, you can't have everything.
 
2014-03-02 12:36:34 AM

feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.


Or rather, he realized that the majority of the country, including the vast majority of the people who elected him and support the Democratic party, didn't want another war, especially one in which we'd be either supporting the Assad regime or al qaeda, and thus he pulled back on the reins so that the Syrians can sort that mess out themselves.

This seems like another opportunity to keep our noses out of it.  If the conflict ends up becoming more than a flash-in-the-pan and starts to spill into the rest of Europe, we can step in.  Until then, this is an issue between the Ukraine and Russia, they can work the solution out themselves.
 
2014-03-02 12:45:40 AM
This is just the weirdest talking point. Can anyone give a single actual military option they want Obama to employ?
 
2014-03-02 12:45:51 AM
The Ukraine does have its own pretty sizable military and they have stayed out of it so why should any other country even bother. Putin has always considered the Crimea part of Russia and the Naval base there important if Russia is ever to be considered a world power again or at least in the minds of Russians. Obama would have been better to ignore it publicly for the weekend and on Monday it should be done, It does not matter what he says it will be attacked anyway. There is no benefit to the US to do anything and most of the residents of the area speak Russian anyway and they western part in need of aid is still looking for cash.
 
2014-03-02 01:14:30 AM

feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.


You mean that time we got Syria to stop using chemical weapons without having to fight another war?

You're an idiot chickenhawk who has no f*cking clue what it actually means to escalate to violence in this world, especially violence thousands of miles away from the shores of America, and last I checked that was more important than policing the whole f*cking world especially since no one is paying us for the privilege.

Get a life.
 
2014-03-02 01:16:04 AM

DamnYankees: This is just the weirdest talking point. Can anyone give a single actual military option they want Obama to employ?


Drop the 101st into Sevastopol!

Bomb Moscow!

Drone strike Putin!

Have Mom bring down more Hot Pockets!
 
2014-03-02 01:25:13 AM
Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, BENGHAZI, BENGHAZI!!!

Cripes, just when I've managed to nail the proper progression of manufactured outrage, I have to learn a new mantra.  Ah, the lot in life of the mindless Tea Party drone.
 
2014-03-02 01:31:28 AM

DamnYankees: This is just the weirdest talking point. Can anyone give a single actual military option they want Obama to employ?


Obama is weak because:
1) He didn't send strong language about a former superpower's encroachment into another sovereign nation.

Oh he did?

Well he's weak because:
2) He sent strong language but doesn't have the guts to start another war thousands of miles away against another nuclear armed nation.

See? I was right. Obama is such a chickensh*t pussy because he doesn't want to start World War III.
 
2014-03-02 03:00:37 AM

bdub77: feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.

You mean that time we got Syria to stop using chemical weapons without having to fight another war?


Only a complete idiot would seriously believe that that was the real purpose of all that. It was an obvious attempt to open the door for bombing the Baathist military in order to save the Western/Saudi-backed mercenaries' asses. Assad and Putin let the CWs go (if there even were any) as a sacrificial lamb to make Obama look foolish and hypocritical if he didn't take yes for an answer. All the pearls-clutching about CWs was either an obvious ploy to carry out bombings of general military targets, or honest and hopelessly naive.
 
2014-03-02 03:25:41 AM

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Why can't I just eat my waffle?

 
2014-03-02 03:25:42 AM
There are good ways to avoid going to war. Proving to the world you are indecisive and in over your head is not one of them.
 
2014-03-02 03:26:49 AM
Since when did the USA worry about flouting international law?  What, is that only OK when we do it?
 
2014-03-02 03:33:00 AM

TheWhoppah: Since when did the USA worry about flouting international law?  What, is that only OK when we do it?


The US just doesn't want Russia to expand its sphere of influence even bigger under the guise of protecting its naval base, especially with violence in another country.

That said, Russia has nukes. I don't think anyone wants to see a shooting war.
 
2014-03-02 03:33:06 AM

TheWhoppah: Since when did the USA worry about flouting international law?  What, is that only OK when we do it?



"It is the last territorial claim that I have to make in Europe." - Vladimir Putin
 
2014-03-02 03:34:42 AM
 
2014-03-02 03:34:45 AM
Thirteen thousand comments? Jeez the chickenhawks are out in force over on Yahoo.
 
2014-03-02 03:40:22 AM
Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.
 
2014-03-02 03:43:04 AM

RanDomino: bdub77: feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.

You mean that time we got Syria to stop using chemical weapons without having to fight another war?

Only a complete idiot would seriously believe that that was the real purpose of all that. It was an obvious attempt to open the door for bombing the Baathist military in order to save the Western/Saudi-backed mercenaries' asses. Assad and Putin let the CWs go (if there even were any) as a sacrificial lamb to make Obama look foolish and hypocritical if he didn't take yes for an answer. All the pearls-clutching about CWs was either an obvious ploy to carry out bombings of general military targets, or honest and hopelessly naive.


The "real purpose of that" is the Syrian regime is in the middle of a civil war, which doesn't actually have anything to do with us, and didn't want the US to destroy the only real advantages he has - heavy armor, air assets and artillery. Which is what would all turn in to piles of scrap within 48 hours if the US imposed the no-fly zone we were threatening to impose at the time after a couple of chemical weapons attacks. That's it. Pretty simple actually. We made a credible threat and Assad acted in his own best interests.

Of course if you WANT to believe in some retarded 3-dimensional chess fantasy/conspiracy, by all means... Turn up the volume on Fox news and masturbate harder.
 
2014-03-02 03:44:08 AM
Reading Fark headlines just makes me pray for cancer these days. If you can't be the least bit funny, or at least not cause age lines on your readers, don't try to be funny.
 
2014-03-02 03:46:47 AM

Standard Deviant: There are good ways to avoid going to war. Proving to the world you are indecisive and in over your head is not one of them.


Yes, this is the problem. Obama didn't want this problem so he pretended it didn't exist.
 
2014-03-02 03:47:33 AM
Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?
 
2014-03-02 03:48:57 AM
Thinking out loud here...I wonder what affect this will have on the markets Monday morning.
 
2014-03-02 03:48:59 AM

gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?


We can manage to cut off Russia on its one military port in the Caspian sea.
 
2014-03-02 03:49:06 AM
Why do people feel that Obama can't first open a dialogue with Putin, trying to diplomatically solve a situation, rather than go in guns blazing like a Texan cowboy?

F'ing morans.
 
2014-03-02 03:52:24 AM

zerkalo: Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.


Thanks for reminding me of another disgusting characteristic of the Birchers and their FoxNews-viewing followers: They really believe that fellow Americans who don't agree with their politics are enemies.
 
2014-03-02 03:52:54 AM

RanDomino: bdub77: feckingmorons: The world knows he is impotent. Look at the fiasco Syria and his line in the sand.

You mean that time we got Syria to stop using chemical weapons without having to fight another war?

Only a complete idiot would seriously believe that that was the real purpose of all that. It was an obvious attempt to open the door for bombing the Baathist military in order to save the Western/Saudi-backed mercenaries' asses. Assad and Putin let the CWs go (if there even were any) as a sacrificial lamb to make Obama look foolish and hypocritical if he didn't take yes for an answer. All the pearls-clutching about CWs was either an obvious ploy to carry out bombings of general military targets, or honest and hopelessly naive.


I'm honestly intrigued, as I hadn't followed that angle. Do you have some links I can read?
 
2014-03-02 03:54:00 AM

super_grass: gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?

We can manage to cut off Russia on its one military port in the Caspian sea.


No, thank you. I'd rather my children live.

/And not glow in the dark.
 
2014-03-02 03:54:24 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: zerkalo: Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.

Thanks for reminding me of another disgusting characteristic of the Birchers and their FoxNews-viewing followers: They really believe that fellow Americans who don't agree with their politics are enemies.


There's a double-poe going on here I just know it.
 
2014-03-02 03:54:58 AM

super_grass: gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?

We can manage to cut off Russia on its one military port in the Caspian sea.


What are you saying, exactly? Neither Georgia nor the Ukraine are located along the Caspian Sea (they're on the Black Sea). Maybe it's too early in the morning where I am...
 
2014-03-02 03:56:06 AM

gsiofa: super_grass: gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?

We can manage to cut off Russia on its one military port in the Caspian sea.

What are you saying, exactly? Neither Georgia nor the Ukraine are located along the Caspian Sea (they're on the Black Sea). Maybe it's too early in the morning where I am...


I was thinking of the Black Sea, brainfart on my part.
 
2014-03-02 03:56:07 AM
Obama broke out the EARTHQUAKE MACHINE again.

Can you even feel a 3.2?
 
2014-03-02 03:57:33 AM

super_grass: gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?

We can manage to cut off Russia on its one military port in the Caspian sea.


The Black Sea, not the Caspian.. the Caspian Sea is landlocked, and worthless for navies.
 
2014-03-02 03:57:59 AM

gsiofa: super_grass: gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?

We can manage to cut off Russia on its one military port in the Caspian sea.

What are you saying, exactly? Neither Georgia nor the Ukraine are located along the Caspian Sea (they're on the Black Sea). Maybe it's too early in the morning where I am...


Hush now.
Mr. double-Poe was on a roll.
 
2014-03-02 04:00:01 AM
Well, personally, I'm entertained by all these world events directly related to, and usually caused by the black guy.
 
2014-03-02 04:03:01 AM

super_grass: demaL-demaL-yeH: zerkalo: Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.

Thanks for reminding me of another disgusting characteristic of the Birchers and their FoxNews-viewing followers: They really believe that fellow Americans who don't agree with their politics are enemies.

There's a double-poe going on here I just know it.


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It's wrong of me to find the mindset that produces crap like this disgusting?
 
2014-03-02 04:04:07 AM

super_grass: gsiofa: super_grass: gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?

We can manage to cut off Russia on its one military port in the Caspian sea.

What are you saying, exactly? Neither Georgia nor the Ukraine are located along the Caspian Sea (they're on the Black Sea). Maybe it's too early in the morning where I am...

I was thinking of the Black Sea, brainfart on my part.


It's just a small straight the Russians had to cross to enter the Crimea peninsula directly from Russia, so it's not that much different from the ground invasion into Georgia, right? So what's to cut off? You'd have to block the straight, and constantly patrol the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea to be effective. Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, but the situation seems best for a diplomatic intervention considering nearly every world leader is scheduled to be at the Nuclear Security Summit in two weeks, and the annual G8 summit is supposed to be in Russia in a month.
 
2014-03-02 04:04:22 AM

super_grass: gsiofa: Bush didn't involve the U.S. in the Russo-Georgian war in 2008, and a diplomatic effort from France/EU led to a ceasefire. Why should Obama lead the U.S. into war now?

We can manage to cut off Russia on its one military port in the Caspian sea.


Are you serious? Are you advocating for military intervention against Russia?
 
2014-03-02 04:08:39 AM

phrawgh: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x290]Why can't I just eat my waffle?


Damn you, now I want Belgian waffles. At motherf*cking 1 AM. And I don't own a waffle iron.
 
2014-03-02 04:10:41 AM

Triumph: Obama broke out the EARTHQUAKE MACHINE again.

Can you even feel a 3.2?


That's sorta what my girlfriend said.

/Sorta would be girlfriend
//Ok, she's a doll that speaks
///In my mind
////Just making light in this thread
 
2014-03-02 04:11:39 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: super_grass: demaL-demaL-yeH: zerkalo: Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.

Thanks for reminding me of another disgusting characteristic of the Birchers and their FoxNews-viewing followers: They really believe that fellow Americans who don't agree with their politics are enemies.

There's a double-poe going on here I just know it.

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It's wrong of me to find the mindset that produces crap like this disgusting?


Imaginary people who joke about shooting people they disagree with in a Russia discussion aside, I was talking about accusing others of being sympathetic to an anti-american leader and then accuse them of labeling people who they disagree with the enemy.

It's a sign of political hysteria, or at least lack of self awareness.
 
2014-03-02 04:19:37 AM
Poland and the rest of eastern Europe got sold into Soviet slavery by the democrats after being our invaluable allies by giving us the Enigma machine and running the best resistance in Europe until it was betrayed by Stalin at Warsaw. The democrats didn't approve of going back into Vietnam when the north was steamrolling them despite the peace treaty which said we would. Now Ukraine is asking us and NATO to honor the treaty we signed saying we'd protect their territorial integrity in exchange for giving up their nukes 20 years ago. To quote Animal House, "You screwed up, you trusted us." Obama's not going to break the democrats' perfect record of betrayal. The Russians murdered 8 million Ukrainians by starving them to death in a single winter causing The New York Times reporter to quip, "You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs." I wonder how many. Ukrainians the Russians will kill this time and I wonder what aphorism the New York Times will come up with this time.
 
2014-03-02 04:24:04 AM

super_grass: demaL-demaL-yeH: super_grass: demaL-demaL-yeH: zerkalo: Republicans have battered-wife syndrome regarding Putin. They can't comprehend how anti-American he is because he is the enemy of their enemy.

Thanks for reminding me of another disgusting characteristic of the Birchers and their FoxNews-viewing followers: They really believe that fellow Americans who don't agree with their politics are enemies.

There's a double-poe going on here I just know it.

[img353.imageshack.us image 399x240]
It's wrong of me to find the mindset that produces crap like this disgusting?

Imaginary people who joke about shooting people they disagree with in a Russia discussion aside, I was talking about accusing others of being sympathetic to an anti-american leader and then accuse them of labeling people who they disagree with the enemy.

It's a sign of political hysteria, or at least lack of self awareness.


Don't try to tell me that the current crop of Republicans don't claim these values. Don't tell me that Ann Coulter, Roger Ailes and his talking hairdo crew, Limbaugh, Savage, and the rest of talk radio aren't espousing those views and calling "liberals" - whatever that means - "enemies of America." Tell me those stickers, and many more with messages along those lines, are imaginary, and that I don't see them plastered on the backs of vehicles pretty much daily.
 
2014-03-02 04:24:13 AM
No answer. Guess I'll just add "Wants WW3" to his label. That label's getting a lot of usage in this thread...
 
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