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(MSN) NewsFlash Russian troops invade the Crimean region of Ukraine. This will not end well   (news.msn.com ) divider line 499
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2014-03-01 07:33:03 PM  

LordJiro: Keith Dudemeister: cchris_39: bobothemagnificent:

Haha yep. The enemy actually escalates DURING a call from the President warning them to stand down.

NOW you're a biatch.

You sound happy about this.

They get to portray Obama as 'weak', make their fascist, corrupt, homophobic, oligarch-loving buddy Putin look like a badass, and pretend they know more about foreign policy than the Commander-in-chief of the US military and all of his advisors.

Of course they're happy.


Lol yeah we're all secret Bolsheviks.
 
2014-03-01 07:33:11 PM  

Tatterdemalian: What should Obama do?

Stop making threats he can't back up, and stop making promises he can't keep.

Unfortunately, his political base would shiat a brick if he didn't get up there and make those empty threats and promises, because as liberal progressives will tell you, words mean everything and actions mean nothing.

/even expecting a promise to be kept is racist


This is pretty solid. You hit most of the speaking points without actually offering a solution, and even managed to squeeze in race. Impressive! One tip -- next time use "libtards" instead of "liberal progressives." It's zippier.
 
2014-03-01 07:34:03 PM  

Tatterdemalian: because as liberal progressives will tell you, words mean everything and actions mean nothing.



You're thinking of today's American Christian.
 
2014-03-01 07:34:04 PM  

OgreMagi: stratagos: OgreMagi: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

We have a treaty obligation to help the Ukraine protect their border.  I personally don't want us involved in another war, but if we don't do something our international standing will be turned to shiat (more than it is now).

We could start by immediately declaring an embargo on all business with Russia.  If we can get the other NATO members involved, it might actually get Putin's attention.  What to do next, I don't know.  But I'm a system administrator, not a diplomat who is supposed to know what to do.  I do know, however, that doing nothing is not going to help.

Wait, what? We have a treaty with them? They're in NATO?

In 1994 the US and the UK, as part of NATO, signed a treaty with the Ukraine to help them defend their borders.  In exchange, the Ukraine gave up all their nukes.  It seemed like a good idea at the time.  That treaty is still valid.


Ah, the Budapest Memorandum. Let's see...
FTF treaty:
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

Looks like there is some wiggle-room there. "Respect" as in commitment but it's no oath to defend the borders. The West is going to look pretty bad if they let Russia walk allover the place unchallenged though. This is FAR worse than the Georgia situation.
 
2014-03-01 07:34:11 PM  
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2014-03-01 07:35:02 PM  

Tatterdemalian: What should Obama do?

Stop making threats he can't back up, and stop making promises he can't keep.

Unfortunately, his political base would shiat a brick if he didn't get up there and make those empty threats and promises, because as liberal progressives will tell you, words mean everything and actions mean nothing.

/even expecting a promise to be kept is racist


Yeah, because we all remember how much the GOP was in support of his decisive action in Libya. "Whoa, slow down! Let's not be too hasty!"
 
2014-03-01 07:35:47 PM  
I'm just afraid that the West will ignore the NATO pact and Kiev in.
 
2014-03-01 07:37:25 PM  

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2014-03-01 07:37:52 PM  

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Can't we just cede it back to the Mongolians?
 
2014-03-01 07:38:58 PM  
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2014-03-01 07:39:18 PM  

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2014-03-01 07:39:24 PM  

rmz: Tatterdemalian: What should Obama do?

Stop making threats he can't back up, and stop making promises he can't keep.

Unfortunately, his political base would shiat a brick if he didn't get up there and make those empty threats and promises, because as liberal progressives will tell you, words mean everything and actions mean nothing.

/even expecting a promise to be kept is racist

Yeah, because we all remember how much the GOP was in support of his decisive action in Libya. "Whoa, slow down! Let's not be too hasty!"


And the support of his actions in Syria.

"Obama isn't doing anything about the Syrian government slaughtering civilians! Wait, but he can't help the rebels, either, because they're all terrorists. But he can't just send a strongly-worded letter, because that just makes America look weak!"
 
2014-03-01 07:40:05 PM  

Lord_Baull: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

More importantly, was President Obama answering his phone when this was happening. I was assured he wouldn't be.



Maybe he was on the phone with the pope and received Nun of the updates.
 
2014-03-01 07:40:36 PM  

rmz: Tatterdemalian: What should Obama do?

Stop making threats he can't back up, and stop making promises he can't keep.

Unfortunately, his political base would shiat a brick if he didn't get up there and make those empty threats and promises, because as liberal progressives will tell you, words mean everything and actions mean nothing.

/even expecting a promise to be kept is racist

Yeah, because we all remember how much the GOP was in support of his decisive action in Libya. "Whoa, slow down! Let's not be too hasty!"



Obama's decision to invade Libya with the army he had rather than the army he wanted cost 4000+ American lives. His unkept promise to deliver Osama Bin Laden dead or alive was just an empty threat as well.

I pine for the decisive actions of Bush.
 
2014-03-01 07:40:51 PM  
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2014-03-01 07:41:04 PM  
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2014-03-01 07:41:09 PM  

Krymson Tyde: This will be Obama's Benghazi.


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2014-03-01 07:42:23 PM  

SlothB77: http://twitchy.com/2014/02/28/flashback-candidate-mitt-romney-ridicul e d-for-cold-war-thinking/


A heartfelt 'thank you' for reminding us that Romney is not president.
 
2014-03-01 07:43:51 PM  

Lord_Baull: SlothB77: http://twitchy.com/2014/02/28/flashback-candidate-mitt-romney-ridicul e d-for-cold-war-thinking/

A heartfelt 'thank you' for reminding us that Romney is not president.


Oh, great - now we have Russians posting on Fark
 
2014-03-01 07:44:29 PM  

Boojum2k: MechaPyx: Adolf Oliver Nipples: MechaPyx: Eh, it's in their backyard and they have a huge naval base there. I'd be surprised if they didn't move troops in. We'd do the same thing in that situation.

Would we? Would we really invade Cuba?

One of these things is not like the other.

Considering the unrest in the Ukraine and the strategic importance of their naval base in that area? Them moving troops in to secure it is not surprising.

Cuba is not in the least bit similar. We have a ton of naval bases we can use so losing access to Cuba wouldn't cripple our navy. Russia doesn't have the same options. They need that base a lot more than we need Cuba. And yeah, if we were in a similar situation you're damn right we'd do the same thing.

Why doesn't Russia adopt the Cuba solution? Work out with Ukraine a lease on the Crimean ports. They'd whine as much as Cuba, and get as much response, but it works.


They already did, their lease on the ports in Sevastopol run all the way through 2042.
 
2014-03-01 07:44:47 PM  

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With what, his empty bottle of geritol?
 
2014-03-01 07:45:00 PM  
As with the Cuban Missile Crisis, the danger isn't in the US capability, or President Obama's policies and willingness to use force if he deems it necessary.  It's Putin's impression of Obama's and the US's resolve and ability.  Say what you will about having a crazy old man with his finger on the button in the White House, but you don't mess with the crazy.  Crazy will kill you.  Reasonable people trying to reason with unreasonable people are going be as successful as an internet argument.
 
2014-03-01 07:45:15 PM  
Hahahaha.http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/obama-mitt-80s-calle d-they-want-theirhttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d43_1393643012&utm_s ource=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1 0/22/obama-romney-russia_n_2003927.html
 
2014-03-01 07:46:25 PM  

LordJiro: You mean like the mostly-Russian populace of Crimea asked them to?

And really, you're surprised that the Russians want to make sure they don't lose their main port on the Black Sea?

I'm no fan of Pooty-Poot, but this is not nearly as big an issue as people are whining about.


Not really mostly, but about half.  What about the half that want to stay part of Ukraine?
 
2014-03-01 07:47:12 PM  
Dammit. My iPad is messing up the formatting.
 
2014-03-01 07:47:14 PM  

jigger: jvl: As a condition for Ukraine giving up its Nukes, the US promised to do something about it.

Hopefully the language of that treaty is very vague.


It's not.
 
2014-03-01 07:47:26 PM  
IronTom:

A-10 Warthog?  We are cancelling them all and getting rid of them so EBT users can have more lobster.

Ignoring the jab at social services, does the A-10 still serve a purpose today? Legitimate question, I have no idea.
 
2014-03-01 07:47:37 PM  
I was reading the Crimean wiki page .... complicated history.  It seems everyone has tried hanging out on that particular piece of real estate over the past 3000 years.
 
2014-03-01 07:48:11 PM  

ksdanj: How does the United States credibly object to this when the United States congress voted to authorize President Bush to invade a country half a world away from the United States.

/reap what you sow...


Last I checked, Russia wasn't at a state of war and operating under a cease fire agreement with Ukraine; it's not like the US just arbitrarily invaded another country.
 
2014-03-01 07:48:42 PM  
And just so I have it straight, it is "Ukraine"  but  we still prefer, "THE Ohio State University", right?
 
2014-03-01 07:48:55 PM  
 
2014-03-01 07:49:48 PM  

IronTom: oxnard_montalvo: Place your money on the table

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A-10 Warthog?  We are cancelling them all and getting rid of them so EBT users can have more lobster.


It won't get cut, but nice try.  It's on the table because of all the other stuff that needs to get cut.
 
2014-03-01 07:50:38 PM  
One of the most under-reported aspects of this whole thing is the fact that there are Russian troops in Balaklava, WEARING BALACLAVAS. Come on, that is awesome.
 
2014-03-01 07:51:53 PM  
To lord_baull shiat. I'd rather have the guy with the unoriginal comeback line than the guy who was right too.
 
2014-03-01 07:52:24 PM  
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2014-03-01 07:52:35 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: IronTom: oxnard_montalvo: Place your money on the table

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A-10 Warthog?  We are cancelling them all and getting rid of them so EBT users can have more lobster.

It won't get cut, but nice try.  It's on the table because of all the other stuff that needs to get cut.



Last week it was getting cut, today.... probably not so much.
 
2014-03-01 07:52:59 PM  

Keith Dudemeister: One of the most under-reported aspects of this whole thing is the fact that there are Russian troops in Balaklava, WEARING BALACLAVAS. Come on, that is awesome.


Well, they're usually not called balaclavas in the US.
 
2014-03-01 07:53:17 PM  
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2014-03-01 07:53:23 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Ignoring the jab at social services, does the A-10 still serve a purpose today? Legitimate question, I have no idea.


Yes, they give me something to look at in the sky other than blue. Besides, they've been flying overhead multiple times a day, every day, for decades.
What they're doing I don't know but there they are.
 
2014-03-01 07:53:32 PM  
obama needs to be involved...


...to ensure the russian women's curling team is kept safe.


perhaps they should shelter at my home.
 
2014-03-01 07:53:40 PM  

oxnard_montalvo: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: IronTom: oxnard_montalvo: Place your money on the table

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A-10 Warthog?  We are cancelling them all and getting rid of them so EBT users can have more lobster.

It won't get cut, but nice try.  It's on the table because of all the other stuff that needs to get cut.


Last week it was getting cut, today.... probably not so much.


No, it never was.  That's how negotiations work.
 
2014-03-01 07:53:42 PM  

oldernell: They will be welcomed as liberators.


The Ukraine should have kept all the nukes they had from the old Soviet Union.
 
2014-03-01 07:56:37 PM  

Land Ark: texdent: Crimea a river.

Sooo, this thread yesterday when they took over the airports isn't considering that an invasion?



You're saying that the Ukrainians had Russian troops in plane sight yesterday but the Americans kept their troops in Barrack's??? Jumpin' Jiminy Crimea, the U.N. should crest the wave of world outrage and fight tooth and nail to remove this plaque. Un-orthodox actions call for Orthodox plans.

On the other hand, U2 probably think it's a good idea that O-bomb-a didn't russian to anything; sometimes, it never ukRains, but it pours.
 
2014-03-01 07:58:13 PM  
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2014-03-01 07:58:20 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: IronTom:

A-10 Warthog?  We are cancelling them all and getting rid of them so EBT users can have more lobster.

Ignoring the jab at social services, does the A-10 still serve a purpose today? Legitimate question, I have no idea.


It conducts over 30% of all air support missions in Afghanistan/Iraq to date and is the aircraft the troops most like to see rolling in. Was also the most useful aircraft in Desert Storm and has a 95% mission ready rate.

Totally worthless.
 
2014-03-01 07:59:07 PM  

Saturn5: As with the Cuban Missile Crisis, the danger isn't in the US capability, or President Obama's policies and willingness to use force if he deems it necessary.  It's Putin's impression of Obama's and the US's resolve and ability.  Say what you will about having a crazy old man with his finger on the button in the White House, but you don't mess with the crazy.  Crazy will kill you.  Reasonable people trying to reason with unreasonable people are going be as successful as an internet argument.


Two different times, and two different power structures in Europe. The US is no longer a the solitary giant straddling the globe and this particular brawl is between Russia and the European Union. I don't know why so many people are bagging on President Obama; there's really very little aside from Saber rattling, suggestions and threatening trade embargos that he can do. The European Union needs to lead on this one and I think Putin is reacting more because of his impression on what *they* will do, not so much what Obama will do.

I disagree with most, if not all of Obama's domestic policies, but aside from a few mis-steps here and there, I have to say, he's done well on the foriegn policy front.

We do have a vested interest in this, but only so much as America has always had a vested interest in Eastern Europe and the balance of power accross the pond. I'm curious to see Europes reaction now that International Forces have been offered to protect Ukrainian Russians and Putin said no thanks; that's the more telling signal than the fact that Russian troops crossed the border.
 
2014-03-01 07:59:18 PM  

ongbok: jvl: ManateeGag: What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

Difficulty: As a condition for Ukraine giving up its Nukes, the US promised to do something about it.

The Russians wouldn't be invading a nuke-armed Ukraine. This is our fault, so hand-wringing won't cut it.

The Russians will probably try to play this as "the old gov't is legit, so the US should invade the rest of the Ukraine and force them to unify with the legitimate Ukraine."  Motherbearfarkers.

No it didn't. The agreement was that the U.S, UK and Russia would respect its borders and stay out of its business. As far as I know there isn't any provision saying the U.S has to be Captain Save a Hoe, especially when it seems that an area of the country is cozying up to Russia


Then what do we tell all the other non-nuclear signatories of the NPT? Ukraine had the third largest stockpile in the world. Russia would NOT have done this had Ukraine decided to accede as a nuclear power. We promised them autonomy and secure borders in exchange for surrender of their stockpile.

If we back out of that agreement, we're basically telling all the other signatories in the ex bloc that the treaty isn't worth the toilet paper they wipe their asses with. What leg would we have to stand on if other ex-bloc countries decide it's not worth it and backs out of the NPT and starts developing arms to stave off aggression?
 
2014-03-01 07:59:29 PM  

oxnard_montalvo: Place your money on the table

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that fight has already been fought , see the Highway of death  in desert storm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death
 
2014-03-01 07:59:57 PM  
damnit. Russia is an issue. Mitt Romney told you so. but you voted for the other guy. gosh. now we need more bayonets for our horses and binders full of women. what is wrong with you people?
 
2014-03-01 08:00:13 PM  

Gleeman: God-is-a-Taco: IronTom:

A-10 Warthog?  We are cancelling them all and getting rid of them so EBT users can have more lobster.

Ignoring the jab at social services, does the A-10 still serve a purpose today? Legitimate question, I have no idea.

It conducts over 30% of all air support missions in Afghanistan/Iraq to date and is the aircraft the troops most like to see rolling in. Was also the most useful aircraft in Desert Storm and has a 95% mission ready rate.

Totally worthless.


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