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2014-03-01 07:04:57 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: We need to stay as far away from this as possible. Let Russia and the Ukraine have it out, keep it from spreading, and do nothing else. This is straight from the Bad Old Days, and I for one don't really want to get nuked. Except for Philadelphia, they're fair game.


Oh f*ck that. If Russia were to nuke us in retaliation for taking part in a UN defense of a sovereign state, we would end all life in Russia post haste. We could point over 400 nuclear devices at them within a moment's notice.
 
2014-03-01 07:05:25 PM

dukeblue219: The Crimean Tartars Tatars


FTFM.
 
2014-03-01 07:06:29 PM

jchuffyman: PunGent: jchuffyman: Once again, do not call the country "the Ukraine" unless you are actually pro-Russian in all of this

I'll try, but if I slip, it's not because I'm pro-Russian here.  "The Ukraine" just sounds normal, like "the United States".

Alright, if you think "The America" sounds normal


To clarify, standard English practice is to only have the article "the" in the name of a country when it starts with an adjective or a noun that is not the actual name of the country. The Russian Federation versus Russia. The People's Republic of China versus China. Notable exceptions include The Netherlands (which is mostly historical), but beyond that, it is very rare when referring to an independent country by name
 
2014-03-01 07:06:52 PM

Marcus Aurelius: This will end very quietly with the partition of the Ukraine.


Most likely.

I wonder what name the Eastern Ukraine will pick for itself....Russo-Crimea?
 
2014-03-01 07:07:17 PM
You couldn't pay me enough to be president. Not that anyone is exactly clamoring for that...
 
2014-03-01 07:07:22 PM
This will be Obama's Benghazi.
 
2014-03-01 07:07:29 PM

Agent Nick Fury: Nabb1: Lord_Baull: Nabb1: Lord_Baull: Hobodeluxe: ksdanj: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

Yes, please elaborate Nabb1...

I'm going to guess he wants exactly the opposite of whatever Obama does.

they're reactionary. they don't take positions before Obama does.


Nabb1: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

I don't know, yet. Did you expect the speech to work?


Lolz. "I don't know what Obama should do, I'm just against everything he's done so far."

That's what you got out of that? Man, you guys are too sensitive about that guy.

Numerous calls for you to explain post. No response. I'm open ears.

I was eating dinner with my wife and kids. Do you really expect me to drop that to meet your demand for me to explain myself? Who the f*ck do you think you are? You think you're so goddamned special that you DEMAND an explanation for every little sarcastic remark that offends your delicate political sensibilities and then feign indignation because they don't immediately drop everything and cater to your whims? Here's my explanation: get over yourself.

Yes, yes they do expect an immediate answer.

This is their life - the people on here are their society.

They have nothing else.

And eating dinner? - Doesn't Mom just bring the mac and cheese down to you?


Sometimes. Tonight we ordered Chinese.
 
2014-03-01 07:07:57 PM

MisterLoki: You couldn't pay me enough to be president. Not that anyone is exactly clamoring for that...


You and me both.
 
2014-03-01 07:08:08 PM
The Crimea was historically not a part of Ukraine. This is a recent development (1954) and disputed. Ask yourself what business is it of ours (the US) that a Russian state is protecting ethnic Russians in a traditionally Russian territory. Russia has the Black Sea Fleet based in Crimea.

I was in Ukraine when the USSR fell apart. Hungarian flags were being hoisted in the Hungarian majority areas in the west. The former USSR is a polyglot of peoples and loyalties and Ukraine is no exception.
 
2014-03-01 07:08:20 PM
ManateeGag [TotalFark]

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?


I want a commander in chief who attends national security briefings*. That too much to ask?


* especially in "delicate times".
 
2014-03-01 07:08:39 PM

100 Watt Walrus: It's complicated.

Ukrainian presidential election, 2010
[i.imgur.com image 850x478]


If cooler heads may prevail, cutting the country in half seems like a very sensible choice. Won't everyone be happy then? Or is the west the major economic producer, and therefore a target for Russia to maintain control over?
 
2014-03-01 07:08:48 PM

Nabb1: Lord_Baull: Nabb1: Lord_Baull: Hobodeluxe: ksdanj: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

Yes, please elaborate Nabb1...

I'm going to guess he wants exactly the opposite of whatever Obama does.

they're reactionary. they don't take positions before Obama does.


Nabb1: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

I don't know, yet. Did you expect the speech to work?


Lolz. "I don't know what Obama should do, I'm just against everything he's done so far."

That's what you got out of that? Man, you guys are too sensitive about that guy.

Numerous calls for you to explain post. No response. I'm open ears.

I was eating dinner with my wife and kids. Do you really expect me to drop that to meet your demand for me to explain myself? Who the f*ck do you think you are? You think you're so goddamned special that you DEMAND an explanation for every little sarcastic remark that offends your delicate political sensibilities and then feign indignation because they don't immediately drop everything and cater to your whims? Here's my explanation: get over yourself.



I fail to see where anyone demanded anything. But man, you sure got your panties waddified, didn't you. Rowl, kitten!
 
2014-03-01 07:09:03 PM
I wonder how Poland is feeling right about now.
 
2014-03-01 07:09:17 PM

sleeps in trees: Can I just say this was probably the most balanced comment I've read all day.  The US has enough on it's plate.  Let someone on the other side of the pond deal with it.  If it really is offensive, sanctions would be in order.  Stop being the world police and look after your own country.  We need a strong, united US that does not have its politicians willing to let it burn to make a point.


If it's really that big of a problem, the rest of Europe should be able to handle it just fine. Why can't we just be the big guy standing in the back of the room? Even the Ukrainians aren't resisting this yet -- why in the world should the US be deploying troops to the region unless it's just to pick a fight?

If it's about Russian expansion to their former subjects, let the Poles, Czechs, Ukrainians, and hell maybe even the Finns be the first line of defense here. If the Russians are threatening all of Europe I'm pretty sure the British, French, and German armies can still put up a fight. The US cannot be the ones leading the charge here. And I'm not exactly a pacifist by any means.
 
2014-03-01 07:09:40 PM

LordJiro: You mean like the mostly-Russian populace of Crimea asked them to?

And really, you're surprised that the Russians want to make sure they don't lose their main port on the Black Sea?

I'm no fan of Pooty-Poot, but this is not nearly as big an issue as people are whining about.


Pretty much this. People demanding that we rush in to liberate the Ukraine completely over-estimate the amount of leverage we have in that region.

/this is really the EU's tangle to try to figure out
//which makes me even less optimistic
 
2014-03-01 07:09:55 PM

Krymson Tyde: MisterLoki: You couldn't pay me enough to be president. Not that anyone is exactly clamoring for that...

You and me both.


This is one time I don't envy the guy. No one wants to get in an armed conflict with Russia over this, at least not me. Ukraine will press the US to act under its treaty obligations. Good luck with that one.
 
2014-03-01 07:10:21 PM

jchuffyman: jchuffyman: PunGent: jchuffyman: Once again, do not call the country "the Ukraine" unless you are actually pro-Russian in all of this

I'll try, but if I slip, it's not because I'm pro-Russian here.  "The Ukraine" just sounds normal, like "the United States".

Alright, if you think "The America" sounds normal

To clarify, standard English practice is to only have the article "the" in the name of a country when it starts with an adjective or a noun that is not the actual name of the country. The Russian Federation versus Russia. The People's Republic of China versus China. Notable exceptions include The Netherlands (which is mostly historical), but beyond that, it is very rare when referring to an independent country by name


I've heard "The Sudan"....but now it's in two pieces so it's Sudan and South Sudan.
 
2014-03-01 07:10:38 PM

Tommy Moo: 100 Watt Walrus: It's complicated.

Ukrainian presidential election, 2010
[i.imgur.com image 850x478]

If cooler heads may prevail, cutting the country in half seems like a very sensible choice. Won't everyone be happy then? Or is the west the major economic producer, and therefore a target for Russia to maintain control over?


I agree - it's worked so well in Korea it should be the go to move in times like this.
 
2014-03-01 07:10:42 PM
figured this would happen if Czar Putin wants the Crimea he gets the Crimea and the Russian parliament is a rubber stamp.


Things could get real messy.

That said in terms of military equip and tech the Russians are way behind the west save perhaps in fighter jets but even there i think they are in large out classed.

Putin most likely is hoping to avoid  a shooting war with any one besides Ukraine who he knows he can best, NATO he knows is another matter and the Russian Navy is a joke compared to the US and other than in subs it always was.

If it came to war and assuming it stayed on nuclear and China stayed out and Best Korea did not try any shenanigans NATO would likely drive the Russians out of the Ukraine it would be bloody on both sides.

As for Putin wanting to protect  those ethnic Russians in Ukraine if they want to be Russian so much let Putin relocate them back to Russia seeing as they were sent from Russia  in the first place.

For bonus points kick the Russians out of the black sea base and lease it to the US and watch Putin lose his shiat.
 
2014-03-01 07:11:13 PM

volodya: The Crimea was historically not a part of Ukraine. This is a recent development (1954) and disputed. Ask yourself what business is it of ours (the US) that a Russian state is protecting ethnic Russians in a traditionally Russian territory. Russia has the Black Sea Fleet based in Crimea.

I was in Ukraine when the USSR fell apart. Hungarian flags were being hoisted in the Hungarian majority areas in the west. The former USSR is a polyglot of peoples and loyalties and Ukraine is no exception.


Despite all my grammar spamming of these threads, I agree. The Crimea is a strange case, and it maybe should be Russian. The question remains whether Russia will respect the rights of the rest of Ukraine or not, however.
 
2014-03-01 07:11:51 PM
Don't you get it? We have to kill. As a nation, we simply must murder. NOBAMA should stop flip-flopping and  press the button already.ICBMs should be hurtling through the sky.  Our children should bathe in the searing rays of radiation as their skin peels and their faces melt and they die in fire or slowly over a few days. Millions upon millions must die horribly and the world must be reduced to ashes. When will SLOWBAMA act??? Why must we continue to live and breath normally? WHY OSAMA BIN BONGO? WHHHYYY??
 
2014-03-01 07:12:15 PM

Bonzo_1116: jchuffyman: jchuffyman: PunGent: jchuffyman: Once again, do not call the country "the Ukraine" unless you are actually pro-Russian in all of this

I'll try, but if I slip, it's not because I'm pro-Russian here.  "The Ukraine" just sounds normal, like "the United States".

Alright, if you think "The America" sounds normal

To clarify, standard English practice is to only have the article "the" in the name of a country when it starts with an adjective or a noun that is not the actual name of the country. The Russian Federation versus Russia. The People's Republic of China versus China. Notable exceptions include The Netherlands (which is mostly historical), but beyond that, it is very rare when referring to an independent country by name

I've heard "The Sudan"....but now it's in two pieces so it's Sudan and South Sudan.


Yeah, me too. I bet you could find some sort of regional basis for that as well
 
2014-03-01 07:12:25 PM
Obama knows his options, and his options are crap. Putin was bound to go in if his puppet government fell.  Obama and the Joint Chiefs have known it for months. The DOD war plans for this exact eventuality were probably written up 20 years ago.

Our options suck. The nearest NATO ground forces are close to 1000 miles away from the Crimea. The Russians are marching distance.  We cannot stop him from taking eastern Ukraine.  We'd could hit him with air power, but then he'd just invade the rest of the country.  We'd eventually have to push him out at tremendous expense of lives and resources.

There is nothing President Obama, a President McCain, or a President Romney could, or would do.  Ukraine had a chance to join the EU, maybe NATO.  They voted in the wrong asshole.  It's mostly their own damn fault.

Long term though, it's not all bad. Western Ukraine will be fast tracked for EU and NATO membership. Russia will suffer harsh sanctions. Europe will accelerate their moves to wean themselves off Russian gas and oil. Russia makes almost all their money from petro dollars, this will be devastating to Russia's long-term economic prospects.

Looking back a decade from now, this will be seen as a very shortsighted move by Putin. He'll have lost a lot more than he gained.
 
2014-03-01 07:12:33 PM
I can almost see the phone call.....

Obama: You are violating international law. Pull back to your bases.
Putin (hand over phone): Advance the attack!
 
2014-03-01 07:12:36 PM

Tommy Moo: If cooler heads may prevail, cutting the country in half seems like a very sensible choice. Won't everyone be happy then? Or is the west the major economic producer, and therefore a target for Russia to maintain control over?


No, it's the other way around from the information I've seen -- the western (pro-EU, if you will) portions won't want to give up the wealthier eastern part of the country for nothing.

I know energy has been discussed as well, but even though the major European gas pipelines traverse Ukraine, they originate in Russia anyway, so I the Russians already have enough control over that. Not sure why they'd need to control more of the pipeline.
 
2014-03-01 07:13:16 PM
It'll end up okay, it's not like we are actually going to do anything about it.
 
2014-03-01 07:13:24 PM

jchuffyman: Bonzo_1116: jchuffyman: jchuffyman: PunGent: jchuffyman: Once again, do not call the country "the Ukraine" unless you are actually pro-Russian in all of this

I'll try, but if I slip, it's not because I'm pro-Russian here.  "The Ukraine" just sounds normal, like "the United States".

Alright, if you think "The America" sounds normal

To clarify, standard English practice is to only have the article "the" in the name of a country when it starts with an adjective or a noun that is not the actual name of the country. The Russian Federation versus Russia. The People's Republic of China versus China. Notable exceptions include The Netherlands (which is mostly historical), but beyond that, it is very rare when referring to an independent country by name

I've heard "The Sudan"....but now it's in two pieces so it's Sudan and South Sudan.

Yeah, me too. I bet you could find some sort of regional basis for that as well


The Gambia
 
2014-03-01 07:13:44 PM
Paging spawn73, spawn73...

Cleanup on aisle 73, reality is all over the place.
 
2014-03-01 07:13:45 PM

grimlock1972: figured this would happen if Czar Putin wants the Crimea he gets the Crimea and the Russian parliament is a rubber stamp.


Things could get real messy.

That said in terms of military equip and tech the Russians are way behind the west save perhaps in fighter jets but even there i think they are in large out classed.

Putin most likely is hoping to avoid  a shooting war with any one besides Ukraine who he knows he can best, NATO he knows is another matter and the Russian Navy is a joke compared to the US and other than in subs it always was.

If it came to war and assuming it stayed on nuclear and China stayed out and Best Korea did not try any shenanigans NATO would likely drive the Russians out of the Ukraine it would be bloody on both sides.

As for Putin wanting to protect  those ethnic Russians in Ukraine if they want to be Russian so much let Putin relocate them back to Russia seeing as they were sent from Russia  in the first place.

For bonus points kick the Russians out of the black sea base and lease it to the US and watch Putin lose his shiat.


Crimea, until the 50s, was Russian, not Ukrainian. And, until '91, it was still under Russian control as part of the USSR.

They weren't 'sent' from Russia. They were BORN there, the land just changed hands.
 
2014-03-01 07:13:56 PM
Meanwhile

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2014-03-01 07:14:59 PM
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2014-03-01 07:16:08 PM

johnny_vegas: Meanwhile

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Jebus, what won't people stuff in their maws?
 
2014-03-01 07:16:24 PM

jchuffyman: I've heard "The Sudan"....but now it's in two pieces so it's Sudan and South Sudan.

Yeah, me too. I bet you could find some sort of regional basis for that as well


Wikipedia comes through with the infos


The Sudan is the name given to a geographic region to the south of the Sahara, stretching from Western to eastern Central Africa. The name derives from the Arabic bilād as-sūdān ( ) or "land of the Blacks" (an expression denoting West and Northern-Central Africa[1]). The phrase "The Sudan" is also used to refer specifically to the modern-day country of Sudan, the western part of which forms part of the larger region, and from which South Sudan gained its independence in 2011.
 
2014-03-01 07:18:22 PM

Bonzo_1116: jchuffyman: I've heard "The Sudan"....but now it's in two pieces so it's Sudan and South Sudan.

Yeah, me too. I bet you could find some sort of regional basis for that as well

Wikipedia comes through with the infos


The Sudan is the name given to a geographic region to the south of the Sahara, stretching from Western to eastern Central Africa. The name derives from the Arabic bilād as-sūdān ( ) or "land of the Blacks" (an expression denoting West and Northern-Central Africa[1]). The phrase "The Sudan" is also used to refer specifically to the modern-day country of Sudan, the western part of which forms part of the larger region, and from which South Sudan gained its independence in 2011.


You know, like The Iraq and such as.
 
2014-03-01 07:18:58 PM

bobothemagnificent:


Haha yep. The enemy actually escalates DURING a call from the President warning them to stand down.

NOW you're a biatch.
 
2014-03-01 07:19:32 PM

AlgertMan: abiigdog: Putey doesn't give 2 farks about obamas warning, russians never fear strongly worded letters.

That's because most can't read.


Yeah. Maybe Obama didn't use enough of those crazy backward Rs.
 
2014-03-01 07:20:05 PM

cchris_39: bobothemagnificent:

Haha yep. The enemy actually escalates DURING a call from the President warning them to stand down.

NOW you're a biatch.


You sound happy about this.
 
2014-03-01 07:22:16 PM

LordJiro: Crimea, until the 50s, was Russian, not Ukrainian. And, until '91, it was still under Russian control as part of the USSR.



It was part of the Russian Empire since the 18th century, sure, but not strictly "Russian" ethnically. Until the 1900's the ethnic Russians were a minority in Crimea. The Soviets either killed or deported everyone else in the 1920's-1940's and then the land was given to Ukraine in 1954.
 
2014-03-01 07:22:59 PM

Keith Dudemeister: cchris_39: bobothemagnificent:

Haha yep. The enemy actually escalates DURING a call from the President warning them to stand down.

NOW you're a biatch.

You sound happy about this.


They get to portray Obama as 'weak', make their fascist, corrupt, homophobic, oligarch-loving buddy Putin look like a badass, and pretend they know more about foreign policy than the Commander-in-chief of the US military and all of his advisors.

Of course they're happy.
 
2014-03-01 07:24:18 PM
Yeah, in the wake of the GWBush/Cheney disgrace, I'm not really in a mood to call out anyone on where their tank commanders sleep at night.

Just try not to massacre any women and children, Mr. Putin. Looks bad on the resume'.
 
2014-03-01 07:24:24 PM

volodya: The Crimea was historically not a part of Ukraine. This is a recent development (1954) and disputed. Ask yourself what business is it of ours (the US) that a Russian state is protecting ethnic Russians in a traditionally Russian territory. Russia has the Black Sea Fleet based in Crimea.


Traditionally as in 'since the Soviet Union, within the lifetime of a large part of the population, patriated large numbers of people there in order to confirm
their dominance while deporting the locals to labour camps'? Crimea is traditionally Crimean not Russian. It makes a LOT of sense for it to be an autonomous region but none at all for it to be Russian. Not for Crimea anyway.. it makes sense for Russia.
 
2014-03-01 07:25:36 PM

RandomRandom: Obama knows his options, and his options are crap. Putin was bound to go in if his puppet government fell.  Obama and the Joint Chiefs have known it for months. The DOD war plans for this exact eventuality were probably written up 20 years ago.

Our options suck. The nearest NATO ground forces are close to 1000 miles away from the Crimea. The Russians are marching distance.  We cannot stop him from taking eastern Ukraine.  We'd could hit him with air power, but then he'd just invade the rest of the country.  We'd eventually have to push him out at tremendous expense of lives and resources.

There is nothing President Obama, a President McCain, or a President Romney could, or would do.  Ukraine had a chance to join the EU, maybe NATO.  They voted in the wrong asshole.  It's mostly their own damn fault.

Long term though, it's not all bad. Western Ukraine will be fast tracked for EU and NATO membership. Russia will suffer harsh sanctions. Europe will accelerate their moves to wean themselves off Russian gas and oil. Russia makes almost all their money from petro dollars, this will be devastating to Russia's long-term economic prospects.

Looking back a decade from now, this will be seen as a very shortsighted move by Putin. He'll have lost a lot more than he gained.


I think the last part of this post is especially true.  Few wingers are recognizing how weak Putin is right now.  Russia is nearly a backwater (again), and it's only their natural resources keeping them in the game.  Western Europe finding other fuel sources or turning away in any way is a big risk for them.
 
2014-03-01 07:26:09 PM

LordJiro: Keith Dudemeister: cchris_39: bobothemagnificent:

Haha yep. The enemy actually escalates DURING a call from the President warning them to stand down.

NOW you're a biatch.

You sound happy about this.

They get to portray Obama as 'weak', make their fascist, corrupt, homophobic, oligarch-loving buddy Putin look like a badass, and pretend they know more about foreign policy than the Commander-in-chief of the US military and all of his advisors.

Of course they're happy.


Republicans: expecting diplomatic calls to accomplish immediate results, but invade countries rather than try diplomacy.
 
2014-03-01 07:27:19 PM

Lord_Baull: Nabb1: Lord_Baull: Nabb1: Lord_Baull: Hobodeluxe: ksdanj: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

Yes, please elaborate Nabb1...

I'm going to guess he wants exactly the opposite of whatever Obama does.

they're reactionary. they don't take positions before Obama does.


Nabb1: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

I don't know, yet. Did you expect the speech to work?


Lolz. "I don't know what Obama should do, I'm just against everything he's done so far."

That's what you got out of that? Man, you guys are too sensitive about that guy.

Numerous calls for you to explain post. No response. I'm open ears.

I was eating dinner with my wife and kids. Do you really expect me to drop that to meet your demand for me to explain myself? Who the f*ck do you think you are? You think you're so goddamned special that you DEMAND an explanation for every little sarcastic remark that offends your delicate political sensibilities and then feign indignation because they don't immediately drop everything and cater to your whims? Here's my explanation: get over yourself.


I fail to see where anyone demanded anything. But man, you sure got your panties waddified, didn't you. Rowl, kitten!


This is funny, it is like nabb threadshiat and splashed all over himself.
 
2014-03-01 07:27:53 PM
The only thing surprising to me so far is how surprised some people are by Russian troops in the Crimea in this interregnum or that western influence in any way would change that.  The willingness some folks have to start a war or seemingly a desire to see one develop from this is irrational.  I don't even think we're going to see an annexing of Crimea but quite likely a very strong camp and voice for this region in the coming dialogues on the Ukraine's future.
 
2014-03-01 07:27:53 PM

Bonzo_1116: jchuffyman: I've heard "The Sudan"....but now it's in two pieces so it's Sudan and South Sudan.

Yeah, me too. I bet you could find some sort of regional basis for that as well

Wikipedia comes through with the infos


The Sudan is the name given to a geographic region to the south of the Sahara, stretching from Western to eastern Central Africa. The name derives from the Arabic bilād as-sūdān ( ) or "land of the Blacks" (an expression denoting West and Northern-Central Africa[1]). The phrase "The Sudan" is also used to refer specifically to the modern-day country of Sudan, the western part of which forms part of the larger region, and from which South Sudan gained its independence in 2011.


Nice, Thanks! I really have no idea why I've been on a grammar crusade in all of these threads, but as an American currently living in Russia (soon leaving), I have heard so much bullshiat on this matter. And some of it boils down to the grammar of the Russian language. There is seriously a difference in prepositions if you are pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian.
 
2014-03-01 07:28:19 PM

Lord_Baull: LordJiro: Keith Dudemeister: cchris_39: bobothemagnificent:

Haha yep. The enemy actually escalates DURING a call from the President warning them to stand down.

NOW you're a biatch.

You sound happy about this.

They get to portray Obama as 'weak', make their fascist, corrupt, homophobic, oligarch-loving buddy Putin look like a badass, and pretend they know more about foreign policy than the Commander-in-chief of the US military and all of his advisors.

Of course they're happy.

Republicans: expecting diplomatic calls to accomplish immediate results, but invade countries rather than try diplomacy.


Hey, they need SOME excuse to keep paying their defense contractor buddies billions for shiat the military doesn't want.
 
2014-03-01 07:28:55 PM

ksdanj: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

Yes, please elaborate Nabb1...


I want them to send a letter that says they are very cross... very cross INDEED!
 
2014-03-01 07:29:05 PM

Lord_Baull: Nabb1: Lord_Baull: Nabb1: Lord_Baull: Hobodeluxe: ksdanj: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

Yes, please elaborate Nabb1...

I'm going to guess he wants exactly the opposite of whatever Obama does.

they're reactionary. they don't take positions before Obama does.


Nabb1: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

I don't know, yet. Did you expect the speech to work?


Lolz. "I don't know what Obama should do, I'm just against everything he's done so far."

That's what you got out of that? Man, you guys are too sensitive about that guy.

Numerous calls for you to explain post. No response. I'm open ears.

I was eating dinner with my wife and kids. Do you really expect me to drop that to meet your demand for me to explain myself? Who the f*ck do you think you are? You think you're so goddamned special that you DEMAND an explanation for every little sarcastic remark that offends your delicate political sensibilities and then feign indignation because they don't immediately drop everything and cater to your whims? Here's my explanation: get over yourself.


I fail to see where anyone demanded anything. But man, you sure got your panties waddified, didn't you. Rowl, kitten!



It's that strange irritable time between eating a large Chinese dinner, and having to go take a massive dump.  About thirty minutes.
 
2014-03-01 07:29:23 PM

AngryDragon: Agent Smiths Laugh: Nope, and it'll be the women who suffer the most. As usual.

There will be international outrage over all the rape and murder that will ensue.

And not a damn thing will change or be done about it.

If this is your biggest concern in this particular scenario, you may want to widen your blinders just a tad.


It's a legitimate concern. Just because it's never been your radar doesn't negate that.
 
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