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2014-03-01 06:11:10 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: MechaPyx: Eh, it's in their backyard and they have a huge naval base there. I'd be surprised if they didn't move troops in. We'd do the same thing in that situation.

Would we? Would we really invade Cuba?

One of these things is not like the other.


Cuba wasn't part of the United States for centuries, then part of a separate country for only a couple of decades. Cuba doesn't identify as mostly American. Cuba probably wouldn't ask for American military intervention.
 
2014-03-01 06:11:20 PM  
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2014-03-01 06:11:22 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Nope, and it'll be the women who suffer the most. As usual.

There will be international outrage over all the rape and murder that will ensue.

And not a damn thing will change or be done about it.


Tumblr will care.
 
2014-03-01 06:11:39 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: We need to stay as far away from this as possible. Let Russia and the Ukraine have it out, keep it from spreading, and do nothing else. This is straight from the Bad Old Days, and I for one don't really want to get nuked. Except for Philadelphia, they're fair game.


HEY! Do you know how much that would screw up my commute when I have to go to NYC??
 
2014-03-01 06:12:18 PM  
I don't know if they're going to bother with the rest of the Ukraine, but I know they aren't going to be giving up their naval and air assets in the Black Sea fleet. Not without a fight, and they have more military might than the Ukraine does, especially if it's in turmoil right now.

What are the Europeans going to do about it? They should certainly make sure Putin doesn't pull another Georgia, but I don't know if they really want to escalate militarily and risk global or regional war. But they certainly shouldn't just stand by and watch poor Ukraine get stomped on. Maybe they support Ukraine's military with European forces in the rest of the country while staying out of Crimea and offering Putin a bit of a diplomatic olive branch in the meantime. Like, "Hey, we understand this mess has you nervous about your bases in Crimea. We know they're very important to you, so how about you keep peace there, we keep peace here - just until the Ukrainians get their shiat together with their new government and reaffirm their commitment to you in regard to their bases there. Then once everything's settled we all pull our forces out, deal?"
 
2014-03-01 06:12:38 PM  
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com

This business will get out of control. It will get out of control, and we will be lucky to live through it.
 
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2014-03-01 06:13:20 PM  
Ha!  A slight disturbance in the force, as if a dozen or so voices cried out and were silenced.

And now it is as if it had never happened...
 
2014-03-01 06:13:23 PM  

Hobodeluxe: ksdanj: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

Yes, please elaborate Nabb1...

I'm going to guess he wants exactly the opposite of whatever Obama does.

they're reactionary. they don't take positions before Obama does.



Nabb1: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

I don't know, yet. Did you expect the speech to work?



Lolz. "I don't know what Obama should do, I'm just against everything he's done so far."
 
2014-03-01 06:13:28 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Nope, and it'll be the women who suffer the most. As usual.

There will be international outrage over all the rape and murder that will ensue.

And not a damn thing will change or be done about it.


Really, that's what you're going with?  I guess dead men don't suffer.
 
2014-03-01 06:13:37 PM  

ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?


We have a treaty obligation to help the Ukraine protect their border.  I personally don't want us involved in another war, but if we don't do something our international standing will be turned to shiat (more than it is now).

We could start by immediately declaring an embargo on all business with Russia.  If we can get the other NATO members involved, it might actually get Putin's attention.  What to do next, I don't know.  But I'm a system administrator, not a diplomat who is supposed to know what to do.  I do know, however, that doing nothing is not going to help.
 
2014-03-01 06:13:46 PM  

rkiller1: Boojum2k: willfullyobscure: The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia"

Ukraine is in Europe.

Fun fact: the Ural mountains, which are west EAST of (The) Ukraine, divide Europe and Asia.
One of the few things I recall from sixth grade.


Look at a map.
 
2014-03-01 06:14:32 PM  
 
2014-03-01 06:14:36 PM  

Cataholic: I suspect a sternly-worded letter with strenuous objections is on its way.


Not a whole lot America can do about this, unless we want to fight a war with Russia (and we don't since both sides still have enough nukes to make MAD a thing).
 
2014-03-01 06:14:36 PM  

Livinglush: Finally time to kick some ruskies.


When is your flight? You certainly wouldn't suggest getting into a fight without being willing to be one of the first casualties, *right*?
 
2014-03-01 06:14:36 PM  
www.epiccarnage.com

RIP Your Crane
Too early?
 
2014-03-01 06:15:10 PM  

rkiller1: This won't end well?  Frankly, it will end just fine.  Russia will take what it wants or doesn't want and the rest of the world will spout tough words for a few days but ultimately do nothing.

And ImOKwithThis.jpg


The one thing I'm wondering about is this.  Ukraine apparently controls Crimea's access to power, water, and most of its food (88 percent of its energy and 75 percent of its food come from the mainland).  What's to stop Ukraine from just shutting off the lights to Crimea and then Putin using that as an excuse to go into Ukraine, too?  Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I don't know that this is a situation that will just resolve itself itself nicely.
 
2014-03-01 06:15:38 PM  
Finally. A crisis worthy of establishing common ground between Gen Xers and Millennials. I'm going to go out tonight and comfort a 22-year-old smoking hot blond with my Cold War stories of survival.
 
2014-03-01 06:15:55 PM  
The GOP has wasted no time painting this as Obama's fault:

The ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee, said Obama must "lead a meaningful, unified response" to the crisis, something he has thus far failed to do.  "The Russian government has felt free to intervene militarily in Ukraine because the United States," Corker said in a statement, "along with Europe, has failed to make clear there would be serious, potentially irreparable consequences to such action."
 
2014-03-01 06:16:12 PM  

OgreMagi: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

We have a treaty obligation to help the Ukraine protect their border.  I personally don't want us involved in another war, but if we don't do something our international standing will be turned to shiat (more than it is now).

We could start by immediately declaring an embargo on all business with Russia.  If we can get the other NATO members involved, it might actually get Putin's attention.  What to do next, I don't know.  But I'm a system administrator, not a diplomat who is supposed to know what to do.  I do know, however, that doing nothing is not going to help.


Wait, what? We have a treaty with them? They're in NATO?
 
2014-03-01 06:19:49 PM  

rkiller1: Fun fact: the Ural mountains, which are west of (The) Ukraine, divide Europe and Asia.One of the few things I recall from sixth grade.


Go back to 6th grade. They are in fact East of Ukraine.
http://www.freeworldmaps.net/europe/index.html
http://www.freeworldmaps.net/russia/ural-mountains/map.html

They run roughly north-south through Russia, ending south in Kazakhstan.
 
2014-03-01 06:21:57 PM  

stratagos: We have a treaty with them?


Yes. From 1996, in order to convince them to eliminate their Soviet-era nuclear weapons.

stratagos: They're in NATO?


No. Not all U.S. treaties are through NATO.
 
2014-03-01 06:22:47 PM  

stratagos: OgreMagi: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

We have a treaty obligation to help the Ukraine protect their border.  I personally don't want us involved in another war, but if we don't do something our international standing will be turned to shiat (more than it is now).

We could start by immediately declaring an embargo on all business with Russia.  If we can get the other NATO members involved, it might actually get Putin's attention.  What to do next, I don't know.  But I'm a system administrator, not a diplomat who is supposed to know what to do.  I do know, however, that doing nothing is not going to help.

Wait, what? We have a treaty with them? They're in NATO?


In 1994 the US and the UK, as part of NATO, signed a treaty with the Ukraine to help them defend their borders.  In exchange, the Ukraine gave up all their nukes.  It seemed like a good idea at the time.  That treaty is still valid.
 
2014-03-01 06:24:10 PM  

OgreMagi: In 1994


Oops, I was off.
 
2014-03-01 06:26:48 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: MechaPyx: Eh, it's in their backyard and they have a huge naval base there. I'd be surprised if they didn't move troops in. We'd do the same thing in that situation.

Would we? Would we really invade Cuba?

One of these things is not like the other.


Considering the unrest in the Ukraine and the strategic importance of their naval base in that area? Them moving troops in to secure it is not surprising.

Cuba is not in the least bit similar. We have a ton of naval bases we can use so losing access to Cuba wouldn't cripple our navy. Russia doesn't have the same options. They need that base a lot more than we need Cuba. And yeah, if we were in a similar situation you're damn right we'd do the same thing.
 
2014-03-01 06:29:40 PM  

MechaPyx: Adolf Oliver Nipples: MechaPyx: Eh, it's in their backyard and they have a huge naval base there. I'd be surprised if they didn't move troops in. We'd do the same thing in that situation.

Would we? Would we really invade Cuba?

One of these things is not like the other.

Considering the unrest in the Ukraine and the strategic importance of their naval base in that area? Them moving troops in to secure it is not surprising.

Cuba is not in the least bit similar. We have a ton of naval bases we can use so losing access to Cuba wouldn't cripple our navy. Russia doesn't have the same options. They need that base a lot more than we need Cuba. And yeah, if we were in a similar situation you're damn right we'd do the same thing.


Why doesn't Russia adopt the Cuba solution? Work out with Ukraine a lease on the Crimean ports. They'd whine as much as Cuba, and get as much response, but it works.
 
2014-03-01 06:31:18 PM  
And the chicken hawk brigade is out in force

This will be good
 
2014-03-01 06:32:10 PM  

Lord_Baull: Hobodeluxe: ksdanj: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

Yes, please elaborate Nabb1...

I'm going to guess he wants exactly the opposite of whatever Obama does.

they're reactionary. they don't take positions before Obama does.


Nabb1: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

I don't know, yet. Did you expect the speech to work?


Lolz. "I don't know what Obama should do, I'm just against everything he's done so far."


That's what you got out of that? Man, you guys are too sensitive about that guy.
 
2014-03-01 06:32:33 PM  
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2014-03-01 06:33:57 PM  
That article read like it was written by a dyslexic Hottentot.  On drugs.
 
2014-03-01 06:34:07 PM  

macross87: Ukraine is Weak!


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2014-03-01 06:34:09 PM  
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2014-03-01 06:34:26 PM  

Nabb1: Lord_Baull: Hobodeluxe: ksdanj: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

Yes, please elaborate Nabb1...

I'm going to guess he wants exactly the opposite of whatever Obama does.

they're reactionary. they don't take positions before Obama does.


Nabb1: ManateeGag: Nabb1: I guess the speech didn't work.

What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?

I don't know, yet. Did you expect the speech to work?


Lolz. "I don't know what Obama should do, I'm just against everything he's done so far."

That's what you got out of that? Man, you guys are too sensitive about that guy.


Numerous calls for you to explain post. No response. I'm open ears.
 
2014-03-01 06:34:33 PM  
The chicken hawk rage on Monday morning is going to be deafening. It'll be be fin reminding them how Putin was their hero just a week ago.
 
2014-03-01 06:36:07 PM  
Nothing leads to sustainable peace like a weak president unwilling to be a force for good in the world.
 
2014-03-01 06:36:21 PM  
Of course, in this, Obama stands alone. Not like has an NFL team of advisors both civilan and military. He's just sorta sitting around that Oval Office watching this go down on CNN, blustering "errr well I don't know what to do! Maybe I should go ask a data-entry monkey on one of those websites, they always know what to do."
 
2014-03-01 06:36:33 PM  

Boojum2k: MechaPyx: Adolf Oliver Nipples: MechaPyx: Eh, it's in their backyard and they have a huge naval base there. I'd be surprised if they didn't move troops in. We'd do the same thing in that situation.

Would we? Would we really invade Cuba?

One of these things is not like the other.

Considering the unrest in the Ukraine and the strategic importance of their naval base in that area? Them moving troops in to secure it is not surprising.

Cuba is not in the least bit similar. We have a ton of naval bases we can use so losing access to Cuba wouldn't cripple our navy. Russia doesn't have the same options. They need that base a lot more than we need Cuba. And yeah, if we were in a similar situation you're damn right we'd do the same thing.

Why doesn't Russia adopt the Cuba solution? Work out with Ukraine a lease on the Crimean ports. They'd whine as much as Cuba, and get as much response, but it works.


I don't know. I'm not Russian. I could see Russia making a case for succession for Crimea and the surrounding area though.
 
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2014-03-01 06:36:58 PM  
They're just setting up for the infrastructure needed for the Russian Olympic victory parade.
 
2014-03-01 06:37:07 PM  

SlothB77: Nothing leads to sustainable peace like a weak president unwilling to be a force for good in the world.


So what should he have done, O Great Armchair General?
 
2014-03-01 06:37:38 PM  
Why do I have a feeling that if Obama announced tomorrow that he was sending troops into Ukraine to help protect its borders that the Republicans would suddenly be the biggest Pacifists on the face of the earth?
 
2014-03-01 06:37:46 PM  
Nothing in the article says that Russia has 'invaded' the Crimea. The news from some time ago that the parliament (lol, rubber stamp) have given putin approval to move troops there is not the same as actually moving troops there. There is hyperbole and then there is this headline..
 
2014-03-01 06:38:02 PM  

StanTheMan: [fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 599x576]


Until the US and Russia eliminate their vast stockpiles of thermonuclear warheads, any tension between the two countries is a great threat to the entire planet. With that said, this action by Russia is really no threat to the US whatsoever.
 
2014-03-01 06:38:07 PM  
Damn it, Russia.
 
2014-03-01 06:38:13 PM  

AngryDragon: Agent Smiths Laugh: Nope, and it'll be the women who suffer the most. As usual.

There will be international outrage over all the rape and murder that will ensue.

And not a damn thing will change or be done about it.

If this is your biggest concern in this particular scenario, you may want to widen your blinders just a tad.


Conversely, it could be said that you've just made an argument for marginalizing the problem.

I wonder how the women in Bosnia would have appreciated your indifference.
 
jvl
2014-03-01 06:38:19 PM  

ManateeGag: What, exactly, do you want the US to do about it?


Difficulty: As a condition for Ukraine giving up its Nukes, the US promised to do something about it.

The Russians wouldn't be invading a nuke-armed Ukraine. This is our fault, so hand-wringing won't cut it.

The Russians will probably try to play this as "the old gov't is legit, so the US should invade the rest of the Ukraine and force them to unify with the legitimate Ukraine."  Motherbearfarkers.
 
2014-03-01 06:39:05 PM  
Chimea has a decent amount of Muslims if I remember right so there's another -5 penalty to the stability/civility roll.
 
2014-03-01 06:39:16 PM  

Pincy: Why do I have a feeling that if Obama announced tomorrow that he was sending troops into Ukraine to help protect its borders that the Republicans would suddenly be the biggest Pacifists on the face of the earth?


'Why is Obama risking World War 3 over people who WANT to join Russia?! On behalf of the MUSLIM Tartars?! IMPEACH!"
 
2014-03-01 06:39:59 PM  

SlothB77: Nothing leads to sustainable peace like a weak president unwilling to be a force for good in the world.


Nothing ensures stability and peace like a superpower nation constantly throwing itself into unrelated conflicts on the other side of the world, where no one is threatening us or our citizens, and ignoring the immediate and long-term financial and political negative effects. If only today, right now, we can show footage of american steel and brawn touching down in a country most people can't find on a map, we could be a better nation forever. Because Murica.
 
2014-03-01 06:41:00 PM  

Boojum2k: OgreMagi: In 1994

Oops, I was off.


Close enough.  Actually, I was wondering if I was the one who got the year wrong.
 
2014-03-01 06:42:02 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: We need to stay as far away from this as possible. Let Russia and the Ukraine have it out, keep it from spreading, and do nothing else. This is straight from the Bad Old Days, and I for one don't really want to get nuked. Except for Philadelphia, they're fair game.


And Detroit.
 
2014-03-01 06:42:06 PM  

LordJiro: Pincy: Why do I have a feeling that if Obama announced tomorrow that he was sending troops into Ukraine to help protect its borders that the Republicans would suddenly be the biggest Pacifists on the face of the earth?

'Why is Obama risking World War 3 over people who WANT to join Russia?! On behalf of the MUSLIM NAZI Tartars?! IMPEACH!"


FOTFY
 
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