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2014-03-01 05:11:15 PM  
9 votes:
Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...
2014-03-01 06:03:01 PM  
7 votes:
OH COME ON! Seriously?!?!? The frigging Nazi salute? There's absolutely 100% no farking way that the folks inventing this group have any confusion about EXACTLY who they're emulating. That is not unintentional.

This is the face of christianity which is souring people on the church. Yes, I am well aware that many believers are as disgusted as I am by the rise of satanic, christianity-twisting, blasphemous evangelicals like this - the folks who hate gays so much they are obsessed about ostracizing them in every way they can get away with. But these folks are the ones who are out there getting the attention for the faith. And they're not just a tiny fringe, this is modern "evangelical christianity" - what a large swath of American christians believe in. They've successfully steered the course of public discourse to the point that they are now the mainstream public view of what christianity stands for in America, and that for some reason our public policies are supposed to kowtow to this vile poison of christian teachings.

I don't believe in the devil, but if I did I'm sure you could rest assured that he'd be quite supportive of their efforts and firmly a member of the evangelical community. There'd be no better way he could steer the faithful away from the teachings of Jesus.
2014-03-01 05:39:19 PM  
7 votes:
Ah, the good ol' Bellamy salute.

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2014-03-01 07:34:23 PM  
5 votes:

Stinkyy: By Brian Fisher


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2014-03-01 06:26:43 PM  
5 votes:
How many days until the followup about rampant molestation?
2014-03-01 05:54:24 PM  
5 votes:

cato113: Do they have no sense of self awareness or am I the real racist for pointing that out?


The caption says they're "moving their arms with the singing of Taps" so I suspect that while it is possible that these folks don't have enough brains to fill a matchbox even without removing the matches first, it is also entirely possible that of any number of photos that were taken that one is the most damning when removed from any context. But that depends on the news media ripping a photo out of context without informing the public. And we all know that would NEVER happen.
2014-03-01 11:42:33 PM  
4 votes:

Stinkyy: lokidecat: Stinkyy: By Brian Fisher
TRUTH # 1
Homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.
Absolutely true. Homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, yet according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual pedophiles are responsible for 33% of all child sex offenses. Homosexuals molest children at at least 10 times the rate of heterosexuals.

Doing some quick math, 67% of all child sex offenses are then made by heterosexual pedophiles.

Hmm. All aboard the failboat.

Reading is fundamental, you do the math, dimwit.  Per homo, that is a LOT more pedophilia.

Which issue of the Journal of Sex Research? What year? Which article, by which researchers? Which page and ¶ therein? Or do you just take Brian Fisher's word for it without any sort of backup?

You see, I strongly suspect (without knowing exactly where to check, I can't say for sure) that what Brian did was read a study which showed how many children, by gender, were molested by molesters of the same and of the opposite gender. Since men are far and away more likely to be child molesters than women are, girls are molested quite a bit more often than boys are, but boys are still molested and often by men. Fisher seems to be just up and deciding that "male adult molester of boys = homosexual," but that's not what the word means.

"Homosexual" and "heterosexual" when talking about adults refer to one's sexual attraction to other adults. Pedophilia is neither homosexual nor heterosexual, but is a paraphilia in its own right. Very often, an adult male who strongly prefers adult women over other adult men will also have pedophilic attractions to young boys over young girls. Such a man would still be a heterosexual, as well as a pedophile, and not a homosexual.

Just to show how much Fisher misunderstands (deliberately?) and twists even basic knowledge:
TRUTH #9
Nobody is born a homosexual.
No researcher has ever even claimed to have discovered the "gay gene."
Mr. Fisher apparently doesn't know what the word "congenital" means. It means "born with it." Now, here's the kicker: not every congenital trait (that one is born with) is genetic! Spina bifida, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS), birth defects resulting from the mother having contracted Rubella aka "German measles," Thalidomide® babies, etc. etc. etc. are all examples of congenital conditions that one is born with and have all their lives, which cannot be cured after the fact, and yet which are not genetic!
And I'm convinced that homosexuals now don't want to find it even if it's there, for fear that advances in pre-natal genetic screening will lead to the systematic abortion of babies who carry the suspect genetic marker. They know what happens to Down syndrome babies in the womb.
Down Syndrome is not genetic in the sense of being inherited. It's a chromosomal replication anomaly, a polysomy, a trisomy in this case: the duplication of Chromosome #23, resulting in three copies instead of two (thus its more official name is Trisomy 23). Down syndrome people don't grow up to produce Down syndrome offspring.
Even if there is some innate disposition toward homosexual behavior, no human being is compelled to yield to every sexual impulse he experiences. You can ask Tiger Woods about that. Homosexual behavior is always, always, a matter of choice.
And here Brian completely (deliberately?) misunderstands the very term "homosexual." When used as a noun or as an adjective referring to a person, it refers to the orientation, meaning the attraction, not the act!

If you are even tempted to have sexual relations with other adults of the same gender, then you are at least bisexual. If you have much more attraction to the same gender than to the opposite gender, you're homosexual. This holds true even if you never, ever actually do anything involving sexual acts with others of the same gender, nor even look at homoerotic porn. You're still a homosexual.
2014-03-01 09:35:00 PM  
4 votes:

COMALite J: Gleeman: Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"
...  Taps has lyrics? First I heard of it and I spent a career in the military.

Yes, it has lyrics.


http://www.west-point.org/taps/Taps.html
There are no official words to the music but here are some of the more popular verses:

Day is done, gone the sun,

From the hills, from the lake,

From the sky.

All is well, safely rest,

God is nigh.


Go to sleep, peaceful sleep,

May the soldier or sailor,

God keep.

On the land or the deep,

Safe in sleep.


Love, good night, Must thou go,

When the day, And the night

Need thee so?

All is well. Speedeth all

To their rest.


Fades the light; And afar

Goeth day, And the stars

Shineth bright,

Fare thee well; Day has gone,

Night is on.


Thanks and praise, For our days,

'Neath the sun, Neath the stars,

'Neath the sky,

As we go, This we know,

God is nigh.


And those are just the more popular clean non-racist non-bigoted versions.
2014-03-01 07:53:02 PM  
4 votes:

Stinkyy: By Brian Fisher
TRUTH # 1
Homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.
Absolutely true. Homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, yet according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual pedophiles are responsible for 33% of all child sex offenses. Homosexuals molest children at at least 10 times the rate of heterosexuals.


Doing some quick math, 67% of all child sex offenses are then made by heterosexual pedophiles.

Hmm. All aboard the failboat.
2014-03-01 06:12:51 PM  
4 votes:
The new Christian Scouts--One Nation under Godwin.
2014-03-01 05:32:27 PM  
4 votes:

cato113: Do they have no sense of self awareness or am I the real racist for pointing that out?


The intelligent ones in the room are quite aware of what they're doing.

/the adults that supervise them, on the other hand....
2014-03-02 09:11:36 AM  
3 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.


I've been in the military my entire adult life, and there is no "hand wave" that you do with Taps.
2014-03-01 08:08:45 PM  
3 votes:
Trail Life = Fail Liter
2014-03-01 06:53:19 PM  
3 votes:

tkil: This might actually be a very good thing: if all the really extreme right-wing types leave BSA, then maybe BSA can become more accepting. Not holding my breath, but anything that can help revert the stranglehold that various christian-ish religions have on the BSA can only be a good thing.


Except that the Trailer Trash exclude Mormons which are a major religious force in the BSA organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_Life_USA
All charters of Trail Life USA must pledge to follow a Trinitarian "Statement of Faith" (which would exclude Mormon Christians, Jehovah's Witness Christians, Jews, etc).

While the BSA requires religion it is less exclusive and allows for example Islam and Buddhism.

I'm sure most members would be fine if it was made "whites only" officially rather effectively.
2014-03-01 06:46:43 PM  
3 votes:
To those saying "they were just singing Taps and the photo was taken out of context": I've done taps in Girl Scouts, 4-H and flag retreat ceremonies, and I've NEVER seen it done with all the participants standing in a circle and at any point holding their arms outstretched at shoulder height. That explanation just sounds fishy to me.
2014-03-01 06:44:02 PM  
3 votes:

hotrod2001: Been a scout for over 20 years, "morally straight" to me always meant being straight with your decisions, your ethics, your morals...not necessarily "straight" orientation.  Churches abandoning scout troops because of this and taking away a place and group that kids, a lot of which don't have a lot of other options other than getting into crime or gangs, to me is more off-moral than being inclusive.


Pretty much this. I'll say this much, although I'm an atheist, my wife is Lutheran, and raises my kids as such. My son has learned so much about being a decent human being from scouting. He's learned a bunch about responsibility and respecting others. He's learned about teamwork and ethics. I can say with complete honesty that I can see these things in his character. He hasn't just been taught these things from scouting, he applies them to his life. He's a great kid.

Church has taught him about the Godhead and about Martin Luther. They've taught them their Lutheran customs, prayers, traditions and ceremonies. They've done nothing to contribute to his character. I'd bet money that this pseudo-christian scouting alternative organization does the same. Instead of applying emphasis on being a decent human being, emphasis will be on blind nationalism and christian dogma. Maybe they'll prove me wrong. I doubt it though.
2014-03-01 06:30:39 PM  
3 votes:
Personally, I like this:
<i>"We grant membership to adults and youth who do not engage in or promote sexual immorality of any kind, or engage in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the program." </i>

So, we'll get to hear lots of stories about teen boys upset over being forced out after popping a cherry after Homecoming or Prom, right?
2014-03-01 06:19:24 PM  
3 votes:
Been a scout for over 20 years, "morally straight" to me always meant being straight with your decisions, your ethics, your morals...not necessarily "straight" orientation.  Churches abandoning scout troops because of this and taking away a place and group that kids, a lot of which don't have a lot of other options other than getting into crime or gangs, to me is more off-moral than being inclusive.
2014-03-01 06:17:46 PM  
3 votes:

leevis: Looks pretty close to the black power salute.


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Oh yeah, totally the same...
2014-03-01 06:16:36 PM  
3 votes:
Their faith is so weak that in order to function on a daily basis they need everything to have a separate group that caters to themselves.
2014-03-01 06:15:07 PM  
3 votes:
www.allmystery.de
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2014-03-01 06:05:28 PM  
3 votes:

Chunks McGunks: I'll never understand how these assholes can assume they know what god wants and still all them Christians.  I think if there is a christian god, he's more complex than "I hate them gays.  If you let them into boyscouts you're evil hurrr."


Not really. He's a whiny brat that throws temper tantrums until he gets what he wants. Have you read the bible?
2014-03-01 05:56:53 PM  
3 votes:
So it will end up being full of closeted gay Republicans?
2014-03-01 05:14:47 PM  
3 votes:
Oh, FFS

/what the heil are they thinking?
2014-03-01 11:43:40 PM  
2 votes:
But the Boy Scouts had decided to admit gays, and Ron Orr, a tall, soft-spoken man with a firm handshake, is clear about his Christian faith and what it says about homosexuality: It is a sin that cannot be tolerated.

I really have trouble understanding their theory.  You can forgive someone for theft, murder, rape, but "OMG, he's gay" is a sin that can't be tolerated?

Leviticus does indicate it's a sin.  Just like eating shrimp, eating bacon, or trimming your beard.  But nobody freaks out about people that shave.  Divorce is a sin, but it's also very common.

Everyone sins.  That's another thing the bible tells us, is that everyone is a sinner, and the Jesus died for our sins.  So why do these people believe that Jesus died for all the *other* sins, but not that particular sin?  Why is that sin a sin that "cannot be tolerated"?

When the US military got rid of "Don't Ask, Don't tell", a lot of their priests said that they couldn't do their job because gays are sinners.  I got a kick out of that.  Do they really think that the non gays in the army are sin-free?  lol.

I'm sure there are some extremely religious folks reading the thread.  I really am interested in why this one particular sin is considered unforgivable, when every other sin gets treated much differently.
2014-03-01 11:19:36 PM  
2 votes:

CanisNoir: They both claimed to follow the Christian relgion so, yea, I would. I believe those that used it to support slavery were misinterpreting the message, but like all other institutions it's nice to see Christianity has grown past that particular hang up. Slavery wasn't limited to Christian areas of the world, so it's kind of wrong to paint the religion as some how being responsible for that institution.


It's almost as if religion is completely useless as any sort of moral guidepost.  Huh.
2014-03-01 10:56:04 PM  
2 votes:

akula: cato113: Do they have no sense of self awareness or am I the real racist for pointing that out?

The caption says they're "moving their arms with the singing of Taps" so I suspect that while it is possible that these folks don't have enough brains to fill a matchbox even without removing the matches first, it is also entirely possible that of any number of photos that were taken that one is the most damning when removed from any context. But that depends on the news media ripping a photo out of context without informing the public. And we all know that would NEVER happen.


I was a heathen Girl Scout counselor at a time when they actively avoided singing any songs with a religious message, to be more inclusive, which was cool.  There were PLENTY of song + movement ditties I learned that summer.  You might look awkward if someone caught you in the middle of the Little Green Frog movements, but I'm racking my brain and can't think of a single movement in any song that could be mistaken for Heil Hitler.

We didn't have any associated movements to Taps, though.  Cause, you know.

It's freaking Taps.
2014-03-01 09:17:10 PM  
2 votes:

Aquapope: Stinkyy: No one is born a homosexual. This is not true, but this is considered a good and natural thing.  But just try pointing out that Everybody is born an Atheist! That will get you a whole lot of nowhere.


Not true. When we are born we are all monotheists. There is an enormous, all-powerful, all-giving incomprehensible Source of Life Itself. It is called "Mama"
2014-03-01 08:47:27 PM  
2 votes:
Every kid in there is gonna get diddled. You watch.
2014-03-01 08:46:40 PM  
2 votes:

NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
(Common paraphrase of a few different things that Sinclair Lewis actually did say:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sinclair_Lewis#Misattributed, see also http://english.illinoisstate.edu/sinclairlewis/ )

And if you don't already have the keywords handy, it's "christian dominionists".  *shudder*
2014-03-01 08:23:25 PM  
2 votes:
Bigot Scouts... fabulous.
2014-03-01 07:59:30 PM  
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: What the f*ck was that? All that....stuff?


Derp Spam.
2014-03-01 07:01:41 PM  
2 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.


I thought that, too - but what are the chances that the kids all had their arms so close to the same position at the same time, if they were all moving them around?
2014-03-01 06:59:39 PM  
2 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.


Taps has lyrics? First I heard of it and I spent a career in the military.

/off to teh Googles
2014-03-01 06:57:56 PM  
2 votes:
"It felt like I'd be hitting something higher than Eagle in terms of achievement," Andrew said, in an interview.

*sigh* You just want to sit him down, put your hand on his shoulder, look him in the eyes and say "Son, none of this will mean jack shiat to you in 5 years."
2014-03-01 06:33:20 PM  
2 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.


The nazi salute was not a fixed arm, it moved from the heart to the extended position.
2014-03-01 06:27:54 PM  
2 votes:

akula:
The caption says they're "moving their arms with the singing of Taps" so I suspect that while it is possible that these folks don't have enough brains to fill a matchbox even without removing the matches first, it is also entirely possible that of any number of photos that were taken that one is the most damning when removed from any context. But that depends on the news media ripping a photo out of context without informing the public. And we all know that would NEVER happen.


Ain't arguing with you there, however, I don't believe that a bunch of kids are moving their arms with the singing of Taps in such precise choreography that when that picture was taken not a single kid had a hand that was a little farther up, down, left, or fight from any other kid.
2014-03-01 06:18:13 PM  
2 votes:

mongbiohazard: OH COME ON! Seriously?!?!? The frigging Nazi salute? There's absolutely 100% no farking way that the folks inventing this group have any confusion about EXACTLY who they're emulating. That is not unintentional.

This is the face of christianity which is souring people on the church. Yes, I am well aware that many believers are as disgusted as I am by the rise of satanic, christianity-twisting, blasphemous evangelicals like this - the folks who hate gays so much they are obsessed about ostracizing them in every way they can get away with. But these folks are the ones who are out there getting the attention for the faith. And they're not just a tiny fringe, this is modern "evangelical christianity" - what a large swath of American christians believe in. They've successfully steered the course of public discourse to the point that they are now the mainstream public view of what christianity stands for in America, and that for some reason our public policies are supposed to kowtow to this vile poison of christian teachings.

I don't believe in the devil, but if I did I'm sure you could rest assured that he'd be quite supportive of their efforts and firmly a member of the evangelical community. There'd be no better way he could steer the faithful away from the teachings of Jesus.


As a Christian I really can't disagree with you. I hate the fact that "Love your neighbor" isn't nearly as important as "no homo." That caring for the poor, the sick, the oppressed is less important than low taxes and being able to legally discriminate against gays. If there is a devil, he's doing a damn fine job of taking Christianity down from the inside.

One of my bucket list goals in life, I've decided, is to get internet ordained and perform a gay wedding. I thought doing so would be difficult in Texas, but as of this week, that might be less tough than I thought.
2014-03-01 06:09:03 PM  
2 votes:

enry: Goddammitsomuch

/Eagle scout


This might actually be a very good thing: if all the really extreme right-wing types leave BSA, then maybe BSA can become more accepting.  Not holding my breath, but anything that can help revert the stranglehold that various christian-ish religions have on the BSA can only be a good thing.

I already had to leave BSA due to my [lack of] religious beliefs; the anti-homosexual stuff was just one more reason to stay away -- and that pisses me off, because I feel that I had some good times and learned some useful lessons through my time in scouting (Eagle in 1990, Nat'l Jamboree 1989, World Jamboree 1991).  I wish my kids could have had some of those same experiences, but I couldn't stomach the necessary hypocrisy.
2014-03-01 05:59:52 PM  
2 votes:
Now this is going to cause a fuhrer.
2014-03-01 05:31:37 PM  
2 votes:

antidisestablishmentarianism: GODWINED


... and dined?
2014-03-01 05:15:42 PM  
2 votes:
Sounds like they're taking their ball and going home.

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2014-03-02 11:02:23 AM  
1 vote:

slotz: AgentKGB: *UPDATE*

They changed the picture in the article. :(

True.


I imagine Trail Life USA finally saw the picture and threw a shiat fit.

At least, thanks to Paris1127, people can see what the original pic looked like.
2014-03-02 07:30:18 AM  
1 vote:

ciberido: The key parts of God forgiving sin are that the sinner repent, which requires that he or she admit that it was a sin, express regret, and promise to (at least try to) eschew that sin in the future. Gays who are out of the closet gaying it up with gay abandon meet none of these criteria. We aren't admitting that it's wrong to be gay, we don't regret our fabulous gay trysts, and we have no intention of ever not being gay.


I eat lobster and shrimp and ham and bacon.  I shave my face.  I don't consider any of those to be sins, I'm not begging forgiveness for doing them, I have no regrets about doing those things.  For those who believe in the bible, though, they'll ignore that part while screaming about how gay sex is unforgivable.

ciberido: It would be as if a convicted murderer


BZZZZ.  No, it wouldn't be anything similar.
2014-03-02 03:05:24 AM  
1 vote:
What? The Royal Rangers weren't Jesus-y enough for these people? How many explicitly Church-based scout clones do these people need?
2014-03-02 01:49:06 AM  
1 vote:

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.


I do not notice any motion blur in that pic at all.

Does anyone else see any motion blur??
2014-03-02 01:39:40 AM  
1 vote:
I have it on good authority the nazis also liked to clap in approval of things and stuff.

if you clap, you're a nazi.
2014-03-02 01:13:55 AM  
1 vote:

rewind2846: bill_01915: Or maybe when the photographer and the editor agree on the pic to lead with that's because it's an accurate representation of what actually happened.

Yeah I agree with that. Sometimes stupid just... is. No explanations or alternative theory needed. If the label says "green beans" then rest assured that there are green beans in the can.


See, there's this.

It's like when the right-wing derposphere ran amok trying to explain Sarah Palin's dingaling story about how Paul Revere rode through Boston ringin' those bells a-warnin' those British not to take our gunz or whatever. Yes, there is a way that her story could have been accurate...but we all know that that was not the explanation she was thinking of when she made that asinine comment.

And here, well, it's entirely possible that there are "arm movements associated with the singing of Taps" but it's MUCH MORE LIKELY that it is exactly what it looks like, because what's the payoff in pretending here? Nobody knows about this Trail Life b/s--why demonize them ahead of time unless they're already demonic?
2014-03-02 12:37:38 AM  
1 vote:

Stinkyy: lokidecat: Stinkyy: By Brian Fisher
TRUTH # 1
Homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.
Absolutely true. Homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, yet according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual pedophiles are responsible for 33% of all child sex offenses. Homosexuals molest children at at least 10 times the rate of heterosexuals.

Doing some quick math, 67% of all child sex offenses are then made by heterosexual pedophiles.

Hmm. All aboard the failboat.

Reading is fundamental, you do the math, dimwit.  Per homo, that is a LOT more pedophilia.


Oh FFS, pedophiles are the threat to children, not homosexuals or heterosexuals.
Pedophiles are a distinct group from either homosexual or heterosexual.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_moles ta tion.html
2014-03-02 12:29:47 AM  
1 vote:
Stinkyy: Wow, looks like the abnormals are out to pene this group just as much as they did the BSA.  Those homos really want to be around our kids.

You really are the cutest little thing.
2014-03-01 11:36:50 PM  
1 vote:

Miss Stein: markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...

Goddam, some funny shiat there.

Yeah, I give them oh, 'bout five years till the first kid fiddlin' class action lawsuit comes around.

/subby


I'd like to place large bet on the under.
2014-03-01 11:25:42 PM  
1 vote:

markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...


Goddam, some funny shiat there.

Yeah, I give them oh, 'bout five years till the first kid fiddlin' class action lawsuit comes around.

/subby
2014-03-01 11:14:04 PM  
1 vote:

evilsofa: "You're the salt of the earth," Buchholz told the boys, quoting Matthew 5:13. "The salt was a preservative. You guys, being the salt of the earth, are a preservative." "If salt loses its saltiness, how is (the Earth) going to be preserved?"

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Umm... isn't salt in soil generally a bad thing?
2014-03-01 10:54:55 PM  
1 vote:
Fine.  Let them leave the Boy Scouts.  But let them know they can NEVER come back into the BSA once they leave.
2014-03-01 10:41:03 PM  
1 vote:

Langston: akula: cato113: Do they have no sense of self awareness or am I the real racist for pointing that out?

The caption says they're "moving their arms with the singing of Taps" so I suspect that while it is possible that these folks don't have enough brains to fill a matchbox even without removing the matches first, it is also entirely possible that of any number of photos that were taken that one is the most damning when removed from any context. But that depends on the news media ripping a photo out of context without informing the public. And we all know that would NEVER happen.

I'm sort of in agreement with you here. Not knowing what the motions were, it really feels like this was taken out of context. Maybe they were throwing the Nazi salute and screaming sieg heil at the top of their lungs. Or maybe they were moving their arms in some other way and the photographer picked this particular photo for no particular reason except it happens to look like they're posing like nazis.

I've got no love for these guys, but honestly, when the photographer and the editor agree on this pic to lead with, it feels like they're trying to demonize them. Feels excessive to me; their philosophy is already wrongheaded and doesn't stand on its own, the rest seems like overkill.


Or maybe when the photographer and the editor agree on the pic to lead with that's because it's an accurate representation of what actually happened.
2014-03-01 10:37:54 PM  
1 vote:
Oh, cool. I get to add more homophobic bigots to my list. I always love threads such as these as the bigots out themselves so willingly and completely.

Guess what, this thread will never forget your bigotry. If you've already outed yourself, be prepared to be reminded of it later, and this thread pointed out for all to see. Or just drop your account and make another.

I'll make sure this thread gets posted elsewhere as an example of ignorance and hate against fellow human beings guised under the banner of Religion.

In the meantime, please proceed.
2014-03-01 09:30:12 PM  
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Gyrfalcon: To those saying "they were just singing Taps and the photo was taken out of context": I've done taps in Girl Scouts, 4-H and flag retreat ceremonies, and I've NEVER seen it done with all the participants standing in a circle and at any point holding their arms outstretched at shoulder height. That explanation just sounds fishy to me.


I have. I only remembered it when I read your comment. But we used both hands. I remember at "gone the sun, from the lake, from the hills, from the sky" we moved our hands progressively upwards.

http://www.gslakemomscoutnotes.com/2012/05/song-day-is-donetaps/
2014-03-01 09:17:43 PM  
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tkil: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
(Common paraphrase of a few different things that Sinclair Lewis actually did say:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sinclair_Lewis#Misattributed, see also http://english.illinoisstate.edu/sinclairlewis/ )

And if you don't already have the keywords handy, it's "christian dominionists".  *shudder*


It will be wrapped in the cross and carrying a flag? That sounds uncomfortable, although more plausible.
2014-03-01 09:09:41 PM  
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Gleeman: Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.

Taps has lyrics? First I heard of it and I spent a career in the military.

/off to teh Googles


Yes, it has lyrics.
rpm
2014-03-01 09:07:11 PM  
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CanisNoir: rpm: CanisNoir: rpm: CanisNoir: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.

Except for those that used religion to support slavery. You'd really call both of those groups the Christian Right?

They both claimed to follow the Christian relgion so, yea, I would. I believe those that used it to support slavery were misinterpreting the message, but like all other institutions it's nice to see Christianity has grown past that particular hang up. Slavery wasn't limited to Christian areas of the world, so it's kind of wrong to paint the religion as some how being responsible for that institution.

They're both Christian, but Christian Right? I don't see it.

And misinterpreting? The bible gives explicit rules for slavery. How is that not condoning? How is that in any way a misinterpretation?

You're right, it can be wrong to paint religion as being responsible for slavery. But for continuing it? It deserves quite a bit of blame there.

No, it doesn't, humanity deserves all the blame for continuing it. Just as humanity latched on to Social Darwinism, we will always find a tool to use to further our aims. I mean, it's not like in the absence of Christianity, slavery would have died out sooner.


Nope, don't agree with you. Religion is used as a socially acceptable excuse for things, sometimes good things, sometime bad things. Let things be judged on their own merits, don't put impediments in the way. I would blame religion for extending the acceptability of slavery, it's used as a salve to the conscience.
2014-03-01 09:01:07 PM  
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shtychkn: So it will end up being full of closeted gay Republicans?


I give it about 10-15 years before the stories of horrendous abuse by the adults start coming out.
rpm
2014-03-01 08:56:53 PM  
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CanisNoir: rpm: CanisNoir: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.

Except for those that used religion to support slavery. You'd really call both of those groups the Christian Right?

They both claimed to follow the Christian relgion so, yea, I would. I believe those that used it to support slavery were misinterpreting the message, but like all other institutions it's nice to see Christianity has grown past that particular hang up. Slavery wasn't limited to Christian areas of the world, so it's kind of wrong to paint the religion as some how being responsible for that institution.


They're both Christian, but Christian Right? I don't see it.

And misinterpreting? The bible gives explicit rules for slavery. How is that not condoning? How is that in any way a misinterpretation?

You're right, it can be wrong to paint religion as being responsible for slavery. But for continuing it? It deserves quite a bit of blame there.
2014-03-01 08:53:01 PM  
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Maybe their hands are just in the air.. waiving them like they just don't care?
2014-03-01 08:51:56 PM  
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CanisNoir: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.


"In 1837, southerners in the Presbyterian denomination joined forces with conservative northerners to drive the antislavery New School Presbyterians out of the denomination. In 1844, the Methodist Episcopal Church split into northern and southern wings over the issue of slavery. In 1845, the Baptists in the South formed the Southern Baptist Convention due to disputes with Northern Baptists over slavery and missions.

Some members of fringe Christian groups like the Christian Identity movement, and the Ku Klux Klan (an organization dedicated to the "empowerment of the white race"), and Aryan Nations still argue that slavery is justified by Christian doctrine today."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_slavery#Opposition_to _ abolitionism

Who's generalizing now?

(Yes, I'm aware that there are some christian denominations and congregations that were against slavery; IIRC, the Quakers were particularly anti-slavery and active in the Underground Railroad.  But using a false generalization to call out someone for generalizing seems poor form.)
rpm
2014-03-01 08:46:59 PM  
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CanisNoir: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.


Except for those that used religion to support slavery. You'd really call both of those groups the Christian Right?
2014-03-01 08:31:09 PM  
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Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.
2014-03-01 08:25:01 PM  
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Stinkyy: No one is born a homosexual. This is not true, but this is considered a good and natural thing.  But just try pointing out that Everybody is born an Atheist! That will get you a whole lot of nowhere.
2014-03-01 08:10:42 PM  
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jonny_q: It looks like they were moving their arms to a song and they were photoed (or a still taken from a video) at the one part of the song that looks like that. So yeah, that's pretty farked up to take something out of context like that.


As has been said before, it would be a neat trick to get pre-pubescent boys to move in perfect unison. I got a 12 year old Scout with my husband when I married, and sat on several Boards of Review. Boys that age are about as coordinated and graceful as monkeys on Red Bull.

I'm glad that his troop didn't push an evangelical, bigoted agenda. He really came out of it a thoughtful, respectful, honest young man who learned some pretty good skills. My only beefs were 1. Expensive to buy all the gear, badges, uniforms, etc. That priced a lot of boys out of participating. Luckily you could donate outgrown uniforms for other kids, but still, pretty pricey to participate fully. 2. One fat bastard Scoutmaster was rude and outright dismissive of me, as a woman. I think it chapped his ass that I wasn't some meek, gem sweater wearing, pudgy housewife, but a woman who asked questions, got shiat done and participated.
2014-03-01 08:00:52 PM  
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Well that was an easy plonking decision.
2014-03-01 07:55:00 PM  
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mongbiohazard: Many years ago I got legally ordained through the back of the Weekly World news and I performed two weddings for friends - albeit straight friends. The process was...... hilariously easy, but just to be on the safe side we had both couples get married by the county clerk's office too, quietly before the weddings. I then did the ceremony as the officiant. It was pretty fun, though also a bit stressful.

CSB: at the reception for the first one I did, the gigantic oak of a man who was their bartender - and Irish catholic - was keeping his eye on me while I was hobnobbing and drinking. Any time he'd see my glass getting low he'd halt the line of people at the bar, then rush out and fill my glass to the brim with a playful sounding, "Here you go father." (I did dress the part, with a collar and all) I was quickly completely blotto. I don't remember the videographer coming around to me, but my friends say he did, and I'm on his video quite blatantly totally and completely shiatfaced saying, "I just... I just... I love these guys... They're like my best friends... I love these guys, man!!" and etc.... I was embarrassed, but they were highly amused. I didn't cause a scene or anything, I'm a curiously self-controlled drunk.


I'm a minister in the Universal Life Church, which is to say I sent in $5.  I have officiated at 3 weddings, but not because I'm a cheap internet minister - in Kansas (of all places) you don't have to be anything to officiate.  You don't even need somebody to officiate, all you have to do is declare you are married (both of you, of course, otherwise I'd be married to Mila Kunis and Scarlett Johansson).  So, in Kansas, two people just have to say "we're married" and fill out the paperwork and that's it.  If they're opposite sex.  And over 13.
 )
2014-03-01 07:36:36 PM  
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This group needs some sort of symbol, say one from the southwest US.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#North_America
2014-03-01 07:27:03 PM  
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img.fark.net
2014-03-01 07:26:49 PM  
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What the f*ck was that? All that....stuff?
2014-03-01 07:19:18 PM  
1 vote:
By Brian Fisher
TRUTH # 1
Homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.
Absolutely true. Homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, yet according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual pedophiles are responsible for 33% of all child sex offenses. Homosexuals molest children at at least 10 times the rate of heterosexuals.
TRUTH # 2
Same-sex parents harm children.
Research indicates that children raised by homosexuals experiment with sexually aberrant behaviors at a higher rate than children raised by heterosexuals and at earlier ages, and do worse, according to a 1996 study by an Austrian sociologist, in nine of 13 academic and social categories compared to children raised by heterosexual married couples.
A 2001 article in American Sociological Review reported that children raised by lesbians are more likely to engage in homosexual behavior and are "more sexually adventurous."
TRUTH # 3
People become homosexual because they were sexually abused as children or there was a deficiency in sex-role modeling by their parents.
Initial sexual experiences have a powerful imprinting affect on the psyche of young children. Being abused by a same-sex adult leaves a child enormously confused and conflicted about his own sexuality. And counselors have long observed a connection between distant fathers, overbearing mothers, and homosexual tendencies in males who grow up in such households.
TRUTH # 4
Homosexuals don't live nearly as long as heterosexuals.
According to an extensive study of the homosexual community in Vancouver, B.C., active participation in the homosexual lifestyle will rob an individual of a significant portion of his life span. Say the researchers, "[L]ife expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men." In fact, they observe that participation in the homosexual lifestyle knocks life expectancy for a Canadian male back to what it was in 1871.
The Centers for Disease Control reports that homosexuals are 50 to 60 times more likely to become infected with AIDS than other groups. AIDS, of course, is often a fatal disease and thus has a dramatic impact on life expectancy. We spend billions and billions of dollars trying to keep children from taking up cigarette smoking because it will shorten lifespans by six or seven years. If we're going to spend that kind of money, it's time we spend some of it to stop children from taking up homosexual behavior as a habit, and for the same reason: it will kill you.
TRUTH # 5
Homosexuals controlled the Nazi Party and helped to orchestrate the Holocaust.
William Shirer, author of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," said, "But (in) the brown-shirted S.A...many of its top leaders, beginning with its chief, Roehm, were notorious homosexual perverts." Shirer observes at another point that of the men gathered around Hitler, not 10% of them were sexually normal. According to historian Samuel Inga, the assassination of Roehm and his associates in 1934 was carried out by other homosexuals at Hitler's behest for the purpose of protecting Hitler from a possible political threat from Roehm and from possible public exposure of his own homosexual proclivities. Inga says the assassins "were all known to be sex perverts or sexual maniacs of one type or another."
According to noted German historian Lothar Machtan, Hitler's own homosexuality is a well-established fact. He was denied military promotions in WWI because of sexual deviancy, and was well-known to the Munich police in the 1920s as a practicing homosexual. He later carried on a raging love affair with his deputy, Rudolf Hess. Hitler persecuted homosexuals as a means of self-protection. Says Machtan, "'Hitler himself never condemned homosexuality, but he allowed the persecution of gays in order to disguise his own true colours."
Nazi hunter Elie Wiesel points out in his book Night that homosexuality and pedophilia were frequent practices of concentration camp guards. He said of the head of his own tent in Auschwitz that, "like the leader of the camp, he loved children." He adds parenthetically, "[T]here was considerable traffic in young children among homosexuals here."
TRUTH # 6
Hate crime laws will lead to the jailing of pastors who criticize homosexuality and the legalization of practices like bestiality and necrophilia.
A 74-year-old grandmother in Philadephia faced 47 years on prison for doing nothing more than standing on a public sidewalk and declaring the biblical truth about homosexuality during a gay pride parade. Street preachers in England have been arrested for doing the same thing. Pastor Ake Green of Sweden narrowly avoided a two-year prison sentence for teaching a biblical view of homosexuality in his own church from his own pulpit. The risk of going to jail for telling the truth about homosexuality is very real.
TRUTH # 7
Allowing homosexuals to serve openly would damage the armed forces.
One survey of active duty personnel revealed that 10% of them would definitely leave the armed services if homosexuals are allowed to serve, and another 14% would seriously consider it. You cannot lose almost a quarter of your officers and service members and not have it damage the military. The leaked Pentagon survey indicates that at least 30% of the active duty service members who returned the survey expect negative effects from lifting the ban. Only an intellectually blind and deaf individual would say this will have no deleterious affect on retention, recruitment and readiness. Marine Corps commandant Gen. James Amos has said quite publicly that virtually every Marine he has talked to opposes repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," and he has said such a repeal will have a negative impact on "unit cohesion" and "combat effectiveness."
TRUTH # 8
Homosexuals are more prone to be mentally ill and to abuse drugs and alcohol.
Even the pro-homosexual Gay and Lesbian Medical Association admits that homosexuals "use substances at a higher rate than the general population," have "higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse," and are subject to higher rates of "depression and anxiety." Homosexual activists attempt to blame homophobia for this, but the same trends are evident even in Scandinavian countries where homosexuality has received virtually unanimous societal approval for decades.
TRUTH # 9
No one is born a homosexual.
No researcher has ever even claimed to have discovered the "gay gene." And I'm convinced that homosexuals now don't want to find it even if it's there, for fear that advances in pre-natal genetic screening will lead to the systematic abortion of babies who carry the suspect genetic marker. They know what happens to Down syndrome babies in the womb. Even if there is some innate disposition toward homosexual behavior, no human being is compelled to yield to every sexual impulse he experiences. You can ask Tiger Woods about that. Homosexual behavior is always, always, a matter of choice.
TRUTH # 10
Gay people can choose to leave homosexuality.
When I pastored, happily married ex-homosexuals spoke in my church about their journey from homosexuality to heterosexuality. Change is clearly and without question possible. Even Dr. Robert Sptizer, who led the effort to declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973, now admits as much. Says Spitzer, "The changes following reparative therapy were not limited to sexual behavior and sexual orientation self-identity...(but) encompassed the core aspects of sexual orientation."
People leave the homosexual lifestyle every day, just like people stop abusing drugs and alcohol every day. Any addiction to a self-destructive behavior can be broken with determination accompanied by the right kind of spiritual and emotional support.
It's also worth noting that homosexual behavior is so dangerous and risky that the FDA - hardly a member of the vast, right-wing conspiracy - will not allow a male to donate blood if he has had sex even one time with another male in the last 33 years.
And the CDC - again, not a right-wing think tank - has found that of all the males who have been diagnosed with HIV/AIDS in the history of the epidemic, 91% of them got it either through having sex with other males or through injection drug abuse. Clearly, homosexual behavior is as dangerous to human health as shooting up with illicit drugs. No sane society should ever endorse and grant special rights and protections based on either kind of behavior.
Until the Southern Poverty Law Center adds the FDA and the CDC to its list of "hate" groups, there is no reason to think that either the AFA or the FRC belongs on that list. In point of fact, we are "truth" groups, not "hate" groups. And you can't go wrong telling people the truth about behavior that could destroy them. We're sticking with the FDA and the CDC on this one.
2014-03-01 06:51:37 PM  
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Got Mitt Uns?
2014-03-01 06:47:50 PM  
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2014-03-01 06:40:55 PM  
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Can you just imagine the meetings.

"OK childrens. We iz gonna lern how to suck the venom from a snake. Just let me unzip ma pants and..."

/Ned Beatty weeps for your poor anus's souls.
//Have a seat over there--------------->
2014-03-01 06:05:09 PM  
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Well, it looks like they finally are getting what they wanted. To isolate themselves from those who don't follow their narrow religion, and to isolate their kids, too.  It's like they just can't come to terms with the idea that they have to live with other people not quite like themselves.

 I wonder what will happen when a Mormon kid wants to join a Trail Life troop....
2014-03-01 06:04:09 PM  
1 vote:
Mein Kampf town ladiez zing ziss zong,
Jew dah, Jew dah
Mein Kampf town ovenz all day long
Burn the Jew day long.

//damn, even the muslins would send me to hell for that...
2014-03-01 05:58:21 PM  
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I'll never understand how these assholes can assume they know what god wants and still all them Christians.  I think if there is a christian god, he's more complex than "I hate them gays.  If you let them into boyscouts you're evil hurrr."
2014-03-01 05:56:40 PM  
1 vote:
i.imgur.com
2014-03-01 05:39:58 PM  
1 vote:

markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...


<snaps Hitlergruß>  Sieg Heil.

You win at the Internet.
2014-03-01 05:37:12 PM  
1 vote:
Goddammitsomuch

/Eagle scout
2014-03-01 05:36:54 PM  
1 vote:
I see a token black kid - he must be needed for the rest to earn their lynching badges.
2014-03-01 05:29:36 PM  
1 vote:
GODWINED
2014-03-01 05:26:16 PM  
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Do they have no sense of self awareness or am I the real racist for pointing that out?
2014-03-01 05:25:17 PM  
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markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...


FLAWLESS VICTORY
2014-03-01 05:21:21 PM  
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25.media.tumblr.com
 
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