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2014-03-01 10:41:03 PM  

Langston: akula: cato113: Do they have no sense of self awareness or am I the real racist for pointing that out?

The caption says they're "moving their arms with the singing of Taps" so I suspect that while it is possible that these folks don't have enough brains to fill a matchbox even without removing the matches first, it is also entirely possible that of any number of photos that were taken that one is the most damning when removed from any context. But that depends on the news media ripping a photo out of context without informing the public. And we all know that would NEVER happen.

I'm sort of in agreement with you here. Not knowing what the motions were, it really feels like this was taken out of context. Maybe they were throwing the Nazi salute and screaming sieg heil at the top of their lungs. Or maybe they were moving their arms in some other way and the photographer picked this particular photo for no particular reason except it happens to look like they're posing like nazis.

I've got no love for these guys, but honestly, when the photographer and the editor agree on this pic to lead with, it feels like they're trying to demonize them. Feels excessive to me; their philosophy is already wrongheaded and doesn't stand on its own, the rest seems like overkill.


Or maybe when the photographer and the editor agree on the pic to lead with that's because it's an accurate representation of what actually happened.
 
2014-03-01 10:42:54 PM  
I read the headline and I though "No, it can't be that. No one could be that stupid." then I clicked the link. Really people?
 
2014-03-01 10:44:20 PM  

bill_01915: Or maybe when the photographer and the editor agree on the pic to lead with that's because it's an accurate representation of what actually happened.


Yeah I agree with that. Sometimes stupid just... is. No explanations or alternative theory needed. If the label says "green beans" then rest assured that there are green beans in the can.
 
2014-03-01 10:54:55 PM  
Fine.  Let them leave the Boy Scouts.  But let them know they can NEVER come back into the BSA once they leave.
 
2014-03-01 10:56:04 PM  

akula: cato113: Do they have no sense of self awareness or am I the real racist for pointing that out?

The caption says they're "moving their arms with the singing of Taps" so I suspect that while it is possible that these folks don't have enough brains to fill a matchbox even without removing the matches first, it is also entirely possible that of any number of photos that were taken that one is the most damning when removed from any context. But that depends on the news media ripping a photo out of context without informing the public. And we all know that would NEVER happen.


I was a heathen Girl Scout counselor at a time when they actively avoided singing any songs with a religious message, to be more inclusive, which was cool.  There were PLENTY of song + movement ditties I learned that summer.  You might look awkward if someone caught you in the middle of the Little Green Frog movements, but I'm racking my brain and can't think of a single movement in any song that could be mistaken for Heil Hitler.

We didn't have any associated movements to Taps, though.  Cause, you know.

It's freaking Taps.
 
2014-03-01 10:59:46 PM  

walkerhound: mongbiohazard: OH COME ON! Seriously?!?!? The frigging Nazi salute?

err...see fusillade762's post above.


Okay, yeah, but it was still dropped because it looked like a (Italian, German) fascist salute.  For some reason.

So they readopted it in a "screw changing our ways because this evokes facism" way... actually, yeah.  That wouldn't surprise me.   But if they did that they can't write it off as a picture taken out of context or some crap like that.
 
2014-03-01 11:01:30 PM  
 Judging from the article's picture, Trail Life really needs some uniforms....

/ I'm sure Hugo Boss could use a new contract
 
2014-03-01 11:01:45 PM  

HairBolus: HairBolus:

Great. Now some idiot at Fark has changed the comment editing code such that centering adds an extra blank line between every line between preview and posting.


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2014-03-01 11:09:52 PM  

KhamanV: freetomato: "Cool!  Can I join?"

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I'd just like to say I'm amazed how well that movie holds up, and how weirdly frickin' funny it is in spots.

And that kid looks like Sterling Archer.


I can't unseen that now
 
2014-03-01 11:11:39 PM  
"You're the salt of the earth," Buchholz told the boys, quoting Matthew 5:13. "The salt was a preservative. You guys, being the salt of the earth, are a preservative." "If salt loses its saltiness, how is (the Earth) going to be preserved?"

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2014-03-01 11:14:04 PM  

evilsofa: "You're the salt of the earth," Buchholz told the boys, quoting Matthew 5:13. "The salt was a preservative. You guys, being the salt of the earth, are a preservative." "If salt loses its saltiness, how is (the Earth) going to be preserved?"

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Umm... isn't salt in soil generally a bad thing?
 
2014-03-01 11:17:00 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: [25.media.tumblr.com image 240x350]


Your name always makes me think of Rimmer. Are you a fan?
 
2014-03-01 11:17:45 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: evilsofa: "You're the salt of the earth," Buchholz told the boys, quoting Matthew 5:13. "The salt was a preservative. You guys, being the salt of the earth, are a preservative." "If salt loses its saltiness, how is (the Earth) going to be preserved?"

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Umm... isn't salt in soil generally a bad thing?


Yeah, it makes it kind of... incapable of supporting plant life.
 
2014-03-01 11:19:36 PM  

CanisNoir: They both claimed to follow the Christian relgion so, yea, I would. I believe those that used it to support slavery were misinterpreting the message, but like all other institutions it's nice to see Christianity has grown past that particular hang up. Slavery wasn't limited to Christian areas of the world, so it's kind of wrong to paint the religion as some how being responsible for that institution.


It's almost as if religion is completely useless as any sort of moral guidepost.  Huh.
 
2014-03-01 11:25:42 PM  

markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...


Goddam, some funny shiat there.

Yeah, I give them oh, 'bout five years till the first kid fiddlin' class action lawsuit comes around.

/subby
 
2014-03-01 11:36:50 PM  

Miss Stein: markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...

Goddam, some funny shiat there.

Yeah, I give them oh, 'bout five years till the first kid fiddlin' class action lawsuit comes around.

/subby


I'd like to place large bet on the under.
 
2014-03-01 11:42:33 PM  

Stinkyy: lokidecat: Stinkyy: By Brian Fisher
TRUTH # 1
Homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.
Absolutely true. Homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, yet according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual pedophiles are responsible for 33% of all child sex offenses. Homosexuals molest children at at least 10 times the rate of heterosexuals.

Doing some quick math, 67% of all child sex offenses are then made by heterosexual pedophiles.

Hmm. All aboard the failboat.

Reading is fundamental, you do the math, dimwit.  Per homo, that is a LOT more pedophilia.

Which issue of the Journal of Sex Research? What year? Which article, by which researchers? Which page and ¶ therein? Or do you just take Brian Fisher's word for it without any sort of backup?

You see, I strongly suspect (without knowing exactly where to check, I can't say for sure) that what Brian did was read a study which showed how many children, by gender, were molested by molesters of the same and of the opposite gender. Since men are far and away more likely to be child molesters than women are, girls are molested quite a bit more often than boys are, but boys are still molested and often by men. Fisher seems to be just up and deciding that "male adult molester of boys = homosexual," but that's not what the word means.

"Homosexual" and "heterosexual" when talking about adults refer to one's sexual attraction to other adults. Pedophilia is neither homosexual nor heterosexual, but is a paraphilia in its own right. Very often, an adult male who strongly prefers adult women over other adult men will also have pedophilic attractions to young boys over young girls. Such a man would still be a heterosexual, as well as a pedophile, and not a homosexual.

Just to show how much Fisher misunderstands (deliberately?) and twists even basic knowledge:
TRUTH #9
Nobody is born a homosexual.
No researcher has ever even claimed to have discovered the "gay gene."
Mr. Fisher apparently doesn't know what the word "congenital" means. It means "born with it." Now, here's the kicker: not every congenital trait (that one is born with) is genetic! Spina bifida, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS), birth defects resulting from the mother having contracted Rubella aka "German measles," Thalidomide® babies, etc. etc. etc. are all examples of congenital conditions that one is born with and have all their lives, which cannot be cured after the fact, and yet which are not genetic!
And I'm convinced that homosexuals now don't want to find it even if it's there, for fear that advances in pre-natal genetic screening will lead to the systematic abortion of babies who carry the suspect genetic marker. They know what happens to Down syndrome babies in the womb.
Down Syndrome is not genetic in the sense of being inherited. It's a chromosomal replication anomaly, a polysomy, a trisomy in this case: the duplication of Chromosome #23, resulting in three copies instead of two (thus its more official name is Trisomy 23). Down syndrome people don't grow up to produce Down syndrome offspring.
Even if there is some innate disposition toward homosexual behavior, no human being is compelled to yield to every sexual impulse he experiences. You can ask Tiger Woods about that. Homosexual behavior is always, always, a matter of choice.
And here Brian completely (deliberately?) misunderstands the very term "homosexual." When used as a noun or as an adjective referring to a person, it refers to the orientation, meaning the attraction, not the act!

If you are even tempted to have sexual relations with other adults of the same gender, then you are at least bisexual. If you have much more attraction to the same gender than to the opposite gender, you're homosexual. This holds true even if you never, ever actually do anything involving sexual acts with others of the same gender, nor even look at homoerotic porn. You're still a homosexual.
 
2014-03-01 11:42:57 PM  

Miss Stein: markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...

Goddam, some funny shiat there.

Yeah, I give them oh, 'bout five years till the first kid fiddlin' class action lawsuit comes around.

/subby


Thank you (and the mods) for the lightning rod thread so I can update my highlights.
 
2014-03-01 11:43:40 PM  
But the Boy Scouts had decided to admit gays, and Ron Orr, a tall, soft-spoken man with a firm handshake, is clear about his Christian faith and what it says about homosexuality: It is a sin that cannot be tolerated.

I really have trouble understanding their theory.  You can forgive someone for theft, murder, rape, but "OMG, he's gay" is a sin that can't be tolerated?

Leviticus does indicate it's a sin.  Just like eating shrimp, eating bacon, or trimming your beard.  But nobody freaks out about people that shave.  Divorce is a sin, but it's also very common.

Everyone sins.  That's another thing the bible tells us, is that everyone is a sinner, and the Jesus died for our sins.  So why do these people believe that Jesus died for all the *other* sins, but not that particular sin?  Why is that sin a sin that "cannot be tolerated"?

When the US military got rid of "Don't Ask, Don't tell", a lot of their priests said that they couldn't do their job because gays are sinners.  I got a kick out of that.  Do they really think that the non gays in the army are sin-free?  lol.

I'm sure there are some extremely religious folks reading the thread.  I really am interested in why this one particular sin is considered unforgivable, when every other sin gets treated much differently.
 
2014-03-01 11:46:22 PM  
If burning a flag is ok, reusing this salute is ok.
 
2014-03-01 11:48:37 PM  
COMALite J:

He's probably creating another account right now. Just highlight him and move on. Although, I still see a couple of woman-haters and racists still posting, but they stay away from those topics now.
 
2014-03-01 11:58:03 PM  

JuggleGeek: But the Boy Scouts had decided to admit gays, and Ron Orr, a tall, soft-spoken man with a firm handshake, is clear about his Christian faith and what it says about homosexuality: It is a sin that cannot be tolerated.

I really have trouble understanding their theory.  You can forgive someone for theft, murder, rape, but "OMG, he's gay" is a sin that can't be tolerated?

Leviticus does indicate it's a sin.  Just like eating shrimp, eating bacon, or trimming your beard.  But nobody freaks out about people that shave.  Divorce is a sin, but it's also very common.

Everyone sins.  That's another thing the bible tells us, is that everyone is a sinner, and the Jesus died for our sins.  So why do these people believe that Jesus died for all the *other* sins, but not that particular sin?  Why is that sin a sin that "cannot be tolerated"?

When the US military got rid of "Don't Ask, Don't tell", a lot of their priests said that they couldn't do their job because gays are sinners.  I got a kick out of that.  Do they really think that the non gays in the army are sin-free?  lol.

I'm sure there are some extremely religious folks reading the thread.  I really am interested in why this one particular sin is considered unforgivable, when every other sin gets treated much differently.



Mostly its becouse we give much better blow jobs then the fat biatch they have at home.
 
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2014-03-01 11:59:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: What the f*ck was that? All that....stuff?


My brains screamed from trying to read that asswhining.
I need a whiskey to kill off the brain cells I just corrupted with that tripe.

/can reading something give you an aneurysm?
 
2014-03-02 12:20:23 AM  

cato113: Do they have no sense of self awareness or am I the real racist for pointing that out?


It's a parody, right?  Wasn't the article linked from The Onion?
 
2014-03-02 12:29:47 AM  
Stinkyy: Wow, looks like the abnormals are out to pene this group just as much as they did the BSA.  Those homos really want to be around our kids.

You really are the cutest little thing.
 
2014-03-02 12:37:38 AM  

Stinkyy: lokidecat: Stinkyy: By Brian Fisher
TRUTH # 1
Homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.
Absolutely true. Homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, yet according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual pedophiles are responsible for 33% of all child sex offenses. Homosexuals molest children at at least 10 times the rate of heterosexuals.

Doing some quick math, 67% of all child sex offenses are then made by heterosexual pedophiles.

Hmm. All aboard the failboat.

Reading is fundamental, you do the math, dimwit.  Per homo, that is a LOT more pedophilia.


Oh FFS, pedophiles are the threat to children, not homosexuals or heterosexuals.
Pedophiles are a distinct group from either homosexual or heterosexual.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_moles ta tion.html
 
2014-03-02 12:38:24 AM  

lokidecat: Stinkyy: By Brian Fisher
TRUTH # 1
Homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.
Absolutely true. Homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, yet according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual pedophiles are responsible for 33% of all child sex offenses. Homosexuals molest children at at least 10 times the rate of heterosexuals.

Doing some quick math, 67% of all child sex offenses are then made by heterosexual pedophiles.

Hmm. All aboard the failboat.


So....
If we get rid of teh geys ... that would cut child sex offenses by a third ... BUT ... we would still have pedophiles?

Better Plan
Get rid of geys and straits ... no more pedophiles ... except, dang, I thought I was onto something...

OK, more better plan,
Get rid of pedophiles!

---

Logik hertz by brane.

/Pedophiles eat bread
//People eat bread
///People are pedophiles
 
2014-03-02 12:45:17 AM  

pion: Miss Stein: markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...

Goddam, some funny shiat there.

Yeah, I give them oh, 'bout five years till the first kid fiddlin' class action lawsuit comes around.

/subby

I'd like to place large bet on the under.


A very large bet.
 
2014-03-02 01:08:04 AM  
I kinda want to see if there's video of what their arm movements actually look like, but chances are they probably knew exactly what they were doing when they decided to include the part pictured in TFA. Look at the one smiling for the camera. He's gotta have some sort of self-awareness here..
 
2014-03-02 01:10:41 AM  

LavenderWolf: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: evilsofa: "You're the salt of the earth," Buchholz told the boys, quoting Matthew 5:13. "The salt was a preservative. You guys, being the salt of the earth, are a preservative." "If salt loses its saltiness, how is (the Earth) going to be preserved?"

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Umm... isn't salt in soil generally a bad thing?

Yeah, it makes it kind of... incapable of supporting plant life.


Actually, in the correct amount salt's an important part of some fertilizers.
 
2014-03-02 01:12:14 AM  

leevis: Looks pretty close to the black power salute.


To a blind person who has somehow made it through life without ever hearing of Nazis, sure.

/come to think of it, where is Helen Keller?
 
2014-03-02 01:13:55 AM  

rewind2846: bill_01915: Or maybe when the photographer and the editor agree on the pic to lead with that's because it's an accurate representation of what actually happened.

Yeah I agree with that. Sometimes stupid just... is. No explanations or alternative theory needed. If the label says "green beans" then rest assured that there are green beans in the can.


See, there's this.

It's like when the right-wing derposphere ran amok trying to explain Sarah Palin's dingaling story about how Paul Revere rode through Boston ringin' those bells a-warnin' those British not to take our gunz or whatever. Yes, there is a way that her story could have been accurate...but we all know that that was not the explanation she was thinking of when she made that asinine comment.

And here, well, it's entirely possible that there are "arm movements associated with the singing of Taps" but it's MUCH MORE LIKELY that it is exactly what it looks like, because what's the payoff in pretending here? Nobody knows about this Trail Life b/s--why demonize them ahead of time unless they're already demonic?
 
2014-03-02 01:16:34 AM  

indy_kid: Fine.  Let them leave the Boy Scouts.  But let them know they can NEVER come back into the BSA once they leave.


Yeah. People never make mistakes or learn from them.
 
2014-03-02 01:39:40 AM  
I have it on good authority the nazis also liked to clap in approval of things and stuff.

if you clap, you're a nazi.
 
2014-03-02 01:42:01 AM  

JuggleGeek: But the Boy Scouts had decided to admit gays, and Ron Orr, a tall, soft-spoken man with a firm handshake, is clear about his Christian faith and what it says about homosexuality: It is a sin that cannot be tolerated.

I really have trouble understanding their theory.  You can forgive someone for theft, murder, rape, but "OMG, he's gay" is a sin that can't be tolerated?



I don't think that there's a one-size-fits-all answer, and even if there were, I sill couldn't speak for all Christians, but I can give you a one-word answer that cuts to the heart of it for SOME Christians: repentance.

The key parts of God forgiving sin are that the sinner repent, which requires that he or she admit that it was a sin, express regret, and promise to (at least try to) eschew that sin in the future.  Gays who are out of the closet gaying it up with gay abandon meet none of these criteria.  We aren't admitting that it's wrong to be gay, we don't regret our fabulous gay trysts, and we have no intention of ever not being gay.  By being happy, well-adjusted, and, worst of all, not ashamed, we flaunt our evil gay homosexuality and rub their faces in it.

It would be as if a convicted murderer, while being sentenced for raping and killing a 12-year-old girl, smiled and waved at the camera instead of showing remorse.  In theory it doesn't change the severity of his crime, but in practice it makes your blood boil.
 
2014-03-02 01:45:39 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: leevis: Looks pretty close to the black power salute.

To a blind person who has somehow made it through life without ever hearing of Nazis, sure.

/come to think of it, where is Helen Keller?


I think she stopped on some island to refuel.
 
2014-03-02 01:49:06 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.


I do not notice any motion blur in that pic at all.

Does anyone else see any motion blur??
 
2014-03-02 02:01:29 AM  

trappedspirit: If burning a flag is ok, reusing this salute is ok.


Boyscouts shouldn't do either.
 
2014-03-02 02:43:50 AM  

HairBolus: HairBolus:

Great. Now some idiot at Fark has changed the comment editing code such that centering adds an extra blank line between every line between preview and posting.


Lemme try:

♪♫ Day is | done, ♫♪
♫♪ Gone the | sun, ♪♫
♪♫ From the | hills, from the lake, from the | sky. ♫♪
♫♪ All is | well, safe-ly | rest. ♪♫
♪♫ God is | nigh. ♫♪

♫♪ Go to | sleep, ♪♫
♪♫ Peace-ful | sleep, ♫♪
♫♪ May the | sold-ier or | sail-or, God | keep. ♪♫
♪♫ On the | land or the | deep, ♫♪
♫♪ Safe in | sleep. ♪♫

♪♫ Love, good | night, ♫♪
♫♪ Must thou | go, ♪♫
♪♫ When the | day, and the | night need thee | so? ♫♪
♫♪ All is | well, speed-eth | all ♪♫
♪♫ To their | rest. ♫♪

♫♪ Fades the | light; ♪♫
♪♫ and a- | -far ♫♪
♫♪ Go-eth | day, and the | stars shine-th | bright, ♪♫
♪♫ Fare thee | well; day has | gone, ♫♪
♫♪ Night is | on. ♪♫

♪♫ Thanks and | praise, ♪♫
♫♪ for our | days, ♪♫
♪♫ 'Neath the | sun, 'neath the | stars, 'neath the | sky, ♫♪
♫♪ As we | go, this we | know, ♪♫
♪♫ God is nigh.♫♪

Now check out the link I posted above.
 
2014-03-02 03:05:24 AM  
What? The Royal Rangers weren't Jesus-y enough for these people? How many explicitly Church-based scout clones do these people need?
 
2014-03-02 07:14:29 AM  

Aquapope: So, in Kansas, two people just have to say "we're married" and fill out the paperwork and that's it.


That's how it was in Scotland until the 1930s - the blacksmith at Gretna Green had no officiating powers but the smiddy was open round the clock and so was a convenient place for eloping couples to find witnesses quickly. To this day Quakers in the UK get married by standing up and saying "We're getting married" - there is no officiant.
 
2014-03-02 07:30:18 AM  

ciberido: The key parts of God forgiving sin are that the sinner repent, which requires that he or she admit that it was a sin, express regret, and promise to (at least try to) eschew that sin in the future. Gays who are out of the closet gaying it up with gay abandon meet none of these criteria. We aren't admitting that it's wrong to be gay, we don't regret our fabulous gay trysts, and we have no intention of ever not being gay.


I eat lobster and shrimp and ham and bacon.  I shave my face.  I don't consider any of those to be sins, I'm not begging forgiveness for doing them, I have no regrets about doing those things.  For those who believe in the bible, though, they'll ignore that part while screaming about how gay sex is unforgivable.

ciberido: It would be as if a convicted murderer


BZZZZ.  No, it wouldn't be anything similar.
 
2014-03-02 09:11:36 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.


I've been in the military my entire adult life, and there is no "hand wave" that you do with Taps.
 
2014-03-02 10:28:14 AM  
*UPDATE*

They changed the picture in the article. :(
 
2014-03-02 10:34:03 AM  
So, now the Boy Scouts aren't accepting enough for rational people to support them nor are they discriminatory enough for bigots to support them? If they don't fully commit to one side or the other, they're doomed...

/And, only one side has any long term chance of survival...
//The Bigot Scouts will die off eventually...
 
2014-03-02 10:34:05 AM  

AgentKGB: *UPDATE*

They changed the picture in the article. :(


True.
 
2014-03-02 11:02:23 AM  

slotz: AgentKGB: *UPDATE*

They changed the picture in the article. :(

True.


I imagine Trail Life USA finally saw the picture and threw a shiat fit.

At least, thanks to Paris1127, people can see what the original pic looked like.
 
2014-03-02 11:41:18 AM  

AgentKGB: *UPDATE*

They changed the picture in the article. :(


the new pics appear to be pure WASP, not even a token black and maybe a hispanic as in the earlier pic.

img.fark.net

I you do a reverse Google image search on this pic it still exists on the web in news stories. The search didn't turn up any angry right-wingers complaining about how it made them look bad.

Interistingly this site, http://my.wavebroadband.com/news/read/category/Us%20News/article/ap-n o _longer_loyal_to_scouts_boys_join_trai-ap , doesn't caption the photo as "singing taps", but instead says:

"In this Tuesday, Feb. 4, 2014 photo, Trail Life members form a circle and recite the organization's creed during meeting in North Richland Hills, Texas. Trail Life USA, the new Christian-based alternative to the Boy Scouts of America, excludes openly gay members. (AP Photo/LM Otero)"

I really don't see right wingers defending the photo because that would only call attention to it. Maybe some are trying to without showing it. The lack of hits in the reverse image search probably caused by the fact that Google indexes news stories rapidly and takes a while to harvest images from blogs. In a few days the search will turn up more hits and I wonder if any of them will be rightwingers claiming persecution.
 
2014-03-02 12:20:22 PM  

Sgt Otter: Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.

I've been in the military my entire adult life, and there is no "hand wave" that you do with Taps.


Your unit doesn't do "Jazz Hands"? Oh, that may just be Navy. :)
 
2014-03-02 02:12:01 PM  

HairBolus: I really don't see right wingers defending the photo


Here's what one of my Teabagger Fb friends posted in the comments when I posted the link on Fb..

 I looked at an LGBTQ website and they actually had nothing negative to say about this new group. They showed pictures of ceremonies and this "salute" was not in there. The official website for Trail Life and the LGBTQ website showed more of a military hand salute. I do not like the idea of this kind of "salute" taking place as the Nazis did attach a negative stigma to many mystic signs or gestures. The Roman Legions used this long before the Nazis but for obvious reasons people remember it as belonging to a negative entity.


So there's that..

Also, thanks for all teh funnay votez!! Made my decade!
 
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