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2014-03-01 08:02:12 PM  

lokidecat: Stinkyy: By Brian Fisher
TRUTH # 1
Homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.
Absolutely true. Homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, yet according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual pedophiles are responsible for 33% of all child sex offenses. Homosexuals molest children at at least 10 times the rate of heterosexuals.

Doing some quick math, 67% of all child sex offenses are then made by heterosexual pedophiles.

Hmm. All aboard the failboat.


Reading is fundamental, you do the math, dimwit.  Per homo, that is a LOT more pedophilia.
 
2014-03-01 08:08:45 PM  
Trail Life = Fail Liter
 
2014-03-01 08:10:42 PM  

jonny_q: It looks like they were moving their arms to a song and they were photoed (or a still taken from a video) at the one part of the song that looks like that. So yeah, that's pretty farked up to take something out of context like that.


As has been said before, it would be a neat trick to get pre-pubescent boys to move in perfect unison. I got a 12 year old Scout with my husband when I married, and sat on several Boards of Review. Boys that age are about as coordinated and graceful as monkeys on Red Bull.

I'm glad that his troop didn't push an evangelical, bigoted agenda. He really came out of it a thoughtful, respectful, honest young man who learned some pretty good skills. My only beefs were 1. Expensive to buy all the gear, badges, uniforms, etc. That priced a lot of boys out of participating. Luckily you could donate outgrown uniforms for other kids, but still, pretty pricey to participate fully. 2. One fat bastard Scoutmaster was rude and outright dismissive of me, as a woman. I think it chapped his ass that I wasn't some meek, gem sweater wearing, pudgy housewife, but a woman who asked questions, got shiat done and participated.
 
2014-03-01 08:12:23 PM  

markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...


Done in one.
 
2014-03-01 08:13:49 PM  

Ghastly: Now this is going to cause a fuhrer.


A close second!
 
2014-03-01 08:13:50 PM  

The_Homeless_Guy: hotrod2001: Been a scout for over 20 years, "morally straight" to me always meant being straight with your decisions, your ethics, your morals...not necessarily "straight" orientation.  Churches abandoning scout troops because of this and taking away a place and group that kids, a lot of which don't have a lot of other options other than getting into crime or gangs, to me is more off-moral than being inclusive.

Baden-Powell was pretty damn gay for his day. No idea if he actually was, but the guy wasn't married until his 50's and even then apparently didn't like sharing the same bed as his wife.


From G. K. Chesterton's The Club of Queer Trades:

you would not think that Lord Kitchener dressed up like a ballet girl out of ordinary personal vanity. You would think it much more likely that he inherited a dancing madness from a great grandmother; or had been hypnotised at a seance; or threatened by a secret society with death if he refused the ordeal. With Baden-Powell, say, it might be a bet
 
2014-03-01 08:16:01 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the Fark Liberal narrative much better.


FTFM
 
2014-03-01 08:18:10 PM  

walkerhound: mongbiohazard: OH COME ON! Seriously?!?!? The frigging Nazi salute?

err...see fusillade762's post above.


I'd like to but I can't find it.  Maybe it's lost in all that Chick tract crap from that stinky guy.
 
2014-03-01 08:20:04 PM  

wellreadneck: Not that the wages of sin is death stuff isn't more palatable in cartoon form, but what about the hapless Christian lady who got the bug from her on-the-down-low hubby? Is she wasting away to pay for the abomination of being a devoted wife and occasionally sticking her thumb up the ass of some lying peice of shiat so he could get a nut? Is she a martyr? How does that work?


Not to mention the newborn HIV positive kid who's one of the wages of somebody else's sin.
 
2014-03-01 08:23:25 PM  
Bigot Scouts... fabulous.
 
2014-03-01 08:25:01 PM  
Stinkyy: No one is born a homosexual. This is not true, but this is considered a good and natural thing.  But just try pointing out that Everybody is born an Atheist! That will get you a whole lot of nowhere.
 
2014-03-01 08:25:24 PM  

wxboy: It's been done.


Also Christian Service Brigade.
 
2014-03-01 08:29:53 PM  

fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: What the f*ck was that? All that....stuff?

Derp Spam.


really? i thought he posted that so we could all laugh at it.

poe's law
 
2014-03-01 08:31:09 PM  
Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.
 
2014-03-01 08:31:22 PM  

bojon: Yes, my how times have changed.


Sort of my grandmother born in 1902 said when she was a girl in school they never did any of that stuff. And frankly, that sort of stuff freaked her out.
 
2014-03-01 08:35:39 PM  
Well, hey, if this helps divorce Boy Scouts from a Christian Denomination, then more power to them. My memories of scouts were of camping, learning outdoors skills, a focus on Native American traditions and wishing I could cop a feel of the cute camp counselor ladys. If they want to focus on religion then yep, time to start your own club.

I do find it laughable that the person quoted in the article says that it "clearly states in the scriptures that it's a sin that cannot be tolerated" yet those who are super anti-homosexual are just a faction of Christians. You'd think if it was "clearly stated" there would be no room for differing interpretations.

I'll just repeat what I've said before; any Bible verse that is used to bolster the "Gay is a sin" argument is pulled from the Old Testament and relies upon the faulty logic that those verses were written down in the context of rampant homosexualism. Sorry to say, but if there were enough *FABULOUS* people running around bronze age Judea to cause the prophets to focus upon them as a "hazard" (because 'sins' in the context of writing are hazards to the Jewish community, whether through health reasons or by outlawing things that creating division within the community) and would most certianly be supported by Big Gay Methusala making an appearance in other, unrelated writing.
On top of that, for God to think of Homosexuality as a sin, one would have to place the limitations of a "gender bias" upon the Divine Being that is God, and once you limit "Him", he's no longer God. Therefore having sexual intercourse with someone of the same gender as yourself would be equal in the eyes of God as having sexual intercourse with someone of a different gender. There may have been a bias in the writing towards heterosexual reproduction, but only because at the time, making babies was important to the communities survival because life was so harsh and short.

Long story short, there's no way God would give two shaits whether your boiking someone with the same plumbing or someone with opposite plumbing; they are both equally sinful, or equally non sinful.
 
2014-03-01 08:38:25 PM  

NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.


Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.
 
2014-03-01 08:46:40 PM  

NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
(Common paraphrase of a few different things that Sinclair Lewis actually did say:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sinclair_Lewis#Misattributed, see also http://english.illinoisstate.edu/sinclairlewis/ )

And if you don't already have the keywords handy, it's "christian dominionists".  *shudder*
 
rpm
2014-03-01 08:46:59 PM  

CanisNoir: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.


Except for those that used religion to support slavery. You'd really call both of those groups the Christian Right?
 
2014-03-01 08:47:27 PM  
Every kid in there is gonna get diddled. You watch.
 
2014-03-01 08:49:14 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: [25.media.tumblr.com image 240x350]


Well played!

/I'd change our status to red alert, but then I'd have to change the light bulb :P
 
2014-03-01 08:51:46 PM  

rpm: CanisNoir: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.

Except for those that used religion to support slavery. You'd really call both of those groups the Christian Right?


They both claimed to follow the Christian relgion so, yea, I would. I believe those that used it to support slavery were misinterpreting the message, but like all other institutions it's nice to see Christianity has grown past that particular hang up. Slavery wasn't limited to Christian areas of the world, so it's kind of wrong to paint the religion as some how being responsible for that institution.
 
2014-03-01 08:51:56 PM  

CanisNoir: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.


"In 1837, southerners in the Presbyterian denomination joined forces with conservative northerners to drive the antislavery New School Presbyterians out of the denomination. In 1844, the Methodist Episcopal Church split into northern and southern wings over the issue of slavery. In 1845, the Baptists in the South formed the Southern Baptist Convention due to disputes with Northern Baptists over slavery and missions.

Some members of fringe Christian groups like the Christian Identity movement, and the Ku Klux Klan (an organization dedicated to the "empowerment of the white race"), and Aryan Nations still argue that slavery is justified by Christian doctrine today."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_slavery#Opposition_to _ abolitionism

Who's generalizing now?

(Yes, I'm aware that there are some christian denominations and congregations that were against slavery; IIRC, the Quakers were particularly anti-slavery and active in the Underground Railroad.  But using a false generalization to call out someone for generalizing seems poor form.)
 
2014-03-01 08:53:01 PM  
Maybe their hands are just in the air.. waiving them like they just don't care?
 
2014-03-01 08:54:22 PM  

tkil: (Yes, I'm aware that there are some christian denominations and congregations that were against slavery; IIRC, the Quakers were particularly anti-slavery and active in the Underground Railroad. But using a false generalization to call out someone for generalizing seems poor form.)


I think you misunderstood what I said; I wasn't claiming the entirety of the abolitionist movement was Christian or based upon Christian dogma, I was pointing out that people *also* used Christianity to support their views against it. The use of the word "whole" was snarky, not descriptive. I wasn't generalizing, just being loose with wording.
 
rpm
2014-03-01 08:56:53 PM  

CanisNoir: rpm: CanisNoir: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.

Except for those that used religion to support slavery. You'd really call both of those groups the Christian Right?

They both claimed to follow the Christian relgion so, yea, I would. I believe those that used it to support slavery were misinterpreting the message, but like all other institutions it's nice to see Christianity has grown past that particular hang up. Slavery wasn't limited to Christian areas of the world, so it's kind of wrong to paint the religion as some how being responsible for that institution.


They're both Christian, but Christian Right? I don't see it.

And misinterpreting? The bible gives explicit rules for slavery. How is that not condoning? How is that in any way a misinterpretation?

You're right, it can be wrong to paint religion as being responsible for slavery. But for continuing it? It deserves quite a bit of blame there.
 
2014-03-01 09:01:00 PM  

rpm: CanisNoir: rpm: CanisNoir: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.

Except for those that used religion to support slavery. You'd really call both of those groups the Christian Right?

They both claimed to follow the Christian relgion so, yea, I would. I believe those that used it to support slavery were misinterpreting the message, but like all other institutions it's nice to see Christianity has grown past that particular hang up. Slavery wasn't limited to Christian areas of the world, so it's kind of wrong to paint the religion as some how being responsible for that institution.

They're both Christian, but Christian Right? I don't see it.

And misinterpreting? The bible gives explicit rules for slavery. How is that not condoning? How is that in any way a misinterpretation?

You're right, it can be wrong to paint religion as being responsible for slavery. But for continuing it? It deserves quite a bit of blame there.


No, it doesn't, humanity deserves all the blame for continuing it. Just as humanity latched on to Social Darwinism, we will always find a tool to use to further our aims. I mean, it's not like in the absence of Christianity, slavery would have died out sooner.
 
2014-03-01 09:01:07 PM  

shtychkn: So it will end up being full of closeted gay Republicans?


I give it about 10-15 years before the stories of horrendous abuse by the adults start coming out.
 
2014-03-01 09:02:13 PM  
ts4.mm.bing.net
Time to dust this old boy off.
 
2014-03-01 09:06:55 PM  
TRAIL LIFE is an anagram for LITER FAIL.

Coincidence?

I think not.
 
rpm
2014-03-01 09:07:11 PM  

CanisNoir: rpm: CanisNoir: rpm: CanisNoir: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

Except for that whole abolition movement. You shouldn't generalize like that, makes you come off like a closed minded biggot.

Except for those that used religion to support slavery. You'd really call both of those groups the Christian Right?

They both claimed to follow the Christian relgion so, yea, I would. I believe those that used it to support slavery were misinterpreting the message, but like all other institutions it's nice to see Christianity has grown past that particular hang up. Slavery wasn't limited to Christian areas of the world, so it's kind of wrong to paint the religion as some how being responsible for that institution.

They're both Christian, but Christian Right? I don't see it.

And misinterpreting? The bible gives explicit rules for slavery. How is that not condoning? How is that in any way a misinterpretation?

You're right, it can be wrong to paint religion as being responsible for slavery. But for continuing it? It deserves quite a bit of blame there.

No, it doesn't, humanity deserves all the blame for continuing it. Just as humanity latched on to Social Darwinism, we will always find a tool to use to further our aims. I mean, it's not like in the absence of Christianity, slavery would have died out sooner.


Nope, don't agree with you. Religion is used as a socially acceptable excuse for things, sometimes good things, sometime bad things. Let things be judged on their own merits, don't put impediments in the way. I would blame religion for extending the acceptability of slavery, it's used as a salve to the conscience.
 
2014-03-01 09:07:42 PM  

markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...


Oh my god they're toasting S'mews!
 
2014-03-01 09:09:32 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I thought that, too - but what are the chances that the kids all had their arms so close to the same position at the same time, if they were all moving them around?


If they were all singing the same song, and performing the same movements to said song, I'd say the odds are pretty damn good.
 
2014-03-01 09:09:41 PM  

Gleeman: Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.

Taps has lyrics? First I heard of it and I spent a career in the military.

/off to teh Googles


Yes, it has lyrics.
 
2014-03-01 09:17:10 PM  

Aquapope: Stinkyy: No one is born a homosexual. This is not true, but this is considered a good and natural thing.  But just try pointing out that Everybody is born an Atheist! That will get you a whole lot of nowhere.


Not true. When we are born we are all monotheists. There is an enormous, all-powerful, all-giving incomprehensible Source of Life Itself. It is called "Mama"
 
2014-03-01 09:17:43 PM  

tkil: NephilimNexus: Religion has always been used as a front for racism.  Always has been, always will be.  At least they Christian Right is finally showing their true colors.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
(Common paraphrase of a few different things that Sinclair Lewis actually did say:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sinclair_Lewis#Misattributed, see also http://english.illinoisstate.edu/sinclairlewis/ )

And if you don't already have the keywords handy, it's "christian dominionists".  *shudder*


It will be wrapped in the cross and carrying a flag? That sounds uncomfortable, although more plausible.
 
2014-03-01 09:17:55 PM  
Don't put your membership on your resume.

The company I work for has a policy where they do not hire members of hate groups.
 
2014-03-01 09:19:39 PM  
Well, I did nazi where this was Göering.
 
2014-03-01 09:30:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: To those saying "they were just singing Taps and the photo was taken out of context": I've done taps in Girl Scouts, 4-H and flag retreat ceremonies, and I've NEVER seen it done with all the participants standing in a circle and at any point holding their arms outstretched at shoulder height. That explanation just sounds fishy to me.


I have. I only remembered it when I read your comment. But we used both hands. I remember at "gone the sun, from the lake, from the hills, from the sky" we moved our hands progressively upwards.

http://www.gslakemomscoutnotes.com/2012/05/song-day-is-donetaps/
 
2014-03-01 09:34:23 PM  

voodoolady: Gyrfalcon: To those saying "they were just singing Taps and the photo was taken out of context": I've done taps in Girl Scouts, 4-H and flag retreat ceremonies, and I've NEVER seen it done with all the participants standing in a circle and at any point holding their arms outstretched at shoulder height. That explanation just sounds fishy to me.

I have. I only remembered it when I read your comment. But we used both hands. I remember at "gone the sun, from the lake, from the hills, from the sky" we moved our hands progressively upwards.

http://www.gslakemomscoutnotes.com/2012/05/song-day-is-donetaps/


Don't get me wrong. I think the explanation is fishy too. Because two hands, I guess? It does make a difference, because you hold it there for the line of the song. So if you're just using one hand, it would look like the Nazi salute.
 
2014-03-01 09:35:00 PM  

COMALite J: Gleeman: Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"
...  Taps has lyrics? First I heard of it and I spent a career in the military.

Yes, it has lyrics.


http://www.west-point.org/taps/Taps.html
There are no official words to the music but here are some of the more popular verses:

Day is done, gone the sun,

From the hills, from the lake,

From the sky.

All is well, safely rest,

God is nigh.


Go to sleep, peaceful sleep,

May the soldier or sailor,

God keep.

On the land or the deep,

Safe in sleep.


Love, good night, Must thou go,

When the day, And the night

Need thee so?

All is well. Speedeth all

To their rest.


Fades the light; And afar

Goeth day, And the stars

Shineth bright,

Fare thee well; Day has gone,

Night is on.


Thanks and praise, For our days,

'Neath the sun, Neath the stars,

'Neath the sky,

As we go, This we know,

God is nigh.


And those are just the more popular clean non-racist non-bigoted versions.
 
2014-03-01 09:35:58 PM  

akula: cato113: Do they have no sense of self awareness or am I the real racist for pointing that out?

The caption says they're "moving their arms with the singing of Taps" so I suspect that while it is possible that these folks don't have enough brains to fill a matchbox even without removing the matches first, it is also entirely possible that of any number of photos that were taken that one is the most damning when removed from any context. But that depends on the news media ripping a photo out of context without informing the public. And we all know that would NEVER happen.


I'm sort of in agreement with you here. Not knowing what the motions were, it really feels like this was taken out of context. Maybe they were throwing the Nazi salute and screaming sieg heil at the top of their lungs. Or maybe they were moving their arms in some other way and the photographer picked this particular photo for no particular reason except it happens to look like they're posing like nazis.

I've got no love for these guys, but honestly, when the photographer and the editor agree on this pic to lead with, it feels like they're trying to demonize them. Feels excessive to me; their philosophy is already wrongheaded and doesn't stand on its own, the rest seems like overkill.
 
2014-03-01 09:39:06 PM  

anuran: Aquapope: Stinkyy: No one is born a homosexual. This is not true, but this is considered a good and natural thing.  But just try pointing out that Everybody is born an Atheist! That will get you a whole lot of nowhere.

Not true. When we are born we are all monotheists. There is an enormous, all-powerful, all-giving incomprehensible Source of Life Itself. It is called "Mama"


But MAMA has two boobs, so we're all born polytheists, if only two.
 
2014-03-01 10:05:34 PM  

slotz: Ghastly: Now this is going to cause a fuhrer.

A close second!


fusillade762: Sounds like they're taking their ball and going home.


I'd say this wins, but I'm thinking I'm the only one that got this.
 
2014-03-01 10:19:23 PM  
There are only so many ways to salute.  That said, they picked the wrong way.
 
2014-03-01 10:20:17 PM  

markie_farkie: Next up, Mein Kampfire Girls...


Damn, that was perfect, right out of the chute.
 
2014-03-01 10:20:58 PM  
FTA: "All of the families in his Trail Life unit belong to the home-schooling association."

Get 'em young, keep 'em stupid. Worked in the 1930's, works today.

/seriously, WTF'ingF?
//can't wait to see their uniforms
///something in brown
 
2014-03-01 10:22:52 PM  

walkerhound: mongbiohazard: OH COME ON! Seriously?!?!? The frigging Nazi salute?

err...see fusillade762's post above.


I saw it, and I'm not buying it.
 
2014-03-01 10:37:54 PM  
Oh, cool. I get to add more homophobic bigots to my list. I always love threads such as these as the bigots out themselves so willingly and completely.

Guess what, this thread will never forget your bigotry. If you've already outed yourself, be prepared to be reminded of it later, and this thread pointed out for all to see. Or just drop your account and make another.

I'll make sure this thread gets posted elsewhere as an example of ignorance and hate against fellow human beings guised under the banner of Religion.

In the meantime, please proceed.
 
2014-03-01 10:39:11 PM  
HairBolus:

Great. Now some idiot at Fark has changed the comment editing code such that centering adds an extra blank line between every line between preview and posting.
 
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