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(MSN)   Christian anti-gays create Trail Life USA as an alternative to Boy Scouts, with the cutest little loyalty salute you'll see all day   (news.msn.com) divider line 204
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2014-03-01 06:24:44 PM  

hotrod2001: Been a scout for over 20 years, "morally straight" to me always meant being straight with your decisions, your ethics, your morals...not necessarily "straight" orientation.  Churches abandoning scout troops because of this and taking away a place and group that kids, a lot of which don't have a lot of other options other than getting into crime or gangs, to me is more off-moral than being inclusive.


I hope some of those years are as a Scoutmaster, or else you're the oldest Boy Scout in the world and too old to make Eagle.

/Son was one.
 
2014-03-01 06:25:11 PM  

freetomato: "Cool!  Can I join?"

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I'd just like to say I'm amazed how well that movie holds up, and how weirdly frickin' funny it is in spots.

And that kid looks like Sterling Archer.
 
2014-03-01 06:25:12 PM  
It's not a pledge, they're just doing their own version of the Hokey-Pokey
 
2014-03-01 06:26:43 PM  
How many days until the followup about rampant molestation?
 
2014-03-01 06:27:49 PM  
My kid couldnt get in to the Boy Scouts because we didnt go to a church and now this shiat is happening two years later.  WTF is going on?
 
2014-03-01 06:27:54 PM  

akula:
The caption says they're "moving their arms with the singing of Taps" so I suspect that while it is possible that these folks don't have enough brains to fill a matchbox even without removing the matches first, it is also entirely possible that of any number of photos that were taken that one is the most damning when removed from any context. But that depends on the news media ripping a photo out of context without informing the public. And we all know that would NEVER happen.


Ain't arguing with you there, however, I don't believe that a bunch of kids are moving their arms with the singing of Taps in such precise choreography that when that picture was taken not a single kid had a hand that was a little farther up, down, left, or fight from any other kid.
 
2014-03-01 06:30:39 PM  
Personally, I like this:
<i>"We grant membership to adults and youth who do not engage in or promote sexual immorality of any kind, or engage in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the program." </i>

So, we'll get to hear lots of stories about teen boys upset over being forced out after popping a cherry after Homecoming or Prom, right?
 
2014-03-01 06:33:20 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.


The nazi salute was not a fixed arm, it moved from the heart to the extended position.
 
2014-03-01 06:34:34 PM  

Paris1127: leevis: Looks pretty close to the black power salute.

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Oh yeah, totally the same...


Just a few clenched fingers away.
 
2014-03-01 06:36:02 PM  

soporific: mongbiohazard: OH COME ON! Seriously?!?!? The frigging Nazi salute? There's absolutely 100% no farking way that the folks inventing this group have any confusion about EXACTLY who they're emulating. That is not unintentional.

This is the face of christianity which is souring people on the church. Yes, I am well aware that many believers are as disgusted as I am by the rise of satanic, christianity-twisting, blasphemous evangelicals like this - the folks who hate gays so much they are obsessed about ostracizing them in every way they can get away with. But these folks are the ones who are out there getting the attention for the faith. And they're not just a tiny fringe, this is modern "evangelical christianity" - what a large swath of American christians believe in. They've successfully steered the course of public discourse to the point that they are now the mainstream public view of what christianity stands for in America, and that for some reason our public policies are supposed to kowtow to this vile poison of christian teachings.

I don't believe in the devil, but if I did I'm sure you could rest assured that he'd be quite supportive of their efforts and firmly a member of the evangelical community. There'd be no better way he could steer the faithful away from the teachings of Jesus.

As a Christian I really can't disagree with you. I hate the fact that "Love your neighbor" isn't nearly as important as "no homo." That caring for the poor, the sick, the oppressed is less important than low taxes and being able to legally discriminate against gays. If there is a devil, he's doing a damn fine job of taking Christianity down from the inside.

One of my bucket list goals in life, I've decided, is to get internet ordained and perform a gay wedding. I thought doing so would be difficult in Texas, but as of this week, that might be less tough than I thought.


Many years ago I got legally ordained through the back of the Weekly World news and I performed two weddings for friends - albeit straight friends. The process was...... hilariously easy, but just to be on the safe side we had both couples get married by the county clerk's office too, quietly before the weddings. I then did the ceremony as the officiant. It was pretty fun, though also a bit stressful.

CSB: at the reception for the first one I did, the gigantic oak of a man who was their bartender - and Irish catholic - was keeping his eye on me while I was hobnobbing and drinking. Any time he'd see my glass getting low he'd halt the line of people at the bar, then rush out and fill my glass to the brim with a playful sounding, "Here you go father." (I did dress the part, with a collar and all) I was quickly completely blotto. I don't remember the videographer coming around to me, but my friends say he did, and I'm on his video quite blatantly totally and completely shiatfaced saying, "I just... I just... I love these guys... They're like my best friends... I love these guys, man!!" and etc.... I was embarrassed, but they were highly amused. I didn't cause a scene or anything, I'm a curiously self-controlled drunk.
 
2014-03-01 06:40:55 PM  
Can you just imagine the meetings.

"OK childrens. We iz gonna lern how to suck the venom from a snake. Just let me unzip ma pants and..."

/Ned Beatty weeps for your poor anus's souls.
//Have a seat over there--------------->
 
2014-03-01 06:41:28 PM  

tkil: enry: Goddammitsomuch

/Eagle scout

This might actually be a very good thing: if all the really extreme right-wing types leave BSA, then maybe BSA can become more accepting.  Not holding my breath, but anything that can help revert the stranglehold that various christian-ish religions have on the BSA can only be a good thing.

I already had to leave BSA due to my [lack of] religious beliefs; the anti-homosexual stuff was just one more reason to stay away -- and that pisses me off, because I feel that I had some good times and learned some useful lessons through my time in scouting (Eagle in 1990, Nat'l Jamboree 1989, World Jamboree 1991).  I wish my kids could have had some of those same experiences, but I couldn't stomach the necessary hypocrisy.


Out of curiosity, where was the national Jamboree that year?
 
2014-03-01 06:44:01 PM  
Will they have blackjack and hookers?
 
2014-03-01 06:44:02 PM  

hotrod2001: Been a scout for over 20 years, "morally straight" to me always meant being straight with your decisions, your ethics, your morals...not necessarily "straight" orientation.  Churches abandoning scout troops because of this and taking away a place and group that kids, a lot of which don't have a lot of other options other than getting into crime or gangs, to me is more off-moral than being inclusive.


Pretty much this. I'll say this much, although I'm an atheist, my wife is Lutheran, and raises my kids as such. My son has learned so much about being a decent human being from scouting. He's learned a bunch about responsibility and respecting others. He's learned about teamwork and ethics. I can say with complete honesty that I can see these things in his character. He hasn't just been taught these things from scouting, he applies them to his life. He's a great kid.

Church has taught him about the Godhead and about Martin Luther. They've taught them their Lutheran customs, prayers, traditions and ceremonies. They've done nothing to contribute to his character. I'd bet money that this pseudo-christian scouting alternative organization does the same. Instead of applying emphasis on being a decent human being, emphasis will be on blind nationalism and christian dogma. Maybe they'll prove me wrong. I doubt it though.
 
2014-03-01 06:46:01 PM  
Wow, I did not see that coming.
 
2014-03-01 06:46:43 PM  
To those saying "they were just singing Taps and the photo was taken out of context": I've done taps in Girl Scouts, 4-H and flag retreat ceremonies, and I've NEVER seen it done with all the participants standing in a circle and at any point holding their arms outstretched at shoulder height. That explanation just sounds fishy to me.
 
2014-03-01 06:47:37 PM  

Salem Witch: akula:
The caption says they're "moving their arms with the singing of Taps" so I suspect that while it is possible that these folks don't have enough brains to fill a matchbox even without removing the matches first, it is also entirely possible that of any number of photos that were taken that one is the most damning when removed from any context. But that depends on the news media ripping a photo out of context without informing the public. And we all know that would NEVER happen.

Ain't arguing with you there, however, I don't believe that a bunch of kids are moving their arms with the singing of Taps in such precise choreography that when that picture was taken not a single kid had a hand that was a little farther up, down, left, or fight from any other kid.


So this new group has really great choreography and yet no gay folks? I find that hard to fathom.
 
2014-03-01 06:47:50 PM  
 
2014-03-01 06:51:37 PM  
Got Mitt Uns?
 
2014-03-01 06:53:19 PM  

tkil: This might actually be a very good thing: if all the really extreme right-wing types leave BSA, then maybe BSA can become more accepting. Not holding my breath, but anything that can help revert the stranglehold that various christian-ish religions have on the BSA can only be a good thing.


Except that the Trailer Trash exclude Mormons which are a major religious force in the BSA organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_Life_USA
All charters of Trail Life USA must pledge to follow a Trinitarian "Statement of Faith" (which would exclude Mormon Christians, Jehovah's Witness Christians, Jews, etc).

While the BSA requires religion it is less exclusive and allows for example Islam and Buddhism.

I'm sure most members would be fine if it was made "whites only" officially rather effectively.
 
2014-03-01 06:53:35 PM  
Gott Mit Uns?
 
2014-03-01 06:56:17 PM  

ghambone: Gott Mit Uns?


Arbeit Macht Frei is next week.
 
2014-03-01 06:56:31 PM  

IamTomJoad: tkil: ... I feel that I had some good times and learned some useful lessons through my time in scouting (Eagle in 1990, Nat'l Jamboree 1989, World Jamboree 1991).  I wish my kids could have had some of those same experiences, but I couldn't stomach the necessary hypocrisy.

Out of curiosity, where was the national Jamboree that year?


From memory, it was from the same place they had it every time (Fort A.P. Hill or something like that), until they had to go off gov't property due to being a private club that chose the right to discriminate.

Now to check facts...

Wikipedia largely agrees on the locations:
Following the disruption of World War II, the next jamboree was not held until 1950 in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Subsequent jamborees have been held around the country as a means to promoting Scouting nationally. From 1981 to 2010, the jamboree was located in Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia. Beginning in 2013, jamborees will be permanently held at The Summit: Bechtel Family National Scout Reserve in Mount Hope, West Virginia.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scout_jamboree_%28Boy_Scouts_of _ America%29

But apparently BSA is still allowed to use federal / military grounds (ACLU sued, they won at first but it was reversed on appeal due to lack of standing, and some [IMHO] wishy-washy "well, it's training for the DoD, so it's ok if the DoD supports a discriminatory private club.").  Relevant link for that one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winkler_v._Rumsfeld

/god damn it fark, your new comment editor is craptastic.
 
2014-03-01 06:57:42 PM  

HairBolus: While the BSA requires religion it is less exclusive and allows for example Islam and Buddhism.

I'm sure most members would be fine if it was made "whites only" officially rather effectively.


Not sure where you were a scout but here in the DC area you get a pretty good diversity in membership.
 
2014-03-01 06:57:56 PM  
"It felt like I'd be hitting something higher than Eagle in terms of achievement," Andrew said, in an interview.

*sigh* You just want to sit him down, put your hand on his shoulder, look him in the eyes and say "Son, none of this will mean jack shiat to you in 5 years."
 
2014-03-01 06:59:28 PM  
Too soon?
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2014-03-01 06:59:39 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.


Taps has lyrics? First I heard of it and I spent a career in the military.

/off to teh Googles
 
2014-03-01 07:01:41 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: "Trail Life members move their arms as they sing "Taps" during a meeting"

But yes, let's assume that we're looking at a picture of kids emulating Nazis. That'll fit the narrative much better.


I thought that, too - but what are the chances that the kids all had their arms so close to the same position at the same time, if they were all moving them around?
 
2014-03-01 07:01:47 PM  
To be fair, that is a great way to spot the limp wrists.
 
2014-03-01 07:05:33 PM  

iaazathot: The nazi salute was not a fixed arm, it moved from the heart to the extended position.


So Rudolf Hess and some guy named Adolf are doing it wrong?
 
2014-03-01 07:10:30 PM  
Wow, looks like the abnormals are out to pene this group just as much as they did the BSA.  Those homos really want to be around our kids.
 
2014-03-01 07:18:50 PM  
Trail Life = Liar Filet
 
2014-03-01 07:19:18 PM  
By Brian Fisher
TRUTH # 1
Homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.
Absolutely true. Homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, yet according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual pedophiles are responsible for 33% of all child sex offenses. Homosexuals molest children at at least 10 times the rate of heterosexuals.
TRUTH # 2
Same-sex parents harm children.
Research indicates that children raised by homosexuals experiment with sexually aberrant behaviors at a higher rate than children raised by heterosexuals and at earlier ages, and do worse, according to a 1996 study by an Austrian sociologist, in nine of 13 academic and social categories compared to children raised by heterosexual married couples.
A 2001 article in American Sociological Review reported that children raised by lesbians are more likely to engage in homosexual behavior and are "more sexually adventurous."
TRUTH # 3
People become homosexual because they were sexually abused as children or there was a deficiency in sex-role modeling by their parents.
Initial sexual experiences have a powerful imprinting affect on the psyche of young children. Being abused by a same-sex adult leaves a child enormously confused and conflicted about his own sexuality. And counselors have long observed a connection between distant fathers, overbearing mothers, and homosexual tendencies in males who grow up in such households.
TRUTH # 4
Homosexuals don't live nearly as long as heterosexuals.
According to an extensive study of the homosexual community in Vancouver, B.C., active participation in the homosexual lifestyle will rob an individual of a significant portion of his life span. Say the researchers, "[L]ife expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men." In fact, they observe that participation in the homosexual lifestyle knocks life expectancy for a Canadian male back to what it was in 1871.
The Centers for Disease Control reports that homosexuals are 50 to 60 times more likely to become infected with AIDS than other groups. AIDS, of course, is often a fatal disease and thus has a dramatic impact on life expectancy. We spend billions and billions of dollars trying to keep children from taking up cigarette smoking because it will shorten lifespans by six or seven years. If we're going to spend that kind of money, it's time we spend some of it to stop children from taking up homosexual behavior as a habit, and for the same reason: it will kill you.
TRUTH # 5
Homosexuals controlled the Nazi Party and helped to orchestrate the Holocaust.
William Shirer, author of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," said, "But (in) the brown-shirted S.A...many of its top leaders, beginning with its chief, Roehm, were notorious homosexual perverts." Shirer observes at another point that of the men gathered around Hitler, not 10% of them were sexually normal. According to historian Samuel Inga, the assassination of Roehm and his associates in 1934 was carried out by other homosexuals at Hitler's behest for the purpose of protecting Hitler from a possible political threat from Roehm and from possible public exposure of his own homosexual proclivities. Inga says the assassins "were all known to be sex perverts or sexual maniacs of one type or another."
According to noted German historian Lothar Machtan, Hitler's own homosexuality is a well-established fact. He was denied military promotions in WWI because of sexual deviancy, and was well-known to the Munich police in the 1920s as a practicing homosexual. He later carried on a raging love affair with his deputy, Rudolf Hess. Hitler persecuted homosexuals as a means of self-protection. Says Machtan, "'Hitler himself never condemned homosexuality, but he allowed the persecution of gays in order to disguise his own true colours."
Nazi hunter Elie Wiesel points out in his book Night that homosexuality and pedophilia were frequent practices of concentration camp guards. He said of the head of his own tent in Auschwitz that, "like the leader of the camp, he loved children." He adds parenthetically, "[T]here was considerable traffic in young children among homosexuals here."
TRUTH # 6
Hate crime laws will lead to the jailing of pastors who criticize homosexuality and the legalization of practices like bestiality and necrophilia.
A 74-year-old grandmother in Philadephia faced 47 years on prison for doing nothing more than standing on a public sidewalk and declaring the biblical truth about homosexuality during a gay pride parade. Street preachers in England have been arrested for doing the same thing. Pastor Ake Green of Sweden narrowly avoided a two-year prison sentence for teaching a biblical view of homosexuality in his own church from his own pulpit. The risk of going to jail for telling the truth about homosexuality is very real.
TRUTH # 7
Allowing homosexuals to serve openly would damage the armed forces.
One survey of active duty personnel revealed that 10% of them would definitely leave the armed services if homosexuals are allowed to serve, and another 14% would seriously consider it. You cannot lose almost a quarter of your officers and service members and not have it damage the military. The leaked Pentagon survey indicates that at least 30% of the active duty service members who returned the survey expect negative effects from lifting the ban. Only an intellectually blind and deaf individual would say this will have no deleterious affect on retention, recruitment and readiness. Marine Corps commandant Gen. James Amos has said quite publicly that virtually every Marine he has talked to opposes repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," and he has said such a repeal will have a negative impact on "unit cohesion" and "combat effectiveness."
TRUTH # 8
Homosexuals are more prone to be mentally ill and to abuse drugs and alcohol.
Even the pro-homosexual Gay and Lesbian Medical Association admits that homosexuals "use substances at a higher rate than the general population," have "higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse," and are subject to higher rates of "depression and anxiety." Homosexual activists attempt to blame homophobia for this, but the same trends are evident even in Scandinavian countries where homosexuality has received virtually unanimous societal approval for decades.
TRUTH # 9
No one is born a homosexual.
No researcher has ever even claimed to have discovered the "gay gene." And I'm convinced that homosexuals now don't want to find it even if it's there, for fear that advances in pre-natal genetic screening will lead to the systematic abortion of babies who carry the suspect genetic marker. They know what happens to Down syndrome babies in the womb. Even if there is some innate disposition toward homosexual behavior, no human being is compelled to yield to every sexual impulse he experiences. You can ask Tiger Woods about that. Homosexual behavior is always, always, a matter of choice.
TRUTH # 10
Gay people can choose to leave homosexuality.
When I pastored, happily married ex-homosexuals spoke in my church about their journey from homosexuality to heterosexuality. Change is clearly and without question possible. Even Dr. Robert Sptizer, who led the effort to declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973, now admits as much. Says Spitzer, "The changes following reparative therapy were not limited to sexual behavior and sexual orientation self-identity...(but) encompassed the core aspects of sexual orientation."
People leave the homosexual lifestyle every day, just like people stop abusing drugs and alcohol every day. Any addiction to a self-destructive behavior can be broken with determination accompanied by the right kind of spiritual and emotional support.
It's also worth noting that homosexual behavior is so dangerous and risky that the FDA - hardly a member of the vast, right-wing conspiracy - will not allow a male to donate blood if he has had sex even one time with another male in the last 33 years.
And the CDC - again, not a right-wing think tank - has found that of all the males who have been diagnosed with HIV/AIDS in the history of the epidemic, 91% of them got it either through having sex with other males or through injection drug abuse. Clearly, homosexual behavior is as dangerous to human health as shooting up with illicit drugs. No sane society should ever endorse and grant special rights and protections based on either kind of behavior.
Until the Southern Poverty Law Center adds the FDA and the CDC to its list of "hate" groups, there is no reason to think that either the AFA or the FRC belongs on that list. In point of fact, we are "truth" groups, not "hate" groups. And you can't go wrong telling people the truth about behavior that could destroy them. We're sticking with the FDA and the CDC on this one.
 
2014-03-01 07:21:56 PM  

Stinkyy: Wow, looks like the abnormals are out to pene this group just as much as they did the BSA.  Those homos really want to be around our kids.


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2014-03-01 07:22:12 PM  

mongbiohazard: OH COME ON! Seriously?!?!? The frigging Nazi salute?


err...see fusillade762's post above.
 
2014-03-01 07:26:49 PM  
What the f*ck was that? All that....stuff?
 
2014-03-01 07:27:03 PM  
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2014-03-01 07:34:23 PM  

Stinkyy: By Brian Fisher


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2014-03-01 07:36:36 PM  
This group needs some sort of symbol, say one from the southwest US.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#North_America
 
2014-03-01 07:37:57 PM  

HairBolus: tkil: This might actually be a very good thing: if all the really extreme right-wing types leave BSA, then maybe BSA can become more accepting. Not holding my breath, but anything that can help revert the stranglehold that various christian-ish religions have on the BSA can only be a good thing.

Except that the Trailer Trash exclude Mormons which are a major religious force in the BSA organization.


Well, fark. That's one of the biggest contingents that I'd like to see leave BSA.

While the BSA requires religion it is less exclusive and allows for example Islam and Buddhism.

Completely agreed. It just frustrates me that an organization that could do so much good is kneecapped by one clause ("Duty to God" could be easily fixed) and a big pile of right-wing authoritarians (harder to fix). It's always been clear to me that "morally straight" is about integrity, not orientation...

I'm sure most members would be fine if it was made "whites only" officially rather effectively.

In my experience BSA membership was generally representative of the local population, with the caveat that effective participation often requires adult help (with supplies and travel if nothing else), and if you have parent(s) that are already working 2-3 jobs to pay rent and buy basic food, it's unlikely that they'll have time or money for regular scouting let alone Jamborees etc.

I did most of my Scouting in southern New Mexico, and there were plenty of Latino / Hispanic kids in the group -- but finding funds and drivers for even basic camping was often tough.
 
2014-03-01 07:38:02 PM  

ghambone: Gott Mit Uns?


Yeah, I'm good. Thanks.
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2014-03-01 07:53:02 PM  

Stinkyy: By Brian Fisher
TRUTH # 1
Homosexuals molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.
Absolutely true. Homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, yet according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual pedophiles are responsible for 33% of all child sex offenses. Homosexuals molest children at at least 10 times the rate of heterosexuals.


Doing some quick math, 67% of all child sex offenses are then made by heterosexual pedophiles.

Hmm. All aboard the failboat.
 
2014-03-01 07:55:00 PM  

mongbiohazard: Many years ago I got legally ordained through the back of the Weekly World news and I performed two weddings for friends - albeit straight friends. The process was...... hilariously easy, but just to be on the safe side we had both couples get married by the county clerk's office too, quietly before the weddings. I then did the ceremony as the officiant. It was pretty fun, though also a bit stressful.

CSB: at the reception for the first one I did, the gigantic oak of a man who was their bartender - and Irish catholic - was keeping his eye on me while I was hobnobbing and drinking. Any time he'd see my glass getting low he'd halt the line of people at the bar, then rush out and fill my glass to the brim with a playful sounding, "Here you go father." (I did dress the part, with a collar and all) I was quickly completely blotto. I don't remember the videographer coming around to me, but my friends say he did, and I'm on his video quite blatantly totally and completely shiatfaced saying, "I just... I just... I love these guys... They're like my best friends... I love these guys, man!!" and etc.... I was embarrassed, but they were highly amused. I didn't cause a scene or anything, I'm a curiously self-controlled drunk.


I'm a minister in the Universal Life Church, which is to say I sent in $5.  I have officiated at 3 weddings, but not because I'm a cheap internet minister - in Kansas (of all places) you don't have to be anything to officiate.  You don't even need somebody to officiate, all you have to do is declare you are married (both of you, of course, otherwise I'd be married to Mila Kunis and Scarlett Johansson).  So, in Kansas, two people just have to say "we're married" and fill out the paperwork and that's it.  If they're opposite sex.  And over 13.
 )
 
2014-03-01 07:56:11 PM  
It looks like they were moving their arms to a song and they were photoed (or a still taken from a video) at the one part of the song that looks like that. So yeah, that's pretty farked up to take something out of context like that.
 
2014-03-01 07:56:25 PM  

hotrod2001: Been a scout for over 20 years, "morally straight" to me always meant being straight with your decisions, your ethics, your morals...not necessarily "straight" orientation.  Churches abandoning scout troops because of this and taking away a place and group that kids, a lot of which don't have a lot of other options other than getting into crime or gangs, to me is more off-moral than being inclusive.


Baden-Powell was pretty damn gay for his day. No idea if he actually was, but the guy wasn't married until his 50's and even then apparently didn't like sharing the same bed as his wife.
 
2014-03-01 07:58:28 PM  
You're doing it wrong!  You need to put a little sass in it:

hermes-images.aggrego.com
 
2014-03-01 07:58:30 PM  
I love a good Taps sing-a-long. God Bless these boys.
 
2014-03-01 07:59:30 PM  

Gyrfalcon: What the f*ck was that? All that....stuff?


Derp Spam.
 
2014-03-01 08:00:44 PM  

tkil: HairBolus: tkil: This might actually be a very good thing: if all the really extreme right-wing types leave BSA, then maybe BSA can become more accepting. Not holding my breath, but anything that can help revert the stranglehold that various christian-ish religions have on the BSA can only be a good thing.

Except that the Trailer Trash exclude Mormons which are a major religious force in the BSA organization.

Well, fark. That's one of the biggest contingents that I'd like to see leave BSA.
...
I'm sure most members would be fine if it was made "whites only" officially rather effectively.

In my experience BSA membership was generally representative of the local population, with the caveat that effective participation often requires adult help (with supplies and travel if nothing else), ...


I could have been clearer in what I wrote, I meant
"I'm sure most members (of Trail Life) would be fine if it was made "whites only" officially rather effectively."
 
2014-03-01 08:00:52 PM  
Well that was an easy plonking decision.
 
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