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(Some Guy)   TSA is now searching your luggage for Bitcoin. Shiny metal bitcoin   ( dailyanarchist.com) divider line
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2014-03-01 06:16:48 PM  
6 votes:
The level of retardation with the TSA has reached epic per portions Just when you thought the derp and herp couldn't get any thicker, they are looking for coins that don't exist. Seems more like they were interested in stealing his valuables than looking for an actual threat. Seems more like a mugging than a security check.
433 [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2014-03-01 05:52:25 PM  
6 votes:
This guy didn't seem to know the difference between civil inconvenience and making trouble for himself/being a nuisance.  Exercise your rights freely.  Also, nobody likes a dick.  Asking the TSA explicitly to "not touch your dick" doesn't help you sail smoothly.  No one is asking for your allegiance, just your cooperation.  I'm trying hard not to invoke a Godwin.
2014-03-01 07:28:41 PM  
5 votes:
Goofus displays suspicious behavior to employees looking for suspicious behavior.

Gallant answers their questions and offers information to explain his strange luggage.

Goofus invites a tense confrontation with jack-booted Nazis and wastes hours being terrified of the sinister security state.

Gallant never meets the jack-booted Nazis and enjoys a pleasant flight.

This idiot is so fortunate he was born white otherwise he'd have never survived his first police pull-over.
2014-03-01 07:23:49 PM  
4 votes:
Ok.
1. Douche at airport.
2. Acts like douche.
3. Gets treated like douche.
4. Whines like a douche.
5. Writes long-winded douche-blog.

Why didn't TSA just shoot him? I'd watch it on YouTube.
2014-03-01 06:23:23 PM  
4 votes:
Rough translation: Guy acts like gigantic douche to security personnel. Security personnel, seeing he is wearing a bitcoin shirt and has a collection of bitcoin in his luggage buttons, decides to use that as an excuse to screw with him a bit.
2014-03-01 08:02:55 PM  
3 votes:

www.bitcoinnotbombs.com


Looks to get a reaction, surprised when he gets one.

2014-03-01 07:52:44 PM  
3 votes:
So the TSA doesn't know how bitcoins work, and is concerned man might be flying internationally with greater than $10,000, which must be declared. So instead of saying "no" when asked if he's flying internationally, which would have immediately ended his terrifying ordeal, he argues, won't answer questions and starts peeing in his pants at the prospect of a long holiday at Guantanamo bay.
Thank God his friend Bill was there with his wife to answer the TSA's reasonable question with a simple no. Really scary stuff.
2014-03-01 06:34:49 PM  
3 votes:
there is this younger guy at work, friend of mine. (say 30ish) and a couple of months ago he was telling every one how bitcoins were the way of the FUTURE (say future to yourself the 50's newscaster voice). and me with an onion tied to my belt asked what backed up the virtual currency? he said nothing backs it up, just like the U.S. currency. I said yes, we are not on a gold standard anymore, but the United States is a real thing. It is a tangible thing. if something exists in cyberspace, it's not real, it's a fantasy that exists only as long as people believe it does.
/let's say everyone who has any vested interest in mtgox said "oh, wait the money really is still there, our bad"
//so this unicorn money is suddenly back again?
///like I said the U.S. is a thing, Russia is a thing.
////bitcoins are smoke and mirrors. just  Ponzi scheme for those get in early, rip every other sap off, then disappear with the money.
////then who do you call? fdic? visa? ghostbusters?
2014-03-01 06:27:55 PM  
3 votes:
1. If you act like a douche,  you'll be treated like a douche.

2. Yes, the TSA is quite capable of looking for Bitcoins as if they were real, physical "coins" and to be perplexed when they are unable to find them in your luggage.

Next, they will be trying to locate cloud storage on the actual cloud it is stored on, and be concerned a terrorist might fly a plane into the cloud and knock all the files off of it.
2014-03-01 06:23:44 PM  
3 votes:
Read the first paragraph, wondered what I am reading, looked at the sitename and decided to not waste my time. I'm sure this well adjusted individual is an objective reporter and all but no way I'm reading a wall of text like that on a site that calls itself the daily anarchist.
2014-03-01 11:04:01 PM  
2 votes:
In a related piece, 13 years of Nazi douchebaggery has brought forth, wait for it, douchebag backlash.  It's the circle of suck.
2014-03-01 10:37:57 PM  
2 votes:

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Why didn't TSA just shoot him? I'd watch it on YouTube.


Most TSOs don't carry sidearms.  Please don't give them any ideas.

It's disturbing enough that people making Federal Law Enforcement wages aren't smart enough to figure out that bitcoins aren't physical, or care that it isn't illegal to fly with any amount of any currency inside the US.

What's next?  Confiscating credit cards that have a limit over $10,000?
2014-03-01 08:28:42 PM  
2 votes:
The US dollar isn't backed by faith, it's backed by bombs.  Bombs that we drop on people who try to use anything else.
2014-03-01 08:09:09 PM  
2 votes:

rpm: bigbobowski: there is this younger guy at work, friend of mine. (say 30ish) and a couple of months ago he was telling every one how bitcoins were the way of the FUTURE (say future to yourself the 50's newscaster voice). and me with an onion tied to my belt asked what backed up the virtual currency? he said nothing backs it up, just like the U.S. currency. I said yes, we are not on a gold standard anymore, but the United States is a real thing. It is a tangible thing. if something exists in cyberspace, it's not real, it's a fantasy that exists only as long as people believe it does.
/let's say everyone who has any vested interest in mtgox said "oh, wait the money really is still there, our bad"
//so this unicorn money is suddenly back again?
///like I said the U.S. is a thing, Russia is a thing.
////bitcoins are smoke and mirrors. just  Ponzi scheme for those get in early, rip every other sap off, then disappear with the money.
////then who do you call? fdic? visa? ghostbusters?

US is a real thing. US currency? Notsomuch. It's only real because we say it is, nothing more. Most USD doesn't physically exist either, it's just numbers in a computer. Remember the savings and loans crash?

see, here is what you miss, currencies value and devalue. but what I am saying is that despite this, my country the United States exists, we have a sh*t load of land, apparently now I'm told a sh*t load of gas, despite what everyone says we do still make a lot of crap here. plus IT, Tech, all that goes with it.

this is why the world trusts the dollar.
/this is why we can get a loan.
//real things have a value
///bitcoins are for rubes
2014-03-01 07:19:32 PM  
2 votes:

rpm: mbillips:
U.S. currency is backed by the full faith and trust of the United States government. So far, that's been good for 224 years. As not real things go, it's pretty farkin' real.

How many debt standoffs have there been lately? Trust is a fragile thing.


Yeah. And when the us was down graded the markets were so scared that they pulled money out of the markets and invested in the us debt.
2014-03-01 06:59:16 PM  
2 votes:

rpm: bigbobowski: there is this younger guy at work, friend of mine. (say 30ish) and a couple of months ago he was telling every one how bitcoins were the way of the FUTURE (say future to yourself the 50's newscaster voice). and me with an onion tied to my belt asked what backed up the virtual currency? he said nothing backs it up, just like the U.S. currency. I said yes, we are not on a gold standard anymore, but the United States is a real thing. It is a tangible thing. if something exists in cyberspace, it's not real, it's a fantasy that exists only as long as people believe it does.
/let's say everyone who has any vested interest in mtgox said "oh, wait the money really is still there, our bad"
//so this unicorn money is suddenly back again?
///like I said the U.S. is a thing, Russia is a thing.
////bitcoins are smoke and mirrors. just  Ponzi scheme for those get in early, rip every other sap off, then disappear with the money.
////then who do you call? fdic? visa? ghostbusters?

US is a real thing. US currency? Notsomuch. It's only real because we say it is, nothing more. Most USD doesn't physically exist either, it's just numbers in a computer. Remember the savings and loans crash?


U.S. currency is backed by the full faith and trust of the United States government. So far, that's been good for 224 years. As not real things go, it's pretty farkin' real.
rpm
2014-03-01 06:45:25 PM  
2 votes:

bigbobowski: there is this younger guy at work, friend of mine. (say 30ish) and a couple of months ago he was telling every one how bitcoins were the way of the FUTURE (say future to yourself the 50's newscaster voice). and me with an onion tied to my belt asked what backed up the virtual currency? he said nothing backs it up, just like the U.S. currency. I said yes, we are not on a gold standard anymore, but the United States is a real thing. It is a tangible thing. if something exists in cyberspace, it's not real, it's a fantasy that exists only as long as people believe it does.
/let's say everyone who has any vested interest in mtgox said "oh, wait the money really is still there, our bad"
//so this unicorn money is suddenly back again?
///like I said the U.S. is a thing, Russia is a thing.
////bitcoins are smoke and mirrors. just  Ponzi scheme for those get in early, rip every other sap off, then disappear with the money.
////then who do you call? fdic? visa? ghostbusters?


US is a real thing. US currency? Notsomuch. It's only real because we say it is, nothing more. Most USD doesn't physically exist either, it's just numbers in a computer. Remember the savings and loans crash?
2014-03-01 06:19:37 PM  
2 votes:
Textbook example of looking for trouble.

I fly enough to find trouble without looking for it.
2014-03-02 01:51:36 PM  
1 vote:
mbillips:
U.S. currency is backed by the full faith and trust of the United States government. So far, that's been good for 224 years. As not real things go, it's pretty farkin' real.

What does that mean, that the dollar is "backed"? Right now, I can exchange a five-dollar bill for five ones, or bring it around to the tavern and exchange it for a beer. Does the "backing" that we're talking about ensure that the fiver is always good for five ones? (Probably, for what that's worth.) Does it mean it will always buy a beer? (No, because of inflation.)

So we all acknowledge that the Government of the United States of America may, at some future time, say, "Your dollar is still worth a whole dollar. For five of them, you can probably get a square of slightly-used toilet paper."

Thanks for the backing there, Uncle Sam.

I'm not picking on the dollar. Money is a cultural construct. All the above is true of any exchange medium. Even gold. Even Bitcoin. Gold has some great properties (doesn't corrode, good conductor, malleable, ductile, dense), but there's nothing intrinsically valuable about it. A thing has value if some other person will exchange another valuable thing for it; nothing has value intrinsically.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go buy that beer, while I still can.
pla
2014-03-02 12:25:21 PM  
1 vote:
noitsnot : So, what currencies aren't fiat?

Keep in mind that "fiat" doesn't mean "backed by nothing but a promise (or a sword)" - It means it has only whatever value some central authority says it has, no more and no less.  Similarly, "non-fiat" doesn't mean "backed by physical goods" - That refers to a commodity currency, a totally separate issue.

So as the obvious answer, Bitcoin - It gets its value through consent of the market participants, not through decree by the issuing "authority" (indeed, it has no issuing authority).

Bullion, for another (and indeed, all non-fractional commodity currencies) - Though that borders on barter, it uses a token currency of relatively stable value to get around the whole "but I don't need six hundred chickens or fifty yak pelts" problem.  Just about everyone (corporate America excluded) will accept silver.  Funny story, the second silver coin in my collection I got waaay back in the days of my youth, helping run a yardsale.  Someone offered me a silver eagle for an old TV, and I got to keep it as "payment" for helping out for the day.  Not even mimimum wage back then, but it made a 10YO kid happier than a hog in excrement.  :)

I could make a halfway decent argument for something like Canadian Tire money or WOW gold, where their trading value comes from the consent of the user base and has nothing to do with their intended use, but I think you get the picture here - Basically, all modern governments issue fiat money because they can.  You won't find Bolivia suddenly issuing pesos backed by the coca harvest, because then they can't just double the number of them with the stroke of a pen.  Similarly, the US will never go back on the gold standard, because then the Fed couldn't tax us through dilution of our savings.

Note that, while I would love to see a currency not subject to the whims of any central bank succeed, you shouldn't read me as one of the whackjobs who refuses to accept US Dollars as pay - US dollars very much count as a relatively stable token currency.  It does offend me deeply, though, that my savings earns 0.02% interest while inflation intentionally makes my liquid assets worth 3% per year.
pla
2014-03-02 09:23:04 AM  
1 vote:
orbister : Mmreally? Considering that every single currency in the world is fiat currency, and that they haven't all collapsed, I fear that you may be expressing wishful thinking rather than historical fact.

Do you have any idea what you've just said?

The Great British Pound counts as the oldest surviving government-issued currency in the world, by a good margin, and only came into existence in 760CE - Though in its original form, it didn't have value by fiat, it had value because it literally contained a pound of silver.  Not until 1694 and the founding of the Bank of England did the "Pound" become a proper fiat currency - A mere 320 years ago, the blink of an eye in historical terms.

320 years... Not a fan of the Roman empire, eh?  Or Persian?  Or 99% of the world's major civilizations, for that matter?
pla
2014-03-02 09:06:05 AM  
1 vote:
Disclaimer:  I hate the TSA as much as the next guy.  I hate ICE as much as the next guy.  I  consider AML regulations nothing short of discriminatory.

And all that said - Until recently, you could buy physical Bitcoins from Casascius, in 1BTC, 5BTC, and 25BTC denominations (I believe he offered a 1oz gold 100BTC at one point as well).  I even owned a few of the first two.

Now, as I said, I have zero respect for AML regs or ICE - But I suspect most of us know perfectly well that you can't take $10k (USD equivalent, in any hard currency) in or out of the country without declaring it.  Simple as that.  And for the average Joe who might plead ignorance, a swag-marketing self-proclaimed Libertarian crypto-anarchist doesn't get that same benefit of the doubt - He could probably recite a nice summary of CFR31§1010 from memory.

Now let's see what 2+2 equals... Guy has a tube of 50 "medallions" stamped with something that looks vaguely like the Bitcoin B⃦.  Bitcoin trades at between 500 and 1000 USD per BTC.  Assuming the more common 1BTC coins, that puts that tube as potentially worth up to 50k USD.

These guys just did their jobs (spare me the Nazi references, please), and asked a very, very simple question that the author refused to answer: "I was out of ideas. At that point I was certain I didn't want to say another word"... How about the simple phrase "no, I will not travel internationally today"?  Hmm?  Did that approach ever occur to you, just tell them the truth that made their involvement unnecessary?   Instead, lets play "antagonize people who can make your life very, very miserable".

No sympathy for the author here, despite philosophically agreeing with him completely.
2014-03-02 04:19:28 AM  
1 vote:

CraicBaby: 433: Rik01: the simple fact of being crammed sardine like into a metal cylinder with no way out once it takes off

I took lsd in LA International before boarding a flight to Hawaii.  It was mostly pleasant, but there was an overarching theme of "I'm in a flying box over the ocean, and I can't see who is piloting the damned thing.  In retrospect, I should not have done that.  It was a relief to land, greeted with a garland of flowers.

I once smoked a bowl just before going to the Vegas airport to fly home. Either the TSA didn't notice I was high as fark, or they didn't care.


Always get as stoned as possible before airport. It helps so so much.
2014-03-02 03:47:28 AM  
1 vote:
the ha ha guy:Fiat currency has always led to a collapse of that currency, even when the country was otherwise going strong.

Mmreally? Considering that every single currency in the world is fiat currency, and that they haven't all collapsed, I fear that you may be expressing wishful thinking rather than historical fact.
2014-03-02 01:04:09 AM  
1 vote:

fnordfocus: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Why didn't TSA just shoot him? I'd watch it on YouTube.

Most TSOs don't carry sidearms.  Please don't give them any ideas.

It's disturbing enough that people making Federal Law Enforcement wages aren't smart enough to figure out that bitcoins aren't physical, or care that it isn't illegal to fly with any amount of any currency inside the US.

What's next?  Confiscating credit cards that have a limit over $10,000?


Wages don't equal intellect. I mean, the government advertised TSA jobs on pizza boxes for fark's sake.
2014-03-01 10:21:32 PM  
1 vote:
At least this time their targeting worked.  Guy with lots of sharp metal in his backpack?  Yeah, search that one.
2014-03-01 08:26:14 PM  
1 vote:

Rik01: This is called basically acting like a jerk or dick, as other FARKers have noted
simply to be a pain in the arse. I used to see a lot of that back in the 60's. Then again, in the 80's.

In the 80's it was psuedo-intellectual Yuppies.

I don't fly, because of the expense, the simple fact of being crammed sardine like into a metal cylinder with no way out once it takes off and from entering the terminal to reaching your destination, you're surrounded by noisy, uncaring, seething mobs of people.

So, I don't get to actually encounter the TSA.


Yeah, about that ..  http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/visible-intermodal-prevention-and-respon s e-vipr
2014-03-01 08:18:21 PM  
1 vote:
Just think:  if this guy didn't write a huge blog post about his witty remarks, we'd never know about his bravery and heroism making confronting TSA agents with snide remarks.

The first blow has been struck for the messenger baggers!
2014-03-01 07:57:50 PM  
1 vote:
Just another example of "Those that seek trouble usually find it."

"These aren't the bitcoins you're looking for." *jedi hand wave*
"These aren't the bitcoins we're looking for."
"You can go about your business now." *jedi hand wave*
"You can go about you're business."
"Move along." *jedi hand wave*
"Move along... Move along."
2014-03-01 07:47:42 PM  
1 vote:

the ha ha guy: mbillips: U.S. currency is backed by the full faith and trust of the United States government. So far, that's been good for 224 years. As not real things go, it's pretty farkin' real.

US currency has only been entirely without metal backing since 1971. Not quite the "224 years" you claim.

Fiat currency has always led to a collapse of that currency, even when the country was otherwise going strong. France is a real country, but they've had three fiat currency collapses so far (1720,1800,1960). Russia remains a superpower, yet their currency collapsed in 1998.

Also, "full faith and trust" means a faith and trust in the US government's ability to pay its bills. As was seen in 2011 and 2013, it only takes a few dozen people to bring the government to its knees and threaten a total collapse of the dollar.


The dollar is still really, really stable in spite of that thanks to the petrodollar and the strong fundamentals of the American economy. That's not to say that America will be a financial superpower forever, but rather suffer from a very long and gradual decline like previous superpowers such as England, France, and Spain instead of imploding like Russia.
2014-03-01 07:25:58 PM  
1 vote:
TL;DR.

Sorry.
2014-03-01 06:44:50 PM  
1 vote:
I only deal in dogecoin.  wow.  no search.  so not finding them.  such win.
2014-03-01 06:42:27 PM  
1 vote:

433: This guy didn't seem to know the difference between civil inconvenience and making trouble for himself/being a nuisance.  Exercise your rights freely.  Also, nobody likes a dick.  Asking the TSA explicitly to "not touch your dick" doesn't help you sail smoothly.  No one is asking for your allegiance, just your cooperation.  I'm trying hard not to invoke a Godwin.


yeah, you're probably right

except he wasn't the one who told the TSA guy not to touch his dick

but yeah, if your are behind, beside, or, generally, in the vicinity of someone who doesn't treat them with total respect, they're probably well within their rights to violate your rights
2014-03-01 06:38:27 PM  
1 vote:
We live in a free society with individual rights where one must submit to authority in a properly submissive and respectful manner no matter what that authority demands and have the same beliefs as the mainstream.
2014-03-01 06:37:10 PM  
1 vote:

gja: Gyrfalcon: 1. If you act like a douche,  you'll be treated like a douche.

2. Yes, the TSA is quite capable of looking for Bitcoins as if they were real, physical "coins" and to be perplexed when they are unable to find them in your luggage.

Next, they will be trying to locate cloud storage on the actual cloud it is stored on, and be concerned a terrorist might fly a plane into the cloud and knock all the files off of it.

LOL. So much win in that right there. I larfed so very loud and snorty.


Oo! Thanks for the TF!!
2014-03-01 06:34:07 PM  
1 vote:
As much as I hate the TSA the guy is just making problems for himself trying to be some kind of activist.

You let THEM make the first strike.
2014-03-01 06:17:22 PM  
1 vote:

433: This guy didn't seem to know the difference between civil inconvenience and making trouble for himself/being a nuisance.  Exercise your rights freely.  Also, nobody likes a dick.  Asking the TSA explicitly to "not touch your dick" doesn't help you sail smoothly.  No one is asking for your allegiance, just your cooperation.  I'm trying hard not to invoke a Godwin.


WHAAAT? Somebody who travels to libertarian conferences and posts to Daily Anarchist acted like a selfish, self-involved dick? GTFO.
2014-03-01 06:16:00 PM  
1 vote:
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