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2014-03-01 08:16:58 PM  

Gyrfalcon: 1. If you act like a douche,  you'll be treated like a douche.

2. Yes, the TSA is quite capable of looking for Bitcoins as if they were real, physical "coins" and to be perplexed when they are unable to find them in your luggage.

Next, they will be trying to locate cloud storage on the actual cloud it is stored on, and be concerned a terrorist might fly a plane into the cloud and knock all the files off of it.


I'm already having problems with airlines and cloud storage; the chemtrails keep infecting my cloud-stored files.
 
2014-03-01 08:18:21 PM  
Just think:  if this guy didn't write a huge blog post about his witty remarks, we'd never know about his bravery and heroism making confronting TSA agents with snide remarks.

The first blow has been struck for the messenger baggers!
 
2014-03-01 08:26:14 PM  

Rik01: This is called basically acting like a jerk or dick, as other FARKers have noted
simply to be a pain in the arse. I used to see a lot of that back in the 60's. Then again, in the 80's.

In the 80's it was psuedo-intellectual Yuppies.

I don't fly, because of the expense, the simple fact of being crammed sardine like into a metal cylinder with no way out once it takes off and from entering the terminal to reaching your destination, you're surrounded by noisy, uncaring, seething mobs of people.

So, I don't get to actually encounter the TSA.


Yeah, about that ..  http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/visible-intermodal-prevention-and-respon s e-vipr
 
2014-03-01 08:28:42 PM  
The US dollar isn't backed by faith, it's backed by bombs.  Bombs that we drop on people who try to use anything else.
 
2014-03-01 08:33:13 PM  
FTA: "I do not answer the questions of bureaucrats without an attorney present, and neither should you."

Be sure to tune in for next week's episode: Douchey McParanoid and His Lawyer Go To the DMV
 
2014-03-01 08:42:15 PM  
I always opt-out as a tepid protest against the dumb radiation boxes that don't actually do anything, and now I feel dirty for being associated with this douche.
 
2014-03-01 08:53:28 PM  

sjcousins: So the TSA doesn't know how bitcoins work, and is concerned man might be flying internationally with greater than $10,000, which must be declared. So instead of saying "no" when asked if he's flying internationally, which would have immediately ended his terrifying ordeal, he argues, won't answer questions and starts peeing in his pants at the prospect of a long holiday at Guantanamo bay.
Thank God his friend Bill was there with his wife to answer the TSA's reasonable question with a simple no. Really scary stuff.


Apt summary.
 
2014-03-01 09:12:24 PM  

buckler: Gyrfalcon: 1. If you act like a douche,  you'll be treated like a douche.

2. Yes, the TSA is quite capable of looking for Bitcoins as if they were real, physical "coins" and to be perplexed when they are unable to find them in your luggage.

Next, they will be trying to locate cloud storage on the actual cloud it is stored on, and be concerned a terrorist might fly a plane into the cloud and knock all the files off of it.

I'm already having problems with airlines and cloud storage; the chemtrails keep infecting my cloud-stored files.


Wait till they start flying Predator drones over the clouds to take pictures of your cloud-stored files! They can enhance those pics and read everything!
 
2014-03-01 09:38:44 PM  

super_grass: leadmetal: We live in a free society with individual rights where one must submit to authority in a properly submissive and respectful manner no matter what that authority demands and have the same beliefs as the mainstream.

You say that like it's a bad thing, but it really is true especially if you replace "the mainstream" with "me".


So long as one stays within the narrow range defined by media approved electoral choices one is socially acceptable and will still get invited to parties and such.
 
2014-03-01 10:21:32 PM  
At least this time their targeting worked.  Guy with lots of sharp metal in his backpack?  Yeah, search that one.
 
2014-03-01 10:37:57 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Why didn't TSA just shoot him? I'd watch it on YouTube.


Most TSOs don't carry sidearms.  Please don't give them any ideas.

It's disturbing enough that people making Federal Law Enforcement wages aren't smart enough to figure out that bitcoins aren't physical, or care that it isn't illegal to fly with any amount of any currency inside the US.

What's next?  Confiscating credit cards that have a limit over $10,000?
 
2014-03-01 11:04:01 PM  
In a related piece, 13 years of Nazi douchebaggery has brought forth, wait for it, douchebag backlash.  It's the circle of suck.
 
2014-03-02 12:04:49 AM  

Sticky Hands: [nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com image 848x545]


so here's a funny game

mint a ton of dirt cheap "bit coins" with the symbol and everything.
carry a bunch with you, enough that at the current market rate, if they WERE real bitcoins, would put you over the unconstitutional 10k reporting laws.

get the moron tsa agents to confiscate your cash or require you to report it
sure the feds

sigh
ok
maybe that wont work
HOW ABOUT jsut make then think that they were valuable and confiscate them
then when you collect your property, sue them for theft ... because you KNOW that some of them will have gone missing ....


sigh
 
2014-03-02 12:51:14 AM  

namatad: Sticky Hands: [nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com image 848x545]

so here's a funny game

mint a ton of dirt cheap "bit coins" with the symbol and everything.
carry a bunch with you, enough that at the current market rate, if they WERE real bitcoins, would put you over the unconstitutional 10k reporting laws.

get the moron tsa agents to confiscate your cash or require you to report it
sure the feds

sigh
ok
maybe that wont work
HOW ABOUT jsut make then think that they were valuable and confiscate them
then when you collect your property, sue them for theft ... because you KNOW that some of them will have gone missing ....


sigh


Print up $25k worth of metal bitcoins with serial numbers known to be monitored by the feds. Put them in your luggage where they're easily stealable. Let the jackboots kick themselves in the shins.
 
2014-03-02 01:01:25 AM  

433: Rik01: the simple fact of being crammed sardine like into a metal cylinder with no way out once it takes off

I took lsd in LA International before boarding a flight to Hawaii.  It was mostly pleasant, but there was an overarching theme of "I'm in a flying box over the ocean, and I can't see who is piloting the damned thing.  In retrospect, I should not have done that.  It was a relief to land, greeted with a garland of flowers.


I once smoked a bowl just before going to the Vegas airport to fly home. Either the TSA didn't notice I was high as fark, or they didn't care.
 
2014-03-02 01:04:09 AM  

fnordfocus: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Why didn't TSA just shoot him? I'd watch it on YouTube.

Most TSOs don't carry sidearms.  Please don't give them any ideas.

It's disturbing enough that people making Federal Law Enforcement wages aren't smart enough to figure out that bitcoins aren't physical, or care that it isn't illegal to fly with any amount of any currency inside the US.

What's next?  Confiscating credit cards that have a limit over $10,000?


Wages don't equal intellect. I mean, the government advertised TSA jobs on pizza boxes for fark's sake.
 
2014-03-02 01:09:05 AM  

fnordfocus: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Why didn't TSA just shoot him? I'd watch it on YouTube.

Most TSOs don't carry sidearms.  Please don't give them any ideas.

It's disturbing enough that people making Federal Law Enforcement wages aren't smart enough to figure out that bitcoins aren't physical, or care that it isn't illegal to fly with any amount of any currency inside the US.

What's next?  Confiscating credit cards that have a limit over $10,000?


No, first they have to start confiscating Monopoly money, and any video game where they deal in "gold".
 
2014-03-02 02:42:14 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Yes, the TSA is quite capable of looking for Bitcoins as if they were real, physical "coins" and to be perplexed when they are unable to find them in your luggage.

Next, they will be trying to locate cloud storage on the actual cloud it is stored on, and be concerned a terrorist might fly a plane into the cloud and knock all the files off of it.


img.fark.net

I think all Farkers need to carry $1 million in plastic Bitcoins.  Maybe paint Mardi Gras doubloons gold.
 
2014-03-02 03:25:49 AM  
FTA: I turned back to the orange shirt and asked "What did the Bitcoin look like?" Bill chimed in and told the agent that what he was saying was impossible because Bitcoin is digital and doesn't have have any physical manifestation. You can't "see" Bitcoin. The orange shirt said they looked like medallions or tokens. I said I didn't understand what he was talking about, and he simply repeated, in a child like way, that Bitcoins are like metal tokens. I told him that I didn't have any tokens.

Yeah, there's definitely no such thing as a physical bitcoin that a layperson might be  aware of and mistakenly believe to represent the entire system...

bitcoinexaminer.org

Maybe if he'd known about them, he'd have been able to explain their error.

FTA: When they saw all the metal lapel pins in my bag they probably thought they hit the jackpot on a stockpile of Casascius coins. Whatever training they had it probably included that stock photo of brass tokens everyone uses. My evasiveness only quickened their blood lust, as they imagined a big bust, and possibly a promotion down the security track.

Oh, looks like he's perfectly aware of what they were referring to, and of the likely cause of their error.

Anyone else have a feeling that if he'd just explained their misunderstanding, he could have been merrily on his way?
 
2014-03-02 03:47:28 AM  
the ha ha guy:Fiat currency has always led to a collapse of that currency, even when the country was otherwise going strong.

Mmreally? Considering that every single currency in the world is fiat currency, and that they haven't all collapsed, I fear that you may be expressing wishful thinking rather than historical fact.
 
2014-03-02 04:11:46 AM  

433: Rik01: the simple fact of being crammed sardine like into a metal cylinder with no way out once it takes off

I took lsd in LA International before boarding a flight to Hawaii.  It was mostly pleasant, but there was an overarching theme of "I'm in a flying box over the ocean, and I can't see who is piloting the damned thing.  In retrospect, I should not have done that.  It was a relief to land, greeted with a garland of flowers.


You're the only one making sense. Harmless adventure is fun.
 
2014-03-02 04:19:28 AM  

CraicBaby: 433: Rik01: the simple fact of being crammed sardine like into a metal cylinder with no way out once it takes off

I took lsd in LA International before boarding a flight to Hawaii.  It was mostly pleasant, but there was an overarching theme of "I'm in a flying box over the ocean, and I can't see who is piloting the damned thing.  In retrospect, I should not have done that.  It was a relief to land, greeted with a garland of flowers.

I once smoked a bowl just before going to the Vegas airport to fly home. Either the TSA didn't notice I was high as fark, or they didn't care.


Always get as stoned as possible before airport. It helps so so much.
 
2014-03-02 06:54:47 AM  

djwebb1127: 433: Rik01: the simple fact of being crammed sardine like into a metal cylinder with no way out once it takes off

I took lsd in LA International before boarding a flight to Hawaii.  It was mostly pleasant, but there was an overarching theme of "I'm in a flying box over the ocean, and I can't see who is piloting the damned thing.  In retrospect, I should not have done that.  It was a relief to land, greeted with a garland of flowers.

You're the only one making sense. Harmless adventure is fun.


Indeed. I want my 20 minutes back.
 
2014-03-02 08:29:46 AM  
Oh look, another douchebag who thinks he's fighting for freedom by being an asshole and inconveniencing everyone behind him at the airport.
I bet he's the kind of asshole that refuses to show his receipt when he leaves a best buy too.

/ZOMG they're stealing my constitutional rights!
 
2014-03-02 08:49:34 AM  
Yeah - sorry - but that guy is just a dick who is trying to justify being a dick.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:01:15 AM  

netringer: I think all Farkers need to carry $1 million in plastic Bitcoins.


Two words:
Ass pennies (or ass bitcoins as it might be)
"Hand them over? Yes sir!"

/would server the TSA right
 
pla
2014-03-02 09:06:05 AM  
Disclaimer:  I hate the TSA as much as the next guy.  I hate ICE as much as the next guy.  I  consider AML regulations nothing short of discriminatory.

And all that said - Until recently, you could buy physical Bitcoins from Casascius, in 1BTC, 5BTC, and 25BTC denominations (I believe he offered a 1oz gold 100BTC at one point as well).  I even owned a few of the first two.

Now, as I said, I have zero respect for AML regs or ICE - But I suspect most of us know perfectly well that you can't take $10k (USD equivalent, in any hard currency) in or out of the country without declaring it.  Simple as that.  And for the average Joe who might plead ignorance, a swag-marketing self-proclaimed Libertarian crypto-anarchist doesn't get that same benefit of the doubt - He could probably recite a nice summary of CFR31§1010 from memory.

Now let's see what 2+2 equals... Guy has a tube of 50 "medallions" stamped with something that looks vaguely like the Bitcoin B⃦.  Bitcoin trades at between 500 and 1000 USD per BTC.  Assuming the more common 1BTC coins, that puts that tube as potentially worth up to 50k USD.

These guys just did their jobs (spare me the Nazi references, please), and asked a very, very simple question that the author refused to answer: "I was out of ideas. At that point I was certain I didn't want to say another word"... How about the simple phrase "no, I will not travel internationally today"?  Hmm?  Did that approach ever occur to you, just tell them the truth that made their involvement unnecessary?   Instead, lets play "antagonize people who can make your life very, very miserable".

No sympathy for the author here, despite philosophically agreeing with him completely.
 
pla
2014-03-02 09:23:04 AM  
orbister : Mmreally? Considering that every single currency in the world is fiat currency, and that they haven't all collapsed, I fear that you may be expressing wishful thinking rather than historical fact.

Do you have any idea what you've just said?

The Great British Pound counts as the oldest surviving government-issued currency in the world, by a good margin, and only came into existence in 760CE - Though in its original form, it didn't have value by fiat, it had value because it literally contained a pound of silver.  Not until 1694 and the founding of the Bank of England did the "Pound" become a proper fiat currency - A mere 320 years ago, the blink of an eye in historical terms.

320 years... Not a fan of the Roman empire, eh?  Or Persian?  Or 99% of the world's major civilizations, for that matter?
 
2014-03-02 10:44:58 AM  
John Kennex found some on Almost Human. I laughed when they picked up the stick and said "Bitcoin. Untraceable."

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-02 10:50:10 AM  

pla: orbister : Mmreally? Considering that every single currency in the world is fiat currency, and that they haven't all collapsed, I fear that you may be expressing wishful thinking rather than historical fact.

Do you have any idea what you've just said?

The Great British Pound counts as the oldest surviving government-issued currency in the world, by a good margin, and only came into existence in 760CE - Though in its original form, it didn't have value by fiat, it had value because it literally contained a pound of silver.  Not until 1694 and the founding of the Bank of England did the "Pound" become a proper fiat currency - A mere 320 years ago, the blink of an eye in historical terms.

320 years... Not a fan of the Roman empire, eh?  Or Persian?  Or 99% of the world's major civilizations, for that matter?


So, what currencies aren't fiat?
 
pla
2014-03-02 12:25:21 PM  
noitsnot : So, what currencies aren't fiat?

Keep in mind that "fiat" doesn't mean "backed by nothing but a promise (or a sword)" - It means it has only whatever value some central authority says it has, no more and no less.  Similarly, "non-fiat" doesn't mean "backed by physical goods" - That refers to a commodity currency, a totally separate issue.

So as the obvious answer, Bitcoin - It gets its value through consent of the market participants, not through decree by the issuing "authority" (indeed, it has no issuing authority).

Bullion, for another (and indeed, all non-fractional commodity currencies) - Though that borders on barter, it uses a token currency of relatively stable value to get around the whole "but I don't need six hundred chickens or fifty yak pelts" problem.  Just about everyone (corporate America excluded) will accept silver.  Funny story, the second silver coin in my collection I got waaay back in the days of my youth, helping run a yardsale.  Someone offered me a silver eagle for an old TV, and I got to keep it as "payment" for helping out for the day.  Not even mimimum wage back then, but it made a 10YO kid happier than a hog in excrement.  :)

I could make a halfway decent argument for something like Canadian Tire money or WOW gold, where their trading value comes from the consent of the user base and has nothing to do with their intended use, but I think you get the picture here - Basically, all modern governments issue fiat money because they can.  You won't find Bolivia suddenly issuing pesos backed by the coca harvest, because then they can't just double the number of them with the stroke of a pen.  Similarly, the US will never go back on the gold standard, because then the Fed couldn't tax us through dilution of our savings.

Note that, while I would love to see a currency not subject to the whims of any central bank succeed, you shouldn't read me as one of the whackjobs who refuses to accept US Dollars as pay - US dollars very much count as a relatively stable token currency.  It does offend me deeply, though, that my savings earns 0.02% interest while inflation intentionally makes my liquid assets worth 3% per year.
 
2014-03-02 01:51:36 PM  
mbillips:
U.S. currency is backed by the full faith and trust of the United States government. So far, that's been good for 224 years. As not real things go, it's pretty farkin' real.

What does that mean, that the dollar is "backed"? Right now, I can exchange a five-dollar bill for five ones, or bring it around to the tavern and exchange it for a beer. Does the "backing" that we're talking about ensure that the fiver is always good for five ones? (Probably, for what that's worth.) Does it mean it will always buy a beer? (No, because of inflation.)

So we all acknowledge that the Government of the United States of America may, at some future time, say, "Your dollar is still worth a whole dollar. For five of them, you can probably get a square of slightly-used toilet paper."

Thanks for the backing there, Uncle Sam.

I'm not picking on the dollar. Money is a cultural construct. All the above is true of any exchange medium. Even gold. Even Bitcoin. Gold has some great properties (doesn't corrode, good conductor, malleable, ductile, dense), but there's nothing intrinsically valuable about it. A thing has value if some other person will exchange another valuable thing for it; nothing has value intrinsically.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go buy that beer, while I still can.
 
2014-03-02 03:54:44 PM  

pla: noitsnot : So, what currencies aren't fiat?

Keep in mind that "fiat" doesn't mean "backed by nothing but a promise (or a sword)" - It means it has only whatever value some central authority says it has, no more and no less.  Similarly, "non-fiat" doesn't mean "backed by physical goods" - That refers to a commodity currency, a totally separate issue.

So as the obvious answer, Bitcoin - It gets its value through consent of the market participants, not through decree by the issuing "authority" (indeed, it has no issuing authority).

Bullion, for another (and indeed, all non-fractional commodity currencies) - Though that borders on barter, it uses a token currency of relatively stable value to get around the whole "but I don't need six hundred chickens or fifty yak pelts" problem.  Just about everyone (corporate America excluded) will accept silver.  Funny story, the second silver coin in my collection I got waaay back in the days of my youth, helping run a yardsale.  Someone offered me a silver eagle for an old TV, and I got to keep it as "payment" for helping out for the day.  Not even mimimum wage back then, but it made a 10YO kid happier than a hog in excrement.  :)

I could make a halfway decent argument for something like Canadian Tire money or WOW gold, where their trading value comes from the consent of the user base and has nothing to do with their intended use, but I think you get the picture here - Basically, all modern governments issue fiat money because they can.  You won't find Bolivia suddenly issuing pesos backed by the coca harvest, because then they can't just double the number of them with the stroke of a pen.  Similarly, the US will never go back on the gold standard, because then the Fed couldn't tax us through dilution of our savings.

Note that, while I would love to see a currency not subject to the whims of any central bank succeed, you shouldn't read me as one of the whackjobs who refuses to accept US Dollars as pay - US dollars very much co ...


So, you're nutty then.  Just checking.
 
gja
2014-03-02 09:06:18 PM  

noitsnot: So, what currencies aren't fiat?


Currencies currently experiencing 'inflation'?
 
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