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(Japan Today)   "I used to grow organic rice... But I can't do it anymore because of consumers' worries over radioactive contamination, I want (Fukushima operator) TEPCO officials and bureaucrats of the central government to eat the Fukushima-made rice"   (japantoday.com) divider line 40
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2014-03-01 04:44:14 PM  
But it gives you such a healthy glow!
 
2014-03-01 04:48:04 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-01 04:49:02 PM  
FTA:  "The (appellate) committee members comprise 11 citizens who are chosen at random by lot."

That's an interesting way to handle it.  Any other countries do it that way?
 
2014-03-01 04:49:09 PM  

PancakeBunny: [img.fark.net image 850x637]


I just refreshed... we were about to do a simulpost!
 
2014-03-01 04:50:58 PM  
Eat it with the WV water.
 
2014-03-01 04:53:34 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: PancakeBunny: [img.fark.net image 850x637]

I just refreshed... we were about to do a simulpost!


I knew that was coming..actually I'm surprised I got it in first. Hive mind!
 
2014-03-01 04:56:34 PM  
What he biatching about!  It still considered organic by the rules.  And should the lights go out, it'll be easy to find.
 
2014-03-01 04:57:01 PM  
Official data released last week showed that 1,656 people have died in the prefecture from stress and other illnesses related to the disaster three years ago.

Gee I wonder if any of that stress had to do with the giant earthquake and giant farking tsunami that devastated the region.  Fukushima was not the worth part of this tragedy.  Then again,

TEPCO and government officials could not predict an earthquake and tsunami of that size

Uh, seriously?  I'm totally pro-nuclear power, but some site are better than others.
 
2014-03-01 04:58:55 PM  
 
2014-03-01 05:01:33 PM  
No one is officially recorded as having died as a direct result of radiation released when a 9.0-magnitude earthquake crashed into the Fukushima nuclear plant in March 2011, swamping cooling systems and sparking reactor meltdowns.

Damn earthquakes crashing into stuff!
 
2014-03-01 05:04:36 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Official data released last week showed that 1,656 people have died in the prefecture from stress and other illnesses related to the disaster three years ago.

Gee I wonder if any of that stress had to do with the giant earthquake and giant farking tsunami that devastated the region.  Fukushima was not the worth part of this tragedy.  Then again,

TEPCO and government officials could not predict an earthquake and tsunami of that size

Uh, seriously?  I'm totally pro-nuclear power, but some site are better than others.


Go learn about black swans. Every time a disaster happens people throw up their hands and say "it never happened like that before". Well, of course it didn't.
 
2014-03-01 05:06:00 PM  
Meh you still get lots of delicious arsenic.
 
2014-03-01 05:06:43 PM  
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-03-01 05:06:56 PM  

PunGent: FTA:  "The (appellate) committee members comprise 11 citizens who are chosen at random by lot."

That's an interesting way to handle it.  Any other countries do it that way?


It's also how they get the guys for bukkake.
 
2014-03-01 05:09:50 PM  
No one is officially recorded as having died as a direct result of radiation released when a 9.0-magnitude earthquake crashed into the Fukushima nuclear plant in March 2011, swamping cooling systems and sparking reactor meltdowns.

Except in cases of severe radiation poisoning people do not die quickly, the effects are more long term such as an increase in cancer rates or birth defects over years or even decades.  This sort of "well no one died so its OK" attitude is just short term thinking, and we will see the effects far into the future and probably in ways we haven't realized yet.  And yes I think nuclear power well done is reasonably safe (at least as safe as things like coal plants that spew out pollution and believe it or not radiation), but the idea of putting reactors in an earthquake zone near the ocean just strikes me as irresponsible.
 
2014-03-01 05:09:51 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Official data released last week showed that 1,656 people have died in the prefecture from stress and other illnesses related to the disaster three years ago.

Gee I wonder if any of that stress had to do with the giant earthquake and giant farking tsunami that devastated the region.  Fukushima was not the worth part of this tragedy.  Then again,

TEPCO and government officials could not predict an earthquake and tsunami of that size

Uh, seriously?  I'm totally pro-nuclear power, but some site are better than others.


Completely agreed on that one.  Actual impartial oversight is good too, and that seems to have been severely lacking with TEPCO.

And Japan has a history of earthquakes and tsunamis (well, duh).   For a nuclear plant more than most anything else, you need to design for the worst case scenario.  Which is why the costs are so high for nuclear.

In any case,

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/427166/what-we-learned-about-nu cl ear-safety-from-fukushima/

Nuclear experts say the key to controlling future incidents and thus restoring faith in nuclear energy is a "defense in depth" approach to reactor design and emergency preparedness-precisely what was missing at Fukushima. Locating backup air-cooled diesel generators in basements, for example, was a sign that Fukushima wasn't fully prepared for a tsunami, says Tony Irwin, a lecturer in nuclear technology at the Australian National University who participated in a post-Chernobyl review of operating practices at Russian reactors. "Even if the seawall was not high enough, a proper risk assessment would have identified the need for waterproof rooms, backup pumps on higher ground, etc.," says Irwin.

That's the big huge red flag there for me.  You might think a tsunami might never happen (although, seriously, duh).  But putting the backup generator in the basement - hell, my brother's storing stuff in my basement as he's in the middle of a move.  To our knowledge, it's never flooded and there's snow on the ground.

But we live next to a creek and plumbing accidents happen, so he put anything important on top of a table or futon because it's generally a bad idea to store something you can't replace or that you may urgently need on a basement floor.

Like a backup generator.  "Hmm, when might we need this?" "Well, if the main power goes out" "why might that happen?" "Well, power outage... could just be a utility issue, but you know, we ARE next to a large body of water being that we're a nuclear power plant and need that to actually generate electricity and kind of have to be, maybe we should worry about earthquakes or floods?"
 
2014-03-01 05:12:34 PM  
 
2014-03-01 05:13:54 PM  
For whatever it's worth. I used to love eating shrimp. But I will never eat another of those tasty tasty sea bugs until I see some oil executives feasting on some fresh shrimp cocktails.

/ That would be BP executives for the gulf coast and Exxon in Alaska.
 
2014-03-01 05:15:59 PM  
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2014-03-01 05:17:13 PM  
Maybe it will be like that one episode of Gilligan's Island where they ate the radioactive vegetables and got super senses for awhile
 
2014-03-01 05:25:31 PM  
I used to grow organic rice...but then I took an arrow to the knee.
 
2014-03-01 05:32:24 PM  
Fine, don't charge them with negligence. Charge them with willful negligence.
 
2014-03-01 05:36:30 PM  
All fooling aside, Japan's agricultural sector is small, inefficient, and mostly kept alive by tariffs that force Japanese consumers to pay several times the world price for rice. Japan should be importing organic rice, not trying to grow it.
 
2014-03-01 05:46:52 PM  
Stupid idiots who think nuclear power in the US is dangerous are idiots who are stupid idiotheads. Coal uranium blah blah, idiots.

/idiots
 
2014-03-01 05:50:03 PM  
is that a pic of Roman Polanski having a fish burger with an underage girl?
 
2014-03-01 05:50:49 PM  

PunGent: FTA:  "The (appellate) committee members comprise 11 citizens who are chosen at random by lot."

That's an interesting way to handle it.  Any other countries do it that way?


Sounds like a jury to me.
 
2014-03-01 06:09:01 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: is that a pic of Roman Polanski having a fish burger with an underage girl?


That's his wife, buddy, so it's legal.
 
2014-03-01 06:17:11 PM  

Toggles: For whatever it's worth. I used to love eating shrimp. But I will never eat another of those tasty tasty sea bugs until I see some oil executives feasting on some fresh shrimp cocktails.

/ That would be BP executives for the gulf coast and Exxon in Alaska.


Tastytasty skrimps come from all over the place. just dont get any that come from those regions..

I spent a lot of time on the DelMarVa peninsula when I was growing up and the little water roaches could be easily pulled up from the banks of the marshes with a net using a rotted chicken neck as bait.. or more typical... there would be a dead seagull by the dock, you'd shine a flashlight on the deasd seagull, the shrimps would scatter, and the crabs would just look up at you as if to say... "wut?"
 
2014-03-01 06:25:14 PM  

LrdPhoenix: PunGent: FTA:  "The (appellate) committee members comprise 11 citizens who are chosen at random by lot."

That's an interesting way to handle it.  Any other countries do it that way?

Sounds like a jury to me.


Yeah...but for an appellate decision.
 
2014-03-01 06:30:19 PM  
Don't leave us hanging, Subby. What comes after the comma?
 
2014-03-01 06:39:15 PM  

MikeyFuccon: All fooling aside, Japan's agricultural sector is small, inefficient, and mostly kept alive by tariffs that force Japanese consumers to pay several times the world price for rice. Japan should be importing organic rice, not trying to grow it.


They're just being patriotic and protecting Japranese jeerbs.
 
2014-03-01 06:43:11 PM  
I think I've heard that story afore...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLiVeRJTtqo

/thank you, Dr D.
 
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2014-03-01 07:03:54 PM  

Toggles: For whatever it's worth. I used to love eating shrimp. But I will never eat another of those tasty tasty sea bugs until I see some oil executives feasting on some fresh shrimp cocktails.

/ That would be BP executives for the gulf coast and Exxon in Alaska.


I choose to give up shrimp.  Until abortion ends!
 
2014-03-01 07:29:32 PM  

interstellar_tedium: No one is officially recorded as having died as a direct result of radiation released when a 9.0-magnitude earthquake crashed into the Fukushima nuclear plant in March 2011, swamping cooling systems and sparking reactor meltdowns.

Except in cases of severe radiation poisoning people do not die quickly, the effects are more long term such as an increase in cancer rates or birth defects over years or even decades.  This sort of "well no one died so its OK" attitude is just short term thinking, and we will see the effects far into the future and probably in ways we haven't realized yet.  And yes I think nuclear power well done is reasonably safe (at least as safe as things like coal plants that spew out pollution and believe it or not radiation), but the idea of putting reactors in an earthquake zone near the ocean just strikes me as irresponsible.


On the other hand, there have been plenty of reports of effects that are blamed on Fukushima that could not have been caused by Fukushima.  For example, in the lawsuit by crew members of the USS Ronald Reagan, crew members allege symptoms like rapid weight gain, back problems, and other maladies that could just as well have been caused by normal factors of being on the crew of an aircraft carrier, or things that they weren't checking before Fukushima, but were checking constantly afterward.  That famous picture of deckhands scrubbing the deck of the Ronald Reagan?  That's SOP in a situation like this, because the actual radiation can be scrubbed away with soap and water; a lot of people mistook the soapy water for Fukushima fallout.  And honestly, about the only real thing that nuclear radiation does is increase genetic mutations, resulting in cancer and birth defects. One female crew member was complaining about not being able to shed her pregnancy weight like she used to upon the birth of her third child after Fukushima.  The real question should have been, does her baby suffer from any birth defects?  That's a far more likely effect from Fukushima than not being able to shed pounds after birth like you once were able to.

Basically, there's a lot of misinformation and disinformation about Fukushima out there. There are legitimate effects from the radiation, but let's not lump every malady you never knew you had until Fukushima under one heading and label it "FUKUSHIMA DID THIS", because it's just not true.
 
2014-03-01 08:16:13 PM  

IlGreven: interstellar_tedium: No one is officially recorded as having died as a direct result of radiation released when a 9.0-magnitude earthquake crashed into the Fukushima nuclear plant in March 2011, swamping cooling systems and sparking reactor meltdowns.

Except in cases of severe radiation poisoning people do not die quickly, the effects are more long term such as an increase in cancer rates or birth defects over years or even decades.  This sort of "well no one died so its OK" attitude is just short term thinking, and we will see the effects far into the future and probably in ways we haven't realized yet.  And yes I think nuclear power well done is reasonably safe (at least as safe as things like coal plants that spew out pollution and believe it or not radiation), but the idea of putting reactors in an earthquake zone near the ocean just strikes me as irresponsible.

On the other hand, there have been plenty of reports of effects that are blamed on Fukushima that could not have been caused by Fukushima.  For example, in the lawsuit by crew members of the USS Ronald Reagan, crew members allege symptoms like rapid weight gain, back problems, and other maladies that could just as well have been caused by normal factors of being on the crew of an aircraft carrier, or things that they weren't checking before Fukushima, but were checking constantly afterward.  That famous picture of deckhands scrubbing the deck of the Ronald Reagan?  That's SOP in a situation like this, because the actual radiation can be scrubbed away with soap and water; a lot of people mistook the soapy water for Fukushima fallout.  And honestly, about the only real thing that nuclear radiation does is increase genetic mutations, resulting in cancer and birth defects. One female crew member was complaining about not being able to shed her pregnancy weight like she used to upon the birth of her third child after Fukushima.  The real question should have been, does her baby suffer from any birth defects?  That's a far more likely effect from Fukushima than not being able to shed pounds after birth like you once were able to.

Basically, there's a lot of misinformation and disinformation about Fukushima out there. There are legitimate effects from the radiation, but let's not lump every malady you never knew you had until Fukushima under one heading and label it "FUKUSHIMA DID THIS", because it's just not true.


Everything you said = YUP

but let no one ever say that what happened did not suck and therewon't be long term ramifications of it happening.
 
2014-03-01 09:11:55 PM  
I think the same thing about Fracking company CEO's being made to drink from local wells.
 
2014-03-01 10:57:59 PM  
It's no surprise nobody is getting punished. That's what getting in bed with government is about. Being able not to be punished or even held accountable.

However the idea they did everything they could is absurd. The entire design of the facility was just plain stupid. Generators in basements. used control rods in pools on upper floors. WTF? It's entirely backwards from the way a reasonable person would design it.  Being on the shoreline in an earthquake zone just makes oh so much worse.

The problem is, it is not getting fixed. The danger and problems are on-going.
 
2014-03-01 11:24:05 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Official data released last week showed that 1,656 people have died in the prefecture from stress and other illnesses related to the disaster three years ago.

Gee I wonder if any of that stress had to do with the giant earthquake and giant farking tsunami that devastated the region.  Fukushima was not the worth part of this tragedy.  Then again,

TEPCO and government officials could not predict an earthquake and tsunami of that size

Uh, seriously?  I'm totally pro-nuclear power, but some site are better than others.


The biggest problem with Fukushima is the effects the nuclear contamination have on the general opinion about nuclear power.

Nuclear power is incredibly safe, and necessary for our survival at this level of technology. shiatty, old, experimental reactors? Notsomuch. We have nuclear reactors that could have withstood the punishment Fukushima faced without a problem.

What should really be happening is that the experimental reactors created over the years need be shut down, so we can switch to totally safe nuclear generation.
 
2014-03-02 03:03:53 AM  
"I used to grow organic rice..."

Ummm... all rice is organic, you rube.
 
2014-03-02 03:04:43 AM  

DrPainMD: "I used to grow organic rice..."

Ummm... all rice is organic, you rube.


Don't be that dude, man.
 
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