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2014-03-01 08:54:47 AM
Changing the rules retro actively seems shady. A big part, for me, would be the Valedictorian scholarship. Pays tuition for the first year of college. Depending on where he goes, that could be a pretty chunk of change.
 
2014-03-01 11:18:29 AM
Honors credit for band?  Really?  That's just stupid.  It shouldn't have been given out in the first place. I don't discount the effort and skill that is required to play a musical instrument.  But when the grading is entirely subjective by the teacher it's an easy way to pad your GPA.

Back when I was in high school, our valedictorian was the girl who had taken band, choir, and symphony every year.  She didn't have time for the more difficult higher level math, science or english courses because those would have interfered with her fine arts classes.
 
2014-03-01 12:34:05 PM
The whole idea of Valedictorian seems very early 20th century.
 
2014-03-01 12:47:16 PM

BizarreMan: Honors credit for band?  Really?  That's just stupid.  It shouldn't have been given out in the first place. I don't discount the effort and skill that is required to play a musical instrument.  But when the grading is entirely subjective by the teacher it's an easy way to pad your GPA.

Back when I was in high school, our valedictorian was the girl who had taken band, choir, and symphony every year.  She didn't have time for the more difficult higher level math, science or english courses because those would have interfered with her fine arts classes.


You're right, he definitely should have taken more honors history and English classes.
 
2014-03-01 01:00:15 PM
Because this is what the u.s. does. It's who you know not what you know and nepotism always wins.
 
2014-03-01 01:29:35 PM
Probably the most important lesson he will learn in the next three months.  Then, the rest happens.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-01 02:20:50 PM
A grievance has been filed by a law firm representing the family.

Until I read this sentence I was indifferent. Now I hope colleges see him as a litigious student and refuse to admit him.
 
2014-03-01 02:31:07 PM

ZAZ: A grievance has been filed by a law firm representing the family.

Until I read this sentence I was indifferent. Now I hope colleges see him as a litigious student and refuse to admit him.


Probably already accepted somewhere religious.
 
2014-03-01 02:39:36 PM

Earpj: Changing the rules retro actively seems shady. A big part, for me, would be the Valedictorian scholarship. Pays tuition for the first year of college. Depending on where he goes, that could be a pretty chunk of change.


That's what really sucks. The kid and his parents have a valid claim against the school district. I hope he gets enough to pay for his college education.
 
2014-03-01 02:46:35 PM
I wonder which local politician or school board member's snowflake was the reason for the sudden rule change. No policy change like this happens without a motive.
 
2014-03-01 02:57:54 PM

ZAZ: A grievance has been filed by a law firm representing the family.

Until I read this sentence I was indifferent. Now I hope colleges see him as a litigious student and refuse to admit him.


My understanding is that state schools in Texas give the first year of college tuition for free to valedictorians, so it's sort of a big deal. And it's not like he doesn't have a case, either. Follow the rules and then lose out on that because they made a retroactive rule change? Bullshiat.

It's very nice that you have hopes, though.
 
2014-03-01 03:07:12 PM
<sad trombone>
 
2014-03-01 03:25:44 PM
Should have signed up for honors football.
 
2014-03-01 03:26:49 PM

Lorelle: That's what really sucks. The kid and his parents have a valid claim against the school district. I hope he gets enough to pay for his college education.


I doubt he'll be able to prove any financial loss, so he probably won't get any money. At best they'll return his points and he might be valedictorian, or they may agree to name two people as valedictorian.
 
2014-03-01 03:32:56 PM
Smart people problems.
 
2014-03-01 03:34:42 PM
Somebody else's kid suddenly became valedictorian because of this retroactive rule change. Probably a school board member.
 
2014-03-01 03:48:44 PM

CruiserTwelve: Lorelle: That's what really sucks. The kid and his parents have a valid claim against the school district. I hope he gets enough to pay for his college education.

I doubt he'll be able to prove any financial loss, so he probably won't get any money. At best they'll return his points and he might be valedictorian, or they may agree to name two people as valedictorian.


Uh, losing a year of tuition seems pretty concrete.
 
2014-03-01 03:49:21 PM

CruiserTwelve: Lorelle: That's what really sucks. The kid and his parents have a valid claim against the school district. I hope he gets enough to pay for his college education.

I doubt he'll be able to prove any financial loss, so he probably won't get any money. At best they'll return his points and he might be valedictorian, or they may agree to name two people as valedictorian.


Just a year of free tuition at a state university. No biggie, right?
 
2014-03-01 03:52:38 PM

ZAZ: A grievance has been filed by a law firm representing the family.

Until I read this sentence I was indifferent. Now I hope colleges see him as a litigious student and refuse to admit him.


Naw. They said they're hoping to mediate a settlement, which to me suggests they don't want money, just a return to the status quo ante.
 
2014-03-01 03:53:34 PM
I'm not going to RTFA, because I couldn't possibly care, but this headline without context, Jesus Christ:

Student finds out what small town thinks of his taking of honor band for two years by making him #2

"His taking of honor band."

English, subby.

www.revolusic.com
 
2014-03-01 03:53:42 PM

Earpj: Changing the rules retro actively seems shady

 
2014-03-01 03:53:54 PM

twistedmetal: Should have signed up for honors football.


This thread? You win it. All if it.
 
2014-03-01 03:54:55 PM
This poor kid had his sights set on #1, but unfortunately he stepped in #2. Get used to it kid. Shiat happens and life is unfair. Next time, don't pad your GPA with nancy boy music classes.
 
2014-03-01 03:55:33 PM

BizarreMan: Honors credit for band?  Really?  That's just stupid.  It shouldn't have been given out in the first place. I don't discount the effort and skill that is required to play a musical instrument.  But when the grading is entirely subjective by the teacher it's an easy way to pad your GPA.

Back when I was in high school, our valedictorian was the girl who had taken band, choir, and symphony every year.  She didn't have time for the more difficult higher level math, science or english courses because those would have interfered with her fine arts classes.


The valedictorian biatch for our class was taking art, home ec, and other BS classes, while #2 was talking AP History, Physics, Honors English, etc.

One year later, she was running one of those mini choo-choo trains at the mall.  Served her right.
 
2014-03-01 03:57:09 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I wonder which local politician or school board member's snowflake was the reason for the sudden rule change. No policy change like this happens without a motive.


According to the comments, it was a school board member's child who came in #2. Plausible enough.
 
2014-03-01 03:57:19 PM
This kid is going to wash out so hard in college...
 
2014-03-01 03:58:25 PM
You can't change the rules halfway through.  Hope the school is forced to right a large check.
 
2014-03-01 03:58:27 PM
I kinda felt bad for the kid riiiiight up until the part where mommy and daddy lawyered up.
 
2014-03-01 03:58:42 PM
I just had to laugh at the Texas State Board's quote at the end of the article. It seemed to say "It wasn't us. This time, it's not us. Ohpleasegod, just leave us alone, it wasn't *us!*"

/hope they get swamped with ire. They deserve the rep they've earned. Or, as they might prefer it be put: as they've sowed, so they reap the whirlwind. Amen.
 
2014-03-01 03:58:59 PM

MBrady: The valedictorian biatch for our class was taking art, home ec, and other BS classes, while #2 was talking AP History, Physics, Honors English, etc.

One year later, she was running one of those mini choo-choo trains at the mall. Served her right.


Perhaps she was interning at an engineering school?  Conducting a class?   Switching majors?
/Got nothin'
 
2014-03-01 04:00:07 PM

mbillips: I'm not going to RTFA, because I couldn't possibly care, but this headline without context, Jesus Christ:

Student finds out what small town thinks of his taking of honor band for two years by making him #2

English, subby.

[www.revolusic.com image 420x180]


Came her for this but you said it better.
Nice.
 
2014-03-01 04:00:29 PM
Meh.  The world needs ditch diggers too.
 
2014-03-01 04:00:58 PM
Solid State Vittles: <sad honors trombone>

-FTFY
 
2014-03-01 04:01:36 PM

BizarreMan: Honors credit for band?  Really?  That's just stupid.  It shouldn't have been given out in the first place. I don't discount the effort and skill that is required to play a musical instrument.  But when the grading is entirely subjective by the teacher it's an easy way to pad your GPA.

Back when I was in high school, our valedictorian was the girl who had taken band, choir, and symphony every year.  She didn't have time for the more difficult higher level math, science or english courses because those would have interfered with her fine arts classes.


In my graduating class (2000 or 2002, I forget) the school admins had to go back to 6th grade to determine which student was the #1 and which was the #2.  Both had taken honors courses, which give an extra GPA point (up to 5, while other classes were only 4, in my school, ya, it was farked up and stupid).

One of the students was in band, the other in tennis. The 'honors' variant of elective/physical classes is usually so that the student isn't penalized for participating in school activities like tennis or football or band, not meant as an easy A.
 
2014-03-01 04:02:10 PM
If they wanted to make this change for good reasons, and not to benefit somebody else that stands to gain (like the new valedictorian who is probably connected to a board member somehow) they would have made it effective for everybody entering school after the date of change. Everyone who earned the credit under the old system gets to keep it, and it doesn't hurt anybody after because it is no longer an option.

Kinda like how most universities do things-if they change the catalog or course requirements for my major effective next year  and suddenly start requiring 4 years of foreign language when none was required before...no skin off my ass, I can graduate under the requirements of the catalog in effect when I enrolled. Sucks for the new students next year, but whatever.
 
2014-03-01 04:03:37 PM

gingerjet: You can't change the rules halfway through.  Hope the school is forced to right a large check.


I know universities MUST follow their written policy or face a certainty of losing. And they can't make retroactive changes.

Not sure how this plays out on k-12 level, especially in Tx.
 
2014-03-01 04:04:11 PM
He should stop focusing his life on worthless titles and awards that will do not a farking thing for him in real life. Spend your energy making sure your education will provide what you expect to need for life not choose course based on this trivial shiat. Taking one course you don't want to get this makes you defacto an idiot.

However it would be highly un-shocking to find out the board who made the decision had a member who's brat is the one elevated to number one by this. Just sayin'
 
2014-03-01 04:06:21 PM
Hey, at least there's only one person gets valedictorian at this school.
 
2014-03-01 04:06:22 PM
Dirty tricks. That's what it is. Disqualify number 1 so number 2 can win.
 
2014-03-01 04:06:52 PM
I'm sure he still has a 9.765 GPA or however they figure that shiat out these days.
 
2014-03-01 04:06:55 PM

dolphkhan: I kinda felt bad for the kid riiiiight up until the part where mommy and daddy lawyered up.


Because god forbid they should have redress for a legitimate grievance. One that, according to the article comments, may have been done to benefit a board member's kid.

Are you a far-right Republican, or merely one of the many who has fallen for their pro-business "nuisance lawsuit" rhetoric?
 
2014-03-01 04:07:53 PM
This one time, at band camp...
 
2014-03-01 04:08:49 PM

MBrady: BizarreMan: Honors credit for band?  Really?  That's just stupid.  It shouldn't have been given out in the first place. I don't discount the effort and skill that is required to play a musical instrument.  But when the grading is entirely subjective by the teacher it's an easy way to pad your GPA.

Back when I was in high school, our valedictorian was the girl who had taken band, choir, and symphony every year.  She didn't have time for the more difficult higher level math, science or english courses because those would have interfered with her fine arts classes.

The valedictorian biatch for our class was taking art, home ec, and other BS classes, while #2 was talking AP History, Physics, Honors English, etc.

One year later, she was running one of those mini choo-choo trains at the mall.  Served her right.


Is this the thread where we biatch about this?

CSB
My best friend was on the steady path to be our Valedictorian. Perfect A in every class I can remember since beginning of middle school. No weighted classes either. We get to our junior year, and the final quarter of the year he gets a B in our english class. Brings him to a tie with the #2 in our class. The teacher? Mother of #2. I watched my best friend who was taking AP physics, AP biology, highest math we had(calculus), and an independent study in spanish to do all he could to make an impressive high school career, while #2 retook our math class our freshmen year so she didn't have to take the "hard" class our senior year, and padded her transcript with 4 years of art(which was an absolute joke in our school).
 
2014-03-01 04:09:59 PM
The kid probably planned his classes around weighted courses. If he knew band wouldn't be weighted I guarantee he wouldn't have taken it. Like was already said, it's so that kids aren't penalized in the GPA by taking a activities such as these.
 
2014-03-01 04:10:47 PM
It's ok kiddo, life after HS gets way easier.  Just wait and see.
 
2014-03-01 04:13:24 PM
It's so cute how some people think that high school politics and awards are in any way important.
 
2014-03-01 04:14:19 PM
He should eat an honors bowl of dicks, maybe that will make him feel better.
 
2014-03-01 04:16:10 PM

MFAWG: Uh, losing a year of tuition seems pretty concrete.


But he didn't lose any tuition... yet. You can't sue for a loss you *might* suffer. Additionally, I don't think it was certain that he was going to be the class valedictorian. I think the best he can hope for is to be restored to where he was before the loss of points.
 
2014-03-01 04:17:09 PM

jayphat: MBrady: BizarreMan: Honors credit for band?  Really?  That's just stupid.  It shouldn't have been given out in the first place. I don't discount the effort and skill that is required to play a musical instrument.  But when the grading is entirely subjective by the teacher it's an easy way to pad your GPA.

Back when I was in high school, our valedictorian was the girl who had taken band, choir, and symphony every year.  She didn't have time for the more difficult higher level math, science or english courses because those would have interfered with her fine arts classes.

The valedictorian biatch for our class was taking art, home ec, and other BS classes, while #2 was talking AP History, Physics, Honors English, etc.

One year later, she was running one of those mini choo-choo trains at the mall.  Served her right.

Is this the thread where we biatch about this?

CSB
My best friend was on the steady path to be our Valedictorian. Perfect A in every class I can remember since beginning of middle school. No weighted classes either. We get to our junior year, and the final quarter of the year he gets a B in our english class. Brings him to a tie with the #2 in our class. The teacher? Mother of #2. I watched my best friend who was taking AP physics, AP biology, highest math we had(calculus), and an independent study in spanish to do all he could to make an impressive high school career, while #2 retook our math class our freshmen year so she didn't have to take the "hard" class our senior year, and padded her transcript with 4 years of art(which was an absolute joke in our school).


My sister's class graduated the year before me. They had at least 6 valedictorians because there was no weighted grading. They had planned on introducing it during my senior year. We had one girl complain mightily about it because she was tied with 3-4 others for valedictorian at that point. She was taking Alg II (soph/jr course) and regular courses for every other subject. The others were in pretty much all AP classes. Administration said she was eligible for the weighted grades too, just had to choose those classes.

She did not end up valedictorian.
 
2014-03-01 04:21:13 PM

CruiserTwelve: MFAWG: Uh, losing a year of tuition seems pretty concrete.

But he didn't lose any tuition... yet. You can't sue for a loss you *might* suffer. Additionally, I don't think it was certain that he was going to be the class valedictorian. I think the best he can hope for is to be restored to where he was before the loss of points.


He was ranked #1 going into the last semester of his senior year. If he manages to get all A's again in this last semester, or at least do better than the #2 person, there is no chance that he'd drop from that spot, absent rule changes a couple of months before the end of the school year.

Why make a policy change like that so close to graduation? Again, if you need to make a change, you make it effective for everybody entering the following year, you don't change it for the people that are almost finished.
 
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