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(National Review)   Tennessee State University will be implanting chips in students in order to track their whereabouts. Just kidding...they just have to wear ID badges that can track them at all times. Failure to wear badge results in disciplinary action   (nationalreview.com) divider line 105
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2014-03-01 02:34:49 PM

Headso: It tracks your movement in and out of buildings I assume because you use the card like a hotel key to get in and out of the buildings, by the headline I'm thinking it's tracking your every movement, the NRO article is actually less alarmist than your headline subs, that should be one of those moments that makes you reflect on the path  you've chosen in life.


When I was in college, our ID cars were our keys to our dorm building and room as well as money that local retailers accepted. It was nice to be able to leave my room with just my car keys, driver's license, and ID card.
 
2014-03-01 02:37:30 PM

semiotix: Fissile: When I was in school there was a big problem with townies wandering around the campus looking for shiat to jack.  I would have welcomed having everyone where an ID badge so the campus cops could eject the trespassers more efficiently.

I went to a prissy little liberal arts college where you basically needed to have a note from God's own trust fund manager to attend. Two of my friends got caught using their precious little genius brains to run a burglary ring where they stole cheap knickknacks from people whose houses cost less than their tuitions.

I'm not saying it makes any sense, or that they were representative, just that we always talked about dirty thieving townies and yet those guys (plus a library employee who got caught selling rare books, and a bookstore employee who was embezzling) were the only thieves of any consequence who ever got caught.


I agree with you. Most of the crime on campus was committed by other students.  The bullshiat from my fellow students was quite enough for me, I didn't need townie puke on top of it.
 
2014-03-01 02:37:45 PM
Jesus H. Christ
 
2014-03-01 02:38:04 PM

FrancoFile: wxboy: FrancoFile: The_Original_Roxtar: buy an rfid blocking wallet.
"i'm carrying the id... just not in a manner that allows you to scan it whenever you damn well please"

what possible benefit could the university gain from this?

RTFA
There's a crime wave on campus.  Probably a lot of inside jobs.  So they are trying to track the movements of employees as well as students.  And by putting everything on one card (physical access, ID, meal tickets, parking, etc.) they save in the long run on replacement cards, card readers, servers & SW, etc.

So it will be really simple:  When you're going to commit a crime, leave your ID in your dorm room or with someone else.  Then you'll have "proof" that you weren't involved.

No, you don't get it.  This is about access control.

Let's say you're a custodian.  You let your gangbanger cousin 'borrow' your keys one night so he can go in the loading dock doors and steal TVs from the classrooms.  But now you have to swipe your ID card to get in the loading dock. to get from the loading dock to the basement, and to get from the basement to the lecture halls.  You don't have plausible deniability any more.


"I must dropped it on my way home."

Or let's say you're a student.  You think you can cruise into one of the dorms on Thursday afternoon and steal phones and computers.  But if you're a resident of Jones hall, and you swipe to get into the 5th floor west of Smith hall, and then 4 people on Smith 5 West report stolen computers, guess who's going to be getting a visit from the cops?

So, all I need to do it wait until I see someone from another dorm in mine, and I can go on a crime spree, and they'll suspect the other guy? Cool.
 
2014-03-01 02:40:46 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-01 02:43:20 PM
While there is technology for tracking people within a building, currently used by some prisons, this just sounds like normal NFC, and wouldn't have that tracking ability without a lot of money spent on adding sensors to every room.

This just sounds like someone with coveralls, and a clipboard went into a building, and walked out with a bunch of computer equipment because they looked like they worked there, so they want people to wear ID.
 
2014-03-01 02:43:49 PM
I am pretty sure that tracking people's asses everywhere violates the constitutional rights of the victim (such as the spirit of the clause against unreasonable search and seizure of private papers) and thus is something that only the Government and large corporations get to do, thanks to the Patriot Act One and Two.

If you are competing with Google, Apple and the NSA, my advice is to quit.  If the students do anything wrong or stupid, it will be on their cellphones, laptops, etc.
 
2014-03-01 02:48:44 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: buy an rfid blocking wallet.
"i'm carrying the id... just not in a manner that allows you to scan it whenever you damn well please"

what possible benefit could the university gain from this?


SCAD requires student IDs be shown to get into *any* school building, including the library, and to use their buses. Their campus is spread out across a downtown area though, so it's mostly for security. But if you forget your ID or don't have a current validation sticker, they won't let you on the bus because they know you or let you in the building because they know you. And most buildings require swiping the card, so, not that different from this.

Wish they'd had RFID instead of having to swipe the damn things like a credit card. I never could figure out which way it was supposed to go.
 
2014-03-01 02:49:03 PM
This, FaceBook, NSA, and so on....somewhere there are billions of people who are sick of hearing George Orwell say "Told you so!".
 
2014-03-01 02:51:49 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: xanadian: Funny how a college in a state full of fundies is implementing the Mark of the Beast (even if it's in RFID card form).

TSU is a historically black college not a fundy den.


NOW it makes sense.
 
2014-03-01 02:52:00 PM

semiotix: Because I'm not into apocalypse porn, I won't click on an NRO link. Googling "Tennessee State University RFID" brings up the NRO article, a bunch of people reporting on the NRO article, and not much else. Near the bottom of my first page of results was this blog post saying "ZOMG WTF RFID BENGHAZIIIII... oh, wait, retracted because this is basically nothing."

They want employees to wear their IDs in visible form, which is basically SOP at lots of workplaces anyway. They want students to display their IDs, too, which will happen approximately never. (If we could make college students wear badges, we could make them read books and not drink themselves to death.) The technology could be used to track you in an extremely half-assed way, if you made a point of rubbing your card up against the sensors whether or not the door was locked. But this has almost no inherent surveillance advantages over a campus rent-a-cop with a notepad and pencil. (Press release.)

Is it completely unnecessary and undertaken with faintly dickish fantasies dancing in some administrator's head? Yeah, probably. But it's still nothing in the grand scheme of things, which is probably why NRO is all over it.



Thank you. I suspected as much once I saw the NRO tag. That's like a red flag letting you know that the story is going to be bullshiat, so I avoid clicking on them. NRO has all the credibility of Pravda without any of the charm.
 
2014-03-01 02:58:03 PM
Even Sister Miriam Godwinson doesn't tolerate bullshiat like the self aware university.

"Will we next create false gods to rule over us?"
 
2014-03-01 02:58:21 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Next semester's hot fashion accessory will the Faraday Pouch.


You can always spot the computer science and engineering majors.

// one free internet for you
 
2014-03-01 02:59:11 PM

mikaloyd: xanadian: Funny how a college in a state full of fundies is implementing the Mark of the Beast (even if it's in RFID card form).

You said it. Filthy fundies deserve no better. I hope this spreads throughout the south. Because they are all red necked racist fundie homophobic no count republican bastards in the South who lack teeth reading skills and even the slightest empathy for their fellow men. The farkin hillbillies. We should lynch em, cept new rope costs money and they arent worth the expense. Grrr those fundies piss me off. Subhumans they are who deserve bad treatment. they cant be saved.


Dude try the decaf
 
2014-03-01 03:00:20 PM
lafinlarry.net


Won the Photoshop contest I posted this in, but not with this one, which I thought should have polled better than the one which won.
And too lazy to find the actual "I don't have to show you any stinking badges" picture.
 
2014-03-01 03:00:28 PM
When anonymity is outlawed, only outlaws will remain anonymous.
 
2014-03-01 03:01:27 PM

FrancoFile: The_Original_Roxtar: buy an rfid blocking wallet.
"i'm carrying the id... just not in a manner that allows you to scan it whenever you damn well please"

what possible benefit could the university gain from this?

RTFA
There's a crime wave on campus.  Probably a lot of inside jobs.  So they are trying to track the movements of employees as well as students.  And by putting everything on one card (physical access, ID, meal tickets, parking, etc.) they save in the long run on replacement cards, card readers, servers & SW, etc.


And it makes theft and identity theft SO much easier. Especially since there's probably loads of other identifying personal information on those cards.
 
2014-03-01 03:02:06 PM

Metalupis: i see a spike of purchases of rfid blocking wallets coming


/also, don't tell anyone that you could already track probably 75% of the people on campus by their phones


Don't tell anyone that businesses do the same to their employees through their badges and phones as well.
 
2014-03-01 03:02:17 PM
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2014-03-01 03:02:33 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: xanadian: Funny how a college in a state full of fundies is implementing the Mark of the Beast (even if it's in RFID card form).

TSU is a historically black college not a fundy den.


Ah, that explains it. Get those darkies used to ankle bracelets and surveillance
 
2014-03-01 03:02:47 PM

JoieD'Zen: Fissile: When I was in school there was a big problem with townies wandering around the campus looking for shiat to jack.  I would have welcomed having everyone where an ID badge so the campus cops could eject the trespassers more efficiently.

You sound poor, with low test scores.


Really?  If someone used the word townie to me, I'd assume mommy and daddy sent them away for an all expenses paid education.  At my college, most students were also townies and grew up in the area because we couldn't afford to move away to college.  Yes, I sound poor, but at least, I know, how to, use commas
 
2014-03-01 03:03:37 PM

geek_mars: As long as the monitoring/tracking is confined to the campus, I wouldn't have a big problem complying.


When some middle manager at the university learns you can sell the data to marketers that data will promptly be shipped off to be mined.
 
2014-03-01 03:05:56 PM
I seem to remember from a detectve story how to keep your privacy in this electronic age was not to hide but to make more data entries multiple accounts move little bit of cash around to confuse the government many trails make it harder on the tracker. Off the grid life is really no life at all
 
2014-03-01 03:07:34 PM
Btw will a microwave kill and RFID chip In 30 seconds?

Or will a static hard drive bag block the signal?
 
2014-03-01 03:07:43 PM
And who's forcing anyone to go to this university? If you don't like the ID badge thing, there are plenty of other colleges all over the country.
 
2014-03-01 03:11:16 PM

mikaloyd: xanadian: Funny how a college in a state full of fundies is implementing the Mark of the Beast (even if it's in RFID card form).

You said it. Filthy fundies deserve no better. I hope this spreads throughout the south. Because they are all red necked racist fundie homophobic no count republican bastards in the South who lack teeth reading skills and even the slightest empathy for their fellow men. The farkin hillbillies. We should lynch em, cept new rope costs money and they arent worth the expense. Grrr those fundies piss me off. Subhumans they are who deserve bad treatment. they cant be saved.


Looks like someone either needs to double the dosage, or start cutting the pills in half.
 
2014-03-01 03:11:35 PM
And everyone ignores my follow up comments..
 
2014-03-01 03:11:37 PM

aerojockey: The only thing that's changed is the requirement to present.


I seriously doubt even that's a change. Somewhere in the fine print there's always a rule saying that if you have an ID, you have to show it on demand. They had that on my college ID 20 years ago, and I was never asked to show it except when I was signing out one of the pool tables.

What we do know is that everyone's supposed to wear them now, which will get compliance so low among students that hipsters will start wearing them just because other people aren't.
 
2014-03-01 03:15:28 PM

el_pilgrim: xanadian: Funny how a college in a state full of fundies is implementing the Mark of the Beast (even if it's in RFID card form).

Being a Tennessee native myself, could you please tell me what a 'fundie' is as well as explain 'the Mark of the Beast'?

Thanks in advance.


Fundie: Fundementalist Christianity

Mark of the Beast: In the book of revalations? Satan makes everyone wear a mark on their hands so they can be known. Because of this, fundies sometimes have an illogical reaction to any form of tracking system, beleiving it to be satanic.
 
2014-03-01 03:16:15 PM

Ambivalence: So, just like a job.

 
2014-03-01 03:27:23 PM
so much for "the volunteer state."
 
2014-03-01 03:32:26 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: And everyone ignores my follow up comments..


Have you Favorited as a TFer who achieves self-actualization through Fark follow-up fun.
Does this FU help your quest?
 
2014-03-01 03:33:24 PM

mllawso: Pretty much. The "tracking" feature is limited to "what card was used to unlock the door at what time". But "OMG TRACKING!!!111111" sells more page views. RFID tags have a range of inches -- at best feet.

/unless you're using specialized equipment, then you're better off using a "tracking" technology that's actually designed to ... track things.


Like E-ZPass.

/a range of inches!
 
2014-03-01 03:33:29 PM
I would only approve of this if it was a religious base school so you know they were not being traced by liberals. Our children need to be protected from the liberals, they teach them so many things.

/the comments on that article are the best
 
2014-03-01 03:38:54 PM

badhatharry: Jesus H. Christ


Serious question: I get the "Jesus" and "Christ" but what the hell does the "H" stand for?
/"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.."
 
2014-03-01 03:40:45 PM

Metalupis: i see a spike of purchases of rfid blocking wallets coming


/also, don't tell anyone that you could already track probably 75% 100% of the people on campus by their phones


FTFY
 
2014-03-01 03:56:49 PM
These are swipe badges to let you into locked buildings, subby. Meant to prevent unauthorized entry to campus buildings to cut down on theft. Not a tracking device.
 
2014-03-01 04:12:28 PM
www.cultofvhs.com
 
2014-03-01 04:15:00 PM
Wouldn't this making solving crimes even harder?

Leave your badge in the library, go commit crime, come back.

Your honor here is proof my client was in the library studying!
 
2014-03-01 04:27:19 PM
generallyso:

Like E-ZPass.

/a range of inches!


Hey, 400 inches is still inches.
 
2014-03-01 04:52:31 PM
And then they'll make RFID blocking wallets illegal...

Or they'll start taking attendance in class (or more likely time spent in the lab on your own either for a class or work/study) and if you're blocking your RFID you'll be SOL.
 
2014-03-01 05:04:55 PM

wxboy: FrancoFile: The_Original_Roxtar: buy an rfid blocking wallet.
"i'm carrying the id... just not in a manner that allows you to scan it whenever you damn well please"

what possible benefit could the university gain from this?

RTFA
There's a crime wave on campus.  Probably a lot of inside jobs.  So they are trying to track the movements of employees as well as students.  And by putting everything on one card (physical access, ID, meal tickets, parking, etc.) they save in the long run on replacement cards, card readers, servers & SW, etc.

So it will be really simple:  When you're going to commit a crime, leave your ID in your dorm room or with someone else.  Then you'll have "proof" that you weren't involved.


My thoughts exactly.
 
2014-03-01 05:06:01 PM

rkiller1: badhatharry: Jesus H. Christ

Serious question: I get the "Jesus" and "Christ" but what the hell does the "H" stand for?


Harold.
 
2014-03-01 05:07:52 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: xanadian: Funny how a college in a state full of fundies is implementing the Mark of the Beast (even if it's in RFID card form).

TSU is a historically black college not a fundy den.


Came here to say this.  Crime is pretty common...my friend went to school there, but she moved off of campus almost immediately because people were being robbed in her dorm.
 
2014-03-01 05:09:17 PM

bborchar: Doktor_Zhivago: xanadian: Funny how a college in a state full of fundies is implementing the Mark of the Beast (even if it's in RFID card form).

TSU is a historically black college not a fundy den.

Came here to say this.  Crime is pretty common...my friend went to school there, but she moved off of campus almost immediately because people were being robbed in her dorm.


Also, thought I'd mention that she got a full ride scholarship...for being white.

/yeah, I paid to go to school at UTK
 
2014-03-01 05:09:21 PM

Fissile: When I was in school there was a big problem with townies wandering around the campus looking for shiat to jack.  I would have welcomed having everyone where an ID badge so the campus cops could eject the trespassers more efficiently.


Given the low numbers of officers on campus police staffs, requiring visible IDs won't do jack for the burglary rate.
 
2014-03-01 06:00:43 PM
And how far are we from a point where having a college degree will be considered proof that you are a moron.
 
2014-03-01 06:14:17 PM

gingerjet: geek_mars: As long as the monitoring/tracking is confined to the campus, I wouldn't have a big problem complying.

When some middle manager at the university learns you can sell the data to marketers that data will promptly be shipped off to be mined.


Could they sell it? I'm completely ignorant as to whether or not there are laws that would prevent that. One the one hand, it's the university's data, on the other hand there are student privacy issues.
Would it be worth anything? If the monitoring/tracking is confined to campus then the only data would be related to where & when a student goes. I doubt many marketers would find it advantageous to know that J. Smith enters the Chemistry building twice a week at 9:00am or that S. Jones enters the gymnasium once a week at 7:00pm.
I guess I'd need more information on what type of data they're collecting and how much. There might not be much there worth mining.
 
rpm
2014-03-01 07:12:07 PM

rkiller1: badhatharry: Jesus H. Christ

Serious question: I get the "Jesus" and "Christ" but what the hell does the "H" stand for?
/"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.."


Haploid
 
2014-03-01 07:59:27 PM
Individual here familiar with University security systems

The problem with the software and systems for security is it goes end-of-life cycle within 5 years or less

So, that state-of-the-art card access/Biometric/RFD security system you bought in 2003, that runs on Windows XP and Win2K servers isn't going to be updated because the company you bought it from has gone through several acquisitions and doesn't exist any more. The engineers who designed and supported the system are long gone, so updating the software is out of the questions. You may be able to get some support for the old software/hardware vendor, but chances are that the costs would be more than scrapping and installing a whole new security system.

And good luck in getting that funding. Education has a much higher priority than security when it comes to donors shelling out to colleges.

So your college winds up with several incompatible generations of security system software and hardware depending upon the IT veteran who knows where to tweak, "fudge" the licensing and  scrounge the parts needed to keep it (somewhat) working.

And then the college stupidly lays off the IT guy because of more funding cutbacks.

All I can say is good luck with that.
 
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