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(Daily Mail)   Marines happy they are once again allowed to roll up their sleeves. Apparently, this is a big deal   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 62
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2014-03-01 11:41:09 AM  
Is that a M40?  Sure as -bleep- isn't a Barret.
 
2014-03-01 12:49:56 PM  

2wolves: Is that a M40?  Sure as -bleep- isn't a Barret.


no, he is just happy to see you
 
2014-03-01 12:50:08 PM  
Semper fabulous!
 
2014-03-01 12:52:19 PM  

2wolves: Is that a M40?  Sure as -bleep- isn't a Barret.


www.firearmsworld.net

M40A5, built on the Remington 700 series platform. .308 Caliber IIRC.
 
2014-03-01 12:53:05 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Semper fabulous!


Okay, we may not be done here but this puts us darn close to the finish.
 
2014-03-01 12:53:07 PM  
"Order: Marines will have to keep their sleeves down in combat situations to prevent sunburn and insect bites "

I never knew this was the main concern in combat situations.
 
2014-03-01 12:56:54 PM  
A good decision from top brass.

/Marine Core Forever
 
2014-03-01 12:57:27 PM  
We had sleeves up in desert storm. Since we rolled our sleeves different from the army it made it easy to identify us as Marines.  We also never had any combat issues, especially when it's 120 out.
 
2014-03-01 12:57:43 PM  
I'm so glad the marines are allowed to use their fashion to signal to other subgroups within their own grouping how cool they are.
 
2014-03-01 12:58:15 PM  

Kaka: "Order: Marines will have to keep their sleeves down in combat situations to prevent sunburn and insect bites "

I never knew this was the main concern in combat situations.


Well, disease has historically been the world's biggest killer of armies.

For now-- in advanced armies-- it's less about malaria and typhoid killing, more about severe burns and bites diminishing combat readiness and effectiveness. But don't count out Horseman Disease just yet. He's working on fresh, antibiotic-resistant hells.
 
2014-03-01 12:58:41 PM  
When I was in the core, we worried about more important things than rolling up our sleeves. Stuff like fighting for our country and stuff.
 
2014-03-01 01:02:40 PM  

Kaka: "Order: Marines will have to keep their sleeves down in combat situations to prevent sunburn and insect bites "

I never knew this was the main concern in combat situations.


The health of the soldiers is paramount. Everything from ill-fitting boots to inadequate headgear has a direct impact on combat effectiveness.

Not to mention the diseases you can get from insect bites.

Even as recently as WWII, deaths from diseases exceeded deaths in combat for some theaters.
 
2014-03-01 01:03:39 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I'm so glad the marines are allowed to use their fashion to signal to other subgroups within their own grouping how cool they are.


Me too, except I'm not snarking. Marines are by far the smallest service, train the hardest as a service, and spend more time in the shiat than any service. Just to be clear: I'm comparing services, not specialty units (SEALS, Rangers, etc.) Anyhow, they earn the right to distinguish themselves. Frankly, while it's not the word *I'd* use, they are "cooler."

/All fashion is about distinguishing subgroups, and doing it for morale has real military value.
 
2014-03-01 01:06:29 PM  

Kaka: "Order: Marines will have to keep their sleeves down in combat situations to prevent sunburn and insect bites "

I never knew this was the main concern in combat situations.


Insects will bite you anyway. What little brain they have is quite adapt to finding some bare skin.
 
2014-03-01 01:08:22 PM  

BigGrnEggGriller: When I was in the core, we worried about more important things than rolling up our sleeves. Stuff like fighting for our country and stuff.


LOL. But I bet you'd have been pissed to hear the other services using "Oorah!"

BTW, the CLT construction thread closed before I got back to it, and I wanted to thank you for the explanations regarding wood vs steel under various conditions!

/now back to our show
 
2014-03-01 01:12:51 PM  

spawn73: Kaka: "Order: Marines will have to keep their sleeves down in combat situations to prevent sunburn and insect bites "

I never knew this was the main concern in combat situations.

Insects will bite you anyway. What little brain they have is quite adapt to finding some bare skin.


As any experienced hiker knows, the less exposed surface area, the more protection and the fewer *successful* bug bites you'll endure. And of you're in an area where, say, one in five mosquitoes carries malaria... you do all you can to reduce the number of bites you'll get in a day.

/thus the advice never to wear shorts in deer tick country, no matter how hot it is.
 
2014-03-01 01:23:11 PM  

brimed03: thus the advice never to wear shorts in deer tick country, no matter how hot it is.


Pfff.... who cares when you have cans of this stuff

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2014-03-01 01:23:23 PM  
I was brought in to automate a factory that the Corps had on a base. Gulf War one hit and the retired Marines I thought were slackers turned into the most dedicated, impressive workers I have ever seen. Cots were set up so that if a custom part was needed, they would be woken up and it would get made for the next outgoing transport. Yes, I was there 24x7 to make sure our system worked. Damn but the commitment was awesome. My reward was drinking with a retired Marine in his basement. Supposedly only the second civilian to do so. He had a whole wall of Presidential citations that had EVERYTHING blacked out but his name. Mostly JFK. He joked that he was in cuba more times than castro. I was honered that his keg cooler was left to me in his will

Now compare that to the canon fodder. Locally a car that had NC plates, Corps stickers all over the back window and bumper, four guys in the car with minimal hair, etc.  in front of me at the ATM. They were having issues with the ATM. I walked up and asked "can I help corps?" The reply was "how did you know we were Marines? (duh, NC plate, Marine stickers everywhere, very short haircuts, duh). Loaned them $200 that was repaid.

I suppose the point of this post is tat there are two classes of Marines, That the ones that run the system are very, very good at what they do.
 
2014-03-01 01:27:03 PM  
Marines pride themselves on looking the part. All our uniforms distinguish us from the other branches, having rolled sleeves in our cammies is no different. It's also a point of pride within a unit to try to get the tightest, most cleanly rolled sleeves, kind of like mall cops pride themselves on having the largest Canadian Mountie hats. It's stupid to most outsiders, but it's important to us.
 
2014-03-01 01:33:11 PM  
Waiting for a newbie to correct the spelling.
It usually happens much earlier than this.
 
2014-03-01 01:33:32 PM  

Kaka: "Order: Marines will have to keep their sleeves down in combat situations to prevent sunburn and insect bites "

I never knew this was the main concern in combat situations.


It's the military, everything from brushing your teeth to taking a dump is covered, war or peace.  In the Army, when I was stationed at Ft. Bliss, if you got a bad sunburn, it was an Article 15 offense.  Since it was the desert, they didn't talk about biting bugs. so much.  Probably, if you got stung by a scorpion, it was dishonorable discharge.
 
2014-03-01 01:35:28 PM  

dv-ous: Even as recently as WWII, deaths from diseases exceeded deaths in combat for some theaters.


That's why I do my fighting strictly in indoor theaters.
 
2014-03-01 01:37:02 PM  
To be fair, every service sets itself apart from the others since no two branches utilize the same uniforms
 
2014-03-01 01:37:40 PM  
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2014-03-01 01:38:24 PM  

Resident Muslim: Waiting for a newbie to correct the spelling.
It usually happens much earlier than this.


role up their sleeves?
 
2014-03-01 01:44:50 PM  
"U.S Marines were up in arms when a 2011 decree banned them from rolling the sleeves of their desert uniforms up - but now they're getting ready to roll again, because army chiefs have done an about-face on the policy"

Army?
 
2014-03-01 01:45:32 PM  
marines.  the only group of people who take more pride in their own idiocy are members of congress.

sleeve-rolling is about the inability to quickly prepare yourself for a bio-chem attack.
 
2014-03-01 01:50:34 PM  

craigzy: marines.  the only group of people who take more pride in their own idiocy are members of congress.

sleeve-rolling is about the inability to quickly prepare yourself for a bio-chem attack.


And if the usmc didn't need to be special snowflakes and would just roll their sleeves properly like everyone else it wouldn't have even been an issue. A tight, properly rolled USAF or USA sleeve can be jerked down into ready position farkin instantly.
 
2014-03-01 01:53:16 PM  

craigzy: marines.  the only group of people who take more pride in their own idiocy are members of congress.

sleeve-rolling is about the inability to quickly prepare yourself for a bio-chem attack.


Sleeve rolling only occurs in garrison.
 
2014-03-01 01:54:50 PM  
Who even deploys with mopp gear anymore?
 
2014-03-01 02:01:06 PM  

SuperSecretSquirrel: All our uniforms distinguish us from the other branches,


You're not really doing the Marines a favor by admitting you can't tell the difference between a soldier, sailor or airman
 
2014-03-01 02:01:12 PM  
So I see lots of people in here who couldn't complete an obstacle course if their life depended on it. Of course you're qualified to judge members of the service & military cohesiveness.....
 
2014-03-01 02:06:52 PM  

craigzy: marines.  the only group of people who take more pride in their own idiocy are members of congress.

sleeve-rolling is about the inability to quickly prepare yourself for a bio-chem attack.


You may think yourself smart amongst the uneducated but I assure you it's nothing more. In fact you've made it quite obvious you know nothing of military affairs.
 
2014-03-01 02:11:29 PM  

smunns: We had sleeves up in desert storm. Since we rolled our sleeves different from the army it made it easy to identify us as Marines.  We also never had any combat issues, especially when it's 120 out.


I believe what they are referring to is the manner in which the sleeved are rolled.
 
2014-03-01 02:11:30 PM  

Watubi: SuperSecretSquirrel: All our uniforms distinguish us from the other branches,

You're not really doing the Marines a favor by admitting you can't tell the difference between a soldier, sailor or airman


I'm not sure how you made the correlation that I couldn't tell the difference between them. As far as the non-military public goes, I'd be surprised if 10% of the could.
 
2014-03-01 02:15:28 PM  
So... Amos briefly pulled his head out of his ass?
 
2014-03-01 02:15:49 PM  

craigzy: marines.  the only group of people who take more pride in their own idiocy are members of congress.

sleeve-rolling is about the inability to quickly prepare yourself for a bio-chem attack.


If you think the standard-issue combat uniform can do anything to protect you in a chemical or biological attack, you are sadly mistaken.
 
2014-03-01 02:18:03 PM  
Next thing you know, they'll be asking to play with their guns in their bunks.
 
2014-03-01 02:21:46 PM  
My google-fu is sucking hard today. I have been trying to locate the original 'marine core' thread for my former/ex Marine Corps husband so he can lulz. Any help?
 
2014-03-01 02:22:11 PM  
'I can't tell you how many times we have been asked the persistent question "Commandant, are we ever going to return to SLEEVES UP?" I've thought a lot about this over the past 2 .5 years; I realize that it's important to you. Sleeves up clearly and visually sets us apart. WE HEAR YOU MARINES!

It took you two and a half farking years for that to sink in? That's some fine leadership, LouAmos.
 
2014-03-01 02:25:08 PM  

hardinparamedic: 2wolves: Is that a M40?  Sure as -bleep- isn't a Barret.



M40A5, built on the Remington 700 series platform. .308 Caliber IIRC.


I haven't touched an M40 since 1978-ish.
 
2014-03-01 02:25:29 PM  
The usmc is like the special kid in the military sibling picture
 
2014-03-01 02:27:51 PM  

brimed03: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm so glad the marines are allowed to use their fashion to signal to other subgroups within their own grouping how cool they are.

Me too, except I'm not snarking. Marines are by far the smallest service, train the hardest as a service, and spend more time in the shiat than any service. Just to be clear: I'm comparing services, not specialty units (SEALS, Rangers, etc.) Anyhow, they earn the right to distinguish themselves. Frankly, while it's not the word *I'd* use, they are "cooler."

/All fashion is about distinguishing subgroups, and doing it for morale has real military value.


Yeah, not the smallest service.
 
2014-03-01 02:30:11 PM  
Sun's out, guns out.
 
2014-03-01 02:33:00 PM  

Subtle_Canary: The usmc is like the special kid in the military sibling picture


Yeah, but we got that prison-retard strength, which is extremely beneficial in a fight.
 
2014-03-01 02:34:48 PM  
Ha! Chair Force.
 
2014-03-01 02:35:12 PM  

SuperSecretSquirrel: Subtle_Canary: The usmc is like the special kid in the military sibling picture

Yeah, but we got that prison-retard strength, which is extremely beneficial in a fight.


Not very useful when your sitting mud hitting yourself in the head...
 
2014-03-01 02:50:34 PM  

BigGrnEggGriller: When I was in the core, we worried about more important things than rolling up our sleeves. Stuff like fighting for our country and stuff.


That's why it is so stupid that the practice of rolling sleeves was even banned in the first place. These are the types of issues that are being discussed amongst top leaders in the Marine Corps. This and whether or not Marines can put their hands in their pockets. I remember a while back some officers were upset because Marines in combat zones didn't wear their gear uniformly. What is the point of using modular gear in the first place if some idiot decides that every Marine has to configure his gear the same way?
 
2014-03-01 03:03:50 PM  

Seacop: SuperSecretSquirrel: Subtle_Canary: The usmc is like the special kid in the military sibling picture

Yeah, but we got that prison-retard strength, which is extremely beneficial in a fight.

Not very useful when your sitting mud hitting yourself in the head...


Please take a moment and read that sentence out loud to yourself.  Particularly the "your sitting mud hitting yourself" part, which I find endearing.
 
2014-03-01 03:04:13 PM  

Subtle_Canary: And if the usmc didn't need to be special snowflakes


Subtle_Canary: The usmc is like the special kid in the military sibling picture


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Location: Shaw AFB

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