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2014-03-01 10:25:37 AM
9 votes:
FTFA:"Westbrook knocked on the door and tried to enter to Hendrix's home in Chickamauga, and was then later confronted Hendrix outside the home.

Hendrix then shot at Westbrook when he felt he was being physically threatened. Westbrook was fatally shot once in the chest.

The 911 call came in about 4:00am on November 27, 2013 from a home on Cottage Crest Court. Investigators say 34-year-old Joe Hendrix of Ooltewah shot Westbrook who had been walking around the outside of the home for several minutes and repeatedly ringing the doorbell."



That is not self defense, that was not standing his ground, that was some asshole looking to use his gun.  He exercised very poor judgement and decided to be a tough guy rather than lock his door and call 911 immediately.  There was several minutes between initial contact to shooting.  This is murder through and through.

I mean...this mothafarka actually left the relative safety of his domicile...with his farking gun and the local DA is still refusing to prosecute him?  WTF Georgia?
2014-03-01 10:50:42 AM
6 votes:

Olo Manolo: Even the people that were close to the old man understood the situation for what it was -- a misunderstanding. Get over it..


A 34-year-old man felt so threatened by a 72-year-old man walking around his home at 4 AM that he went outside with a gun? Bullshiat!

I would have called the cops and hung out inside my locked house with my guns. If he came inside somehow, I might shoot him or asked him why he was there.
2014-03-01 12:25:55 PM
5 votes:

Endive Wombat: That is not self defense, that was not standing his ground, that was some asshole looking to use his gun. He exercised very poor judgement and decided to be a tough guy rather than lock his door and call 911 immediately. There was several minutes between initial contact to shooting. This is murder through and through.


I'm a gun owner and a lifetime member of the NRA and I agree with this 100%
Hang the bastard.
2014-03-01 12:09:57 PM
5 votes:
Let's face it, some gun owners can't wait to kill one of their fellow human beings.

And are cowards.
2014-03-01 12:38:11 PM
4 votes:

RottenEggs: Yeah he should have stayed inside and waited for some unknown assailant (who had already tried to force his way in )to start shooting through  the windows .


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Hey look. A troll, or an idiot with a "IM THE DECIDER MENTALITY!"

The gun is to defend yourself WHEN he breaks in. It is not to engage in a hollywood gunfight with someone in the dark of night outside your house.

Until then, you stay down, stay quiet, and wait for the cops to get there. You only use the gun when confronted. You don't go out like Ahnold.
2014-03-01 07:57:51 PM
3 votes:
Things in this thread that don't surprise me:

The number of people that see no reason for "stand your ground" type laws, because nobody has ever been a victim of violence and needed to defend themselves. (And had that been the case, the police would have been just around the corner with teddy bears to defuse the situation.)

The number of idiots that think everybody who owns a firearm is a bloodthirsty loon, with no life outside of hunting down innocent people.

Things in this thread that do surprise me:

The number of Farkers that apparently have an amazing ability to make snap calls about people's intentions and mental status when they were just scared awake at 4am, based on a shadow that attempted to make entry into their residence then approached when told to stop. (You should all be making a lot more money than you do. Law enforcement agencies and psychological facilities would pay lots of money for that magical ability)

Yeah, the guy is a pussy and he made a poor decision that cost somebody their life. But everybody that is trying to frame this situation as "He clearly saw that it was an innocent old Alzheimer's patient kindly begging for a blanket, and shot him just for the fun of it because gun owners are like that" is misrepresenting what happened to make it fit their own narrative about "those crazy farking gun-nuts".
2014-03-01 04:14:43 PM
3 votes:
Best comment on the story, from another article - Second Amendment Man Finds Miracle Cure For Alzheimers.


// if legitimate fear for ones safety is all that is required for an affirmative SYG defense, any open carry citizen or CCW  who displays can be shot on sight, right?  I mean if "I thought he might have a gun!" works, surely "he had a gun!" does.
2014-03-01 02:58:06 PM
3 votes:

peasandcarrots: edmo: ARGO

A 34-year old felt threatened by a 72-year old Alzheimers dude? Real tough guy there.

I call it the "I'm so very scared" defense.

"You shot that guy in cold blood!"
"I was terrified."
"He's a senile 97-year-old man with diabetes and Alzheimer's!"
"He scared me to death."
"He was completely unarmed!"
"Yep. Terrified. Frightened out of my wits."
"All he did was ring the doorbell!"
"So very scared. Felt so threatened. Much fear."
"He didn't even come into the house!"
"Did you miss the part where I was absolutely terrified?"
"Did you even try to call the cops??"
"Scared. Oh so scared. You just can't imagine how scared."
"So what you're saying is you're a complete and utter pussy who shoots first and asks questions later."
"Now you're getting it!"

If you turn "I was so very scared" into a legal defense, you get shiat like this. If the choice is between admitting that you're a complete coward entirely incapable of assessing the threat level of a given situation (and therefore should probably not be trusted with anything more lethal than a Crayola crayon) or going to jail for three and a half for man-two, you'll happily admit to being a coward - and be allowed to keep your weapons afterwards.

"I was scared" shouldn't be a legal defense because it doesn't have anything to do with the victim. It has to do with the shooter's perception of the victim. That's something the victim has no control over. If my neighbor is a shoot-first paranoid, I can't fix that. Besides, we scare too easily in this country.


I was scared is not a legal defense....You have to have something to back it up. You're right that it is a sketchy defense but otherwise like in California they want to make it to where you can't shoot even if the perp is in your home. You would basically have to wait until they are in the act of violence against you/of raping you then you could shoot.
2014-03-01 02:49:47 PM
3 votes:

Felgraf: KimNorth: clancifer: Olo Manolo: Even the people that were close to the old man understood the situation for what it was -- a misunderstanding. Get over it..

Oh, that's it. Another SYG victory, eh?

Have you ever met someone or dealt with someone who has Alzheimer's? They are not all just nice forgetful elderly folks. They can be very crazy as they become pissed off people who think they are the ones being wronged and frustrated because they know something is wrong but not sure what. They become violent and will kick your ass. This same person may not have been like that before.

Do they have super-strength and the ability to bust through doors like the hulk?

No?

Then why the fark go outside to confront them with a gun?


I wouldn't go outside at all! The guys girlfriend was on the phone with 911 so there was no reason for it anyway. So sad for the guy who shot as I believe him, all he seen was a guy in the dark coming at him after being told several times to stop. The poor old guy had no clue what was going on. We need a better system for our elderly.
2014-03-01 01:45:49 PM
3 votes:

clancifer: Olo Manolo: Even the people that were close to the old man understood the situation for what it was -- a misunderstanding. Get over it..

Oh, that's it. Another SYG victory, eh?


Have you ever met someone or dealt with someone who has Alzheimer's? They are not all just nice forgetful elderly folks. They can be very crazy as they become pissed off people who think they are the ones being wronged and frustrated because they know something is wrong but not sure what. They become violent and will kick your ass. This same person may not have been like that before.
2014-03-01 12:52:46 PM
3 votes:
I'm a gun nut, and fark this guy. He went outside because he obviously hoped he'd be able to shoot someone.

I always have access to my gun in my house, and if someone keeps ringing the doorbell I'm gonna assume it's someone crazy, drunk, or senile and call the cops so they can come get them. I'm not gonna go outside. It's for if someone actually tries or succeeds to break in.

If the guy wanted to see who it was he could have called to the guy from inside the doorway to see what was going on. Then if the guy attempt to approach shut the interior door. If the guy attempts to break the door down or something only THEN is there reason to consider using a firearm.
2014-03-01 12:14:09 PM
3 votes:
FTFA: D.A. Herbert "Buzz" Franklin sent a news release Friday, explaining the details surrounding the case that touched on the "stand your ground" laws that are on the books in some states.

Are they on the books in Georgia?  What the fark difference do "some states" make?  "Some states'" laws do not apply in Georgia.

AirForceVet: 34-year-old man felt so threatened by a 72-year-old man walking around his home at 4 AM that he went outside with a gun? Bullshiat!


That's the critical part.  When the killer initiated the confrontation, he lost the "self defense" and "stand your ground" claims.
2014-03-01 10:23:39 PM
2 votes:

Olo Manolo: The number of Farkers that apparently have an amazing ability to make snap calls about people's intentions and mental status when they were just scared awake at 4am, based on a shadow that attempted to make entry into their residence then approached when told to stop. (You should all be making a lot more money than you do. Law enforcement agencies and psychological facilities would pay lots of money for that magical ability)


There sure are a lot of farkers who are literally scared of shadows.  You know how you deal with shadows?  YOU TURN ON THE FARKING PORCH LIGHT!
2014-03-01 09:22:37 PM
2 votes:
Olo Manolo:

Yeah, the guy is a pussy and he made a poor decision that cost somebody their life. But everybody that is trying to frame this situation as "He clearly saw that it was an innocent old Alzheimer's patient kindly begging for a blanket, and shot him just for the fun of it because gun owners are like that" is misrepresenting what happened to make it fit their own narrative about "those crazy farking gun-nuts".

That's what I was doing? Well, thanks for telling me!  And here all this time I thought the fact that the guy who went outside and confronted the elderly dementia sufferer was obviously unafraid enough to leave the farking safety of his home to escalate the situation rather negated any argument that he had no choice but to kill another human being.

Man, what's with me? Glad you caught me, I was planning a G.I. Joe Cobra-esque gun grab on you.

:|
2014-03-01 03:28:00 PM
2 votes:
My dad is 74. Granted, he's not the gorilla he once was but he could still snap the necks of a significant number of 34 year old men like they were kindling.
It's probably a good idea not to go out to confront an intruder, but an even better idea not to let your addlepated dad and his dog wander about in the middle of the night.
2014-03-01 02:59:14 PM
2 votes:
If you're a 34 year old who is scared of a 72 year old, chances are you're a pussy.
2014-03-01 02:33:53 PM
2 votes:

edmo: ARGO

A 34-year old felt threatened by a 72-year old Alzheimers dude? Real tough guy there.


I call it the "I'm so very scared" defense.

"You shot that guy in cold blood!"
"I was terrified."
"He's a senile 97-year-old man with diabetes and Alzheimer's!"
"He scared me to death."
"He was completely unarmed!"
"Yep. Terrified. Frightened out of my wits."
"All he did was ring the doorbell!"
"So very scared. Felt so threatened. Much fear."
"He didn't even come into the house!"
"Did you miss the part where I was absolutely terrified?"
"Did you even try to call the cops??"
"Scared. Oh so scared. You just can't imagine how scared."
"So what you're saying is you're a complete and utter pussy who shoots first and asks questions later."
"Now you're getting it!"

If you turn "I was so very scared" into a legal defense, you get shiat like this. If the choice is between admitting that you're a complete coward entirely incapable of assessing the threat level of a given situation (and therefore should probably not be trusted with anything more lethal than a Crayola crayon) or going to jail for three and a half for man-two, you'll happily admit to being a coward - and be allowed to keep your weapons afterwards.

"I was scared" shouldn't be a legal defense because it doesn't have anything to do with the victim. It has to do with the shooter's perception of the victim. That's something the victim has no control over. If my neighbor is a shoot-first paranoid, I can't fix that. Besides, we scare too easily in this country.
2014-03-01 02:08:22 PM
2 votes:

AgentKGB: Hell I used to work with a woman who had to call the cops at 2 am because a drunk guy was tearing up her flower garden. He mistook her house for his house and was looking for the rock his spare house key was under. I hate to think how many "drunk idiot thinks they're home" calls the police get every night.


having been on the other end of the 'going into the wrong house due to confusion' these sorts of laws make me nervous. CSB time: a friend had invited myself and 2 other friends to his apartment for a party. He told us it was the white house on a specific street, that it was between the 2 stone churches and to just go in the front door and up the stairs, his apartment was at the top. turned out there were THREE stone church's on that road (he assumed we'd be coming the other direction) so we just walked right into a private citizens home and start going up their stairs when a confused man confronted us. we appologised profusely and left, but with the way these laws and attitudes are changing, how many embaressing but innocent situations like that are going to end up as shootings?
2014-03-01 01:52:19 PM
2 votes:

Bane of Broone: RottenEggs: hardinparamedic: RottenEggs: Sorry I just have a hard time bowing down to criminals and doing what they want . .

[i132.photobucket.com image 750x600]

You may be trolling, but it gives me an excuse to post hilarious pics.

No not trolling but I'm sure must folks would seriously be unimpressed by the fire power I have in my house .( a 12 guage shot gun single shot .and 45 cal derringer . But yes the pic is great .

What's it like to live in fear of elderly people?


Have you seen them drive!!!???!!!
2014-03-01 01:28:51 PM
2 votes:

walktoanarcade: Mentat: Have we really become such terrified, pants-shiatting morons that we can't identify an elderly, demented person as NOT A THREAT?

No, I would have opened the door (after seeing an elderly man shivering from cold with a dog he was walking no less) and let him in if he was in dire need (as he was).

I'm against letting old people freeze to death and I'm unafraid of most people.

If he didn't "get it" after explaining he's in the wrong place, it may be time to  ask him to check his wallet for the address.  Calling the police would happen if he got punchy or kicky.


99% of the time, your plan would result in the rape of your family and pets, and your death by something horrible (begging for it by the end).  If that's how you want to go out, trying to help an "old man with dementia who was walking his dog and was lost outside for hours", go ahead.  I'll be the one that lives because I shoot everyone that approaches.
2014-03-01 01:23:36 PM
2 votes:

Ihaveanevilparrot: I'm a gun nut, and fark this guy. He went outside because he obviously hoped he'd be able to shoot someone.

I always have access to my gun in my house, and if someone keeps ringing the doorbell I'm gonna assume it's someone crazy, drunk, or senile and call the cops so they can come get them. I'm not gonna go outside. It's for if someone actually tries or succeeds to break in.

If the guy wanted to see who it was he could have called to the guy from inside the doorway to see what was going on. Then if the guy attempt to approach shut the interior door. If the guy attempts to break the door down or something only THEN is there reason to consider using a firearm.


THIS

A few years ago a drunk idiot rings our doorbell at 5 am. When we didn't respond right away they start punching and kicking the door and yelling threats. Then they realized they had the wrong townhouse, go to the next door over (less than 6 ft away) and start punching and kicking their door yelling "I'LL KILL YOU! I'LL KILL YOU ALL!"

I call 911 and the lady on the other end dispatches them and tells me to stay on the line. Then she tried to get me to open the door, stick my head outside and get a description of him to help the officers out in case he bails before they get there. I'm in the process of telling her "no thank you" when someone, who I'm guessing was her supervisor, basically took over the call and told me to stay put.

The idiot ended up trying to run and was making decent progress when he decided to turn and yell at the house some more and was tackled by 3 or 4 cops at once.
2014-03-01 01:14:43 PM
2 votes:

RottenEggs: hardinparamedic: RottenEggs: Sorry I just have a hard time bowing down to criminals and doing what they want . .

[i132.photobucket.com image 750x600]

You may be trolling, but it gives me an excuse to post hilarious pics.

No not trolling but I'm sure must folks would seriously be unimpressed by the fire power I have in my house .( a 12 guage shot gun single shot .and 45 cal derringer . But yes the pic is great .


What's it like to live in fear of elderly people?
2014-03-01 01:04:27 PM
2 votes:
We're going to need a lot more of those Alzhemier's communities like they have in the Netherlands, a gated/locked village for the residents' own protection.

http://weburbanist.com/2014/02/18/no-exit-dementia-village-dwellers- li ve-in-alternate-reality/

This being 'Murica, nope. Back to standing your ground...
2014-03-01 01:03:36 PM
2 votes:
Have we really become such terrified, pants-shiatting morons that we can't identify an elderly, demented person as NOT A THREAT?
2014-03-01 01:03:03 PM
2 votes:
ARGO

A 34-year old felt threatened by a 72-year old Alzheimers dude? Real tough guy there.
2014-03-01 12:42:48 PM
2 votes:

Olo Manolo: Even the people that were close to the old man understood the situation for what it was -- a misunderstanding. Get over it..


Yeah, it's just a misunderstanding.  It's not like anyone died or anything.
2014-03-01 12:42:34 PM
2 votes:
part of the defense should be if you felt scared. if someone was rattling my doorknob and ringing the bell at 4am i wouldn't have the guts to open the front door. i sure as heck wouldn't look out the windows and say to myself oh good he walked into the back yard so now i'll confront him.
2014-03-01 12:17:28 PM
2 votes:
Seventy-two year-old Ronald Westbrook suffered from Alzheimer's. He had been walking around in the cold for about four hours with his dog...

What happened to the dog?
2014-03-01 06:50:51 AM
2 votes:
Even the people that were close to the old man understood the situation for what it was -- a misunderstanding. Get over it..
2014-03-02 09:43:27 AM
1 votes:

Olo Manolo: Things in this thread that don't surprise me:

The number of people that see no reason for "stand your ground" type laws, because nobody has ever been a victim of violence and needed to defend themselves. (And had that been the case, the police would have been just around the corner with teddy bears to defuse the situation.)

The number of idiots that think everybody who owns a firearm is a bloodthirsty loon, with no life outside of hunting down innocent people.

Things in this thread that do surprise me:

The number of Farkers that apparently have an amazing ability to make snap calls about people's intentions and mental status when they were just scared awake at 4am, based on a shadow that attempted to make entry into their residence then approached when told to stop. (You should all be making a lot more money than you do. Law enforcement agencies and psychological facilities would pay lots of money for that magical ability)

Yeah, the guy is a pussy and he made a poor decision that cost somebody their life. But everybody that is trying to frame this situation as "He clearly saw that it was an innocent old Alzheimer's patient kindly begging for a blanket, and shot him just for the fun of it because gun owners are like that" is misrepresenting what happened to make it fit their own narrative about "those crazy farking gun-nuts".



I don't know about you...but...if an old person with a dog in tow was pounding on my door at 4am, I do not immediately assume home intrusion, I assume confused/sick and at the wrong home.  You know what the appropriate action here is?  I'll tell you what it's not - It's not letting several minutes pass by without calling the cops, then deciding to step outside with your gun to confront the alleged "home intruder."

This guy made a really bad decision that resulted in an unnecessary death.

There is nothing wimpy or shameful about calling the cops first, then grabbing your gun and finding a safe place to stay while the cops arrive.  That gun is for when the intruder enters the home, not for when "he's on mah propertah!!!"
2014-03-01 09:55:49 PM
1 votes:

walktoanarcade: Olo Manolo:

Yeah, the guy is a pussy and he made a poor decision that cost somebody their life. But everybody that is trying to frame this situation as "He clearly saw that it was an innocent old Alzheimer's patient kindly begging for a blanket, and shot him just for the fun of it because gun owners are like that" is misrepresenting what happened to make it fit their own narrative about "those crazy farking gun-nuts".

That's what I was doing? Well, thanks for telling me!  And here all this time I thought the fact that the guy who went outside and confronted the elderly dementia sufferer was obviously unafraid enough to leave the farking safety of his home to escalate the situation rather negated any argument that he had no choice but to kill another human being.

Man, what's with me? Glad you caught me, I was planning a G.I. Joe Cobra-esque gun grab on you.

:|



Because people that are in fear for the safety of their family (based on prior events at the same residence, and the fact that somebody was attempting to make entry) are only capable of making rational decisions or cowering in the corner.. There is no chance he acted irrationally out of fear, he clearly just wanted some old guy's blood on his hands.

sounds reasonable
2014-03-01 08:28:03 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Wow, Ojo. Does the mall rewards kiosk know you're using their computer to post walls of text on FARK? Shouldn't you be patrolling JC Pennies?


Nope, I already shot up all the old people and foreigners in JC Pennies. All's clear. Moving on to The Candy Shoppe now to take care of some children that looked at me funny.
2014-03-01 04:09:49 PM
1 votes:

AgentKGB: Hehe...

Clearly when he took off you should have got into your car, drove at him, hit him with the car door and backed over him a few times before shooting!

Hell I used to work with a woman who had to call the cops at 2 am because a drunk guy was tearing up her flower garden. He mistook her house for his house and was looking for the rock his spare house key was under. I hate to think how many "drunk idiot thinks they're home" calls the police get every night.


CSB
Had a friend in college who's apartment was broken into by a drunk frat boy in the middle of the night.  The drunk got the wrong apartment, found his keys wouldn't work, ended up kicking in the door.  Then proceded to beat my friend with a lamp screaming "get out of my apartment."

He ended up shooting the drunk with a pistol.
2014-03-01 03:45:24 PM
1 votes:

wellreadneck: My dad is 74. Granted, he's not the gorilla he once was but he could still snap the necks of a significant number of 34 year old men like they were kindling.
It's probably a good idea not to go out to confront an intruder, but an even better idea not to let your addlepated dad and his dog wander about in the middle of the night.


There's a few people around here blaming the family too.
2014-03-01 03:44:47 PM
1 votes:
The guy was wandering around ringing doorbells at 4am, which is perfectly fine reason to shoot someone. I hope the dog is okay, and that Mr. Wandering Senile's family learns to put down the baby gates next time to keep track of their dangerous and wayward family members.
2014-03-01 02:45:48 PM
1 votes:

peasandcarrots: edmo: ARGO

A 34-year old felt threatened by a 72-year old Alzheimers dude? Real tough guy there.

I call it the "I'm so very scared" defense.

"You shot that guy in cold blood!"
"I was terrified."
"He's a senile 97-year-old man with diabetes and Alzheimer's!"
"He scared me to death."
"He was completely unarmed!"
"Yep. Terrified. Frightened out of my wits."
"All he did was ring the doorbell!"
"So very scared. Felt so threatened. Much fear."
"He didn't even come into the house!"
"Did you miss the part where I was absolutely terrified?"
"Did you even try to call the cops??"
"Scared. Oh so scared. You just can't imagine how scared."
"So what you're saying is you're a complete and utter pussy who shoots first and asks questions later."
"Now you're getting it!"

If you turn "I was so very scared" into a legal defense, you get shiat like this. If the choice is between admitting that you're a complete coward entirely incapable of assessing the threat level of a given situation (and therefore should probably not be trusted with anything more lethal than a Crayola crayon) or going to jail for three and a half for man-two, you'll happily admit to being a coward - and be allowed to keep your weapons afterwards.

"I was scared" shouldn't be a legal defense because it doesn't have anything to do with the victim. It has to do with the shooter's perception of the victim. That's something the victim has no control over. If my neighbor is a shoot-first paranoid, I can't fix that. Besides, we scare too easily in this country.


You missed the comments section .
FTA

"Speaking as a family friend of 1 of Mr. Westbrook's son's:

Averi, Mr. Westbrook was not african-american.

Elena, This happened in the middle of the night. No one knew at the house what his condition was or he wouldn't have been shot. He tried to get in the house. And the girlfriends ex had already tried to break in some time before this. So they were on "alert". When he went out to confront him Mr. Westbrook was totally in the dark and Mr. Hendrix tried to talk to him and tell him to stop coming at him, but Mr. Westbrook, of course, could not speak."
2014-03-01 02:08:37 PM
1 votes:

KimNorth: clancifer: Olo Manolo: Even the people that were close to the old man understood the situation for what it was -- a misunderstanding. Get over it..

Oh, that's it. Another SYG victory, eh?

Have you ever met someone or dealt with someone who has Alzheimer's? They are not all just nice forgetful elderly folks. They can be very crazy as they become pissed off people who think they are the ones being wronged and frustrated because they know something is wrong but not sure what. They become violent and will kick your ass. This same person may not have been like that before.


Do they have super-strength and the ability to bust through doors like the hulk?

No?

Then why the fark go outside to confront them with a gun?
2014-03-01 01:57:34 PM
1 votes:

tlchwi02: AgentKGB: A few years ago a drunk idiot rings our doorbell at 5 am. When we didn't respond right away they start punching and kicking the door and yelling threats. Then they realized they had the wrong townhouse, go to the next door over (less than 6 ft away) and start punching and kicking their door yelling "I'LL KILL YOU! I'LL KILL YOU ALL!"

we had a drunk kid try and break in, thinking it was his house once. dog barked and scared him off, we called the cops and the troopers found him wandering around, blind drunk half a mile down the road. they figured out which house he was supposed to go to and left him with some friends with a warning to keep the guy inside if he couldn't hold his liquor. Shockingly, we didn't need to shoot him even once. i never knew until i read this story how close a brush i had with death!


Hehe...

Clearly when he took off you should have got into your car, drove at him, hit him with the car door and backed over him a few times before shooting!

Hell I used to work with a woman who had to call the cops at 2 am because a drunk guy was tearing up her flower garden. He mistook her house for his house and was looking for the rock his spare house key was under. I hate to think how many "drunk idiot thinks they're home" calls the police get every night.
2014-03-01 01:42:25 PM
1 votes:
I assume the DA isn't pressing charges because he knows the laws in place will give the defense attorney plenty of ammo? I RTFA but don't see where it says why "Buzz" isn't trying for manslaughter at least. Maybe "Buzz" was "high" when read the report.

I'm going to be an evil piece of sh*t an hope this 34 year old pu**y gets killed by a drunk driver, or shot in a drive-by. Defend gun rights all you want, but this guy makes chickensh*t look like caviar.
2014-03-01 01:39:06 PM
1 votes:

Bane of Broone: RottenEggs: hardinparamedic: RottenEggs: Sorry I just have a hard time bowing down to criminals and doing what they want . .

[i132.photobucket.com image 750x600]

You may be trolling, but it gives me an excuse to post hilarious pics.

No not trolling but I'm sure must folks would seriously be unimpressed by the fire power I have in my house .( a 12 guage shot gun single shot .and 45 cal derringer . But yes the pic is great .

What's it like to live in fear of elderly people?


and by elderly people you mean all people. must suck to live in his life. enemies everywhere!!
2014-03-01 01:38:57 PM
1 votes:

AgentKGB: A few years ago a drunk idiot rings our doorbell at 5 am. When we didn't respond right away they start punching and kicking the door and yelling threats. Then they realized they had the wrong townhouse, go to the next door over (less than 6 ft away) and start punching and kicking their door yelling "I'LL KILL YOU! I'LL KILL YOU ALL!"


we had a drunk kid try and break in, thinking it was his house once. dog barked and scared him off, we called the cops and the troopers found him wandering around, blind drunk half a mile down the road. they figured out which house he was supposed to go to and left him with some friends with a warning to keep the guy inside if he couldn't hold his liquor. Shockingly, we didn't need to shoot him even once. i never knew until i read this story how close a brush i had with death!
2014-03-01 01:19:30 PM
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RottenEggs: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: RottenEggs: hardinparamedic: RottenEggs: Yeah he should have stayed inside and waited for some unknown assailant (who had already tried to force his way in )to start shooting through  the windows .

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Hey look. A troll, or an idiot with a "IM THE DECIDER MENTALITY!"

The gun is to defend yourself WHEN he breaks in. It is not to engage in a hollywood gunfight with someone in the dark of night outside your house.

Until then, you stay down, stay quiet, and wait for the cops to get there. You only use the gun when confronted. You don't go out like Ahnold.

Sorry I just have a hard time bowing down to criminals and doing what they want . .

Spolier Alert: Sometimes it turns out to not be a threatening criminal. (See TFA)

So no 72 year old 6' 2"  300 pounder  vs. a 32 year old 5'2"  120 pound guy ? I'm only guessing and I suspect you are too as TFA doesn't mention it . How do you know he wasn't a criminal just because he had Alzhiemers  ? He  (seriously ) could have already had these kinds of behaviors . TFA does not mention it one way or another .


If only there was some  sort of barrier between them for the helpless resident's safety.
2014-03-01 01:18:48 PM
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RottenEggs: Bane of Broone: RottenEggs: hardinparamedic: RottenEggs: Sorry I just have a hard time bowing down to criminals and doing what they want . .

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You may be trolling, but it gives me an excuse to post hilarious pics.

No not trolling but I'm sure must folks would seriously be unimpressed by the fire power I have in my house .( a 12 guage shot gun single shot .and 45 cal derringer . But yes the pic is great .

What's it like to live in fear of elderly people?

Don't know .


Sure you don't, princess.
2014-03-01 01:10:23 PM
1 votes:
Alzheimers patients can be scary in that they can be loud and they don't really know their own strength.  When my grandfather was starting to lose it he rolled a riding lawnmower on it's top so he could sharpen the blades easier.  (As a side note - don't do this because it causes the oil to flow to the top of the engine and then when you go to start it you will destroy it from lack of usable oil).  He also liked trying to escape from the house on the farm and 'going home' to a house he hadn't lived in in 40 years and had been long ago torn down.
2014-03-01 01:07:49 PM
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Mentat: Have we really become such terrified, pants-shiatting morons that we can't identify an elderly, demented person as NOT A THREAT?


No, I would have opened the door (after seeing an elderly man shivering from cold with a dog he was walking no less) and let him in if he was in dire need (as he was).

I'm against letting old people freeze to death and I'm unafraid of most people.

If he didn't "get it" after explaining he's in the wrong place, it may be time to  ask him to check his wallet for the address.  Calling the police would happen if he got punchy or kicky.
2014-03-01 01:04:18 PM
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ThatGuyFromTheInternet: RottenEggs: hardinparamedic: RottenEggs: Yeah he should have stayed inside and waited for some unknown assailant (who had already tried to force his way in )to start shooting through  the windows .

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Hey look. A troll, or an idiot with a "IM THE DECIDER MENTALITY!"

The gun is to defend yourself WHEN he breaks in. It is not to engage in a hollywood gunfight with someone in the dark of night outside your house.

Until then, you stay down, stay quiet, and wait for the cops to get there. You only use the gun when confronted. You don't go out like Ahnold.

Sorry I just have a hard time bowing down to criminals and doing what they want . .

Spolier Alert: Sometimes it turns out to not be a threatening criminal. (See TFA)


So no 72 year old 6' 2"  300 pounder  vs. a 32 year old 5'2"  120 pound guy ? I'm only guessing and I suspect you are too as TFA doesn't mention it . How do you know he wasn't a criminal just because he had Alzhiemers  ? He  (seriously ) could have already had these kinds of behaviors . TFA does not mention it one way or another .
2014-03-01 12:51:01 PM
1 votes:

RottenEggs: hardinparamedic: RottenEggs: Yeah he should have stayed inside and waited for some unknown assailant (who had already tried to force his way in )to start shooting through  the windows .

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Hey look. A troll, or an idiot with a "IM THE DECIDER MENTALITY!"

The gun is to defend yourself WHEN he breaks in. It is not to engage in a hollywood gunfight with someone in the dark of night outside your house.

Until then, you stay down, stay quiet, and wait for the cops to get there. You only use the gun when confronted. You don't go out like Ahnold.

Sorry I just have a hard time bowing down to criminals and doing what they want . .


Spolier Alert: Sometimes it turns out to not be a threatening criminal. (See TFA)
2014-03-01 12:48:37 PM
1 votes:
The District Attorney's office says they will not pursue charges against Joe Hendrix in the 2013 shooting of Ronald Westbrook.

Q&D

Hey Joe, where you goin' with that gun in your hand?
Hey Joe, I said where you goin' with that gun in your hand?
Alright. I'm goin' down to shoot  an old man,
you know he got Alzheimer's I'm goin' to stand my ground.
Yeah,! I'm goin' down to shoot an old man,
you know he got Alzheimer's I'm goin' to stand my ground.
Huh! And that ain't too cool.
Uh, hey Joe, I heard you shot an old man down,
you shot him down.
Uh, hey Joe, I heard you shot an old man down,
you shot him down to the ground. Yeah!
Yes, I did, I shot him,
you know i was standing my ground,

Uh, yes I did, I shot him
you know i was standing my ground,
And I gave him the gun and I shot him!
2014-03-01 12:46:12 PM
1 votes:
This does not appear to be a legit self defense situation, the shooter should face charges.

//gunnut
2014-03-01 12:45:49 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: RottenEggs: Yeah he should have stayed inside and waited for some unknown assailant (who had already tried to force his way in )to start shooting through  the windows .

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Hey look. A troll, or an idiot with a "IM THE DECIDER MENTALITY!"

The gun is to defend yourself WHEN he breaks in. It is not to engage in a hollywood gunfight with someone in the dark of night outside your house.

Until then, you stay down, stay quiet, and wait for the cops to get there. You only use the gun when confronted. You don't go out like Ahnold.


Sorry I just have a hard time bowing down to criminals and doing what they want . .
2014-03-01 12:41:56 PM
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RottenEggs: Endive Wombat: FTFA:"Westbrook knocked on the door and tried to enter to Hendrix's home in Chickamauga, and was then later confronted Hendrix outside the home.

Hendrix then shot at Westbrook when he felt he was being physically threatened. Westbrook was fatally shot once in the chest.

The 911 call came in about 4:00am on November 27, 2013 from a home on Cottage Crest Court. Investigators say 34-year-old Joe Hendrix of Ooltewah shot Westbrook who had been walking around the outside of the home for several minutes and repeatedly ringing the doorbell."


That is not self defense, that was not standing his ground, that was some asshole looking to use his gun.  He exercised very poor judgement and decided to be a tough guy rather than lock his door and call 911 immediately.  There was several minutes between initial contact to shooting.  This is murder through and through.

I mean...this mothafarka actually left the relative safety of his domicile...with his farking gun and the local DA is still refusing to prosecute him?  WTF Georgia?

Yeah he should have stayed inside and waited for some unknown assailant (who had already tried to force his way in )to start shooting through  the windows .


Yeah, I'm sure the neighbors and police will appreciate guns fired outside and not at a range because just like in the movies, bullets that don't hit the bad guy always harmlessly ping into a burn barrels or ubiquitous stacks of crates containing lettuce. :|

You'd be such a hero that they'd want you kicked out of the city.


/i know you are trolling though
2014-03-01 12:40:47 PM
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RottenEggs: Endive Wombat: FTFA:"Westbrook knocked on the door and tried to enter to Hendrix's home in Chickamauga, and was then later confronted Hendrix outside the home.

Hendrix then shot at Westbrook when he felt he was being physically threatened. Westbrook was fatally shot once in the chest.

The 911 call came in about 4:00am on November 27, 2013 from a home on Cottage Crest Court. Investigators say 34-year-old Joe Hendrix of Ooltewah shot Westbrook who had been walking around the outside of the home for several minutes and repeatedly ringing the doorbell."


That is not self defense, that was not standing his ground, that was some asshole looking to use his gun.  He exercised very poor judgement and decided to be a tough guy rather than lock his door and call 911 immediately.  There was several minutes between initial contact to shooting.  This is murder through and through.

I mean...this mothafarka actually left the relative safety of his domicile...with his farking gun and the local DA is still refusing to prosecute him?  WTF Georgia?

Yeah he should have stayed inside and waited for some unknown assailant (who had already tried to force his way in )to start shooting through  the windows .


Exactly, I hope that this is a start of a trend.  Gun owners shouldn't balk at standing their ground, not everyone they shoot will be an "innocent victim".
2014-03-01 12:33:13 PM
1 votes:
Can the family of the victim (the real victim) sue the shooter in civil court or does stand your ground indemnify him?
2014-03-01 12:32:30 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: FTFA:"Westbrook knocked on the door and tried to enter to Hendrix's home in Chickamauga, and was then later confronted Hendrix outside the home.

Hendrix then shot at Westbrook when he felt he was being physically threatened. Westbrook was fatally shot once in the chest.

The 911 call came in about 4:00am on November 27, 2013 from a home on Cottage Crest Court. Investigators say 34-year-old Joe Hendrix of Ooltewah shot Westbrook who had been walking around the outside of the home for several minutes and repeatedly ringing the doorbell."


That is not self defense, that was not standing his ground, that was some asshole looking to use his gun.  He exercised very poor judgement and decided to be a tough guy rather than lock his door and call 911 immediately.  There was several minutes between initial contact to shooting.  This is murder through and through.

I mean...this mothafarka actually left the relative safety of his domicile...with his farking gun and the local DA is still refusing to prosecute him?  WTF Georgia?


Yeah he should have stayed inside and waited for some unknown assailant (who had already tried to force his way in )to start shooting through  the windows .
2014-03-01 12:13:59 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: I mean...this mothafarka actually left the relative safety of his domicile...with his farking gun and the local DA is still refusing to prosecute him?  WTF Georgia?


If Georgia has a homestead law or property-based castle law like Mississippi or Texas does (Thief in the Night law), he could be protected.

Still a cowardly asshole.
2014-03-01 12:12:43 PM
1 votes:
Well, arguably it's more humane than shoving him in a nursing home for the next five years while his brain degenerates into something the consistency of swiss cheese, and the only interaction with the world he has is a faint smile every time he shiats himself.
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2014-03-01 10:46:51 AM
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Olo Manolo: Even the people that were close to the old man understood the situation for what it was -- a misunderstanding. Get over it..


Yeah, it's perfectly normal to expect a 72 year old man to kick your 32 year old ass.  I would be afraid too.

He was probably coming right at him (very slowly).
2014-03-01 10:29:14 AM
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Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?
2014-03-01 09:36:13 AM
1 votes:

Olo Manolo: Even the people that were close to the old man understood the situation for what it was -- a misunderstanding. Get over it..


Oh, that's it. Another SYG victory, eh?
2014-03-01 07:49:03 AM
1 votes:
If I get Alzheimer's I'd want to be out out of everyone's misery.
 
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