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(The Consumerist)   Time Warner Cable to "educate' all customers about retransmission charges with a $2.25 fee   (consumerist.com) divider line 51
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2014-03-01 10:24:32 AM  
If I was a TWC customer I'd re-educate them about Netflix and Pirate Bay.
 
2014-03-01 10:24:38 AM  
what happened to that Net Neutrality jiz ?
 
2014-03-01 10:28:27 AM  
i-blocklist peerblock subscription  btguard proxy on tip ofprivate internet access vpn tunnel outwith appropriate settings on all apps (btguard hooks u up), with invariant ipfilter.dat filter containing coresubset of level 1 bluetack list (for when not flying with the peerblock condom / other stack software skips/failures).

pull 700-800 k/s on a 300 k connection.

happy interneting y'all.
 
2014-03-01 10:29:13 AM  
I only have internet with them, cable is too expensive. And now it got $2 more expensive. Not getting me back as a cable customer.
 
2014-03-01 10:29:24 AM  

utah dude: what happened to that Net Neutrality jiz ?


A federal judge (who totally wasn't bribed by Comcast) ruled that the FCC isn't allowed to enforce net neutrality as the relevant laws and regulations are currently written.

/the ruling doesn't stop the FCC from implementing new regs to enforce net neutrality, or from declaring ISPs to be Common Carriers
 
2014-03-01 10:32:02 AM  

utah dude: i-blocklist peerblock subscription  btguard proxy on tip ofprivate internet access vpn tunnel outwith appropriate settings on all apps (btguard hooks u up), with invariant ipfilter.dat filter containing coresubset of level 1 bluetack list (for when not flying with the peerblock condom / other stack software skips/failures).


this, whatever this means
 
2014-03-01 10:44:18 AM  
How I wish Time Warner were offered here so I could boycott them.

/already boycotting ComCrap
//fark cable companies
///if you have a subscription to cable, you're part of the problem.
 
2014-03-01 10:46:02 AM  

utah dude: i-blocklist peerblock subscription  btguard proxy on tip ofprivate internet access vpn tunnel outwith appropriate settings on all apps (btguard hooks u up), with invariant ipfilter.dat filter containing coresubset of level 1 bluetack list (for when not flying with the peerblock condom / other stack software skips/failures).


And a partridge in a pear tree.
 
2014-03-01 10:54:16 AM  
Sounds like they're just passing the cost onto the customers.
 
2014-03-01 10:57:56 AM  

derpy: utah dude: i-blocklist peerblock subscription  btguard proxy on tip ofprivate internet access vpn tunnel outwith appropriate settings on all apps (btguard hooks u up), with invariant ipfilter.dat filter containing coresubset of level 1 bluetack list (for when not flying with the peerblock condom / other stack software skips/failures).

this, whatever this means


you pay to plug directly into the NSA so that they have an easier time monitoring you. it's the life.
 
2014-03-01 11:01:49 AM  

utah dude: i-blocklist peerblock subscription  btguard proxy on tip ofprivate internet access vpn tunnel outwith appropriate settings on all apps (btguard hooks u up), with invariant ipfilter.dat filter containing coresubset of level 1 bluetack list (for when not flying with the peerblock condom / other stack software skips/failures).


.....and Bingo was his name-o.
 
2014-03-01 11:09:17 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Sounds like they're just passing the cost onto the customers.


Kind of like that restaurant putting the "Obamacare Surcharge" on the bottom of their receipts.

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2014-03-01 11:17:50 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Sounds like they're just passing the cost onto the customers.


There is no cost.. this just lets them advertise a "low rate of [whatever price]" and use this charge as a disguised rate hike. That "fee" doesn't go to anyone but themselves.
 
2014-03-01 11:21:46 AM  
they charge you more but don't give you any more stuff.
 
2014-03-01 11:27:19 AM  

Vertdang: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Sounds like they're just passing the cost onto the customers.

There is no cost.. this just lets them advertise a "low rate of [whatever price]" and use this charge as a disguised rate hike. That "fee" doesn't go to anyone but themselves.


So Time Warner didn't have a protracted retransmission fight with CBS last summer?

I don't get what the big deal is.  Dish Network billed the local channels separately for a long time.  In fact, I think they only stopped for most packages within the last couple of years.
 
2014-03-01 11:33:44 AM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Sounds like they're just passing the cost onto the customers.

Kind of like that restaurant putting the "Obamacare Surcharge" on the bottom of their receipts.

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 620x387]


you sure that's not because both plates were ordered and consumed by a party of one?
 
2014-03-01 11:38:46 AM  

King Something: utah dude: what happened to that Net Neutrality jiz ?

A federal judge (who totally wasn't bribed by Comcast) ruled that the FCC isn't allowed to enforce net neutrality as the relevant laws and regulations are currently written.

/the ruling doesn't stop the FCC from implementing new regs to enforce net neutrality, or from declaring ISPs to be Common Carriers


Right. Further bribes campaign contributions will take care of that.
 
2014-03-01 11:39:55 AM  
I guess in Comcastspeak, "educate" means "rip off"...
 
2014-03-01 12:11:51 PM  

Vertdang: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Sounds like they're just passing the cost onto the customers.

There is no cost.. this just lets them advertise a "low rate of [whatever price]" and use this charge as a disguised rate hike. That "fee" doesn't go to anyone but themselves.


http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/retransmission-consent

It's still fraudulent for not including it in the advertised price, but there is a cost.
 
2014-03-01 12:22:38 PM  

utah dude: i-blocklist peerblock subscription  btguard proxy on tip ofprivate internet access vpn tunnel outwith appropriate settings on all apps (btguard hooks u up), with invariant ipfilter.dat filter containing coresubset of level 1 bluetack list (for when not flying with the peerblock condom / other stack software skips/failures).

pull 700-800 k/s on a 300 k connection.

happy interneting y'all.


I hate when that happens.
 
2014-03-01 12:38:57 PM  

utah dude: i-blocklist peerblock subscription  btguard proxy on tip ofprivate internet access vpn tunnel outwith appropriate settings on all apps (btguard hooks u up), with invariant ipfilter.dat filter containing coresubset of level 1 bluetack list (for when not flying with the peerblock condom / other stack software skips/failures).

pull 700-800 k/s on a 300 k connection.

happy interneting y'all.


caught sayof
 
2014-03-01 01:11:48 PM  

raerae1980: I only have internet with them, cable is too expensive. And now it got $2 more expensive. Not getting me back as a cable customer.


Cable companies make more from being an ISP now than they do with traditional tv broadcasts.
 
2014-03-01 01:19:34 PM  

gfid: ///if you have a subscription to cable, you're part of the problem.


My other choice is AT&T, who offers less than half the speed for the same price.
 
2014-03-01 02:03:59 PM  

Spartan_Manhandler: gfid: ///if you have a subscription to cable, you're part of the problem.

My other choice is AT&T, who offers less than half the speed for the same price.



My choices for internet access are TWC and AOL dial-up. My only other option is to sell my house and uproot my life to avoid cable fees and that's libertarian levels of ludicrous.

Since there's no refuge in private industry, maybe the government is the answer here.

What would it take to set up municipal internet / television?
 
2014-03-01 02:05:57 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Since there's no refuge in private industry, maybe the government is the answer here.

What would it take to set up municipal internet / television?


A change to campaign finance rules, I'd guess.
 
2014-03-01 02:13:15 PM  

Spartan_Manhandler: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Since there's no refuge in private industry, maybe the government is the answer here.

What would it take to set up municipal internet / television?

A change to campaign finance rules, I'd guess.


Dammit, that sounds like hard work.

I guess I'll just have to invest in single player games. Those still come on CD/DVD, right?
 
2014-03-01 02:16:31 PM  
We gave up cable around 3 years ago, when the $99 Triple Play deal expired for us.  With Netflix Streaming and Amazon Prime, we don't miss it in the least.  If for whatever reason we need to put on local channels, we have one of those flat antennas you stick on the window.  Works well enough.
 
2014-03-01 02:40:49 PM  
I just hooked up an antenna. We go TWC-free on Monday.  When cable goes to a la carte pricing we'll hook back up. Let ESPN viewers pay for cable.
 
2014-03-01 02:45:24 PM  

gfid: How I wish Time Warner were offered here so I could boycott them.

/already boycotting ComCrap
//fark cable companies
///if you have a subscription to cable, you're part of the problem.


My phone/cable/internet is supplied by a local, member-owned cooperative. The rates are reasonable (although the cable rates keep climbing due to increased costs for content), the quality is good, and the customer service is excellent. I own stock in the company just by being a customer, and if I don't like what they are doing, the board members are elected yearly, and I can always run (or call my board rep and biatch - they aren't paid employees, so they actually DO listen to the customers). All in all, it's a pretty good model. The co-op exists to provide a service to its members, not to make a profit. There is no CEO gunning for a 7 figure bonus, and the customers are the owners. They're pretty common out here in flyover land where there aren't enough customers to screw over to make it worth the big boys' time.
 
2014-03-01 04:28:27 PM  
I hope the continue to educate their way to irrelevance...
 
2014-03-01 04:50:23 PM  
Well, the obvious solution is to educate them of the difficulties lower / lower-middle class households already have paying their bills.

By throwing heavy flaming objects through the windows of their corporate offices.
 
2014-03-01 05:13:15 PM  
My cable provider also started charging a "retransmission fee" last year because the network affiliate owners extorted negotiated higher carriage rates.
 
2014-03-01 05:53:47 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Spartan_Manhandler: gfid: ///if you have a subscription to cable, you're part of the problem.

My other choice is AT&T, who offers less than half the speed for the same price.


My choices for internet access are TWC and AOL dial-up. My only other option is to sell my house and uproot my life to avoid cable fees and that's libertarian levels of ludicrous.

Since there's no refuge in private industry, maybe the government is the answer here.

What would it take to set up municipal internet / television?


TWC actually bought off my state (NC),  no municipal services allowed. Which sucks a LOT because the cities that did have it offered great service for the price. The governor said it was because "didn't want to decrease the choices"  for people.

Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
 
2014-03-01 06:37:59 PM  
Why can I not stop laughing?

/Your failures are my successes!
 
2014-03-01 07:45:13 PM  

utah dude: i-blocklist peerblock subscription  btguard proxy on tip ofprivate internet access vpn tunnel outwith appropriate settings on all apps (btguard hooks u up), with invariant ipfilter.dat filter containing coresubset of level 1 bluetack list (for when not flying with the peerblock condom / other stack software skips/failures).

pull 700-800 k/s on a 300 k connection.

happy interneting y'all.


"English motherfarker, do you speak it?"
 
2014-03-01 07:59:38 PM  
Comcast charges the same thing $1.50
 
2014-03-01 09:09:08 PM  
The notice of the fee came in with my bill this month.  They get one last bite of my wallet, then I'm switching to FIOS.  Two months ago, we gave them one last chance to retain us as customers after a three month issue with the network punch down box for this area - rather than get off their dead asses and take a look at their damn equipment, the network techs kept closing the tickets.  As soon as my $300 Visa processes, I'm going to use that card to get FIOS set up.

/my cat watches a lot of TV in her old age
 
2014-03-01 09:36:12 PM  

Praise Cheesus: The notice of the fee came in with my bill this month.  They get one last bite of my wallet, then I'm switching to FIOS.  Two months ago, we gave them one last chance to retain us as customers after a three month issue with the network punch down box for this area - rather than get off their dead asses and take a look at their damn equipment, the network techs kept closing the tickets.  As soon as my $300 Visa processes, I'm going to use that card to get FIOS set up.

/my cat watches a lot of TV in her old age


uh, hate to break it to you, but FIOS charges the same fees.
 
2014-03-01 10:37:35 PM  
Cant wait until GOOGLE FIBER rescues me from the evil of TWC/Comcast
 
2014-03-02 12:16:19 AM  
Doesn't require monthly fees (outside of the UK)
cdn3.volusion.com
 
2014-03-02 05:17:18 AM  

Snotnose: If I was a TWC customer I'd re-educate them about Netflix and Pirate Bay.


It doesn't matter though.

For that to be feasible, you need a large amount of bandwidth.  In most areas, you are lucky if you have two viable options, in most places you have one.  Mostly, that's Comcast.  And they are very well aware of people doing exactly what you are saying.  As a result, the cost of internet-only packages are priced high enough that they don't actually care.  You are still paying them.  Comcast and Time-Warner are essentially in bed together, and it's all the same.  They aren't competitors, they are conspirators.

The alternative ISP options suck.

And, you've got that whole - completely illegal thing - to worry about.

And, while you might already have the equipment - most people will have to spend a lot of money to even approximate the level of awesomeness that cable TV comes with.  I got caught up in the media center/HTPC hype a few years back.  I used a good number of them, including using a full blown PC in the closet running XMBC/Media Center and they STILL suck compared to Comcast with the DVR and onDemand stuff.  Just getting Netflix to work is a nightmare for people running XMBC, Hulu Desktop was discontinued.  Individual streaming sites often require you visiting their website in a browser.  Things like getting a decent, functional, remote control, turns out to be surprisingly difficult and, in many cases, you can forget about things like turning on the PC with the remote - unless you get a media device specifically for that purpose - but then you'll have all sorts of trouble playing your pirated content unless you are willing to re-encode it all to the format your device needs.

It's 10x worse if you have a family with multiple TVs in the multiple rooms.  I can't remember ever seeing a home that wasn't wired for cable in the US.  You go Netflix and you can stream *two* devices at the same time, AFAIK.  Beyond that, the old TV in your kid's bedroom/family room/guest room don't have wi-fi and don't support Netflix.  Personally, no matter what wireless router I've owned, it sucked once I got 3-4 different devices doing things.  I still run CAT5 whenever I can.  And, depending on the age of the children, Netflix is quite a bit harder to use than the TV.  TV is one button for on, one button for next channel.  Netflix is turn on TV, turn on some external device, navigating the external device to select netflix, selecting a profile, selecting something to watch, and hitting play.

And, you still need to store your pirated content somewhere.  Storage is cheap, but it's not easily accessible from multiple devices.  I have a TV in the living room and the bedroom.  That means I ether need a 3rd device, a PC or NAS that is running all the time, or two storage devices and some synch process to get things from A to B.  It's a real pain.  It'll depend a lot on your setup, which particular device you use - but I know lots of them suck for accessing network storage.  My PS3 would constantly not find my media center and I'd need to restart it.  And, if I updated anything after the PS3 had already opened it, again, I'd need to restart.  In any case, most of the time, the Ux experience is HORRIBLE for these things - you are just navigating text folder names until you select a plain text file and then it tries to play.  At this point, it's back to the codec/format/issue - different players, different file types.  Some media centers can re-endcode on the fly, but now you need a media center pc to be running all the time and reencoding stuff all the time.  It's a big fat waste of CPU and electricity.

And, again, piracy is a bad option....it's illegal, for starters.  But the experience is pretty crappy.  Particularly for novice users.  Regular TV watchers are going to end up with malware invested piles of crap because they tried to download a movie.  They click the ads that say DOWNLOAD NOW and run whatever they get.  It sucks, but it is what it is.  Sure, technically inclined people can do it, no problem.  Whatever.  Still, it's pretty hit or miss - MOST of the time, you will lose subtitles completely.  It turns out a lot of movies, even the ones in English, have some subtitles you want included - like LOTR for example.  You *can* do a lot of extra work to download files with subtitles that SOME players will show correctly (but most won't).  Or you can re-encode the movie, adding your subtitles into the actual video - but it is a nightmare.  And unless you are really good at it, the subtitles will be out of synch which is super annoying.  Things like surround sound is a nightmare too.  *SOMETIMES* it will work, but it almost certainly won't.
 
2014-03-02 08:42:06 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Things like surround sound is a nightmare too.


which is why you sit home baiting to Ow my Balls after Not Sure broke your apartment. seriously. get a brain.
 
2014-03-02 09:00:48 AM  

utah dude: Fark_Guy_Rob: Things like surround sound is a nightmare too.

which is why you sit home baiting to Ow my Balls after Not Sure broke your apartment. seriously. get a brain.


I guess I do need a brain, because I have no clue what you are trying to say.

Fact remains, the quality of the pirate bay still pales in comparison to cable tv for the majority of Americans.
 
2014-03-02 09:13:20 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: utah dude: Fark_Guy_Rob: Things like surround sound is a nightmare too.

which is why you sit home baiting to Ow my Balls after Not Sure broke your apartment. seriously. get a brain.

I guess I do need a brain, because I have no clue what you are trying to say.

Fact remains, the quality of the pirate bay still pales in comparison to cable tv for the majority of Americans.


have cable and check out TPB. if the stuff u want is on cable, then watch cable. if the stuff u want is on piratebay, then d/l it illegally with the proper precautions.
 
2014-03-02 09:47:36 AM  

utah dude: which is why you sit home baiting to Ow my Balls after Not Sure broke your apartment.


That's generally my plan for today
 
2014-03-02 11:19:23 AM  

gfid: How I wish Time Warner were offered here so I could boycott them.

/already boycotting ComCrap
//fark cable companies
///if you have a subscription to cable, you're part of the problem.


Get the fizzknuck over yourself. No one gives two schiess.

/why yes, I am a comcast cable field technician

//lol
 
2014-03-02 11:23:13 AM  

time is tight: gfid: How I wish Time Warner were offered here so I could boycott them.

/already boycotting ComCrap
//fark cable companies
///if you have a subscription to cable, you're part of the problem.

Get the fizzknuck over yourself. No one gives two schiess.

/why yes, I am a comcast cable field technician

//lol


Question:  Do your uniforms come with pre-made nipple windows or do you guys cut those out yourselves?
 
2014-03-02 11:31:56 AM  

BumpInTheNight: time is tight: gfid: How I wish Time Warner were offered here so I could boycott them.

/already boycotting ComCrap
//fark cable companies
///if you have a subscription to cable, you're part of the problem.

Get the fizzknuck over yourself. No one gives two schiess.

/why yes, I am a comcast cable field technician

//lol

Question:  Do your uniforms come with pre-made nipple windows or do you guys cut those out yourselves?


Well, if you're going to pay for nipple rings you want to show them off, right?

/not that I'm that kind of a dumbass
/I'm a different kind of dumbass
 
2014-03-02 11:44:48 AM  

GBmanNC: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Spartan_Manhandler: gfid: ///if you have a subscription to cable, you're part of the problem.

My other choice is AT&T, who offers less than half the speed for the same price.


My choices for internet access are TWC and AOL dial-up. My only other option is to sell my house and uproot my life to avoid cable fees and that's libertarian levels of ludicrous.

Since there's no refuge in private industry, maybe the government is the answer here.

What would it take to set up municipal internet / television?

TWC actually bought off my state (NC),  no municipal services allowed. Which sucks a LOT because the cities that did have it offered great service for the price. The governor said it was because "didn't want to decrease the choices"  for people.

Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.


That's really what I'm afraid of.

I do truly want to push for municipal cable, but I can't repel campaign contributions of that magnitude without going all... Fight Club.

Honestly though, had you guys gone torch and pitchfork, we'd have understood.
 
2014-03-02 11:52:40 AM  
Get an antenna (or two) for local channels. Get Netflix/Hulu/Amazon (any combo) for streaming if your tubes allow it. Get a 1-meter dish with a bunch of LNBs (or a motor) to pick up feeds. If your town allows it, also get a 8-12' dish for more unencrypted channels.
 
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