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(The Wire)   Newspaper that named Cleveland Indians comes out against "Chief Wahoo". No mention that "Plain Dealer" is insensitive to ugly casino employees   (thewire.com) divider line 21
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2014-03-01 10:39:52 AM  
Hopefully it's gone for good next season.
 
2014-03-01 10:42:31 AM  
I suggest that the Indians create a new mascot: A man in a turban charming a snake.
 
2014-03-01 10:45:53 AM  
I have an ideer, keep the caricature, lighten the skin to an olive color, slap some peyos and a Kipa or black hat and call them the Cleveland Yids! It makes perfect sense, there used to be a shul under the current stadium.
 
2014-03-01 11:02:58 AM  
"Plain Dealer" would also describe the typical employee in a Colorado pot store.
 
2014-03-01 11:48:11 AM  
Ha, ha!  No.
 
2014-03-01 12:45:59 PM  
I say just get a caricature of Billy Jack.
 
2014-03-01 12:48:12 PM  
Rename them the Indianans.  Really,  really confuse people.
 
2014-03-01 02:56:31 PM  
bighairyguy  "Plain Dealer" would also describe the typical employee in a Colorado pot store.

only the Eastern half...
 
2014-03-01 03:32:09 PM  
I don't care what you call them or what their mascot is.  But if I ever hear that damn tomahawk chop chant again, I'm throwing the remote through the TV.
 
2014-03-01 03:58:47 PM  
Ryker's Peninsula But if I ever hear that damn tomahawk chop chant again, I'm throwing the remote through the TV.

Did the Cleveland Indians ever pick that up? I guess it's not true Deion Sanders took it 2 the Braves from his Seminole days...
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/09/or ig ins_of_the_tomahawk_chop_scott_brown_s_staffers_mocking_elizabeth_warr en_are_continuing_a_long_tradition_.html
 
2014-03-01 04:57:53 PM  
If the Spokane Indians, in the heart of red-state Washington can do it, Cleveland can:

Per wikipedia:
<I>In the 2006 offseason, the Indians began a process to redesign their logo and uniforms. As per tradition, they began by avoiding the use of any American Indian imagery, but early in the process of redesign, the contacted the team about officially supporting the team. In the process, the tribe gave permission to the team to adopt subtle and tasteful imagery, in order to pay homage to the team's history and new connection with the tribe. The cooperation, called "historic" by the team, included the creation of a secondary logo written in</I>
 
2014-03-01 05:48:07 PM  
I love those who wear their racism on their sleeve. I say keep Chief Wahoo & everyone else should STFU.
 
2014-03-01 06:42:34 PM  

zerkalo: If the Spokane Indians, in the heart of red-state Washington can do it, Cleveland can:

Per wikipedia:
<I>In the 2006 offseason, the Indians began a process to redesign their logo and uniforms. As per tradition, they began by avoiding the use of any American Indian imagery, but early in the process of redesign, the contacted the team about officially supporting the team. In the process, the tribe gave permission to the team to adopt subtle and tasteful imagery, in order to pay homage to the team's history and new connection with the tribe. The cooperation, called "historic" by the team, included the creation of a secondary logo written in</I>


The Cleveland front office is trying to have it both ways. They reintroduced the block C logo, made it their primary logo for their broadcasts on their team-owned network and have been using the block C logo more and more. But, they don't want to upset the die-hard Wahoo fans, so they keep saying that Wahoo isn't leaving, that he's still there, that the recent change on the MLB style guide wasn't something *they* asked for, etc.

Really though, I'd rather they just do it already. Actually, if I had my druthers, I'd prefer that they just rename the team the Blues or Spiders and be done with it. But getting rid of Wahoo is happening sooner or later. It's not like people are getting *more* tolerant of racist iconography with time.
 
2014-03-01 07:48:45 PM  

FlyingJ: Ryker's Peninsula But if I ever hear that damn tomahawk chop chant again, I'm throwing the remote through the TV.

Did the Cleveland Indians ever pick that up? I guess it's not true Deion Sanders took it 2 the Braves from his Seminole days...
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/09/or ig ins_of_the_tomahawk_chop_scott_brown_s_staffers_mocking_elizabeth_warr en_are_continuing_a_long_tradition_.html


I totally got that wrong, didn't I?
 
2014-03-01 09:04:02 PM  
Plain Dealer?
dreamdealers.com

Laughs at your shenanigans.
 
2014-03-01 10:41:49 PM  
A little more backstory from the Cleveland Plain Dealer (1/18/15), just as the new name was being announced:img.fark.net
 
2014-03-02 01:11:05 AM  

GrizzledVeteran: A little more backstory from the Cleveland Plain Dealer (1/18/15), just as the new name was being announced:[img.fark.net image 260x520]


So a Native American player made such a positive impact on the team that they named it after him.

Maybe the protesters should ask the guy's descendants how they feel about all this.
 
2014-03-02 10:15:24 AM  
They are up here in Old Town, maine. They live on an island literally called Indian Island. Considering the fact they made the Old Town Indians get rid of their name, I imagine they are not big fans.
 
2014-03-02 01:17:00 PM  
GrizzledVeteran A little more backstory from the Cleveland Plain Dealer

Tebeau? I see a pattern AND a new name here...
 
2014-03-02 01:27:48 PM  

Uakronkid: GrizzledVeteran: A little more backstory from the Cleveland Plain Dealer (1/18/15), just as the new name was being announced:[img.fark.net image 260x520]

So a Native American player made such a positive impact on the team that they named it after him.

Maybe the protesters should ask the guy's descendants how they feel about all this.


The actual history is a little more nuanced than that fluff piece. Mostly, the Cleveland team thought it would be clever to ape the Braves, who had a lot of recent success at the time (they went from last to first in 1914). Sockalexis, while a good player, was nowhere near the face of the Cleveland Spiders team. Furthermore, Sockalexis wasn't actually any good, was a severe alcoholic and only played three seasons (one of which he was a part of arguably the worst team in major league history at 20-134).

Saying it was done to honor Sockalexis has long been a dubious claim. The guy wasn't good, the team he was playing on wasn't good and his story is generally really sad. They did it because they wanted to be like the Braves.
 
2014-03-02 05:39:35 PM  
Personally, I think they should rename the team "The Tribe", since they go by that semi-formally anyway.  It would no longer be native american specific (there are lots of other tribes) and you could spin it as being welcoming.

Two birds, one stone, still some continuity.

/I know, it will never happen.
 
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