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(The New York Times)   The Mammoth Cometh: Bringing extinct animals back to life is really happening, it could end up being very, very bad   (nytimes.com) divider line 91
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2014-02-28 10:43:43 PM
If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and SLAPPED it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're SELLING IT! You wanna SELL IT! Well...
 
2014-02-28 11:14:48 PM
Nature, uh, uh finds a way
 
2014-02-28 11:16:19 PM
I'm sure your Mom will be happy to know what you really think of her, subby

/FFS, it's just hormone shots
 
2014-02-28 11:23:28 PM
"Could"? There's a chance that it won't end terribly?
 
2014-02-28 11:26:53 PM

Captain Steroid: If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and SLAPPED it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're SELLING IT! You wanna SELL IT! Well...


No, hold on. This isn't some species that was obliterated by deforestation, or the building of a...oh wait.
 
2014-02-28 11:30:47 PM
So some lawyers get gobbled up, I really don't see an issue.
 
2014-02-28 11:32:22 PM
Well, that would certainly be something so scary it'd clear three hundred square miles of every living Christian soul
 
2014-02-28 11:33:10 PM
Oh, FFS

/wrong thread fail
//time for another beer
 
2014-02-28 11:33:32 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well, that would certainly be something so scary it'd clear three hundred square miles of every living Christian soul


And yea, though the Hindus speak of Karma...
 
2014-02-28 11:40:44 PM
I don't mind a few mammoths living on a park in Siberia, but resurrecting an invasive bird species that used to number in the billions sounds like a wonderful way to spread new diseases.
 
2014-02-28 11:42:25 PM
Meh, I WANT to see a mammoth alive.
 
2014-02-28 11:42:32 PM
Perhaps they can call this one Mesozoic Park and get it right.
 
2014-02-28 11:46:55 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, FFS

/wrong thread fail
//time for another beer


You have no idea how well it fit.

We could ceed the buffalo commons to woolly mammoths. Not doing much with that land anyways.
 
2014-02-28 11:51:46 PM

Dalrint: Captain Steroid: If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and SLAPPED it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're SELLING IT! You wanna SELL IT! Well...

No, hold on. This isn't some species that was obliterated by deforestation, or the building of a...oh wait.


What's so great about discovery? It's a violent, penetrative act that scars what it explores. What you call discovery,........ I call the rape of the natural world.
 
2014-02-28 11:57:14 PM

syrynxx: Perhaps they can call this one Mesozoic Park and get it right.


Maybe that was the unintentional point. The guys at InGen didn't seem to know a whole hell of a lot about dinosaurs. Except for the hunter dude, at least he knew the dangers the raptors represented.
 
2014-02-28 11:57:36 PM
Jurrasic park is frightening inthe dark with all the Mammoths....wait what *checks* well it looks like they could run wild and if they did they would be scary as shiat.
 
2014-02-28 11:59:50 PM

JesterJoker55: Dalrint: Captain Steroid: If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and SLAPPED it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're SELLING IT! You wanna SELL IT! Well...

No, hold on. This isn't some species that was obliterated by deforestation, or the building of a...oh wait.

What's so great about discovery? It's a violent, penetrative act that scars what it explores. What you call discovery,........ I call the rape of the natural world.


Remind me to thank John for a wonderful weekend.
 
2014-03-01 12:00:04 AM
I've got my BBQ sauce ready...
 
2014-03-01 12:02:57 AM
Fortunately, they're doing the DNA resequencing using a Unix system,

I KNOW THIS!

media.apcmag.com
 
2014-03-01 12:10:45 AM

THE PROBLEM...


www.criticalcommons.org


IS THE SOLUTION!


25.media.tumblr.com

 
2014-03-01 12:13:28 AM
They sat around figuring out if they could. They never stopped to think if they should!
 
2014-03-01 12:15:33 AM
We need to bring back dodo birds. We just do.

I think we need to consider the merits of bringing back the megatherium, too. Release them in the southern U.S. alone with a few thousand smilodons.
 
2014-03-01 12:16:49 AM
Did someone say Mammoth??

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-01 12:23:03 AM
I'll take a canis dirus please. Extra fluffy ^_^
 
2014-03-01 12:24:08 AM
Sooo, first de-extinction will be a colored flying rat.  Scheduled by 2025.  And unknown date for mammoth.   I hope I get to ride one before I die.  How much will rich people pay for a mammoth steak?
 
2014-03-01 12:24:49 AM

K3rmy: Did someone say Mammoth??

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www.ssgmusic.com
MASTADON!
 
2014-03-01 12:33:11 AM
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A drawing a friend of mine whipped up.
 
2014-03-01 12:35:49 AM

Virtuoso80: I don't mind a few mammoths living on a park in Siberia, but resurrecting an invasive bird species that used to number in the billions sounds like a wonderful way to spread new diseases.


I guess you'd better start working on developing your prissy little immune system then.
 
2014-03-01 12:41:03 AM
Why resurrect the mammoth? Just put in the effort to go track down the population of'em hiding out in Siberia.
 
2014-03-01 12:54:34 AM

Mugato: Maybe that was the unintentional point. The guys at InGen didn't seem to know a whole hell of a lot about dinosaurs.


I doubt they cared. "Jurassic" probably tested better with focus groups. Marketing is rarely scientifically accurate.
 
2014-03-01 01:52:37 AM
TLDR.

Got bored skimming the part about the passenger pigeons

So did they find viable DNA of mammoths are going to clone them? or is it just another "we COULD clone them given another 10 to 20 years"
 
2014-03-01 01:57:54 AM
So...shoot the damn thing if it gets out of control. I don't see a problem.

Make T-Rex's for all I care. (oh please oh please)
 
2014-03-01 02:04:46 AM
The United States used to have a native parrot species, the Carolina Parrot. That should be fixed.
 
2014-03-01 02:52:57 AM
Would a de-extincted animal have the same instinctual habits that its predecessors had? I'm pretty sure the article covered this but I don't think my brain is grasping the idea. If we did manage to clone a mammoth would it do what mammoths did back when they were alive? Same for a T-Rex , if we could clone them. Or would a T-Rex develop it's instincts based on whatever animal they paired to rear it?
 
2014-03-01 03:49:49 AM

Virtuoso80: but resurrecting an invasive bird species that used to number in the billions


Invasive?  They were native to North America..
 
2014-03-01 03:51:02 AM
You know what's awesome/sad? 85% of you didn't need to go to IMDB/wikiquotes - it was all from memory.

Jurassic Park: Gen Y's Star Wars.

/Saw it five times in theatres. The VHS came out October 4, 1994. Got my DVD copy (trilogy + bonus) at the Jurassic Park ride gift shop in Universal Hollywood at the end of 2001.
 
2014-03-01 04:53:15 AM

Harry_Seldon: The United States used to have a native parrot species, the Carolina Parrot. That should be fixed.


media3.s-nbcnews.com
 
2014-03-01 05:03:01 AM
Nothing a little environmental damage couldn't fix.

i.imgur.com

/every thread is a Kerbal thread
 
2014-03-01 05:03:46 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well, that would certainly be something so scary it'd clear three hundred square miles of every living Christian soul


I like this idea when can I move in?
 
2014-03-01 05:21:19 AM
Ugh. Sensational headline is sensational. Hey subby, we're all pretty well aware people are working on this, but just sequencing the genomes? Bo-o-oring! Nobody cares, or will care, until they have beating-heart embryos gestating.
 
2014-03-01 05:28:39 AM
"...it could end up being very, very, bad"

Sure, if you're afraid of your own shadow. Us rational people realize it will probably be somewhere between "neutral" and "marginally good."
 
2014-03-01 05:42:06 AM
I say bring back the Moa or the Elephant bird.


/both are probably good eatin'
 
2014-03-01 06:08:34 AM
Definitely bring back any species that mankind has had a hand in extinguishing like the dodo but I would love to see a living short-faced bear.


/from a safe vantage point of course
 
2014-03-01 06:22:20 AM

kddelta2k: Definitely bring back any species that mankind has had a hand in extinguishing like the dodo but I would love to see a living short-faced bear.


Yep. If we had a hand in killing them off, then we should attempt to bring them back. If a species became extent on its own, then it was an evolutionary dead end, and should remain that way.
 
2014-03-01 06:24:27 AM
Extinct, dammit.
 
2014-03-01 06:28:07 AM
A Mammoth Comet would be an appropriate ending.  A Mamet Comet wouldn't even let you finish your coffee.

idk
 
2014-03-01 07:03:35 AM

TheOther: A Mammoth Comet would be an appropriate ending.  A Mamet Comet wouldn't even let you finish your coffee.

idk


A marmot comet would bite off your johnson.
 
2014-03-01 07:06:13 AM
Or very, very yummy!
 
2014-03-01 07:26:54 AM

Loose_Stool: Or very, very yummy!


I only hope I live long enough to be able to order a rack of mammoth ribs* at a drive-in, and have my car tip over.

*yes, I know. Shaddup. I'm making a joke here.
 
2014-03-01 07:57:54 AM
The article misses the biggest problem with this so-called "de-extinction".  Cloning is all well and good, but in order to bring a formerly extinct population back, you're going to need to clone a relatively large number of individuals.  There have to be enough so that when you release them, they can find each other easily enough to reproduce.  As a population, they also need to have enough genetic diversity so that their reproduction doesn't result only in inbreeding in a few generations, which would result in re-extinction and get us back to square one, minus a few million bucks.  That means not only do you have to make a lot of clones, but you have to make a lot of clones of different individuals.  That's probably not too difficult with a species like the Passenger Pigeon, which has a number of tissue samples from multiple individuals, but it's really tough for others that weren't collected as frequently prior to their extinction.

Simberloff as usual makes a great point.  Taking money away from existing conservation measures aimed to prevent further extinction, in order to pay for a method of resurrection that will be questionably successful even under the best of circumstances, seems like a mistake.
 
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