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(USA Today)   Detroit takes top honors once again; this time it's in the winter "misery index" category. Congratulations Motor City   (usatoday.com) divider line 56
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2014-03-01 03:26:50 AM
Glad I live in the Pacific NW...
 
2014-03-01 03:33:21 AM
media.mlive.com

Moe Szyslak: Have you ever thought of racing that bird?

Homer Simpson: You can bet on pigeons?

Moe Szyslak: Hey, if it moves you can bet on it.

Bart Simpson: What about the Detroit Lions?

Moe Szyslak: Hey, lay off Detroit. Them people is going through Mad Max times.
 
2014-03-01 03:35:59 AM
Glad I just moved to Texas. Not so glad I'm going back to SE MI for a week in a few days.
 
2014-03-01 03:37:12 AM
Detroit went into regression because powering AC in factories costs less than heating, plus fewer shutdowns due to unscheduled absence.

The current problems come from acting as if things would come back.
 
2014-03-01 03:44:32 AM
 
2014-03-01 03:49:36 AM
ᎴᏋᏖᏒᎧᎥᏖ ᏂᏗᏕ ᏂᏗᎴ ᎷᎧᏒᏋ ᏖᏂᏗᏁ 6 1/2 ᎦᏋᏋᏖ ᎧᎦ ᏕᏁᎧᏇ ᏗᏁᎴ 100 ᎴᏗᎩᏕ ᏇᏂᏋᏁ ᏖᏂᏋ ᏖᏂᏋᏒᎷᎧᎷᏋᏖᏋᏒ ᎮᏝᏬᏁᎶᏋᎴ ᏰᏋᏝᎧᏇ ᏖᏂᏋ ᎦᏒᏋᏋፚᎥᏁᎶ ᎷᏗᏒᏦ.

Welcome back to normal, winter weather. It has been a while..
 
2014-03-01 04:02:36 AM

aleister_greynight: Glad I live in the Pacific NW...


What part?
 
2014-03-01 04:09:50 AM

NDP2: aleister_greynight: Glad I live in the Pacific NW...

What part?


I imagine the part that won't be covered by several feet of ash when Yellowstone blows.
 
2014-03-01 04:30:44 AM
Lulz. Is there any way Detroit ISN'T the shiattiest big city in America? It's the city its citizens deserve, and a city that deserves its citizens. Can't we just wall that shiat up Escape From New York style and charge to watch?
 
2014-03-01 04:37:38 AM

taurusowner: Glad I just moved to Texas. Not so glad I'm going back to SE MI for a week in a few days.


I grew up with Texas weather so it must be incredibly farked in Michigan if you view Texas weather like it's San Diego weather. Never lived in the North (Houston, DFW, and San Jose) but I doubt I could deal with a real winter.
 
2014-03-01 04:40:36 AM

robohobo: Lulz. Is there any way Detroit ISN'T the shiattiest big city in America? It's the city its citizens deserve, and a city that deserves its citizens. Can't we just wall that shiat up Escape From New York style and charge to watch?


Now that SF and the Silicon Valley have been gentrified Oakland is starting to get pretty nice, so Detroit doesn't even have competition any more, Oakland is getting lucky since the Bay in general is doing well but all Detroit has is Flint. Even Cleveland started to pick it up, I'm not sure Detroit can ever rebound.
 
2014-03-01 04:58:49 AM
NW here. From NE. Bummed they did not have this snow in 2010.
 
2014-03-01 05:11:22 AM
Detroit, Democrat-run paradise since 1962.
 
2014-03-01 05:24:27 AM

StanTheMan: Detroit, Democrat-run paradise since 1962.


Political persuasion has little to do with it. It's cultural, and sometimes a thing's so broken, it can't be fixed.
 
2014-03-01 05:31:14 AM

TheJoe03: taurusowner: Glad I just moved to Texas. Not so glad I'm going back to SE MI for a week in a few days.

I grew up with Texas weather so it must be incredibly farked in Michigan if you view Texas weather like it's San Diego weather. Never lived in the North (Houston, DFW, and San Jose) but I doubt I could deal with a real winter.


I just got really farking tired of snow. Having to drive 2 hours for a trip that should take 40min, tracking snow, slush and mud everywhere, everything being wet and cold and dirty, cleaning off your car every morning, sometimes multiple times a day. Snow is just shiat in every way. Past 8 years old, there is absolutely nothing good about snow whatsoever.
 
2014-03-01 05:34:52 AM

robohobo: StanTheMan: Detroit, Democrat-run paradise since 1962.

Political persuasion has little to do with it. It's cultural, and sometimes a thing's so broken, it can't be fixed.


Well what's Detroit's primary culture? And who does that culture vote for 95% of the time? I can't remember who said it, but I heard a quote along the lines of "anyone who thinks being taken care of by the government is a good thing needs to take a long hard look at an Indian reservation", Well that should be updated to Detroit. Anyone who wants to know what a populous looks like that is made of people who expect the government to do everything for them with zero individual work or responsibility for themselves needs to look at Detroit. Detroit is like a petri dish for socialized policies. All of that "there should be a program for _____" talk eventually leads to Detroit. Every time.
 
2014-03-01 05:41:23 AM
 
2014-03-01 05:57:44 AM
i heard that in the winter legs grow out of the ice in abandoned buildings there, but that's normal there so people ignore it, and hey, free legs.
 
2014-03-01 06:13:49 AM
No Mo Town.
 
2014-03-01 06:17:41 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-01 06:20:48 AM
At this point mocking Detroit is like picking on the Downs syndrome kid in the back of the class...
 
2014-03-01 06:22:32 AM
One of the best things from Detroit ....

3.bp.blogspot.com


worst thing from Detroit...

cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-01 06:49:41 AM

StanTheMan: Detroit, Democrat-run paradise since 1962.


Every major city is (relatively) liberal in every country. This country is really divided by urban vs suburban vs rural, you know by class and culture.
 
2014-03-01 06:50:51 AM
Detroit, proving what liberals do to a city.
 
2014-03-01 06:57:05 AM

Gentoolive: Detroit, proving what liberals do to a city.


I live in the Bay Area, am I supposed to believe some conservative shiathole is somehow nice? Bama and Mississippi are our national punchline, even down south. What great major city do conservatives run? Baton Rogue? Even that town probably voted Democrat. Detroit's problems have little to do with liberalism, crack open a book or at least go to Wikipedia.
 
2014-03-01 07:29:21 AM

robohobo: StanTheMan: Detroit, Democrat-run paradise since 1962.

Political persuasion has little to do with it. It's cultural, and sometimes a thing's so broken, it can't be fixed.


I don't know.  The new Mayor seems to genuinely hold some promise.  His focus is almost entirely on the neighborhoods.  First time the administration has done that since before Coleman Young.
 
2014-03-01 07:31:56 AM
You think Detroit is miserable?  Over on the other side of the state, we've had almost twice as much snow and we're still paying for Detroit!  We would give Detroit to Ohio but even diehard UM fans don't hate Ohio that much.
 
2014-03-01 07:41:51 AM
Winter shminter, Detroit sucks period.
 
2014-03-01 07:53:03 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-01 08:05:39 AM
The brothers are in a funk?
 
2014-03-01 08:27:33 AM

TheJoe03: Detroit's problems have little to do with liberalism, crack open a book or at least go to Wikipedia.


In my experience, conservatives who have never even been to Michigan (except maybe a layover at DTW, which they hated because it was a nice airport) know NOTHING about the city or its history.  To them, Detroit is just a code word for the failure of liberal policies (in their minds).  Reading even a few Wiki  articles would seriously screw with their worldview on that.

In general and on a slightly unrelated note, I'm always irritated by the number of people in Detroit threads who say things like, "well, Detroit's problems all stem from ________," as though politics, the auto industry, democrats, or any other  single entity led to the situation the city is currently facing.  In reality, there were many, many contributing factors.  Easier commuting as a result of the abundance of cars (not to mention very nice suburbs) led to richer folks moving out of the city, restrictive race laws up until the 1950s or so led to widespread segregation (In terms of "white suburbs, black city" Detroit is one of the most segregated metro areas in the USA), the automating of car production decimated the widespread and high-paying employment that had created Detroit's massive and rich middle class (contrary to popular belief, the Detroit 3 still make lots of cars and parts in SE Michigan, and the factories are still open....but they employ only a fraction as many people due to automation, and the workers are much more highly-skilled than they used to be), and you can't have a discussion about Detroit without talking about the massive population decline the city has undergone.  That decline has been a huge stress on the city and its government.  There are at least a dozen other factors involved here as well.

My point is that anyone who just want to blame Detroit's problems on a political party is either intentionally ignorant or appallingly stupid.
 
2014-03-01 08:29:15 AM
Someone probably got a grant to tell everyone winter sucks. I really need to come up with a study. Should only need about $500K
 
2014-03-01 08:38:25 AM

HMS_Blinkin: TheJoe03: Detroit's problems have little to do with liberalism, crack open a book or at least go to Wikipedia.

In my experience, conservatives who have never even been to Michigan (except maybe a layover at DTW, which they hated because it was a nice airport) know NOTHING about the city or its history.  To them, Detroit is just a code word for the failure of liberal policies (in their minds).  Reading even a few Wiki  articles would seriously screw with their worldview on that.

In general and on a slightly unrelated note, I'm always irritated by the number of people in Detroit threads who say things like, "well, Detroit's problems all stem from ________," as though politics, the auto industry, democrats, or any other  single entity led to the situation the city is currently facing.  In reality, there were many, many contributing factors.  Easier commuting as a result of the abundance of cars (not to mention very nice suburbs) led to richer folks moving out of the city, restrictive race laws up until the 1950s or so led to widespread segregation (In terms of "white suburbs, black city" Detroit is one of the most segregated metro areas in the USA), the automating of car production decimated the widespread and high-paying employment that had created Detroit's massive and rich middle class (contrary to popular belief, the Detroit 3 still make lots of cars and parts in SE Michigan, and the factories are still open....but they employ only a fraction as many people due to automation, and the workers are much more highly-skilled than they used to be), and you can't have a discussion about Detroit without talking about the massive population decline the city has undergone.  That decline has been a huge stress on the city and its government.  There are at least a dozen other factors involved here as well.

My point is that anyone who just want to blame Detroit's problems on a political party is either intentionally ignorant or appallingly stupid.


Pretty much all of this. I love Detroit, and really want to see the D make a comeback, but it's first going to take people around the country to stop cheering for its continued suffering. As if what is happening there couldn't happen to any other city around the country.
 
2014-03-01 08:47:47 AM

Gentoolive: Detroit, proving what liberals do to a city.


Detroit is a good example of what enormous income inequality does to a city. There is still a ton of auto industry money around Detroit. Its just not trickling down for some reason.
 
2014-03-01 08:51:38 AM
I am sick of hearing how bad Detroit has it this winter.  Flint has gotten more snow and colder temps, and to top it off, Flint is doing its worst job plowing this year.  Several four lane roads are down to two lanes because they didn't bother clearing the right lanes enough for even a smart car.  Back roads are so bad, some folks have taken it upon themselves to clear them by hand.  Not kidding, it was on the news.

I watched on the news about the trucker who flipped over his rig and killed three people in a Focus.  And all I could think about, how did they get cleared sidewalks.  They put in a sidewalk on Dort Hwy so people wouldn't have to walk in the street during the winter, and none of it is cleared.

/stop whining Detroit
//I do plan on paying close attention to local elections this year.
 
2014-03-01 08:55:55 AM

LarryDan43: Gentoolive: Detroit, proving what liberals do to a city.

Detroit is a good example of what enormous income inequality does to a city. There is still a ton of auto industry money around Detroit. Its just not trickling down for some reason.


Recently, I was reading about how Detroit is proposing to cut the pensions of retired city workers, including police and firemen.  One person was quoted as saying that those cuts would put 95% of Detroit into poverty.  So, I guess 95% of Detroit is retired city workers?

Gotta love politician math.  Unless they were right, and to which, I see a problem.
 
2014-03-01 08:58:17 AM

lack of warmth: LarryDan43: Gentoolive: Detroit, proving what liberals do to a city.

Detroit is a good example of what enormous income inequality does to a city. There is still a ton of auto industry money around Detroit. Its just not trickling down for some reason.

Recently, I was reading about how Detroit is proposing to cut the pensions of retired city workers, including police and firemen.  One person was quoted as saying that those cuts would put 95% of Detroit into poverty.  So, I guess 95% of Detroit is retired city workers?

Gotta love politician math.  Unless they were right, and to which, I see a problem.


If that is true, which I somehow doubt, it's because anyone who could afford to already left.
 
2014-03-01 09:12:32 AM

Shadowknight: lack of warmth: LarryDan43: Gentoolive: Detroit, proving what liberals do to a city.

Detroit is a good example of what enormous income inequality does to a city. There is still a ton of auto industry money around Detroit. Its just not trickling down for some reason.

Recently, I was reading about how Detroit is proposing to cut the pensions of retired city workers, including police and firemen.  One person was quoted as saying that those cuts would put 95% of Detroit into poverty.  So, I guess 95% of Detroit is retired city workers?

Gotta love politician math.  Unless they were right, and to which, I see a problem.

If that is true, which I somehow doubt, it's because anyone who could afford to already left.


It could be some true that Detroit's economic commerce is dependent on retiree money, but definitely not 95%, probably more like 9%.  And many Detroit's retirees don't even live in Detroit anymore.  A lot of people working in Detroit, don't live in Detroit.  I wonder if Detroit charges income tax on all people working in the city, regardless of where they live.  Flint does.
 
2014-03-01 09:14:42 AM

LarryDan43: Gentoolive: Detroit, proving what liberals do to a city.

Detroit is a good example of what enormous income inequality does to a city. There is still a ton of auto industry money around Detroit. Its just not trickling down for some reason.


It seems that people with a lot of money like to keep it.
 
2014-03-01 09:18:36 AM
50 years of uninterrupted Democratic Party rule.

So just who was it that created Detroit's highly unionized, high crime, high corruption, high dependency culture? It takes a special set of skills:

"Detroit has the highest child-mortality rate of any American city, exceeding that of many parts of what we used to call the Third World. The rate of death before the age of 18 in Detroit is nearly three times New York City's, and its infant-mortality rate exceeds that of Botswana. The main cause of premature death among the children of Detroit is premature birth - the second is murder. While the city's murder rate among adults is nothing to be proud of, more horrifying is the fact that between 30 and 40 children are murdered in Detroit in a typical year."
 
2014-03-01 09:27:58 AM
I blame it on the riots. Scared all the white folks away.
 
2014-03-01 09:31:28 AM

taurusowner: robohobo: StanTheMan: Detroit, Democrat-run paradise since 1962.

Political persuasion has little to do with it. It's cultural, and sometimes a thing's so broken, it can't be fixed.

Well what's Detroit's primary culture? And who does that culture vote for 95% of the time? I can't remember who said it, but I heard a quote along the lines of "anyone who thinks being taken care of by the government is a good thing needs to take a long hard look at an Indian reservation", Well that should be updated to Detroit. Anyone who wants to know what a populous looks like that is made of people who expect the government to do everything for them with zero individual work or responsibility for themselves needs to look at Detroit. Detroit is like a petri dish for socialized policies. All of that "there should be a program for _____" talk eventually leads to Detroit. Every time.


Dafuq? Detrouts problems are far more complex than Democrat vs Republican ideology. An over reliance on manufacturing jobs impacted by automation and off soring combined with an overtly corrupt Coleman Young and his protoge, and your just scratching the surface.
 
2014-03-01 09:38:36 AM

LawrencePerson: 50 years of uninterrupted Democratic Party rule.

So just who was it that created Detroit's highly unionized, high crime, high corruption, high dependency culture? It takes a special set of skills:

"Detroit has the highest child-mortality rate of any American city, exceeding that of many parts of what we used to call the Third World. The rate of death before the age of 18 in Detroit is nearly three times New York City's, and its infant-mortality rate exceeds that of Botswana. The main cause of premature death among the children of Detroit is premature birth - the second is murder. While the city's murder rate among adults is nothing to be proud of, more horrifying is the fact that between 30 and 40 children are murdered in Detroit in a typical year."


It doesn't help that the police shoot a kid every so often.  Even when they are napping on a couch.
 
2014-03-01 09:40:03 AM

HMS_Blinkin: TheJoe03: Detroit's problems have little to do with liberalism, crack open a book or at least go to Wikipedia.

In my experience, conservatives who have never even been to Michigan (except maybe a layover at DTW, which they hated because it was a nice airport) know NOTHING about the city or its history.  To them, Detroit is just a code word for the failure of liberal policies (in their minds).  Reading even a few Wiki  articles would seriously screw with their worldview on that.

In general and on a slightly unrelated note, I'm always irritated by the number of people in Detroit threads who say things like, "well, Detroit's problems all stem from ________," as though politics, the auto industry, democrats, or any other  single entity led to the situation the city is currently facing.  In reality, there were many, many contributing factors.  Easier commuting as a result of the abundance of cars (not to mention very nice suburbs) led to richer folks moving out of the city, restrictive race laws up until the 1950s or so led to widespread segregation (In terms of "white suburbs, black city" Detroit is one of the most segregated metro areas in the USA), the automating of car production decimated the widespread and high-paying employment that had created Detroit's massive and rich middle class (contrary to popular belief, the Detroit 3 still make lots of cars and parts in SE Michigan, and the factories are still open....but they employ only a fraction as many people due to automation, and the workers are much more highly-skilled than they used to be), and you can't have a discussion about Detroit without talking about the massive population decline the city has undergone.  That decline has been a huge stress on the city and its government.  There are at least a dozen other factors involved here as well.

My point is that anyone who just want to blame Detroit's problems on a political party is either intentionally ignorant or appallingly stupid.


You said that much better than I.
 
2014-03-01 11:15:32 AM
A state politician from Illinois proposed cutting Chicago and Cook County loose from the rest of the
state because they were dragging it down (actually, it was probably because they don't usually vote
Republican).  Why doesn't a Michigan politician propose hacking Detroit out, for a similar reason -
that is, they're wrecking the rest of Michigan? (Sell them to Canada - at least they'll get free health
care.) It would be like that Bugs Bunny cartoon where he saws Florida loose ("South America, take
it away!").
 
2014-03-01 11:51:49 AM
 
2014-03-01 12:22:17 PM
Ahh another thread where people who don't know a thing about michigan pretend they understand detroit.

Well at least nobody has blamed race yet.
 
2014-03-01 01:15:51 PM

Smackledorfer: Ahh another thread where people who don't know a thing about michigan pretend they understand detroit.

Well at least nobody has blamed race yet.


Only in coded language.

See taurusowner above.
 
2014-03-01 01:16:35 PM

HMS_Blinkin: TheJoe03: Detroit's problems have little to do with liberalism, crack open a book or at least go to Wikipedia.

In my experience, conservatives who have never even been to Michigan (except maybe a layover at DTW, which they hated because it was a nice airport) know NOTHING about the city or its history.  To them, Detroit is just a code word for the failure of liberal policies (in their minds).  Reading even a few Wiki  articles would seriously screw with their worldview on that.

In general and on a slightly unrelated note, I'm always irritated by the number of people in Detroit threads who say things like, "well, Detroit's problems all stem from ________," as though politics, the auto industry, democrats, or any other  single entity led to the situation the city is currently facing.  In reality, there were many, many contributing factors.  Easier commuting as a result of the abundance of cars (not to mention very nice suburbs) led to richer folks moving out of the city, restrictive race laws up until the 1950s or so led to widespread segregation (In terms of "white suburbs, black city" Detroit is one of the most segregated metro areas in the USA), the automating of car production decimated the widespread and high-paying employment that had created Detroit's massive and rich middle class (contrary to popular belief, the Detroit 3 still make lots of cars and parts in SE Michigan, and the factories are still open....but they employ only a fraction as many people due to automation, and the workers are much more highly-skilled than they used to be), and you can't have a discussion about Detroit without talking about the massive population decline the city has undergone.  That decline has been a huge stress on the city and its government.  There are at least a dozen other factors involved here as well.

My point is that anyone who just want to blame Detroit's problems on a political party is either intentionally ignorant or appallingly stupid.


Look at you, being all rational.
 
2014-03-01 01:20:46 PM

TheJoe03: robohobo: Lulz. Is there any way Detroit ISN'T the shiattiest big city in America? It's the city its citizens deserve, and a city that deserves its citizens. Can't we just wall that shiat up Escape From New York style and charge to watch?

Now that SF and the Silicon Valley have been gentrified Oakland is starting to get pretty nice, so Detroit doesn't even have competition any more, Oakland is getting lucky since the Bay in general is doing well but all Detroit has is Flint. Even Cleveland started to pick it up, I'm not sure Detroit can ever rebound.


Oakland is getting lucky?

The bay has been prosperous for a very long time.

There are tons of worse cities than Oakland. (Baltimore, camden, saintlouis, etc)

You don't get out much, do you
 
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