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2014-02-28 05:16:53 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I think we are nearing the event horizon.


I think all that is needed is a RAPE-RAPE REGRETS LAWSUIT action. For the rapers to sue the women they rape for the distressed caused by the harlots for allowing themselves to be rape-raped and not fighting hard enough to (whatever the farking word is that I can't spel.)  the raper from raping.

 Don't laugh, it's going to happen.

/Rape
 
2014-02-28 05:21:00 PM
Sounds like the person who wrote this bill is encouraging women to go get pregnant just to get an abortion and sure.

They must really love abortions.
 
2014-02-28 05:21:02 PM
How's that laser-like focus on the economy coming along, guys?
 
2014-02-28 05:22:22 PM
I'm suing my doctor for "4-hour-boner-from-boner-pill" regret.

/ Er, no I'm not.
// Best lake weekend.
 
2014-02-28 05:23:20 PM
They only want democratic babies aborted, not republic.
 
2014-02-28 05:24:30 PM
O.o this damn bill needs to die.
 
2014-02-28 05:25:36 PM

Shirley Ujest: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I think we are nearing the event horizon.

I think all that is needed is a RAPE-RAPE REGRETS LAWSUIT action. For the rapers to sue the women they rape for the distressed caused by the harlots for allowing themselves to be rape-raped and not fighting hard enough to (whatever the farking word is that I can't spel.)  the raper from raping.

 Don't laugh, it's going to happen.

/Rape


Rape vs. Cocktease?
 
2014-02-28 05:28:44 PM

Shirley Ujest: They only want democratic babies aborted, not republic.


Democrats don't have babies, they spawn heathens.
 
2014-02-28 05:28:46 PM

indylaw: Some day 10 years from now when we finally recover from the Bush financial collapse, we're going to look at the heady years of our flirtation with the lunatic right and it will be like waking up next to a fat woman in a hungover haze.


Thanks, I needed a laugh before leaving work today.
 
2014-02-28 05:28:59 PM
Just give'm one of the many, many unwanted, neglected or abused kids rotting in nightmare foster homes.
 
2014-02-28 05:29:10 PM

BMFPitt: Sounds like the person who wrote this bill is encouraging women to go get pregnant just to get an abortion and sure.

They must really love abortions.


That was my first thought too, but then I realized the consequence of that: making abortion-regret-lawsuit-coverage such an expensive part of malpractice insurance that providers have to stop performing the procedure. This may be a rare case of a GOP legislator actually thinking (one myopic part of) his cunning plan all the way through.
 
2014-02-28 05:31:38 PM

Mr_Fabulous: How's that laser-like focus on the economy coming along, guys?


Nothing like a cheap, disposable labor force to compete with the likes of China right?
 
2014-02-28 05:32:54 PM

apoptotic: So he thinks women are too feeble-minded and emotional to be held accountable for putting their signature on legal documents (ie informed consent form), huh?

I'm trying to think of a way to phrase the question of whether he thinks women should be able to sign anything at all (including their own "traditional marriage" forms or if they should have to get their daddy to sign for them), but my brain keeps looping back to "OMG this man is a complete and total f*ckwit!"


Back in my day, the husband's consent was necessary before a woman could have a tubal ligation.
 
2014-02-28 05:33:56 PM

apoptotic: BMFPitt: Sounds like the person who wrote this bill is encouraging women to go get pregnant just to get an abortion and sure.

They must really love abortions.

That was my first thought too, but then I realized the consequence of that: making abortion-regret-lawsuit-coverage such an expensive part of malpractice insurance that providers have to stop performing the procedure. This may be a rare case of a GOP legislator actually thinking (one myopic part of) his cunning plan all the way through.


That's obviously the intent, but if I were interviewing him, that's definitely the direction I would go.
 
2014-02-28 05:34:08 PM

DamnYankees: So this is basically a bill who's purpose is to motivate doctors to not perform abortion for fear they'll be sued, right?


section 1 paragraph 3 (I think) states that financial damages can be limited, so yes, they want some show trials to try and dissuade doctors from performing abortions, let's tie up all their time in court!!! also in limiting damages to me it says they don't give a fark about the woman or host as women are known in GOP circles.

the GOP is running out of ideas on how they can subvert settled law so it's kitchen sink time.
 
2014-02-28 05:37:15 PM
Danko Jones would have one hell of a lawsuit...
 
2014-02-28 05:38:25 PM
can anyone come up with a regret tort like this? i've got nothing
 
2014-02-28 05:38:37 PM

indylaw: Some day 10 years from now when we finally recover from the Bush financial collapse, we're going to look at the heady years of our flirtation with the lunatic right and it will be like waking up next to a fat woman in a hungover haze.


Who do we sue for that? Bush or the fat chick?


Gentoolive: Lawsuits bad, killing baby's good.


Killing baby is not good. Killing baby is actually quite terrifying.

static.comicvine.com
 
2014-02-28 05:41:33 PM
You know what women regret more than having an abortion? Being denied one.
 
2014-02-28 05:42:48 PM

JNowe: What d'ya got for tattoo regret?


Please, there is no such thing
starcasm.net
 
2014-02-28 05:44:37 PM

MutantMotherMouse: apoptotic: So he thinks women are too feeble-minded and emotional to be held accountable for putting their signature on legal documents (ie informed consent form), huh?

I'm trying to think of a way to phrase the question of whether he thinks women should be able to sign anything at all (including their own "traditional marriage" forms or if they should have to get their daddy to sign for them), but my brain keeps looping back to "OMG this man is a complete and total f*ckwit!"

Back in my day, the husband's consent was necessary before a woman could have a tubal ligation.


I didn't marry no barren womb!
 
2014-02-28 05:44:41 PM

Trivia Jockey: naughtyrev: Can we sue politicians because of election regret?

DAMMIT!  Just missed.


Just think of your comment as a big fat "THIS" to that and you're good.

Really, this nitwit is opening up a bottomless can of worms. Infinite possibilities for [your regret here].
 
2014-02-28 05:45:50 PM
I wonder what the Venn diagram of the people who support this bill and the people who get frothing mad about what they call "sex regret" rape cases looks like.  I'm going to guess there's a lot of overlap.  And that the folks in that overlapping area are completely irony-proof.
 
2014-02-28 05:48:51 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ...if it would finally get people to admit that lawsuits are a major cause of expenses in the healthcare industry and that tort reform is necessary.



How much is "major"? Of all the dollars spent on health care in the U.S., what's the percentage that goes to lawsuits? Since you brought it up, I presume you have some numbers handy...
 
2014-02-28 05:53:48 PM

phaseolus: The Stealth Hippopotamus: ...if it would finally get people to admit that lawsuits are a major cause of expenses in the healthcare industry and that tort reform is necessary.


How much is "major"? Of all the dollars spent on health care in the U.S., what's the percentage that goes to lawsuits? Since you brought it up, I presume you have some numbers handy...


i think its generally estimated at around 2%   http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2010/09/07/the-true-cost-of-med i cal-malpractice-it-may-surprise-you/ when you add in the unnecessary defensive medicine costs

btw that took 8 seconds to look up on google, you should try it
 
2014-02-28 05:54:14 PM
The "pro-life" coalition is getting preposterously creative with its legislation. In Iowa, a new bill would allow women to sue their doctors for malpractice up to 10 years after their abortion-not because they suffered physical injury (those rare cases are already covered under existing malpractice law), but because they experienced regret.

Retarded law is retarded. Now, you're going to have women getting abortions just to cash in. Nice. This is not going to have the effect you think it will. And there is no way that this bill will pass. Why not put up a bill that says fathers can sue the mothers for emotional distress, for murdering their child without the father's input? If the mother gets an abortion, it's legal, if a father punches his pregnant woman in the stomach and she loses the baby, its murder. Not saying either is right, but why does the father, who put up 50 percent of the dna, have no say at all?

I had a gf long ago, who got an abortion behind my back, and killed my baby son. I would have taken him in myself and raised him, but no. I had no right to even KNOW she was pregnant, and no say in if the baby lived or died, but am expected to pay through the nose if she has it. That doesn't piss me off as much as i had 0 say at all, effectively, a non person until it's time to write the checks. Bullshiat.
 
2014-02-28 05:57:48 PM

Gentoolive: Lawsuits bad, killing baby's good.


Killing baby's good what?
 
2014-02-28 06:00:45 PM

Shirley Ujest: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I think we are nearing the event horizon.

I think all that is needed is a RAPE-RAPE REGRETS LAWSUIT action. For the rapers to sue the women they rape for the distressed caused by the harlots for allowing themselves to be rape-raped and not fighting hard enough to (whatever the farking word is that I can't spel.)  the raper from raping.

 Don't laugh, it's going to happen.

/Rape


I got drunk last night and raped-raped a girl. Woke up next to her this morning and realised that she was super ugly. I now regret raping her, can I sue?

I got some dope from my dealer, It was so superstrong that I freaked out. I now regret smoking it. Can I sue my dealer?

I also spent my last 100 grand on a Lambo, now I'm homeless, pennyless and sleeping on the street (can't afford to get the car dirty). I now regret getting that car, can I sue?

This is farking retarded...
 
2014-02-28 06:01:55 PM
I regret his Mom didn't have several abortions.  Can we sue?
 
2014-02-28 06:05:04 PM
The group most responsible for "abortion regret" are those that go around trying to convince women that a 2 month old fetus is an actual person.
 
2014-02-28 06:09:22 PM

Robin Hoodie: phaseolus: The Stealth Hippopotamus: ...if it would finally get people to admit that lawsuits are a major cause of expenses in the healthcare industry and that tort reform is necessary.


How much is "major"? Of all the dollars spent on health care in the U.S., what's the percentage that goes to lawsuits? Since you brought it up, I presume you have some numbers handy...

i think its generally estimated at around 2%   http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2010/09/07/the-true-cost-of-med i cal-malpractice-it-may-surprise-you/ when you add in the unnecessary defensive medicine costs

btw that took 8 seconds to look up on google, you should try it


Which part of "Since you brought it up" don't you understand?
 
2014-02-28 06:12:06 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: You know what women regret more than having an abortion? Being denied one.


Sleeping with me in the first place?
 
2014-02-28 06:17:00 PM
I want my tonsils back!
 
2014-02-28 06:19:00 PM

Calmamity: I regret going in to debt to pay for college. I don't feel that I was very well informed about the consequences of signing those loan checks. Gimme $.


I'm getting a kick out of reading your comment, because my student loans got discharged and finished up the last part of that yesterday.

Of course, it's because I'm on disability, and haven't been about to work this century, which kind of really sucks, but at least I don't have the albatross of student loans hanging around over my head anymore after 10 years+ of trying to get them discharged and a ruined credit history (I once had a great credit rating).  But least for today, not fml.
 
2014-02-28 06:19:16 PM
Personal Responsibility My Ass
Self Serving Hypocrites
They will burn in hell


/if it exists
 
2014-02-28 06:20:07 PM

Calmamity: DamnYankees: So this is basically a bill who's purpose is to motivate doctors to not perform abortion for fear they'll be sued, right?

Of course not! It's all about the health of the breeding cattle, or fu*k dolls, or women or whatever you call them.


My fu*k doll never gets pregnant, no matter how much load i dump in her, which reminds me...I really gotta get some latex cleaner.
 
2014-02-28 06:21:20 PM

phaseolus: How much is "major"? Of all the dollars spent on health care in the U.S., what's the percentage that goes to lawsuits? Since you brought it up, I presume you have some numbers handy...


Link


DrBenway: Which part of "Since you brought it up" don't you understand?


Some people arnt smart enough to use the Google. These people should be pitied and helped
 
2014-02-28 06:28:43 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Actually you can sue if the bartender kept serving you after he knew you were drunk. I'm not sure if it has ever worked on hangovers but car accidents and injury due to alcohol poisoning has worked. I'm not sure if a lawyer would bother with trying to get compensation for a headache


Can you sue, or is it just your victim who can sue?  I've never heard of the person who was actually drinking suing the bartender (although I suppose parents might sue if their underaged kid was served).

A better comparison might be if the fetuses were suing the doctor, which, if you think about it, may be why the anti-abortion camp is always trying to get fetuses declared human beings.
 
2014-02-28 06:31:01 PM
Im ok with this. Its not banning or infringing on Roe V Wade in any way. Plus it will be fun to watch the libs that usually love lawyers pipe bombing lawyer offices for them sueing an abortion clinic out of existince.
 
2014-02-28 06:48:02 PM

Oldiron_79: Im ok with this. Its not banning or infringing on Roe V Wade in any way. Plus it will be fun to watch the libs that usually love lawyers pipe bombing lawyer offices for them sueing an abortion clinic out of existince.


If only your grasp of the English language were as powerful as your imagination.
 
2014-02-28 06:49:41 PM
Farkin' stubborn misogynistic narrow-minded old men.
The worst kind of human to be placed in-charge, or to pander to.
The sooner we stop listening to the old guys, the sooner we can move on.
 
2014-02-28 06:53:23 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DrBenway: Which part of "Since you brought it up" don't you understand?

Some people arnt smart enough to use the Google. These people should be pitied and helped


It's common practice to require the one making the claim to provide evidence. Though if you had done that you wouldn't have made the "major" statement in the first place because you were clearly wrong.
 
2014-02-28 06:55:02 PM
Bottom line:  The definition of a frivolous lawsuit is any lawsuit but mine.
 
2014-02-28 06:55:39 PM
This is a stupid bill. What could she possibly get from the physician that would compensate her for a fetus? Dibs on the next available orphan?
 
2014-02-28 07:12:58 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: phaseolus: How much is "major"? Of all the dollars spent on health care in the U.S., what's the percentage that goes to lawsuits? Since you brought it up, I presume you have some numbers handy...

Link


DrBenway: Which part of "Since you brought it up" don't you understand?

Some people arnt smart enough to use the Google. These people should be pitied and helped


In what world is $5.4 billion a major part of $3500 billion?

From your link,
"... save as much as $54 billion over the next decade by imposing an array of new limits on medical malpractice lawsuits"

The other link presented in the thread says,
"A new study reveals that the cost of medical malpractice in the United States is running at about $55.6 billion a year - $45.6 billion  "

But still, how the hell is $55.6 billion a major part of $3500 billion.

Link for the $3500 billion cost of healthcare in 2012:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2012/12/30/2012-the-year-in-hea lt hcare-charts/
 
2014-02-28 07:14:18 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: phaseolus: How much is "major"? Of all the dollars spent on health care in the U.S., what's the percentage that goes to lawsuits? Since you brought it up, I presume you have some numbers handy...

Link



Okay, $54bn savings over ten years. $5.4bn saved per year, more or less. I see that health care's a $1.668 trillion business in the U.S. every year, according to this Link. So doing the math, it looks like the CBO's saying that "tort reform" might reduce health care costs by 0.3%.

Granted, $tens of billions is nothing to sneeze at, and sure, let's talk about it as *part* of a solution to lowering health care costs. But pretending it's the magic bullet is proven wrong when you look at the numbers. It's one of those myths that only conservatives believe. Reform all the torts and the U.S. will *still* be paying almost double per capita on health care than the rest of the world.


Some people arnt smart enough to use the Google. These people should be pitied and helped

Of course I know about web searches. I was using a rhetorical technique -- you took something quantifiable and judged it qualitatively ("major cause of health care expenditures"), and even though I knew I could look up the actual numbers and had heard before that lawsuits accounted for maybe 1-2% of all the health care dollars, I wanted to hear *you* explain how a percent or two was a major component of the total... which of course you ran away from.

Me, I'm not much for pity -- the Buddhists tell me that pity's not good for anything -- but I think people who think 0.3 - 2% is a "major" proportion of anything ought to be helped a little with their math and reading comprehension...
 
2014-02-28 07:15:24 PM
I weep for my home state. Bob VanderPlaats is probably tugging one off right now.
 
2014-02-28 07:18:14 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: The "pro-life" coalition is getting preposterously creative with its legislation. In Iowa, a new bill would allow women to sue their doctors for malpractice up to 10 years after their abortion-not because they suffered physical injury (those rare cases are already covered under existing malpractice law), but because they experienced regret.

Retarded law is retarded. Now, you're going to have women getting abortions just to cash in. Nice. This is not going to have the effect you think it will. And there is no way that this bill will pass. Why not put up a bill that says fathers can sue the mothers for emotional distress, for murdering their child without the father's input? If the mother gets an abortion, it's legal, if a father punches his pregnant woman in the stomach and she loses the baby, its murder. Not saying either is right, but why does the father, who put up 50 percent of the dna, have no say at all?

I had a gf long ago, who got an abortion behind my back, and killed my baby son. I would have taken him in myself and raised him, but no. I had no right to even KNOW she was pregnant, and no say in if the baby lived or died, but am expected to pay through the nose if she has it. That doesn't piss me off as much as i had 0 say at all, effectively, a non person until it's time to write the checks. Bullshiat.


Because it is not his body, and you can't force a woman to bear your child or abort it against her will.  How often does this need to be explained?
 
2014-02-28 07:20:27 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: RedPhoenix122: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: RedPhoenix122: Calmamity: DamnYankees: So this is basically a bill who's purpose is to motivate doctors to not perform abortion for fear they'll be sued, right?

Of course not! It's all about the health of the breeding cattle, or fu*k dolls, or women or whatever you call them.

Hosts.

Fetus factories

I was referring to this

Oh, they actually came out and said it?


Yes, although that's not really shocking.  It's how most pro-lifers view women - unable to make choices and only fit to make sammiches or throw dinner parties. It's disgusting.

My opinion on the matter is, if you don't want an abortion, then don't farking get one. But that does not give you the right to make that choice for someone else.
 
2014-02-28 07:26:27 PM

DamnYankees: So this is basically a bill who's purpose is to motivate doctors to not perform abortion for fear they'll be sued, right?


How is this different from other medical fields. Look at the number of obstetricians after John Edwards got done with his lawsuits. Abortion doctors should be exempted from not informing their patient of possible consequences?

Not saying I support the law, but you seem to be carving out exemptions.
 
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