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(KOLO TV Reno)   "Hey Dad, take a look at this new gun I bought to keep us safe from-" **BANG**   (kolotv.com) divider line 37
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2014-02-28 03:19:48 PM  
4 votes:
I reference to the idea that a gun is always loaded, it's story time...

Years ago, my father in law died.  While cleaning out his house, my wife found a small gun under his pillow.  I told everyone to leave the room, locked myself in the bathroom, and carefully opened up the gun.  It had a single short-shot .22 in the chamber.  It was loaded.

So I took out the bullet, and made it a point to pack away the gun and the box of bullets in seperate places.

A few weeks ago, we decided to search the basement because neither my wife or I could remember where the hell we packed the thing away.  We found it in a locked briefcase in the basement.  So, I'm looking at the instruction booklet that came with it, and I was astonished to find out, it was NOT a single shot pistol after all.  It has a magazine in the handle.  Once I got that out, I found that the entire magazine was loaded.

In other words, even though I thought I unloaded it, I didn't actually completely.  And that's scary as hell.
I'm still a little baffled as to how this gun works as a semiautomatic, as the only way to discharge the spent shell is to open up the barrel.  (perhaps someone could explain that one.)

The point of the story is, the gun is ALWAYS loaded.  Never assume otherwise.
2014-02-28 03:13:56 PM  
4 votes:

Bane of Broone: Wow. There are a LOT of these guns accidentally firing nowadays. Who knew they would just go off by themselves so frequently?


There are NO accidents if a gun is discharged.

Absolutely none. It's total negligence and incompetence.
2014-02-28 03:12:57 PM  
3 votes:
There are NO accidents if a gun is discharged.

Absolutely none. It's total negligence and incompetence.
2014-02-28 01:52:01 PM  
3 votes:
A little detail on just how the gun decided to fire on its own would have been nice.  I mean, there are tens of millions of pistol owners in this country that might want to be on the look out for this poltergeist behavior.

Also: from the comments "a gunshot to the leg can put you in critical condition?"

Yeah, dummy, they're callled "femoral arteries."
2014-02-28 05:25:26 PM  
2 votes:

Aquapope: Nope, not trolling. Sure, if the above 4 points are followed, no problems. But there are problems, so I simply wondered if having an extra option might not be some small help. If it's too big of a deal to keep the safety on when the gun isn't in use, leave it the fark off. I'm not a gun owner - I didn't know there was a big hatred of safeties among gun folks.


To provide a fair and un-assholish answer (and to expand on my thoughtful Black hawk Down pic), if you keep the booger hooks off the bang switch, you shouldn't have a problem. For one, you should NEVER rely on a manual safety. It's great if you're a dumbass, and you leave your gun on hte table and your 4 year old picks it up only to not be able to use it because the safety is on, but like anything mechanical, it can fail. You don't want to be swinging your gun around like Revolver Ocelot only to find the safety didn't fully engage and you end up doing a desk pop.

Don't really need one on a double action. With a DA you don't need to cock the hammer. pulling the trigger does that for you, and it will be a harder pull because you have to pull the hammer back as well. It's hard (I guess easy for morons) to do by accident. Now with a 1911, it won't fire unless the hammer has been locked back, and then it will be a real light trigger pull. If you want to be ready to fire in an emergency (and you do. If you ever find yourself *needing* to fire, you need to fire it now, and really don't have time to be dicking with the hammer) you need to carry it cocked and with a round in the chamber. In that case, a safety is useful.

If you are carrying a pistol in your pocket, a safety is useful so that other crap which you should really *not* have in that same pocket won't bump against the trigger and set it off. But for a standard double action, I really see no need for a safety. Don't play with it, and don't be an idiot, and the gun won't fire.
2014-02-28 03:19:12 PM  
2 votes:

fisker: Oh, look. A gun thread. I guess it's time to come on in and tell liberals how farked up they are because they don't have guns and don't get to experience things like this.


This might be a shock and terrifying thought to you, but many of those liberals are gun owners themselves, and some of us even carry concealed. :)
2014-02-28 02:59:38 PM  
2 votes:
If only the woman had had her own gun, this wouldn't have happened.
2014-03-01 02:03:09 AM  
1 votes:
The "no such thing as an accident" is one of those sayings that's false but speaks a lot of truth. It's just like the "gun is always loaded." The gun isn't always loaded but it's a saying to establish a mindset and first assumed fact.

If a gun discharges and you say "It was an accident" immediately you have an uphill battle because the established fact is contrary. It may very well be an accident but the burden of proof is large. Additionally and more importantly it actively combats the notion that it's OK to have an accident and that accident precludes negligence or fault. An accident is simply an outcome contrary to intention or design. There are negligent accidents and blameful accidents just like there are the innocent variety.

However as we all know "accident" is the first refuge of the negligent and due to sophistry of language the subtleties of definition aren't reliable. By reserving the word "accident" and even automatically applying the label "negligent" it forces any discharge to be explained in more illuminating language.

By not allowing "accidents" leaves the gun operator no recourse but to make full effort not for such discharges to occur which is the attitude he should have had in the first place.
2014-03-01 01:19:06 AM  
1 votes:

simkatu: Presumably, the argument is that owning a gun keeps your family safe from being shot by a firearm, but the statistics don't bear that out. You're far more likely to use your household's gun on a family member or a friend than on an armed intruder that is meaning to do your family harm.


Presumably, you think that any asshole like you who wants to break into my house should be able to do it with no risk.  Go fark your mother.

I grew up in Texas, and I know a ton of people who own guns.  I don't know anyone who has been shot because of your "statistics say if you have a gun in your house you will be shot" nonsense.

I know several people who have avoided trouble because the assholes who are trying to break in have left when a gun showed up.  It's happened to me.  Asshole tried to break in, I pointed a gun and told him "Leave, now, never come back" and I never saw him again.

So you can biatch and whine about how everyone who owns a gun is statistically going to die because of that gun.  It just makes you a lying asshole who thinks that the thugs should be able to do whatever they want with no risk.
2014-02-28 11:02:47 PM  
1 votes:
I have many different types of handguns.  I am a fan of the 1911 as well as Glocks, S&W M&P series and Springfield XD series. Of course the 1911s I own have external safeties.  None of my other guns do.  In my career I have had to carry a weapon on a daily basis for 22 years.  I have never had a single incident of my weapons firing other than when purposely fired.  The guns I most often carry are Glocks.  When carried in a proper holster, even a concealment holster,  I have never had anything "snag" there trigger.  I am willing to bet when people claim that happened they are only doing so because they are embarrassed that they exercised poor discipline handling the weapon and had a negligent discharge.  This issue is never in the design.  When you carry a weapon you should be aware of its operations and any thing you need to do to carry and operate that weapon safely.  Glocks are one of the most commonly carried weapons by police officers.  Police officers shoot far less often than recreational shooters and yet they rarely have negligent discharges.  If the problem with Glocks was their design I think you would see this far more often.  Any gun can discharge when gripped and your finger is on the trigger.
2014-02-28 09:25:57 PM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: teenytinycornteeth: you know what, I may have to stay out of gun threads from now on.  Not for the partisan bullshiat, not for the round an' round an' round semantic arguments, not for the ad hominem attacks or massive dick waving, but because if I hear one more person say "keep your nose picker off the bang switch" as if it's a hilarious gun retort, I'm going to pull my own face off.

Keep your booger hooks of the bang switch.
Now record that shiat and post to YouTube. Never seen someone pull his own face off. Will you use a tool, or just booger hooks?


It's like when people keep saying "people should need a license to have children" as if they just now thought of it and are presenting us with some incredibly witty and brand new knowledge.
2014-02-28 08:01:37 PM  
1 votes:
you know what, I may have to stay out of gun threads from now on.  Not for the partisan bullshiat, not for the round an' round an' round semantic arguments, not for the ad hominem attacks or massive dick waving, but because if I hear one more person say "keep your nose picker off the bang switch" as if it's a hilarious gun retort, I'm going to pull my own face off.
2014-02-28 06:49:07 PM  
1 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: deadlyplatypus: demaL-demaL-yeH: Smackledorfer: Aquapope: I was never in favor of safeties, I just wondered about them.  I don't know enough about guns to have an opinion one way or another.  Read my original post - I asked if it would be hard to require.  I didn't advocate doing it.  It could be difficult for mechanical, political, financial or some other reason.  That's why I asked.   I've been told it's pointless by you, and that almost all handguns already have mechanical safeties by somebody else, but not why it's pointless enough not to add it to a weapon, in spite of almost all of them having them.  Clearly I'm not the only one who doesn't know what I'm talking about.

Actually in the post in which I said my reasons against a safety, I included sufficient points to answer your the second underlined part.

Stop trolling.

mbillips: Oh, God, don't start. Aquapope doesn't know anything about handgun design; he's said as much. Don't start some stupid Socratic dialogue with him.

You are correct, and I am done with him now.

Googles "Glock leg" -holster. "Glock cock" - holster.
Googles: "M1911 leg" - holster,   clicks ONLY result.
Hmm.
Yeah. Manual safeties are farking pointless.

Much of the injuries that result from drawing Glocks occur because of their piss poor design, not the lack of a manual safety.  Glocks have a"safe action trigger" which prevents them from firing unless the trigger is depressed.  The problem is that Glocks have 1) fairly light trigger pulls and 2) fairly short trigger pulls.  You don't read about "Colt Python leg" or "M1911 leg" because of factors other than manual safeties. Double action revolvers have longer, stiffer (giggity) trigger pulls (unless at full-cock) and 1911s have grip safeties (grip safeties are NOT manual safeties and would not prevent shootings like this because the jagoff was likely holding the weapon when he fired).

*AHEM*
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Your point? I didn't say that 1911s lack any manual safety, just that GRIP SAFETIES are  not manual safeties. 1911s are safer than Glocks (really, very few modern guns aren't safer than Glocks) for a number of reasons that aren't remotely related to manual safeties.

1. A 1911 can be carried in numerous conditions (all are assuming a loaded magazine is in the weapon, without one it is Condition 4)
     -No round in chamber, not cocked, no safeties engaged (Condition 3)
     -No round in chamber, cocked, all safeties on (why?)
     -No round in chamber, cocked, no safeties on (why?)
     -Round in chamber, not cocked, no safeties on (Condition 2)
     -Round in chamber, cocked, all safeties on (Condition 1)
     -Round in chamber, cocked, no safeties on (Condition 0)
A Glock has two Conditions:
     -Round in the chamber, cocked
     -No round in the chamber, not cocked
This means there is noway to "decock" a Glock, or prevent it from being cocked as you load the chamber

2. Glocks' trigger pulls tend to be short

3. Glocks' trigger pulls tend to be light

4. 1911s have a grip safety, which is NOT a manual safety and would not prevent shootings like this but do prevent the weapon from firing if the trigger gets snagged on something but you aren't holding the grip (Glock's safe action trigger ONLY prevents discharge if the trigger isn't pulled...essentially it won't go off if you drop it.) A 1911 won't go off if dropped or if the trigger is snagged unless something is depressing the grip safety.

5. A higher percentage of Glock owners are cops and idiots compared to 1911s. (I have no scientific data to prove the latter, just informal experience with Glock fan-boys).
2014-02-28 05:51:30 PM  
1 votes:

mbillips: Witty_Retort: Dimensio: Witty_Retort: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Bane of Broone: Wow. There are a LOT of these guns accidentally firing nowadays. Who knew they would just go off by themselves so frequently?

The industry claims a near perfect safety record, and our benevolent leaders have arranged that they cannot be sued. Kind of sad for the victims of these poorly constructed weapons.

Please cite legislation prohibiting lawsuits against firearm manufacturers.

First result from Bing:
Gun Control And The New Federal Law Shielding Gun Manufacturers From Lawsuits

/I use it for free Redbox movies

The Act to which that article refers only shields firearm manufacturers and sellers from lawsuits related to injuries caused by criminal or unlawful use of the firearm by a third party. The law states that prohibited civil actions "shall not include" actions against a firearm transferror convicted of illegally transferring a firearm, actions against a manufacturer who knowingly violated laws relating to the sale or marketing of their product, any action against a manufacturer who demonstrably conspired to provide a firearm to a prohibited person, any action relating to a violation of a product warranty or any action relating to injury resulting from a defect in a manufacturer's product.

As such, a manufacturer can be sued following injury resulting from a manufacturing defect, and a firearm seller can be sued for damages resulting from that seller knowingly providing firearms to a felon. A firearm manufacturer may also be sued for failing to abide by a product warranty.

HotWingConspiracy claimed that "the industry" "cannot be sued". For that claim to be honest, those exceptions to the law must be nullified by further legislation, as the Act to which you referred explicitly defines conditions under which a firearm manufacturer may be sued. Please identify the legislation that nullifies those exceptions.

Using pedantry to move the goalposts? They cannot be sued for some ...


The other reason they weren't hurt is because the "unexpected" discharge of Single Action revolvers (such as the "old" version of the Blackhawk) were not unexpected.  The fact that a weapon designed in that manner would fire when dropped/struck on the hammer was well known, explaining why it was common practice even in the 19th century to carry a SAO revolver with the chamber under the hammer empty.  It wasn't a manufacturing defect, merely a "side-effect" of SAO revolvers at the time.

Also, transfer bar safeties were adopted in modern SAO revolvers to prevent a discharge without the trigger being depressed, something ALL manufacturers of revolvers adopted.  Essentially, once the problem was identified and it was decided to be "significant," it was solved. 

Not saying you're wrong, but the firearms industry fixes defects and design flaws rather quickly compared to many other industries (e.g. automobile manufacturers).  But for people to insinuate that firearms manufacturers are somehow LEGALLY protected from lawsuits is incorrect.  Unless someone considers misuse or illegal use of a weapon to be the manufacturers fault, something we don't do with automobiles, garbage disposals, rope manufacturers, or alcohol.

/Don't know why I included garbage disposals.
2014-02-28 05:06:44 PM  
1 votes:

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


www.operatorchan.org
2014-02-28 05:05:24 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: I don't care what people say.

There needs to be an IQ test just to walk in the door of a gun shop. Better still: there should be an IQ test to walk within fifty miles of anything that even resembles a firearm.

Note that this also helps us exclude crazy teachers who think gun-shaped Pop-Tarts are weapons of mass destruction.


Your proposal would destroy many police departments.
2014-02-28 04:33:12 PM  
1 votes:

Witty_Retort: Dimensio: Witty_Retort: Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Bane of Broone: Wow. There are a LOT of these guns accidentally firing nowadays. Who knew they would just go off by themselves so frequently?

The industry claims a near perfect safety record, and our benevolent leaders have arranged that they cannot be sued. Kind of sad for the victims of these poorly constructed weapons.

Please cite legislation prohibiting lawsuits against firearm manufacturers.

First result from Bing:
Gun Control And The New Federal Law Shielding Gun Manufacturers From Lawsuits

/I use it for free Redbox movies

The Act to which that article refers only shields firearm manufacturers and sellers from lawsuits related to injuries caused by criminal or unlawful use of the firearm by a third party. The law states that prohibited civil actions "shall not include" actions against a firearm transferror convicted of illegally transferring a firearm, actions against a manufacturer who knowingly violated laws relating to the sale or marketing of their product, any action against a manufacturer who demonstrably conspired to provide a firearm to a prohibited person, any action relating to a violation of a product warranty or any action relating to injury resulting from a defect in a manufacturer's product.

As such, a manufacturer can be sued following injury resulting from a manufacturing defect, and a firearm seller can be sued for damages resulting from that seller knowingly providing firearms to a felon. A firearm manufacturer may also be sued for failing to abide by a product warranty.

HotWingConspiracy claimed that "the industry" "cannot be sued". For that claim to be honest, those exceptions to the law must be nullified by further legislation, as the Act to which you referred explicitly defines conditions under which a firearm manufacturer may be sued. Please identify the legislation that nullifies those exceptions.

Using pedantry to move the goalposts? They cannot be sued for some things. Some ...


I thought when HWC said ^^^Bolded^^^ that he was saying "they cannot be sued". Maybe he meant something other than "they cannot be sued", but "they cannot be sued" generally means "they cannot be sued". I think Dimensio took that as HWC saying that "they cannot be sued", then there was a link posted to legislation that didn't say what the poster thought it said, and Dimensio actually read the link and came back with his argument. I don't see how this qualifies as moving goalposts....

Dimensio, please correct me if I am wrong.

/cannot be sued
2014-02-28 04:10:19 PM  
1 votes:

mbillips: johnny queso: it's really encouraging that the gun owners in this thread seem to be complete standoffish assholes. aquapope asked about the pros and cons of safeties and every answer involved calling him either an idiot or a troll.  nice job.

Yeah, that's not what happened. Aquapope made an inaccurate statement about a prior gun thread, a trollish aside about the NRA, and then got butthurt when he got called on it. The reason nobody explained about safeties to his satisfaction is that a proper explanation would run into several hundred words and involve diagrams and photos.


actually he seemed to be asking about safeties.  from an uninterested bystander most of you sound like defensive jerks.
2014-02-28 04:00:55 PM  
1 votes:
it's really encouraging that the gun owners in this thread seem to be complete standoffish assholes. aquapope asked about the pros and cons of safeties and every answer involved calling him either an idiot or a troll.  nice job.
2014-02-28 03:53:12 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn


I'm still a little baffled as to how this gun works as a semiautomatic, as the only way to discharge the spent shell is to open up the barrel. (perhaps someone could explain that one.)


mbillips provided some info already.

The tip-up barrel is there to make loading the first round easier: tip the barrel up, insert the cartridge, push the barrel back down. You can also pull the slide back to chamber the first round but since you're fighting a fairly tough spring it can be difficult to do.

Beretta still makes a .22 like that, called the Bobcat, and a .32 called the Tomcat (although they may have ceased production on that one). Taurus makes a similar model called the PT22.
2014-02-28 03:49:39 PM  
1 votes:

Aquapope: Smackledorfer: Aquapope: I didn't know there was a big hatred of safeties among gun folks.

It is not hatred.

ooc, do you have more arguments in favor of a safety to counter those against, or have you changed your mind and now feel the safety is a pointless addition to the weapon?

I was never in favor of safeties, I just wondered about them.  I don't know enough about guns to have an opinion one way or another.  Read my original post - I asked if it would be hard to require.  I didn't advocate doing it.  It could be difficult for mechanical, political, financial or some other reason.  That's why I asked.  I've been told it's pointless by you, and that almost all handguns already have mechanical safeties by somebody else, but not why it's pointless enough not to add it to a weapon, in spite of almost all of them having them.  Clearly I'm not the only one who doesn't know what I'm talking about.


All modern guns have safeties of some sort or another that will prevent the firing pin from coming into contact with the primer of a bullet unless the trigger is pulled.

You may be thinking of (from your earlier post) of Glock or other striker fired pistols with no clear external safety that prevents trigger pull. Glocks have a trigger safety that requires a significant amount of force for the initial trigger pull, mainly to prevent accidental trigger pull from withdrawing from a holster. Person shooting it does need to make a deleberate pull of the trigger to fire the gun.

There are other safety styles like on a 1911 where a level in the grip needs to be depressed before the trigger can be pulled or  a switch/lever that needs to be flipped before the trigger can be pulled.

This is only for semi-automatics and not revolvers which are different.
2014-02-28 03:48:42 PM  
1 votes:
No charges...of course.  Why would responsible gun owners want any responsibility to be held to?
2014-02-28 03:47:35 PM  
1 votes:

Farking Canuck: Let's see. Statistically, you are more likely to get shot if you have a gun in the house.  Someone brought a gun into the house. A person living in that house got shot.

Yup. The math works.


But you're ignoring the equally valid statement that statistically, you are more likely to gun down a drug-crazed urban thug rapist werewolf zombie home invader if you have a gun in the house. The math means nothing unless you compare the cost-benefit.

/You're still going to be correct, but you haven't shown all your work.
2014-02-28 03:44:30 PM  
1 votes:
Let's see. Statistically, you are more likely to get shot if you have a gun in the house.  Someone brought a gun into the house. A person living in that house got shot.

Yup. The math works.
2014-02-28 03:25:59 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: I reference to the idea that a gun is always loaded, it's story time...

Years ago, my father in law died.  While cleaning out his house, my wife found a small gun under his pillow.  I told everyone to leave the room, locked myself in the bathroom, and carefully opened up the gun.  It had a single short-shot .22 in the chamber.  It was loaded.

So I took out the bullet, and made it a point to pack away the gun and the box of bullets in seperate places.

A few weeks ago, we decided to search the basement because neither my wife or I could remember where the hell we packed the thing away.  We found it in a locked briefcase in the basement.  So, I'm looking at the instruction booklet that came with it, and I was astonished to find out, it was NOT a single shot pistol after all.  It has a magazine in the handle.  Once I got that out, I found that the entire magazine was loaded.

In other words, even though I thought I unloaded it, I didn't actually completely.  And that's scary as hell.
I'm still a little baffled as to how this gun works as a semiautomatic, as the only way to discharge the spent shell is to open up the barrel.  (perhaps someone could explain that one.)

The point of the story is, the gun is ALWAYS loaded.  Never assume otherwise.


It's a Beretta Jetfire, one of the few semi-autos that can be unloaded by tipping up the barrel. That's not the only way to discharge the spent shell; the action pulls back when it's fired and allows the shell to eject.

Looks like this when it's open, right?

www.berettacollection.com
2014-02-28 03:24:27 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: I reference to the idea that a gun is always loaded, it's story time...

Years ago, my father in law died.  While cleaning out his house, my wife found a small gun under his pillow.  I told everyone to leave the room, locked myself in the bathroom, and carefully opened up the gun.  It had a single short-shot .22 in the chamber.  It was loaded.

So I took out the bullet, and made it a point to pack away the gun and the box of bullets in seperate places.

A few weeks ago, we decided to search the basement because neither my wife or I could remember where the hell we packed the thing away.  We found it in a locked briefcase in the basement.  So, I'm looking at the instruction booklet that came with it, and I was astonished to find out, it was NOT a single shot pistol after all.  It has a magazine in the handle.  Once I got that out, I found that the entire magazine was loaded.

In other words, even though I thought I unloaded it, I didn't actually completely.  And that's scary as hell.
I'm still a little baffled as to how this gun works as a semiautomatic, as the only way to discharge the spent shell is to open up the barrel.  (perhaps someone could explain that one.)

The point of the story is, the gun is ALWAYS loaded.  Never assume otherwise.


OMG. Why did you not call the bomb squad?
2014-02-28 03:19:21 PM  
1 votes:

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


Just in case you aren't trolling....

ALWAYS treat a firearm as if it's loaded
NEVER point it at something you aren't willing to destroy
NEVER put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to shoot
ALWAYS be sure of your target and what's beyond it.

There is no reason for a mechanical safety under these circumstances.  In fact most if not all revolvers have no safety to speak of .
2014-02-28 03:19:20 PM  
1 votes:
Look, no matter what side of the gun debate you are on, can we all laugh at this idiot?
2014-02-28 03:18:00 PM  
1 votes:
I've been on the fence when it comes to gun ownership. I want one but will not get one until I can get some training.

One thing I've learned is that guns don't fire themselves. Fingers resting on triggers fir the guns.content.artofmanliness.com

Even then, most guns require a deliberate amount of pressure on the trigger. Like: pull..... keep pulling..pull some more.. BANG!
2014-02-28 03:12:46 PM  
1 votes:
The only thing that can stop a good mom with a gun is a good kid with a gun.  No wait, you can get good look at a t-bone by sticking a gun up your mom's vagina, no that isn't right either.
2014-02-28 03:11:33 PM  
1 votes:

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


Police departments who primarily use Glock model handguns would likely issue strong objections.
2014-02-28 03:10:24 PM  
1 votes:

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


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2014-02-28 03:10:24 PM  
1 votes:

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


You think somebody too stupid to keep their finger off the trigger is going to remember to engage a manual safety?
2014-02-28 03:09:03 PM  
1 votes:
Remember folks, all people who buy guns are responsible and law abiding citizens who do not need training, or really, anything other than a shadow of sanity and a pulse.
2014-02-28 03:05:45 PM  
1 votes:
Turns out there's home video of the event (starts at 1:15).
2014-02-28 03:03:07 PM  
1 votes:
A woman was transported to a hospital after her son's gun accidentally went off and shot her.

I like how he didn't accidentally shoot her the gun did...
2014-02-28 02:57:14 PM  
1 votes:
No true responsible gun owner...
 
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