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2014-02-28 01:52:01 PM  
A little detail on just how the gun decided to fire on its own would have been nice.  I mean, there are tens of millions of pistol owners in this country that might want to be on the look out for this poltergeist behavior.

Also: from the comments "a gunshot to the leg can put you in critical condition?"

Yeah, dummy, they're callled "femoral arteries."
 
2014-02-28 01:56:10 PM  
I seem to recall a rule about not pointing a weapon at something unless you want a hole in it. Although with these magic poltergeist weapons, all the rules are right out the window.
 
2014-02-28 02:02:20 PM  

luniz5monody: I seem to recall a rule about not pointing a weapon at something unless you want a hole in it. Although with these magic poltergeist weapons, all the rules are right out the window.


Rule #1 of Poltergeist Gun Safety: do what the gun says or ELSE
 
2014-02-28 02:15:23 PM  

factoryconnection: luniz5monody: I seem to recall a rule about not pointing a weapon at something unless you want a hole in it. Although with these magic poltergeist weapons, all the rules are right out the window.

Rule #1 of Poltergeist Gun Safety: do what the gun says or ELSE


It is getting tiring....

When I come home from work, I have to put on the entire set of body armor before I get through the front door. I can't trust that all my weapons are still in the safe in the basement. If they have truly gone full poltergeist, I can't know if they've let themselves out of the safe or not. They could have made it out and are waiting for me to walk through that door. I will not take that chance. The body armor stays on until I leave for work the next morning.
 
2014-02-28 02:17:22 PM  

luniz5monody: The body armor stays on until I leave for work the next morning.


That's not too bad during the winter, though.  Probably saves on heating bills.
 
2014-02-28 02:19:48 PM  

factoryconnection: luniz5monody: The body armor stays on until I leave for work the next morning.

That's not too bad during the winter, though.  Probably saves on heating bills.


This is true...it has been a nasty Iowa winter. It has strained the relationship with the wife, but her body armor is mossy oak pink, and she likes it. Better to be safe than sorry.
 
2014-02-28 02:45:36 PM  

luniz5monody: This is true...it has been a nasty Iowa winter. It has strained the relationship with the wife, but her body armor is mossy oak pink, and she likes it. Better to be safe than sorry.


And at least, unlike Spanx, body armor isn't made of LIES.
 
2014-02-28 02:57:14 PM  
No true responsible gun owner...
 
2014-02-28 02:58:07 PM  

factoryconnection: A little detail on just how the gun decided to fire on its own would have been nice.  I mean, there are tens of millions of pistol owners in this country that might want to be on the look out for this poltergeist behavior.

Also: from the comments "a gunshot to the leg can put you in critical condition?"

Yeah, dummy, they're callled "femoral arteries."


It gets trotted out here from time to time.

See all the morans calling for cops to stop shooting center mass.
 
2014-02-28 02:59:38 PM  
If only the woman had had her own gun, this wouldn't have happened.
 
2014-02-28 03:00:45 PM  
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2014-02-28 03:01:34 PM  
I hope they have to pay for the transport.
 
2014-02-28 03:02:20 PM  
I shot my mom in Dayton just to watch her fly.
 
2014-02-28 03:03:07 PM  
A woman was transported to a hospital after her son's gun accidentally went off and shot her.

I like how he didn't accidentally shoot her the gun did...
 
2014-02-28 03:03:56 PM  
From what son?  You didn't finish your sentence.  What does it protect us from?  Idiots?  Is the gun supposed to protect us from idiots?  Good jerb gun.
 
2014-02-28 03:04:45 PM  

H31N0US: I hope they have to pay for the transport.


yeah, god forbid people use the emergency services their taxes pay for.
 
2014-02-28 03:05:45 PM  
Turns out there's home video of the event (starts at 1:15).
 
2014-02-28 03:06:00 PM  
I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.
 
2014-02-28 03:09:03 PM  
Remember folks, all people who buy guns are responsible and law abiding citizens who do not need training, or really, anything other than a shadow of sanity and a pulse.
 
2014-02-28 03:10:24 PM  

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


You think somebody too stupid to keep their finger off the trigger is going to remember to engage a manual safety?
 
2014-02-28 03:10:24 PM  

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


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2014-02-28 03:11:33 PM  

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


Police departments who primarily use Glock model handguns would likely issue strong objections.
 
2014-02-28 03:11:55 PM  

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


Not sure if serious...
 
2014-02-28 03:12:46 PM  
The only thing that can stop a good mom with a gun is a good kid with a gun.  No wait, you can get good look at a t-bone by sticking a gun up your mom's vagina, no that isn't right either.
 
2014-02-28 03:12:49 PM  
headline could have been more effective, there was no "dad" in the story.
 
2014-02-28 03:12:57 PM  
There are NO accidents if a gun is discharged.

Absolutely none. It's total negligence and incompetence.
 
2014-02-28 03:13:07 PM  

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


The safety seems like an excellent feature, however...

I wonder as to whether it actually increases or decreases safety. I can elaborate on this further if it's not clear, but I get the distinct impression that all having a safety does is add one more thing for the idiot-that-shouldn't-have-a-gun-to-begin-with to forget

disclosure: I have lots of guns, none of my pistols have safeties (2x glocks and a s&w highway patrolman), all my rifles/AR/shotties do

further disclosure: None of any of them have ever become haunted and shot innocent people/family members unexpectedly
 
2014-02-28 03:13:36 PM  
Wow. There are a LOT of these guns accidentally firing nowadays. Who knew they would just go off by themselves so frequently?
 
2014-02-28 03:13:56 PM  

Bane of Broone: Wow. There are a LOT of these guns accidentally firing nowadays. Who knew they would just go off by themselves so frequently?


There are NO accidents if a gun is discharged.

Absolutely none. It's total negligence and incompetence.
 
2014-02-28 03:14:36 PM  
Hey, maybe the last word of that sentence was supposed to be 'mother', then things went according to plan and we wouldn't be having this little argument, now would we?
 
2014-02-28 03:14:39 PM  

jbuist: Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.

You think somebody too stupid to keep their finger off the trigger is going to remember to engage a manual safety?


I think it makes it worse. I think it makes him less likely to follow other safe practices. Now this same idiot will be keeping his finger on the trigger and doing fun whacky shiat like pointing it at the people he shows it to.

Ok, well, this idiot already does that apparently, but you know he wouldn't be better about it with the safety. I've seen too many people make idiotic moves with guns and follow it up with "don't worry, the safety is on".  Right because you totally offered the room to check for the safety prior to flagging us all.
 
2014-02-28 03:14:49 PM  
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Thanks, helpful image!
 
2014-02-28 03:15:06 PM  

Bane of Broone: Wow. There are a LOT of these guns accidentally firing nowadays. Who knew they would just go off by themselves so frequently?


The industry claims a near perfect safety record, and our benevolent leaders have arranged that they cannot be sued. Kind of sad for the victims of these poorly constructed weapons.
 
2014-02-28 03:15:47 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Bane of Broone: Wow. There are a LOT of these guns accidentally firing nowadays. Who knew they would just go off by themselves so frequently?

The industry claims a near perfect safety record, and our benevolent leaders have arranged that they cannot be sued. Kind of sad for the victims of these poorly constructed weapons.


Please cite legislation prohibiting lawsuits against firearm manufacturers.
 
2014-02-28 03:16:34 PM  
media.graytvinc.com

Oh, look. A gun thread. I guess it's time to come on in and tell liberals how farked up they are because they don't have guns and don't get to experience things like this.

Also a good chance to let everybody know that I have fewer terrorists living around me because I have a gun.

If liberals only knew how to live. If they could only realize how awesome this shiat is.
 
2014-02-28 03:17:21 PM  

TrainingWheelsNeeded: headline could have been more effective, there was no "dad" in the story.


FTFA: "According to the Sergeant with the Lyon County Sheriff Dayton Substation, on Thursday, February 27, 2014, a young man was showing his new gun to his father."

I think you need reading comprehension classes in addition to training wheels.
 
2014-02-28 03:18:00 PM  
I've been on the fence when it comes to gun ownership. I want one but will not get one until I can get some training.

One thing I've learned is that guns don't fire themselves. Fingers resting on triggers fir the guns.content.artofmanliness.com

Even then, most guns require a deliberate amount of pressure on the trigger. Like: pull..... keep pulling..pull some more.. BANG!
 
2014-02-28 03:19:12 PM  

fisker: Oh, look. A gun thread. I guess it's time to come on in and tell liberals how farked up they are because they don't have guns and don't get to experience things like this.


This might be a shock and terrifying thought to you, but many of those liberals are gun owners themselves, and some of us even carry concealed. :)
 
2014-02-28 03:19:20 PM  
Look, no matter what side of the gun debate you are on, can we all laugh at this idiot?
 
2014-02-28 03:19:21 PM  

Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.


Just in case you aren't trolling....

ALWAYS treat a firearm as if it's loaded
NEVER point it at something you aren't willing to destroy
NEVER put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to shoot
ALWAYS be sure of your target and what's beyond it.

There is no reason for a mechanical safety under these circumstances.  In fact most if not all revolvers have no safety to speak of .
 
2014-02-28 03:19:40 PM  
Only 99,999 more to go before we hit the quota of gun-shot injuries for the year.

GO USA!
 
2014-02-28 03:19:48 PM  
I reference to the idea that a gun is always loaded, it's story time...

Years ago, my father in law died.  While cleaning out his house, my wife found a small gun under his pillow.  I told everyone to leave the room, locked myself in the bathroom, and carefully opened up the gun.  It had a single short-shot .22 in the chamber.  It was loaded.

So I took out the bullet, and made it a point to pack away the gun and the box of bullets in seperate places.

A few weeks ago, we decided to search the basement because neither my wife or I could remember where the hell we packed the thing away.  We found it in a locked briefcase in the basement.  So, I'm looking at the instruction booklet that came with it, and I was astonished to find out, it was NOT a single shot pistol after all.  It has a magazine in the handle.  Once I got that out, I found that the entire magazine was loaded.

In other words, even though I thought I unloaded it, I didn't actually completely.  And that's scary as hell.
I'm still a little baffled as to how this gun works as a semiautomatic, as the only way to discharge the spent shell is to open up the barrel.  (perhaps someone could explain that one.)

The point of the story is, the gun is ALWAYS loaded.  Never assume otherwise.
 
2014-02-28 03:21:08 PM  

hardinparamedic: There are NO accidents if a gun is discharged.

Absolutely none. It's total negligence and incompetence.


By the same logic, there are no accidents while driving, standing on ladders, or working high steel. There are only negligence and incompetence of someone somewhere being at fault. You drove too fast or paid too little attention to swerve, you had the ladder in a flimsy position, and you weren't careful enough walking the beams. Heck, look at the old factory lines and all the people missing various bits of themselves. All of those accidents were actually the result of operator error.

I get the point, that we should place blame on various parties, but the term accident doesn't prevent the placing of blame. At the same time, the switching over to the phrase negligent discharge, imo, leads too many people to view the accidents of others and think to themselves "good thing I'm not like those folks, that could never happen to me, and hasn't because I'm not negligent". Plus, humans are a pretty fallible lot even when they all do try to follow best practices (and they should, of course).  Somebody, somewhere, even in the best world I can imagine, is going to let something slip their mind and have a little fark up.

So I guess what I'm saying is, I see no advantage to the terminology change, and think it comes with more potential downside than upside.
 
2014-02-28 03:21:47 PM  

BigLoser: Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.

Not sure if serious...


Yes, I'm serious.  What's your problem?
 
2014-02-28 03:21:59 PM  
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Careflight arrived on scene around 3:40 p.m., according to an official with Careflight.
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2014-02-28 03:23:55 PM  

Smackledorfer: So I guess what I'm saying is, I see no advantage to the terminology change, and think it comes with more potential downside than upside.


The difference is that an accident in a vehicle only has, at best, 50% of the situation in your own control. So that party can be involved in an incident that is genuinely not their fault.

That gun is 100% under your control. You have the conscious thought to place your finger on the trigger. You have the conscious thought of where to point that weapon, whether it's loaded, and whether any of this is done in a manner that endangers another human being.

It is 100% your choice to pull the trigger. So yes, negligence is a great descriptor for any "accidental" shooting. Unless there is some form of mechanical failure of the weapon's firing pin or assembly itself, it is not an accident.
 
2014-02-28 03:24:27 PM  
Two years ago my dad comes home with a gun strapped to his hip. My heart leaps into my throat and I fall back on the couch in shock.

I say, "Dad ...  What the HELL?!!!"
He says, "I thought I should start carrying. She's a Sig P229, wanna hold her?"

"Dad, you've been dead since 2007!"

Then he let out a high-pitched scream, became a translucent mist and vanished ...  leaving behind the scent of almond extract.
 
2014-02-28 03:24:27 PM  

durbnpoisn: I reference to the idea that a gun is always loaded, it's story time...

Years ago, my father in law died.  While cleaning out his house, my wife found a small gun under his pillow.  I told everyone to leave the room, locked myself in the bathroom, and carefully opened up the gun.  It had a single short-shot .22 in the chamber.  It was loaded.

So I took out the bullet, and made it a point to pack away the gun and the box of bullets in seperate places.

A few weeks ago, we decided to search the basement because neither my wife or I could remember where the hell we packed the thing away.  We found it in a locked briefcase in the basement.  So, I'm looking at the instruction booklet that came with it, and I was astonished to find out, it was NOT a single shot pistol after all.  It has a magazine in the handle.  Once I got that out, I found that the entire magazine was loaded.

In other words, even though I thought I unloaded it, I didn't actually completely.  And that's scary as hell.
I'm still a little baffled as to how this gun works as a semiautomatic, as the only way to discharge the spent shell is to open up the barrel.  (perhaps someone could explain that one.)

The point of the story is, the gun is ALWAYS loaded.  Never assume otherwise.


OMG. Why did you not call the bomb squad?
 
2014-02-28 03:25:37 PM  

AngryDragon: Aquapope: I found out from a gun thread a week or two ago that most pistols don't have safeties.  Would that be a hard thing to require on new pistols?  How could the NRA have a freakout over that?  I'm sure they would, but I'm not sure how their raccoon-nest thinking would come up with outrage.

Just in case you aren't trolling....

ALWAYS treat a firearm as if it's loaded
NEVER point it at something you aren't willing to destroy
NEVER put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to shoot
ALWAYS be sure of your target and what's beyond it.

There is no reason for a mechanical safety under these circumstances.  In fact most if not all revolvers have no safety to speak of .


Nope, not trolling.  Sure, if the above 4 points are followed, no problems.  But there are problems, so I simply wondered if having an extra option might not be some small help.  If it's too big of a deal to keep the safety on when the gun isn't in use, leave it the fark off.  I'm not a gun owner - I didn't know there was a big hatred of safeties among gun folks.
 
2014-02-28 03:25:59 PM  

durbnpoisn: I reference to the idea that a gun is always loaded, it's story time...

Years ago, my father in law died.  While cleaning out his house, my wife found a small gun under his pillow.  I told everyone to leave the room, locked myself in the bathroom, and carefully opened up the gun.  It had a single short-shot .22 in the chamber.  It was loaded.

So I took out the bullet, and made it a point to pack away the gun and the box of bullets in seperate places.

A few weeks ago, we decided to search the basement because neither my wife or I could remember where the hell we packed the thing away.  We found it in a locked briefcase in the basement.  So, I'm looking at the instruction booklet that came with it, and I was astonished to find out, it was NOT a single shot pistol after all.  It has a magazine in the handle.  Once I got that out, I found that the entire magazine was loaded.

In other words, even though I thought I unloaded it, I didn't actually completely.  And that's scary as hell.
I'm still a little baffled as to how this gun works as a semiautomatic, as the only way to discharge the spent shell is to open up the barrel.  (perhaps someone could explain that one.)

The point of the story is, the gun is ALWAYS loaded.  Never assume otherwise.


It's a Beretta Jetfire, one of the few semi-autos that can be unloaded by tipping up the barrel. That's not the only way to discharge the spent shell; the action pulls back when it's fired and allows the shell to eject.

Looks like this when it's open, right?

www.berettacollection.com
 
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