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(Oregon Live)   Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption   (oregonlive.com) divider line 143
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2014-02-28 01:42:29 PM
32 votes:
It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.
2014-02-28 02:29:25 PM
6 votes:

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.
2014-02-28 04:12:51 PM
5 votes:

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


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2014-02-28 02:32:10 PM
5 votes:

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


Let's see, X having an abortion does not affect Y in anyway whatsoever. X not having vaccination directly affects Y.

I agree that watching a video to have a waiver is dumb. Just like you have to have insurance to drive your car on public road, you should be required to have vaccination to walk on public road. There shouldn't be any waiver.
2014-02-28 02:25:15 PM
5 votes:
Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.
2014-02-28 05:45:10 PM
4 votes:
Not-so-CSB:

Bad: 2 years ago, my SIL came down with whooping cough.
Really bad: She didn't go see a doctor until she'd been coughing for two months.
Really really bad: She continued to go to work while sick, even after she'd been diagnosed and was told by her doctor to stay home for a week.
"Jesus H. Christ tap dancing on a cracker!!" bad: She's an elementary school principal at a public school in a major metropolitan area.
"Someone needs to beat you with a lead pipe" bad: She didn't understand until I explained it to her in easy-enough-for-a-two-year-old-to-understand terms that she posed a significant public health risk ("It's just a cough...").

Naturally, she's an anti-vaxxer.

/CSB
2014-02-28 03:35:42 PM
4 votes:

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Because not everybody who gets vaccinated becomes immune.  The unvaccinated can still pass the disease to the vaccinated.
2014-02-28 02:43:08 PM
4 votes:

Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.



Done in one.

My kid was exposed to whooping cough at daycare (before he was allowed to get the vaccine) because there are too many farktards out there listening to Jenny McCarthy.

Vaccines should be mandatory, at least to be allowed to attend public schools and daycares.
2014-02-28 02:42:14 PM
4 votes:
imgick.oregonlive.com

Godammit, there is NO REASON to let your kid be that farking scared of the whole farking process. Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time. As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it. I've raised 3 kids this way, and while they've left unhappy, and a couple of time close to tears, they've NEVER tried to jump out of their skin scared to death like this, as an added bonus, my daughter has been offering to hold YOUR hand if she thinks that you're going through something that is going to hurt you since she's been 3...

Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.
2014-02-28 02:28:43 PM
4 votes:
I have a better idea, force them to live in a 3rd world country with other kids who do not get vaccinated as well, for a month.

/This thing pisses me off so god damned much
2014-02-28 02:28:34 PM
4 votes:

Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.


Riiiiight.  There certainly aren't any hippy dippy all natural liberal idiots against putting government mandated poisons in their kids.
2014-02-28 02:27:55 PM
4 votes:
Oh and one more thing: Reproduction licenses - it's time.
2014-02-28 02:25:07 PM
4 votes:

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.
2014-02-28 01:58:02 PM
4 votes:
This is the sort of thing that is easily and simply covered with my 'too stupid to live' constitutional amendment.
2014-02-28 01:53:15 PM
4 votes:
Done in one. Well put.
2014-02-28 05:51:50 PM
3 votes:

jigger: This is obviously very important so why trifle with these half measures?


Because the constitution protects your freedom* to choose accept or decline certain medical procedures without having random things forcibly jammed into your body by jackbooted government thugs.

*This freedom is no longer offered in Republican-controlled states.
2014-02-28 05:14:12 PM
3 votes:

RenownedCurator: The law never said it had to be a transvaginal ultrasound -- someone took the idea that "12 weeks and under means a transvaginal ultrasound is required" and ran with it.



Actually, the original bill did mandate transvaginal ultrasounds when necessary, it was only after the media, including Fox News and other Republican-leaning outlets, "ran with it" that they passed an amendment stating that transvaginal ultrasound would be done only with consent, and the final text was limited to abdominal ultrasounds alone.
Ant
2014-02-28 03:49:19 PM
3 votes:

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


For the millionth time, this is the problem:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
2014-02-28 03:25:04 PM
3 votes:

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.


In your case the vaccine may well have caused retardation.
Ant
2014-02-28 03:21:47 PM
3 votes:
No religious exemptions should be allowed. Only valid medical issues should be considered a good reason not to vaccinate.
2014-02-28 03:11:54 PM
3 votes:

codenamewizard: I tried to say this before and everyone got all wiggy.  (again -  My kid gets all his shots).  All I'm saying is that the anti-vaccine crew makes compelling videos.  I'm not saying they are right....just I can understand how people can be swayed after watching them.  Especially if they don't know the subject.

I've heard plenty of good arguments to vaccinate from people on this site.  Perhaps that should be put into a compelling "Vaccinate your kid - video".

Saying the anti-vaccine crew are idiots and their crotch-fruit should be put in iron lungs, is funny....but doesn't have the same weight as.....vaccines don't have mercury and even if they did it would be less than you get in a tuna fish sandwich.  The same trace metals people say are in vaccines are in far greater numbers in multivitamins.  Formaldehyde is used to kill bacteria and is also found in potato chips.....well you get the idea, stuff like that.

just say'n


Done that, in person.

Doesn't get through.

Now, having the parent and child watch it...

"Mommy, why do you want me to get sick???"
2014-02-28 03:09:30 PM
3 votes:

MrScruffles: Is it just me or does this thread have a lot of "vavcination good bc hurrrrr" and "vaccinationbad bc of durrrr"? I mean I know this is fark but the herpa derp levels seem high today.


No. You see two sides that are passionate about their strance, but that's really the only similarity. One side has facts and the other has "muh freedoms" and "watching a video = transvaginal ultrasound"
2014-02-28 03:08:46 PM
3 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.


Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though
2014-02-28 02:59:32 PM
3 votes:
mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,


I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.
2014-02-28 02:56:41 PM
3 votes:
I wonder what the anti-vaxxers would do if a vaccination against autism was to be developed...
2014-02-28 02:39:55 PM
3 votes:

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


If a child gets pregnant, it is definitely healthy for her to get an abortion.
2014-02-28 02:39:22 PM
3 votes:

Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.


By which you mean "herd immunity" effects don't work unless enough people in the population get vaccinated. The vaccines will still work for you, but, unless most of the rest of the population doesn't also get vaccinated, it won't help people that would like to get vaccinated but can't.
2014-02-28 02:38:10 PM
3 votes:

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


As someone who does think life begins at conception and doesn't like abortion, I'll tell you how it's different. You don't put my life in danger by getting an abortion.
2014-02-28 02:35:09 PM
3 votes:

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.
2014-02-28 06:06:04 PM
2 votes:

doloresonthedottedline: ///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though


A few years ago friend of mine had an abortion after her fetus was diagnosed with some pretty severe deformities from a random genetic mutation not screened for in an earlier amnio. Part of the process of getting government approval involved watching an online video. The sucky part was, here she was with a horribly deformed fetus, that if it lived would never be normal and most probably life would be painful and short, and she was forced by law to watch a video about normal childhood development (up through teens) ie. "this is what your child will be doing at age 12 years old if you allow it to live!"
2014-02-28 05:31:20 PM
2 votes:

haolegirl: I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least!


http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/12/woman-sues-hospital-claimin g- vaginal-ultrasound-felt-like-rape/
2014-02-28 05:22:30 PM
2 votes:

tlars699: HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!

Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.


Um...wtf are you talking about??? I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least! A PAP smear is worse imo.
2014-02-28 05:20:57 PM
2 votes:

Agent Nick Fury: tlars699: Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.

We were forced to watch that as part of our Driver's Education course. I say your point is invalidated.

You got me there.

With so many schools teaching driver's education this should no longer be a problem.


Too bad alcohol impairs decisions.  "I'm good to drive" when they absolutely are not, and don't care if they are not, from someone who is drunk is far too common of a statement.
2014-02-28 05:19:18 PM
2 votes:

HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!


Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.
2014-02-28 05:09:07 PM
2 votes:

Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.


We already have PSAs and constant reminders that drunk driving kills.  It's saturated us.  The government already does that, and MADD and other orgs pick up the slack when they feel the government hasn't done its job.  We have ads on the radio reminding people police will be "cracking down" around holidays and other major events.

I haven't seen a similar push for vaccinations, like ever.

It wasn't until a couple years after I had kids (mine are 9 and 7 now) that I even heard there were people that choose not to vaccinate their children.  Even now, the concept still boggles my mind.

Vaccination is one of the greatest achievements in medicine, so effective in fact, that we have many parents wondering why they are still necessary.
2014-02-28 04:49:37 PM
2 votes:

o'really: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

My cousin's baby with a heart transplant can't get live vaccines.

Herd immunity protects her.

Unless morans don't vaccinate their kids.


There is a much more common example:  Pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine is recommended for a certain age but it can kill children younger than that age, including newborns.  The only way to protect newborns from whooping cough is to make sure that everyone they come into contact with has been vaccinated.
2014-02-28 04:42:50 PM
2 votes:

Diogenes: Typical libs. You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.  Hypocrites, the lot of you.


I am totally fine with women getting abortions being forced to listen to their doctors explain the consequences of an abortion (or any other surgical procedure) that they might be considering.   Every doctor should always fully inform their patients about the effects and side effects of an operation and the possible things that could go wrong during the procedure.

I'm not fine with forced ultrasounds.  That isn't needed to understand the consequences of an abortion.

I'm not fine with people not immunizing their children.   If they choose not to, I believe it's fine for a school to require the parents to become educated on the subject before they sign a waiver.
2014-02-28 04:35:30 PM
2 votes:

Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?


So your argument is that we shouldn't vaccinate kids because vaccines are too effective?
2014-02-28 04:17:07 PM
2 votes:

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


My cousin's baby with a heart transplant can't get live vaccines.

Herd immunity protects her.

Unless morans don't vaccinate their kids.
2014-02-28 04:14:16 PM
2 votes:
I am dumber for having read 99% of these comments, Fark. Shame on you.

/vaccinate your damn children
2014-02-28 04:11:52 PM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.

Actually there are more hippy dippy liberal types that don't vaccinate (because of the Big Pharma conspiracy and the autism bullshiat that Dr. Mercola pushes) than conservatives. There are some conservative types, too, but the left wing derps outweigh the right wing derps in this case


Yeah, citation farking needed.  It isn't liberals who have spent the last 50 years waging an open war on science.
2014-02-28 04:07:20 PM
2 votes:
This is why people should be vaccinated. It isn't all about you.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/100-cancer-patients-may-have-bee n- exposed-measles/ndsPm/
2014-02-28 03:39:47 PM
2 votes:

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.

In your case the vaccine may well have caused retardation.

Weak.


Says the guy who thinks that herd immunity is passed on 'thrucontact' to unvaccinated people and who doesn't understand that you need to vaccinate everyone so as not to allow the pathogen to evolve.

You'll understand that we're just going to point at you and laugh about this.
2014-02-28 03:38:33 PM
2 votes:

Diogenes: Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


Well, if my child got pregnant I would consider abortion to be a healthy alternative to forcing her too young body to endure a pregnancy.  Are you some sort of monster?
2014-02-28 03:34:49 PM
2 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Apparently it has had some effect.

What would be better is simply not allowing non-medical waivers, period.

Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?


Haven't you noticed the periodic outbreaks of diseases that should be stopped in their tracks by vaccination?
2014-02-28 03:33:15 PM
2 votes:

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.


Dude; Viruses and bacteria change and adapt and, dare I say it?, EVOLVE over time.
In order to keep people from getting polio, you have to have a greater than half percentage(don't know exact #') to prevent the disease transferring around enough to mutate so that it could kill anybody, including those previously vaccinated.
 It's still Polio- Just a different breed of Polio.

Like the flu- you need a new vaccine every year, because it is so adaptable.
2014-02-28 03:28:07 PM
2 votes:

Agent Nick Fury: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?

No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

It's the way we roll.


At some point parents have to take responsibility for their children.

In NA polio epidemics happened so long ago that people have forgotten that whole *cities* were shut down because of them.
2014-02-28 03:16:34 PM
2 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.

By which you mean "herd immunity" effects don't work unless enough people in the population get vaccinated. The vaccines will still work for you, but, unless most of the rest of the population doesn't also get vaccinated, it won't help people that would like to get vaccinated but can't.


No. NO!!! WRONG!!!!

Herd immunity also protects those who get the vaccination from getting a mutated version back from someone else who had the original disease, and transferred it to five other people while infectious.
2014-02-28 03:07:41 PM
2 votes:

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.


One is forced penetration via legislation and the other is watching a video?

i.imgur.com

I don't agree with the video but trying to compare the situations is ignorant at best.
2014-02-28 03:06:45 PM
2 votes:

meat0918: PJ-: This is just a cash move, and very little to do with informing people about vaccines.  From my understanding, insurance companies don't want to pay out doctors in a similar fashion to having a 'quit smoking' conversation.  Basically, if a doctor asks you if you smoke, then tells you that you should quit, they get a small payment.  Now, insurance companies don't want to pay a doctor for advising a patients parents the benefits of being vaccinated.

This way, by making a patient watch a video, the people who created the video pay the doctor a small amount of cash for showing the video, while racking in big bucks from hospitals because they paid X amount of dollars to obtain said video.

The video is online.  You never have to go to the doctor or pay money.


And thinking of it, there will soon be a lot of antivax sites that have the certificate that says you watched it available for printing.
2014-02-28 03:04:40 PM
2 votes:

PJ-: This is just a cash move, and very little to do with informing people about vaccines.  From my understanding, insurance companies don't want to pay out doctors in a similar fashion to having a 'quit smoking' conversation.  Basically, if a doctor asks you if you smoke, then tells you that you should quit, they get a small payment.  Now, insurance companies don't want to pay a doctor for advising a patients parents the benefits of being vaccinated.

This way, by making a patient watch a video, the people who created the video pay the doctor a small amount of cash for showing the video, while racking in big bucks from hospitals because they paid X amount of dollars to obtain said video.


The video is online.  You never have to go to the doctor or pay money.
2014-02-28 02:55:01 PM
2 votes:

Mikey1969: Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.


Jesus. Seriously.

I stepped on a piece of a Corona bottle last June, and needed 6 stitches in the bottom of my foot. I didn't realize this at the time, but under that thick skin on your sole are roughly the same amount of nerves as your palm. I get to a clinic, and they're about to give me the topical anesthetic so they can sew me up. The doc says "This'll hurt, you ready?" and then they stab me.

Holy Cthulu mother of Baphomet and sister to Mary, Zeus, and Dick Cheney, that farking hurt more than stepping on the glass did. But I got stitched up, and it's healed nicely.

Medicine sometimes hurts. You know what hurts more? Sepsis.
2014-02-28 02:52:49 PM
2 votes:
Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????
2014-02-28 02:51:11 PM
2 votes:

Shazam999: We need a nice raging polio epidemic. Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.


Wish granted.
2014-02-28 02:50:54 PM
2 votes:

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Shots for some of these diseases are not able to be given to babies/ toddlers until they are a year old and up to 7 years for some. During that time, they are susceptible to contracting these hellacious diseases because some crazed parent who read something in the internet (yes I see the irony) decided that vaccinations are evil because __(fill in the blank)__

/ But, you knew that... right?
// Did I just get trolled??
2014-02-28 02:39:53 PM
2 votes:

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


goias24horas.com.br
2014-02-28 02:38:49 PM
2 votes:

fennix: Forcing people to watch movies to make healthcare decisions is wrong even if they are making bad decisions with their children's lives. Pretty soon we'll go in for an annual checkup and watch a 60 minute video on weight loss, then heart disease, then exercise, then flu vaccinations. Nope. Not interested.


No. Not really.  But thanks for playing.
2014-02-28 02:36:25 PM
2 votes:

D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.


Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.
2014-02-28 02:36:11 PM
2 votes:

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.
2014-02-28 02:35:29 PM
2 votes:

mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?
2014-02-28 02:35:02 PM
2 votes:

Chariset: sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.

Pass the raw milk.


Yes please.

Let me just put it on the stove quick and boil off the bacteria in it.
2014-02-28 02:35:00 PM
2 votes:

Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.


Actually there are more hippy dippy liberal types that don't vaccinate (because of the Big Pharma conspiracy and the autism bullshiat that Dr. Mercola pushes) than conservatives. There are some conservative types, too, but the left wing derps outweigh the right wing derps in this case
2014-02-28 02:31:06 PM
2 votes:
I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.
2014-02-28 02:23:30 PM
2 votes:
How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.
2014-02-28 02:21:35 PM
2 votes:
Typical libs.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.
2014-03-01 12:38:07 AM
1 votes:

Ficoce: udhq: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?

So your argument is that we shouldn't vaccinate kids because vaccines are too effective?

No, actually my argument is the facts show the way it was done before seems to work. After living here 50 years I seem to recall parents getting their kid inoculated without government involvement. Those that didn't? Well, where are the results of that? I look to the CDC, the people that keep track of this type of thing. Nothing odd there. No kids dying in the streets and stats look about the same everywhere within a few points.

So, where did did this hate come from toward people, yet to be named, who supposedly don't vaccinate their kids? And where did all this love for vaccinations come from? Vaccinations that sometimes don't work? And many times cause side effects that other nameless people say are negligible?

I might point to one heartfelt blog from someone that claimed to be a hippies kid; not being vaccinated that screwed everything about their life up, went viral, and touched the happy bits of people everywhere.

Now we have legislation, based not on need or common sense, but emotion. Bet if I dig deep enough I would find a Pharma lobby with fingers in the bill, internet propaganda, and the resulting hate - over nothing.

Nobody has anything to counter my point - other than attack.

That's my argument and  point.


I think the reason people are so emotional about it is because anti-vaxxers are using pseudo-science to justify a major public health risk that is causing actual harm.

The rates of completely preventable illnesses- ones that were virtually unheard of in recent decades- have gone significantly up.

No, we are not in full-on pandemic...yet. If people continue to avoid getting vaccines, there is no question, it will happen. And it will be ugly.

While i might have had sympathy with your complaint that all you are getting is attacked- if that were in fact the case.

But all I've seen so far is people being exceptionally patient with you. I have seen you use attacks, obfuscation, putting words in other peoples mouths.

I'm not sure how to say it in simpler terms. It seems like many anti-vaxxers are resistant to the basics of reason and logic.
2014-03-01 12:32:07 AM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


Are you seriously trying to walk down this road or are you just trolling?

Because 10/10 if the latter, f*ck off if the former.
2014-02-28 08:25:24 PM
1 votes:

RedVentrue: kiwimoogle84: RedVentrue: HotWingConspiracy: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.

Pro abortion people should be happy about anti vaxers. You obviously want to kill more kids right?

People who are pro- choice aren't necessarily pro abortion. I think elective abortions without a medical reason are a horrible thing to do, and I could never consider it, but I'm not going to tell someone else what's right for them.

That being said, they're apples and oranges.

By that reasoning; it's perfectly fine for parents to not vax their kids. Give 'em a choice?


Apples and oranges, I said. Abortions don't affect anyone but you and the kid you're aborting. Non-vaccinated kids affect society as a whole.
2014-02-28 07:56:40 PM
1 votes:
I'd like to add a quarantine provision to that law.  If after jumping through the hoops they still don't want to vaccinate, make it a requirement that they be placed under quarantine if they do contract a contagious disease.  That's what they used to do.
2014-02-28 06:35:31 PM
1 votes:

hagar129: Natural selection is being derailed.


An anti-vaxxer once me something like this (only I hope she totally misunderstood).  In 1998 she was a follower (Mormon) of some religious guy who railed against vaccines because they were  "making the population weaker". She didn't understand that his words would be would be true only in that children (but the "weak" ones!) would be killed or sterilized (or perhaps visibly crippled and therefore unattractive to the opposite sex and therefore reproducing at a reduced rate) by the diseases the vaccines protect against. Very Nazi. I think she still doesn't understand it.
2014-02-28 06:30:24 PM
1 votes:

RedVentrue: HotWingConspiracy: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.

Pro abortion people should be happy about anti vaxers. You obviously want to kill more kids right?


People who are pro- choice aren't necessarily pro abortion. I think elective abortions without a medical reason are a horrible thing to do, and I could never consider it, but I'm not going to tell someone else what's right for them.

That being said, they're apples and oranges.
2014-02-28 06:27:08 PM
1 votes:

MustangFive: Not-so-CSB:

Bad: 2 years ago, my SIL came down with whooping cough.
Really bad: She didn't go see a doctor until she'd been coughing for two months.
Really really bad: She continued to go to work while sick, even after she'd been diagnosed and was told by her doctor to stay home for a week.
"Jesus H. Christ tap dancing on a cracker!!" bad: She's an elementary school principal at a public school in a major metropolitan area.
"Someone needs to beat you with a lead pipe" bad: She didn't understand until I explained it to her in easy-enough-for-a-two-year-old-to-understand terms that she posed a significant public health risk ("It's just a cough...").

Naturally, she's an anti-vaxxer.

/CSB


That makes me want to strangle her. How many people did she infect at the school?
2014-02-28 06:02:03 PM
1 votes:

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.


Because anti-abortion tactics try and portray an unthinking bundle of cells as a conscious human being, and try to shame women who may not have the capacity to raise a child into thinking that they're murderers.

On the other hand, it might be a good idea to try and educate people on why vaccination is a good idea, for individuals and society as a whole.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

The problem is that the sides are medical science, and the uneducated.
2014-02-28 05:43:46 PM
1 votes:

katerbug72: To be fair, I say "ow" too when I get my flu shot.


I don't get the shots anymore.  Once I found out about the inhaler, I just wait for them to dispense with that.
2014-02-28 05:41:34 PM
1 votes:

tlars699: haolegirl: tlars699: HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!

Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.

Um...wtf are you talking about??? I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least! A PAP smear is worse imo.

Well, did you ever get yours done at an abortion clinic(me:once)? Do you have my vagina/cervix, or are connected to it in any periphery? No?
Any time I've had t.v. us, it sucks, I felt the clicks, it's in way too far "so they can get a better picture", and it's effin' freezing. Then again, most of my clinicians have been dudes.

And Pap smears are Awful. The q-tip feels like a fingernail scraping a microphone, with me as the microphone; not getting into the brushy swab. *shudder*


Yes, I did...not the one yesterday either. Have had several in just the last two years. This was my fourth blighted ovum. Idk who did yours, but find a new technician!
2014-02-28 05:28:19 PM
1 votes:

boyofd: nocturnal001: Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.


Done in one.

My kid was exposed to whooping cough at daycare (before he was allowed to get the vaccine) because there are too many farktards out there listening to Jenny McCarthy.

Vaccines should be mandatory, at least to be allowed to attend public schools and daycares.

My son got the Whooping Cough even though he had been vaccinated because vaccines are not 100% effective.  Luckily, it wasn't so bad, and he was healthy enough, that it didn't pose a great risk.  But he had one really crappy winter, exposed his family and friends to the disease, and we spent a lot of time (and money) at the doctor's office and pharmacy trying to figure out what the problem was and whether there was a medication that would work (because the doctor didn't considering Whooping Cough a real possibility).


Did you sue the parents who didn't vaccinate their sprog for the medical expenses?
2014-02-28 05:24:55 PM
1 votes:

Shazam999: Agent Nick Fury: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?

No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

It's the way we roll.

At some point parents have to take responsibility for their children.

In NA polio epidemics happened so long ago that people have forgotten that whole *cities* were shut down because of them.


My grandmother had polio, and given that, my mom was always Johnny-on-the-spot when it came to our vaccinations. Polio crippled my nana, so that she walked with a cane or a severe limp. My mom always said that if she could protect her children better than her mother was protected, she would. And consequently I feel the same way. My mom developed whooping cough when she was 5-6, and she said she remembered coughing so hard that the back of her throat was shredded, and there were times when she was sure she would die because she just couldn't catch her breath. How scary for a child.

I think that people whose families haven't been affected by communicable diseases are less apt to believe in vaccines. Those of us who have seen (or heard) of the tolls that things like rubella and whooping cough can take on a person are pretty damned eager to get protected.
2014-02-28 05:12:34 PM
1 votes:

Shazam999: Agent Nick Fury: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?

No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

It's the way we roll.

At some point parents have to take responsibility for their children.

In NA polio epidemics happened so long ago that people have forgotten that whole *cities* were shut down because of them.


I know someone whose body is bent and broken from Polio, hang on a sec, I'm gonna go ask him if he wishes he'd been vaccinated?
2014-02-28 05:09:26 PM
1 votes:

Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.


We were forced to watch that as part of our Driver's Education course. I say your point is invalidated.
2014-02-28 04:58:13 PM
1 votes:
Also, I live in Seattle, and there is a VERY, VERY high rate of non-vaccination at some of the schools near me -- I get worried that if a bad form of measles or something catches hold, a third of neighbourhood kids may go down with it and take any kids whose vaccinations didn't take, or who have medical issues, right down with them. I can assure you that my neighbourhood is in no way conservative, however it is chock-full of educated white people who have mistaken their expertise in their own fields for expertise in everything, including medicine. This really is not as simple as "righties are anti-science, therefore they're the non-vaxers" no matter how much you might want to think it is.
2014-02-28 04:25:49 PM
1 votes:

flondrix: Ant: Am I the only one whose school took us on a bus to be vaccinated? This was in the 70s in SLC Utah.

I was never taken off-site to be vaccinated.  They just marched the whole class to an office in the same school building and jabbed everybody, assembly-line style.


They did that at my kid's school with the swine flu in 2009, but you had to sign your child up for it.
2014-02-28 04:22:02 PM
1 votes:

Farty McPooPants: Wow, shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?

... blah blah blah...


I am not going to respond to anyone with a name like Farty McPooPants.  At least Diogenes makes you think there's some classical learning underneath the trolling.
2014-02-28 04:11:09 PM
1 votes:

Graffito: Diogenes: Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.

Well, if my child got pregnant I would consider abortion to be a healthy alternative to forcing her too young body to endure a pregnancy.  Are you some sort of monster?


Yes.  A fake troll in this case.
2014-02-28 04:03:09 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.


Of course, I can't find the article, but I read it, too.  It said that kids with no vaccinations are more likely to have educated white mothers, while kids who are undervaccinated are more likely to have poor non-white mothers.  Basically, poor mothers are less likely to get all of their children's vaccines because they are less likely to take their children to the doctor every year for a physical (ie: no time, no money and no insurance).  Educated white mothers just refuse the vaccines from day 1 because apparently, their education didn't teach them a damn thing about epidemics.

/educated white mother
//both of my kids are up-to-date of their vaccines
///fark idiots who think getting the chicken pox or mumps is 'no big deal'
////have a friend who is deaf in one ear because of chicken pox
Ant
2014-02-28 03:59:28 PM
1 votes:

flondrix: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Combine this law with making the vaccines available at the school nurse's office, and you have a tool useful against busy and/or lazy parents:  "Either you can provide the school with proof that you have watched this hour long video, or you can simply give us permission over the phone right now to have the school nurse stick little Bratlea with a needle, and forget about the whole thing."


Am I the only one whose school took us on a bus to be vaccinated? This was in the 70s in SLC Utah.
2014-02-28 03:47:33 PM
1 votes:

Civchic: Yeah.  My kid (4.5) is the biggest suck in the entire world.  Literally - a sliver in his foot will make you think someone cut the kid's toe off.  It's embarrassing.  ;)  But before he got his last set of needles, I told him exactly what the doctor would do, that it would hurt but only for a second, and it would help him stay healthy and get to go to school and other fun stuff.  He gritted his teeth, got his needle, and then bragged about how awesome he was all day.  I think the fear comes when you say stuff "Don't worry it doesn't hurt," then it quite obviously DOES hurt.


Yeah, I think lying to kids is worse than people think. Sure, I tell 'em about Santa, the Easter bunny, the Tooth Fairy, but I don't lie to them about a doctor's visit not hurting, and stuff like that. I'll even tell them that things might get scary if they were ever going to have to get something like an MRI(God, those SUCK), but I'm not going to lie.
2014-02-28 03:45:43 PM
1 votes:

To The Escape Zeppelin!: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Normally I'd be shocked by someone that callous about their children but I took a Tripadviser survey yesterday that repeatedly asked whether I would cut back on my child's education or after-school activities to fund my vacation.


Tripadviser survery questions #38
Have you cheated on your significant other?  Would you like to?

Tripadviser survery questions #39
Do you have elderly parents in a nursing home?  If you pay for their care, would you be willing to reduce the quality of that nursing home?
2014-02-28 03:43:24 PM
1 votes:

nocturnal001: Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.


Done in one.

My kid was exposed to whooping cough at daycare (before he was allowed to get the vaccine) because there are too many farktards out there listening to Jenny McCarthy.

Vaccines should be mandatory, at least to be allowed to attend public schools and daycares.


My son got the Whooping Cough even though he had been vaccinated because vaccines are not 100% effective.  Luckily, it wasn't so bad, and he was healthy enough, that it didn't pose a great risk.  But he had one really crappy winter, exposed his family and friends to the disease, and we spent a lot of time (and money) at the doctor's office and pharmacy trying to figure out what the problem was and whether there was a medication that would work (because the doctor didn't considering Whooping Cough a real possibility).
2014-02-28 03:42:53 PM
1 votes:

Ant: All the morons refusing to vaccinate for bogus reasons are putting everyone at risk.


they are biological terrorists.
2014-02-28 03:37:27 PM
1 votes:
Still mad about the hippy dips who believe in evolution, yet refuse to vaccinate at all.

I mean really the avg life span of a generation of bacteria is 40 minutes, max, and you're okay with ruining everyone else's protection against this breed of bacteria? Eff you.
2014-02-28 03:36:50 PM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.


I'm not going to lie.  I had to look up the word sawbones.  But now that I did, I'll be using it every day...forever.
Ant
2014-02-28 03:34:56 PM
1 votes:

Slackfumasta: It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.


This is a public health consideration. All the morons refusing to vaccinate for bogus reasons are putting everyone at risk.
2014-02-28 03:34:06 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: flondrix: Mikey1969: Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time.

"Explain"?  As in, use logic with a pre-schooler?  Look, when I was that age, if I were given the choice between the possibility of someday catching a disease that would paralyze or even kill me, or a long, pointy needle that was gonna hurt RIGHT NOW, I would have opted for disease and death.  Fortunately, I wasn't given a choice.

Yep. Looks like you were one of those "special" pre-schoolers. Like I said, I've done it successfully with 3 kids now.


Yeah.  My kid (4.5) is the biggest suck in the entire world.  Literally - a sliver in his foot will make you think someone cut the kid's toe off.  It's embarrassing.  ;)  But before he got his last set of needles, I told him exactly what the doctor would do, that it would hurt but only for a second, and it would help him stay healthy and get to go to school and other fun stuff.  He gritted his teeth, got his needle, and then bragged about how awesome he was all day.  I think the fear comes when you say stuff "Don't worry it doesn't hurt," then it quite obviously DOES hurt.
2014-02-28 03:32:22 PM
1 votes:

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


I would say that there is a public health interest in upping the rate of vaccination.  Not everyone who is vaccinated achieves immunity, but when most people are vaccinated, the chance of being exposed to a pathogen decreases.    In other words, your decision to not vaccinate affects other people.

Secondly, requiring someone to get her child vaccinated does not to rise to the level of personal intrusiveness of either a forced pregnancy or an "intra vag" ultrasound.

Both situations may be gov't intrusions, but they are not equally intrusive.
2014-02-28 03:26:08 PM
1 votes:

Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.


1) That's a really shiatty attitude to take regardless of who the parents are

2) Anti-vaxxers are almost exactly evenly spread across the political spectrum.  They are more common on the edges, but only marginally so.
2014-02-28 03:23:42 PM
1 votes:

Ficoce: Don't think this is a problem of my glossing, but you not even even scanning the facts.


I think this is a problem with you misrepresenting the facts.  if you care to articulate your point, I will respond to it without being a sh*tbrick.
Ant
2014-02-28 03:22:55 PM
1 votes:

Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.


This times eleventy-billion
2014-02-28 03:20:32 PM
1 votes:
Don't think this is a problem of my glossing, but you not even even scanning the facts.
2014-02-28 03:17:45 PM
1 votes:

Ficoce: thamike: Ficoce: thamike: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid:  what follows

Thanks for presenting the facts, sorry for being such a dumb fark.

No problem, you're welcome!

What facts?

Table II

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w


Yeah, but what's the point of presenting them if you gloss over and completely misrepresent them?  Ignorant and stupid indeed.

mcreadyblue: thamike: mcreadyblue: thamike: meat0918: Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????

They didn't.  It's just anti-choice nuts trying to find a another fanclub under false pretenses.

Just pointing out that Liberals and Conservatives are much more similar than people realize.

More similar than which people realize?  And who gives a sh*t?

Obviously you a great deal or otherwise you would not have spent the time crafting a witty reply.


There was nothing witty about my reply, I just think your point about "liberals and conservatives" serves absolutely no purpose.  Not even a superficial funny one.  None.
2014-02-28 03:11:45 PM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.


Conversely, I bet people who object to this as government overreach have no problem with waiting periods, government mandated misinformation and rape wands for women seeking abortion.
2014-02-28 03:11:35 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Typical libs.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.


I don't biatch and moan if a woman is fully informed about abortion.   Inform away.  I just don't believe in waiting periods, government fees, or other back-door restrictions to exercise what the constitution or the courts have deemed a right.  That includes speech, privacy, guns, local rights, and rights not spelled out by the constitution as well.
2014-02-28 03:10:04 PM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: Mikey1969: As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it.

I prefer my mother's time honored tradition or telling the kid to stop whining.  It worked for me any my brother. She didn't make a big deal out of minor things like needles or cuts and scrapes and bruises so we didn't think they were things to make a big deal out of.


I'll give the kids attention, but what's always worked has been to get them to stop crying first and tell you what happened, show you they can move their hand, arm, whatever, all that stuff, wiggle their fingers, whatever. After that, they've calmed down about 90%, you give them the appropriate kiss better, and a hug, and they run out and play, usually having forgotten that they got hurt in the first place. I still get to look at it when it happens, and make sure it isn't actually something as bad as they think(Which it never is).

Dr Dreidel: I stepped on a piece of a Corona bottle last June, and needed 6 stitches in the bottom of my foot. I didn't realize this at the time, but under that thick skin on your sole are roughly the same amount of nerves as your palm. I get to a clinic, and they're about to give me the topical anesthetic so they can sew me up. The doc says "This'll hurt, you ready?" and then they stab me.

Holy Cthulu mother of Baphomet and sister to Mary, Zeus, and Dick Cheney, that farking hurt more than stepping on the glass did. But I got stitched up, and it's healed nicely.


Yeah, that's the worst... I've had different cuts on my hands, fingers, wrists, from assorted drunken escapades, accidents waiting tables, playing around, etc. At least once, I told the damned doctor to quit jabbing the lidocaine needle in and twisting it around side to side, I would just deal with any more pain that I had from the stitches. That farking stick the needle in, work it under the skin, eject a little anesthetic, move a little more, do it again, rinse, repeat, for like 10 minutes sucks... The stitches with only partial anesthetic were still easier to take. :-)
2014-02-28 03:09:44 PM
1 votes:

ZAZ: This doesn't affect home schooled children.

Here is the text of the law: https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB1 3 2.

I thought of another thing I would do if I were an evil villain living in Oregon and wanted to make a buck. Set up a referral service to hook people up with cooperative doctors, like the ones in other states who will write you a prescription for marijuana, or the ones in Florida who will write you a prescription for narcotics.


I don't consider myself an evil villan (My pranks are for shiats and giggles, not real harm...well....usually) and live in Oregon. There are PLENTY of antivax/prepper/closet whatever types around. While I like living in OR more than other places I've lived, there's no shortage of nutjobs of any spectrum. But the AV-ers grate me like nothing else. And they piss and moan when their kids come down with TB or Pertussis or something else. I even know a couple families that have autistic kids and NO vaccinations and blame their conditions on it. Hell one of my GF kids has autism (all 4 are vaccinated) and that bullshiat arguement. And there are docs that will write you scrips for damn near anything. Thankfully some of those people are being ratted out.

Y'all can thank me for getting my shots. And continual boosters. If you get TB or polio, It sure as hell didn't come from me. I also rarely get sick unless I've been in Vegas with 50 people and I can't remember who picked up the bar tab.
2014-02-28 03:09:35 PM
1 votes:

cchris_39: Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption an abortion

Wonder if that would get the spiffy tag........



I'm no expert on this, but I'm pretty sure anyone seeking an abortion is already consulting a doctor and spending at least an hour learning about the procedure, counseling, etc.  As long as it doesn't involve unnecessary medical procedures/costs/waiting periods, I'm ok with that.
2014-02-28 03:09:07 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.


My mom was a nurse, and my grandmother was a nurse.
My grandmother worked full time as a nurse in a hospital during the depression while a widow and raising three kids. One of them had polio, and she gave him PT every night and he learned how to walk again and have a productive life.

We got vaccinated.
And if we said Boo, we got something to cry about.

I'm surprised she hasn't come back from the dead and kicked some antivaxxer ass.
2014-02-28 03:08:19 PM
1 votes:
I would like to see statistics on the number of people who change their minds. Seems like these people are beyond the help that an online video can provide.
2014-02-28 03:07:34 PM
1 votes:

Ficoce: thamike: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid:  what follows

Thanks for presenting the facts, sorry for being such a dumb fark.

No problem, you're welcome!


What facts?
2014-02-28 03:06:58 PM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Mikey1969: Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.

Jesus. Seriously.

I stepped on a piece of a Corona bottle last June, and needed 6 stitches in the bottom of my foot. I didn't realize this at the time, but under that thick skin on your sole are roughly the same amount of nerves as your palm. I get to a clinic, and they're about to give me the topical anesthetic so they can sew me up. The doc says "This'll hurt, you ready?" and then they stab me.

Holy Cthulu mother of Baphomet and sister to Mary, Zeus, and Dick Cheney, that farking hurt more than stepping on the glass did. But I got stitched up, and it's healed nicely.

Medicine sometimes hurts. You know what hurts more? Sepsis.


I know exactly how that feels and you may have undersold it.  When I was about 12 or 13 my brother left a drinking glass on the stairs while cleaning his bedroom.  I stepped on it and it broke under my foot.  I was hopping up and down on one foot saying something like "ow, glass, glass, glass, glass, ow." when my mother come around the corner and found blood everywhere, completely freaked out, and took me to the ER.  The needle for the topical anesthetic though, lets just say I had some explaining to do about where I learned a few words.
2014-02-28 03:06:39 PM
1 votes:

MrScruffles: Is it just me or does this thread have a lot of "vavcination good bc hurrrrr" and "vaccinationbad bc of durrrr"? I mean I know this is fark but the herpa derp levels seem high today.


If you think there's an equivalence, I guess that's just you.
2014-02-28 03:02:31 PM
1 votes:

flondrix: Mikey1969: Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time.

"Explain"?  As in, use logic with a pre-schooler?  Look, when I was that age, if I were given the choice between the possibility of someday catching a disease that would paralyze or even kill me, or a long, pointy needle that was gonna hurt RIGHT NOW, I would have opted for disease and death.  Fortunately, I wasn't given a choice.


Yep. Looks like you were one of those "special" pre-schoolers. Like I said, I've done it successfully with 3 kids now.
2014-02-28 03:01:43 PM
1 votes:

Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.


For herd immunity to work.
2014-02-28 03:01:27 PM
1 votes:

SuperTramp: I wonder what the anti-vaxxers would do if a vaccination against autism was to be developed...


They'd find new excuses.  Autism concerns have already been overcome by science and that hasn't deterred the anti-vax crowd one bit.
2014-02-28 02:58:41 PM
1 votes:

D135: meat0918: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.

I could have sworn it was a fark article about vaccine exemptions, but I didn't comment in the thread so I don't have it and searching fark for "vaccinations" got me nowhere.

My Google-fu isn't great, but I found this

http://shotofprevention.com/2013/05/15/vaccine-exemptions-often-resu lt -of-laziness-and-lies/


Thanks.

Like I said, it's odd, but I'd rather it be lazy/busy parents and not misinformation.

It still blows my mind that West Virginia and Mississippi are the only two states that have gotten vaccine exemptions right.
2014-02-28 02:55:54 PM
1 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?


No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

It's the way we roll.
2014-02-28 02:55:34 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????


They didn't.  It's just anti-choice nuts trying to find a another fanclub under false pretenses.
2014-02-28 02:55:20 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.


I could have sworn it was a fark article about vaccine exemptions, but I didn't comment in the thread so I don't have it and searching fark for "vaccinations" got me nowhere.

My Google-fu isn't great, but I found this

http://shotofprevention.com/2013/05/15/vaccine-exemptions-often-resu lt -of-laziness-and-lies/
2014-02-28 02:54:18 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it.


I prefer my mother's time honored tradition or telling the kid to stop whining.  It worked for me any my brother. She didn't make a big deal out of minor things like needles or cuts and scrapes and bruises so we didn't think they were things to make a big deal out of.
2014-02-28 02:51:27 PM
1 votes:

TrixieDelite: I have an acquaintance on Facebook who constantly posts anti-vaccine propaganda that is lifted from a site called VacTruth. Because if you're going to get accurate, scientific and unbiased information, it's going to be from VacTruth.


I have a friend on facebook who has a wife is antivax, vegan, god knows what else and he is to the same to some extent, but half the time he trolls antivaxxers with the facts about vaccination, the other half he's trolling vaccination proponents with antivax nonsense.

I have another friend that when defending why she hasn't vaccinated actually said in closing "And besides, there are too many people in this world anyways".

I think you can have perfectly healthy kids whether they are vaccinated or unvaccinated.  Their chances of staying healthy if exposed to preventable illness increase if they are vaccinated.  It's a simple fact, and I wish they would acknowledge it.
2014-02-28 02:50:43 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time.


"Explain"?  As in, use logic with a pre-schooler?  Look, when I was that age, if I were given the choice between the possibility of someday catching a disease that would paralyze or even kill me, or a long, pointy needle that was gonna hurt RIGHT NOW, I would have opted for disease and death.  Fortunately, I wasn't given a choice.
2014-02-28 02:47:49 PM
1 votes:

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.

What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?

You can die from both.

But rather, I think the similarities are forcing pointless medical procedures and costs to effect a change in a persons view point.

IE making non-compliance so arduous as to force compliance.


You can die from both
I can die from one

How are there people who don't get this?
2014-02-28 02:46:49 PM
1 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Combine this law with making the vaccines available at the school nurse's office, and you have a tool useful against busy and/or lazy parents:  "Either you can provide the school with proof that you have watched this hour long video, or you can simply give us permission over the phone right now to have the school nurse stick little Bratlea with a needle, and forget about the whole thing."
2014-02-28 02:44:22 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: [imgick.oregonlive.com image 620x487]

Godammit, there is NO REASON to let your kid be that farking scared of the whole farking process. Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time. As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it. I've raised 3 kids this way, and while they've left unhappy, and a couple of time close to tears, they've NEVER tried to jump out of their skin scared to death like this, as an added bonus, my daughter has been offering to hold YOUR hand if she thinks that you're going through something that is going to hurt you since she's been 3...

Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.


The Oregonian is anti vaccine, hence the picture of a terrified child.
2014-02-28 02:42:50 PM
1 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.

By which you mean "herd immunity" effects don't work unless enough people in the population get vaccinated. The vaccines will still work for you, but, unless most of the rest of the population doesn't also get vaccinated, it won't help people that would like to get vaccinated but can't.


No I mean what I said. Vaccines are not always 100% effective even in normal healthy people.  You might still become ill if you are vaccinated.
2014-02-28 02:41:20 PM
1 votes:

thamike: [goias24horas.com.br image 620x357]


Hey, I stayed in character for a full three posts.  That's a record for me!

;-)
2014-02-28 02:40:27 PM
1 votes:

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Because children don't get all of their vaccines all at once as soon as they pop out. My kid is two years old and he just finished the last round of vaccines. That's why.
2014-02-28 02:40:24 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


It might be, children shouldn't be pregnant.
2014-02-28 02:40:20 PM
1 votes:
mcreadyblue


Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


Just educated myself about that law and yes it does to some extent. The ultrasound is an actual procedure which is different instead of watching a propaganda laced video.
2014-02-28 02:39:55 PM
1 votes:

Tigger: mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.

What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?


You can die from both.

But rather, I think the similarities are forcing pointless medical procedures and costs to effect a change in a persons view point.

IE making non-compliance so arduous as to force compliance.
2014-02-28 02:39:48 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


No but I would imagine that a pregnant child carrying to term and undergoing childbirth is at risk of some pretty serious complications too.
2014-02-28 02:36:07 PM
1 votes:

D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.


Normally I'd be shocked by someone that callous about their children but I took a Tripadviser survey yesterday that repeatedly asked whether I would cut back on my child's education or after-school activities to fund my vacation.
2014-02-28 02:32:21 PM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.


You left out breastfeeding
2014-02-28 02:30:48 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.

Riiiiight.  There certainly aren't any hippy dippy all natural liberal idiots against putting government mandated poisons in their kids.


Yeah, because Jennifer McCarthy is really huge influence on rural conservatives.
2014-02-28 02:24:12 PM
1 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.
2014-02-28 02:23:29 PM
1 votes:
You should have to visit in person
and be vaccinated in person, too.

No exceptions.
none.
2014-02-28 02:23:02 PM
1 votes:
The one, teensy, tiny little problem I have with this is based on my own experience, a third of the world away.

When I started at UMD, I had to provide them proof of my vaccination records. I thought I had, but apparently, there was some piece missing, so they didn't have proof I was up-to-date (IIRC) on my MMR. (Funny enough, working at a hospital the year prior, I'd had to have my titer upped, since the MMR vaccine level was too low.)

Anyway, rather than get stuck AGAIN for the same damn thing (or, more likely, waiting for my doctor's office to RE-re-send the paperwork), I signed the "I have objections" paper and went on my merry.

// if I'd had to watch a video on top of that, it'd be worse than 47 Benghazis happening at the IRS building where they target conservatives
2014-02-28 02:22:44 PM
1 votes:
media.nbcchicago.com
2014-02-28 02:22:32 PM
1 votes:
This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.
2014-02-28 02:22:21 PM
1 votes:
drfreex.files.wordpress.com
2014-02-28 02:20:28 PM
1 votes:
So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.
2014-02-28 02:19:29 PM
1 votes:

Tigger: This is the sort of thing that is easily and simply covered with my 'too stupid to live' constitutional amendment.


It would never get past Congress for the obvious reason of self-preservation.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-28 02:14:28 PM
1 votes:
This doesn't affect home schooled children.

Here is the text of the law: https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB1 3 2.

I thought of another thing I would do if I were an evil villain living in Oregon and wanted to make a buck. Set up a referral service to hook people up with cooperative doctors, like the ones in other states who will write you a prescription for marijuana, or the ones in Florida who will write you a prescription for narcotics.
2014-02-28 02:14:17 PM
1 votes:
Sad: video made by Jenny McCarthy
2014-02-28 01:59:05 PM
1 votes:
Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.
 
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