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(Oregon Live)   Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption   (oregonlive.com) divider line 311
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2014-02-28 01:42:29 PM  
It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.
 
2014-02-28 01:53:15 PM  
Done in one. Well put.
 
2014-02-28 01:58:02 PM  
This is the sort of thing that is easily and simply covered with my 'too stupid to live' constitutional amendment.
 
2014-02-28 01:59:05 PM  
Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.
 
2014-02-28 02:06:21 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.


Pass the raw milk.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-28 02:07:55 PM  
If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."
 
2014-02-28 02:13:58 PM  
In before some dumbf*ck tries to compare this to the ultrasound thing.
 
2014-02-28 02:14:17 PM  
Sad: video made by Jenny McCarthy
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-28 02:14:28 PM  
This doesn't affect home schooled children.

Here is the text of the law: https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB1 3 2.

I thought of another thing I would do if I were an evil villain living in Oregon and wanted to make a buck. Set up a referral service to hook people up with cooperative doctors, like the ones in other states who will write you a prescription for marijuana, or the ones in Florida who will write you a prescription for narcotics.
 
2014-02-28 02:14:40 PM  
Or not.
 
2014-02-28 02:19:29 PM  

Tigger: This is the sort of thing that is easily and simply covered with my 'too stupid to live' constitutional amendment.


It would never get past Congress for the obvious reason of self-preservation.
 
2014-02-28 02:19:37 PM  

Chariset: sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.

Pass the raw milk.


Madame how dare you enslave a helpless cow just so you can drink milk.  For shame. Boooooooooo!
 
2014-02-28 02:19:50 PM  
What an outrageous infringement on my Purity of Essence.
 
2014-02-28 02:20:10 PM  
Baby Steps....
 
2014-02-28 02:20:28 PM  
So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.
 
2014-02-28 02:21:35 PM  
Typical libs.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.
 
2014-02-28 02:22:21 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Sad: video made by Jenny McCarthy


I'll have to disagree with you there.  I saw a few Jenny McCarthy videos in the 90's.
 
2014-02-28 02:22:21 PM  
drfreex.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-28 02:22:32 PM  
This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.
 
2014-02-28 02:22:44 PM  
media.nbcchicago.com
 
2014-02-28 02:23:00 PM  

thamike: In before some dumbf*ck tries to compare this to the ultrasound thing.


Checkmate
 
2014-02-28 02:23:02 PM  
The one, teensy, tiny little problem I have with this is based on my own experience, a third of the world away.

When I started at UMD, I had to provide them proof of my vaccination records. I thought I had, but apparently, there was some piece missing, so they didn't have proof I was up-to-date (IIRC) on my MMR. (Funny enough, working at a hospital the year prior, I'd had to have my titer upped, since the MMR vaccine level was too low.)

Anyway, rather than get stuck AGAIN for the same damn thing (or, more likely, waiting for my doctor's office to RE-re-send the paperwork), I signed the "I have objections" paper and went on my merry.

// if I'd had to watch a video on top of that, it'd be worse than 47 Benghazis happening at the IRS building where they target conservatives
 
2014-02-28 02:23:29 PM  
You should have to visit in person
and be vaccinated in person, too.

No exceptions.
none.
 
2014-02-28 02:23:30 PM  
How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.
 
2014-02-28 02:24:12 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.
 
2014-02-28 02:24:28 PM  
Sorry, I'm raising lil Coady as organic and free range.

Right Coads? Isn't that right?

He doesn't speak much, we haven't taught him how. I don't want the languagists stifling his creativity with their communo-normative fascism. His language is Coadyspeak. Oop, he just shiat on your floor. We taught him not to be ashamed of his leavings.
 
2014-02-28 02:25:07 PM  

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.
 
2014-02-28 02:25:10 PM  

Diogenes: Typical libs.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-28 02:25:15 PM  
Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.
 
2014-02-28 02:27:55 PM  
Oh and one more thing: Reproduction licenses - it's time.
 
2014-02-28 02:28:13 PM  
Yes, but the doctors are all in bed with Big Vaccine!  Who are you going to trust?  Some guy who has never had a baby?  No!

When you form a babby in your own womb, you know better than some guy with "credentials" and "training" and "certifications".    You're a MOM - the hardest job in the world!
 
2014-02-28 02:28:34 PM  

Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.


Riiiiight.  There certainly aren't any hippy dippy all natural liberal idiots against putting government mandated poisons in their kids.
 
2014-02-28 02:28:43 PM  
I have a better idea, force them to live in a 3rd world country with other kids who do not get vaccinated as well, for a month.

/This thing pisses me off so god damned much
 
2014-02-28 02:29:25 PM  

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.
 
2014-02-28 02:30:06 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.


Pretty good.  Pretty... pretty... preeetty good.
 
2014-02-28 02:30:08 PM  

Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.


Ever hear of Ashland Oregon?
 
2014-02-28 02:30:48 PM  

Diogenes: Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.

Riiiiight.  There certainly aren't any hippy dippy all natural liberal idiots against putting government mandated poisons in their kids.


Yeah, because Jennifer McCarthy is really huge influence on rural conservatives.
 
2014-02-28 02:31:06 PM  
I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.
 
2014-02-28 02:31:12 PM  
This policy is prejudiced against micro organisms.
 
2014-02-28 02:31:25 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.


For the love of Penn Jilette, I hope that we never find out that vaccines today had some long-term noi-yet-detectable health risk, with the autism argument as a red herring.
 
2014-02-28 02:31:36 PM  
This is pure, raw bigotry against blind and illiterate people.
 
2014-02-28 02:31:38 PM  
Can the video be about the evils of pro-creation? Maybe we can just phase them out witha a combo of low birth rate and high mortality rate.
 
2014-02-28 02:31:58 PM  
But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?
 
2014-02-28 02:32:10 PM  

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


Let's see, X having an abortion does not affect Y in anyway whatsoever. X not having vaccination directly affects Y.

I agree that watching a video to have a waiver is dumb. Just like you have to have insurance to drive your car on public road, you should be required to have vaccination to walk on public road. There shouldn't be any waiver.
 
2014-02-28 02:32:21 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.


You left out breastfeeding
 
2014-02-28 02:32:50 PM  
Land of the free, home of the brave.
 
2014-02-28 02:33:35 PM  

ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."


Insert an infomercial ....

www.celebritybabyscoop.com
 
2014-02-28 02:35:00 PM  

Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.


Actually there are more hippy dippy liberal types that don't vaccinate (because of the Big Pharma conspiracy and the autism bullshiat that Dr. Mercola pushes) than conservatives. There are some conservative types, too, but the left wing derps outweigh the right wing derps in this case
 
2014-02-28 02:35:02 PM  

Chariset: sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.

Pass the raw milk.


Yes please.

Let me just put it on the stove quick and boil off the bacteria in it.
 
2014-02-28 02:35:09 PM  

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.
 
2014-02-28 02:35:16 PM  

mayIFark: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Let's see, X having an abortion does not affect Y in anyway whatsoever. X not having vaccination directly affects Y.

I agree that watching a video to have a waiver is dumb. Just like you have to have insurance to drive your car on public road, you should be required to have vaccination to walk on public road. There shouldn't be any waiver.


I agree with you and all. But the other side that "Y" is pretty heavily effected
 
2014-02-28 02:35:29 PM  

mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?
 
2014-02-28 02:35:51 PM  

Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.


Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?
 
2014-02-28 02:36:07 PM  

D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.


Normally I'd be shocked by someone that callous about their children but I took a Tripadviser survey yesterday that repeatedly asked whether I would cut back on my child's education or after-school activities to fund my vacation.
 
2014-02-28 02:36:11 PM  

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.
 
2014-02-28 02:36:25 PM  

D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.


Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.
 
2014-02-28 02:36:30 PM  

Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.


Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.
 
2014-02-28 02:37:02 PM  
Forcing people to watch movies to make healthcare decisions is wrong even if they are making bad decisions with their children's lives. Pretty soon we'll go in for an annual checkup and watch a 60 minute video on weight loss, then heart disease, then exercise, then flu vaccinations. Nope. Not interested.
 
2014-02-28 02:37:07 PM  

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat?


Would you like the pop-up or the scratch-n-sniff version?
 
2014-02-28 02:37:40 PM  

mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


Transvaginal Ultrasounds is my favorite band. Wait, I might have the name wrong.
 
2014-02-28 02:38:10 PM  

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


As someone who does think life begins at conception and doesn't like abortion, I'll tell you how it's different. You don't put my life in danger by getting an abortion.
 
2014-02-28 02:38:49 PM  

fennix: Forcing people to watch movies to make healthcare decisions is wrong even if they are making bad decisions with their children's lives. Pretty soon we'll go in for an annual checkup and watch a 60 minute video on weight loss, then heart disease, then exercise, then flu vaccinations. Nope. Not interested.


No. Not really.  But thanks for playing.
 
2014-02-28 02:39:22 PM  

Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.


By which you mean "herd immunity" effects don't work unless enough people in the population get vaccinated. The vaccines will still work for you, but, unless most of the rest of the population doesn't also get vaccinated, it won't help people that would like to get vaccinated but can't.
 
2014-02-28 02:39:48 PM  

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


No but I would imagine that a pregnant child carrying to term and undergoing childbirth is at risk of some pretty serious complications too.
 
2014-02-28 02:39:53 PM  

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


goias24horas.com.br
 
2014-02-28 02:39:55 PM  

Tigger: mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.

What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?


You can die from both.

But rather, I think the similarities are forcing pointless medical procedures and costs to effect a change in a persons view point.

IE making non-compliance so arduous as to force compliance.
 
2014-02-28 02:39:55 PM  

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


If a child gets pregnant, it is definitely healthy for her to get an abortion.
 
2014-02-28 02:40:20 PM  
mcreadyblue


Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


Just educated myself about that law and yes it does to some extent. The ultrasound is an actual procedure which is different instead of watching a propaganda laced video.
 
2014-02-28 02:40:24 PM  

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


It might be, children shouldn't be pregnant.
 
2014-02-28 02:40:27 PM  

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Because children don't get all of their vaccines all at once as soon as they pop out. My kid is two years old and he just finished the last round of vaccines. That's why.
 
2014-02-28 02:41:20 PM  

thamike: [goias24horas.com.br image 620x357]


Hey, I stayed in character for a full three posts.  That's a record for me!

;-)
 
2014-02-28 02:42:14 PM  
imgick.oregonlive.com

Godammit, there is NO REASON to let your kid be that farking scared of the whole farking process. Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time. As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it. I've raised 3 kids this way, and while they've left unhappy, and a couple of time close to tears, they've NEVER tried to jump out of their skin scared to death like this, as an added bonus, my daughter has been offering to hold YOUR hand if she thinks that you're going through something that is going to hurt you since she's been 3...

Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.
 
2014-02-28 02:42:50 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.

By which you mean "herd immunity" effects don't work unless enough people in the population get vaccinated. The vaccines will still work for you, but, unless most of the rest of the population doesn't also get vaccinated, it won't help people that would like to get vaccinated but can't.


No I mean what I said. Vaccines are not always 100% effective even in normal healthy people.  You might still become ill if you are vaccinated.
 
2014-02-28 02:43:08 PM  

Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.



Done in one.

My kid was exposed to whooping cough at daycare (before he was allowed to get the vaccine) because there are too many farktards out there listening to Jenny McCarthy.

Vaccines should be mandatory, at least to be allowed to attend public schools and daycares.
 
2014-02-28 02:43:25 PM  

darth_badger: ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."

Insert an infomercial ....


I like how many people I know still think that thing was designed for making smoothies and milkshakes.
 
2014-02-28 02:43:43 PM  

thamike: Or not.


You were still good... That was obviously sarcasm, so you were in before someone played the ultrasound card seriously.
 
2014-02-28 02:44:22 PM  

Mikey1969: [imgick.oregonlive.com image 620x487]

Godammit, there is NO REASON to let your kid be that farking scared of the whole farking process. Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time. As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it. I've raised 3 kids this way, and while they've left unhappy, and a couple of time close to tears, they've NEVER tried to jump out of their skin scared to death like this, as an added bonus, my daughter has been offering to hold YOUR hand if she thinks that you're going through something that is going to hurt you since she's been 3...

Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.


The Oregonian is anti vaccine, hence the picture of a terrified child.
 
2014-02-28 02:45:16 PM  
I have an acquaintance on Facebook who constantly posts anti-vaccine propaganda that is lifted from a site called VacTruth. Because if you're going to get accurate, scientific and unbiased information, it's going to be from VacTruth.
 
2014-02-28 02:45:18 PM  

Mikey1969: [imgick.oregonlive.com image 620x487]

Godammit, there is NO REASON to let your kid be that farking scared of the whole farking process. Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time. As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it. I've raised 3 kids this way, and while they've left unhappy, and a couple of time close to tears, they've NEVER tried to jump out of their skin scared to death like this, as an added bonus, my daughter has been offering to hold YOUR hand if she thinks that you're going through something that is going to hurt you since she's been 3...

Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.


My kid just sits there and watches. Last time she cried was at 18 months. Now that she understands more about what's going on she's actually very curious about it.
 
2014-02-28 02:46:49 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Combine this law with making the vaccines available at the school nurse's office, and you have a tool useful against busy and/or lazy parents:  "Either you can provide the school with proof that you have watched this hour long video, or you can simply give us permission over the phone right now to have the school nurse stick little Bratlea with a needle, and forget about the whole thing."
 
2014-02-28 02:47:30 PM  

Diogenes: thamike: [goias24horas.com.br image 620x357]

Hey, I stayed in character for a full three posts.  That's a record for me!

;-)


2.bp.blogspot.com

Let's get into character.

 
2014-02-28 02:47:41 PM  
Egoy3k:
Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.

No but I would imagine that a pregnant child carrying to term and undergoing childbirth is at risk of some pretty serious complications too.


mayIFark:

If a child gets pregnant, it is definitely healthy for her to get an abortion.


HotWingConspiracy:

It might be, children shouldn't be pregnant.


I swear the other two are not my alts.
 
2014-02-28 02:47:49 PM  

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.

What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?

You can die from both.

But rather, I think the similarities are forcing pointless medical procedures and costs to effect a change in a persons view point.

IE making non-compliance so arduous as to force compliance.


You can die from both
I can die from one

How are there people who don't get this?
 
2014-02-28 02:48:01 PM  

darth_badger: ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."

Insert an infomercial ....

[www.celebritybabyscoop.com image 850x703]


That thing must be pretty damn stretched out. Jesus, HOW many kids has she had now?
 
2014-02-28 02:48:56 PM  

Mikey1969: thamike: Or not.

You were still good... That was obviously sarcasm, so you were in before someone played the ultrasound card seriously.


Yeah, I figured that would put the kibosh on it, but nope.
 
2014-02-28 02:49:06 PM  
Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption an abortion

Wonder if that would get the spiffy tag........
 
2014-02-28 02:50:43 PM  

Mikey1969: Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time.


"Explain"?  As in, use logic with a pre-schooler?  Look, when I was that age, if I were given the choice between the possibility of someday catching a disease that would paralyze or even kill me, or a long, pointy needle that was gonna hurt RIGHT NOW, I would have opted for disease and death.  Fortunately, I wasn't given a choice.
 
2014-02-28 02:50:54 PM  

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Shots for some of these diseases are not able to be given to babies/ toddlers until they are a year old and up to 7 years for some. During that time, they are susceptible to contracting these hellacious diseases because some crazed parent who read something in the internet (yes I see the irony) decided that vaccinations are evil because __(fill in the blank)__

/ But, you knew that... right?
// Did I just get trolled??
 
2014-02-28 02:51:11 PM  

Shazam999: We need a nice raging polio epidemic. Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.


Wish granted.
 
2014-02-28 02:51:21 PM  
Fascism! How DARE you intrude on my right to spread horrible, preventable infectious diseases!
 
2014-02-28 02:51:27 PM  

TrixieDelite: I have an acquaintance on Facebook who constantly posts anti-vaccine propaganda that is lifted from a site called VacTruth. Because if you're going to get accurate, scientific and unbiased information, it's going to be from VacTruth.


I have a friend on facebook who has a wife is antivax, vegan, god knows what else and he is to the same to some extent, but half the time he trolls antivaxxers with the facts about vaccination, the other half he's trolling vaccination proponents with antivax nonsense.

I have another friend that when defending why she hasn't vaccinated actually said in closing "And besides, there are too many people in this world anyways".

I think you can have perfectly healthy kids whether they are vaccinated or unvaccinated.  Their chances of staying healthy if exposed to preventable illness increase if they are vaccinated.  It's a simple fact, and I wish they would acknowledge it.
 
2014-02-28 02:51:50 PM  

Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.

What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?

You can die from both.

But rather, I think the similarities are forcing pointless medical procedures and costs to effect a change in a persons view point.

IE making non-compliance so arduous as to force compliance.

You can die from both
I can die from one

How are there people who don't get this?


I guess there is a bit of confusion how it works.

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid, etc.
 
2014-02-28 02:52:34 PM  

Mikey1969: [imgick.oregonlive.com image 620x487]


img.fark.net

NORMAL VACCINATION

www.pulitzer.org


FLORIDA VACCINATION
 
2014-02-28 02:52:49 PM  
Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????
 
2014-02-28 02:53:08 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.


It feels so good to be right.
 
2014-02-28 02:54:06 PM  
flondrix


Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Combine this law with making the vaccines available at the school nurse's office, and you have a tool useful against busy and/or lazy parents: "Either you can provide the school with proof that you have watched this hour long video, or you can simply give us permission over the phone right now to have the school nurse stick little Bratlea with a needle, and forget about the whole thing."


I don't think this has so much to do with busy or lazy parents. This is trying to hit the belief structure nut jobs and as stubborn as people are the video is a waste of time. Now if you stick their kid without consent they will lawyer up and win.
 
2014-02-28 02:54:18 PM  

Mikey1969: As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it.


I prefer my mother's time honored tradition or telling the kid to stop whining.  It worked for me any my brother. She didn't make a big deal out of minor things like needles or cuts and scrapes and bruises so we didn't think they were things to make a big deal out of.
 
2014-02-28 02:55:01 PM  

Mikey1969: Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.


Jesus. Seriously.

I stepped on a piece of a Corona bottle last June, and needed 6 stitches in the bottom of my foot. I didn't realize this at the time, but under that thick skin on your sole are roughly the same amount of nerves as your palm. I get to a clinic, and they're about to give me the topical anesthetic so they can sew me up. The doc says "This'll hurt, you ready?" and then they stab me.

Holy Cthulu mother of Baphomet and sister to Mary, Zeus, and Dick Cheney, that farking hurt more than stepping on the glass did. But I got stitched up, and it's healed nicely.

Medicine sometimes hurts. You know what hurts more? Sepsis.
 
2014-02-28 02:55:20 PM  

meat0918: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.


I could have sworn it was a fark article about vaccine exemptions, but I didn't comment in the thread so I don't have it and searching fark for "vaccinations" got me nowhere.

My Google-fu isn't great, but I found this

http://shotofprevention.com/2013/05/15/vaccine-exemptions-often-resu lt -of-laziness-and-lies/
 
2014-02-28 02:55:22 PM  
Way to go, Oregon! And, fark you, anti-vacs!
 
2014-02-28 02:55:34 PM  

meat0918: Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????


They didn't.  It's just anti-choice nuts trying to find a another fanclub under false pretenses.
 
2014-02-28 02:55:45 PM  

cchris_39: Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption an abortion

Wonder if that would get the spiffy tag........


You're slow.

Both ways.
 
2014-02-28 02:55:53 PM  

mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


mfw

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-28 02:55:54 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?


No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

It's the way we roll.
 
2014-02-28 02:56:41 PM  
I wonder what the anti-vaxxers would do if a vaccination against autism was to be developed...
 
2014-02-28 02:57:19 PM  

Prof. Frink: darth_badger: ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."

Insert an infomercial ....

I like how many people I know still think that thing was designed for making smoothies and milkshakes.


OK, I'll bite.  What was it really designed for?
 
2014-02-28 02:58:04 PM  
This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?
 
2014-02-28 02:58:09 PM  

cchris_39: Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption an abortion

Wonder if that would get the spiffy tag........


You mean like the doctor that performs the abortion? I sure hope she consulted with him first, otherwise he may remove her tonsils instead.
 
2014-02-28 02:58:41 PM  

D135: meat0918: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.

I could have sworn it was a fark article about vaccine exemptions, but I didn't comment in the thread so I don't have it and searching fark for "vaccinations" got me nowhere.

My Google-fu isn't great, but I found this

http://shotofprevention.com/2013/05/15/vaccine-exemptions-often-resu lt -of-laziness-and-lies/


Thanks.

Like I said, it's odd, but I'd rather it be lazy/busy parents and not misinformation.

It still blows my mind that West Virginia and Mississippi are the only two states that have gotten vaccine exemptions right.
 
2014-02-28 02:59:10 PM  

SuperTramp: I wonder what the anti-vaxxers would do if a vaccination against autism was to be developed...


They'd smell burnt orange peels and have heart flutters, followed by lost time and a plague of doldrums.  Leeches and vapors, obviously, would be their only hope.
 
2014-02-28 02:59:32 PM  
mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,


I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.
 
2014-02-28 02:59:34 PM  

SuperTramp: I wonder what the anti-vaxxers would do if a vaccination against autism was to be developed...

 
2014-02-28 03:00:13 PM  

thamike: meat0918: Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????

They didn't.  It's just anti-choice nuts trying to find a another fanclub under false pretenses.


Just pointing out that Liberals and Conservatives are much more similar than people realize.
 
2014-02-28 03:00:15 PM  
click this link to see the gif that got eated
 
2014-02-28 03:00:55 PM  
whatever, it is a guys head asploding
 
2014-02-28 03:00:57 PM  

Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid:  what follows

 
2014-02-28 03:01:16 PM  

mayIFark: I have a better idea, force them to live in a 3rd world country with other kids who do not get vaccinated as well, for a month.

/This thing pisses me off so god damned much


I like the cut of your jib.

/meeeee too
//ragey
 
2014-02-28 03:01:27 PM  

SuperTramp: I wonder what the anti-vaxxers would do if a vaccination against autism was to be developed...


They'd find new excuses.  Autism concerns have already been overcome by science and that hasn't deterred the anti-vax crowd one bit.
 
2014-02-28 03:01:43 PM  

Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.


For herd immunity to work.
 
2014-02-28 03:02:14 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.


But Trisha down the street got one! And I wanna go to college TOOOOOOOO!
 
2014-02-28 03:02:23 PM  

mcreadyblue: thamike: meat0918: Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????

They didn't.  It's just anti-choice nuts trying to find a another fanclub under false pretenses.

Just pointing out that Liberals and Conservatives are much more similar than people realize.


More similar than which people realize?  And who gives a sh*t?
 
2014-02-28 03:02:31 PM  

flondrix: Mikey1969: Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time.

"Explain"?  As in, use logic with a pre-schooler?  Look, when I was that age, if I were given the choice between the possibility of someday catching a disease that would paralyze or even kill me, or a long, pointy needle that was gonna hurt RIGHT NOW, I would have opted for disease and death.  Fortunately, I wasn't given a choice.


Yep. Looks like you were one of those "special" pre-schoolers. Like I said, I've done it successfully with 3 kids now.
 
PJ-
2014-02-28 03:02:55 PM  
This is just a cash move, and very little to do with informing people about vaccines.  From my understanding, insurance companies don't want to pay out doctors in a similar fashion to having a 'quit smoking' conversation.  Basically, if a doctor asks you if you smoke, then tells you that you should quit, they get a small payment.  Now, insurance companies don't want to pay a doctor for advising a patients parents the benefits of being vaccinated.

This way, by making a patient watch a video, the people who created the video pay the doctor a small amount of cash for showing the video, while racking in big bucks from hospitals because they paid X amount of dollars to obtain said video.
 
2014-02-28 03:03:44 PM  

mcreadyblue: thamike: meat0918: Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????

They didn't.  It's just anti-choice nuts trying to find a another fanclub under false pretenses.

Just pointing out that Liberals and Conservatives are much more similar than people realize.


Personal freedom is more important than public safety/BSAB?

Fedora-wearing Libertarian detected.
 
2014-02-28 03:03:53 PM  
Is it just me or does this thread have a lot of "vavcination good bc hurrrrr" and "vaccinationbad bc of durrrr"? I mean I know this is fark but the herpa derp levels seem high today.
 
2014-02-28 03:04:40 PM  

PJ-: This is just a cash move, and very little to do with informing people about vaccines.  From my understanding, insurance companies don't want to pay out doctors in a similar fashion to having a 'quit smoking' conversation.  Basically, if a doctor asks you if you smoke, then tells you that you should quit, they get a small payment.  Now, insurance companies don't want to pay a doctor for advising a patients parents the benefits of being vaccinated.

This way, by making a patient watch a video, the people who created the video pay the doctor a small amount of cash for showing the video, while racking in big bucks from hospitals because they paid X amount of dollars to obtain said video.


The video is online.  You never have to go to the doctor or pay money.
 
2014-02-28 03:05:18 PM  
PJ-: From my understanding

Being the operative term...
 
2014-02-28 03:05:19 PM  

PJ-: This is just a cash move, and very little to do with informing people about vaccines.  From my understanding, insurance companies don't want to pay out doctors in a similar fashion to having a 'quit smoking' conversation.  Basically, if a doctor asks you if you smoke, then tells you that you should quit, they get a small payment.  Now, insurance companies don't want to pay a doctor for advising a patients parents the benefits of being vaccinated.

This way, by making a patient watch a video, the people who created the video pay the doctor a small amount of cash for showing the video, while racking in big bucks from hospitals because they paid X amount of dollars to obtain said video.


So what's the problem? Isn't that a win-win?
 
2014-02-28 03:05:29 PM  

thamike: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid:  what follows

Thanks for presenting the facts, sorry for being such a dumb fark.


No problem, you're welcome!
 
2014-02-28 03:06:39 PM  

MrScruffles: Is it just me or does this thread have a lot of "vavcination good bc hurrrrr" and "vaccinationbad bc of durrrr"? I mean I know this is fark but the herpa derp levels seem high today.


If you think there's an equivalence, I guess that's just you.
 
2014-02-28 03:06:45 PM  

meat0918: PJ-: This is just a cash move, and very little to do with informing people about vaccines.  From my understanding, insurance companies don't want to pay out doctors in a similar fashion to having a 'quit smoking' conversation.  Basically, if a doctor asks you if you smoke, then tells you that you should quit, they get a small payment.  Now, insurance companies don't want to pay a doctor for advising a patients parents the benefits of being vaccinated.

This way, by making a patient watch a video, the people who created the video pay the doctor a small amount of cash for showing the video, while racking in big bucks from hospitals because they paid X amount of dollars to obtain said video.

The video is online.  You never have to go to the doctor or pay money.


And thinking of it, there will soon be a lot of antivax sites that have the certificate that says you watched it available for printing.
 
2014-02-28 03:06:58 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Mikey1969: Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.

Jesus. Seriously.

I stepped on a piece of a Corona bottle last June, and needed 6 stitches in the bottom of my foot. I didn't realize this at the time, but under that thick skin on your sole are roughly the same amount of nerves as your palm. I get to a clinic, and they're about to give me the topical anesthetic so they can sew me up. The doc says "This'll hurt, you ready?" and then they stab me.

Holy Cthulu mother of Baphomet and sister to Mary, Zeus, and Dick Cheney, that farking hurt more than stepping on the glass did. But I got stitched up, and it's healed nicely.

Medicine sometimes hurts. You know what hurts more? Sepsis.


I know exactly how that feels and you may have undersold it.  When I was about 12 or 13 my brother left a drinking glass on the stairs while cleaning his bedroom.  I stepped on it and it broke under my foot.  I was hopping up and down on one foot saying something like "ow, glass, glass, glass, glass, ow." when my mother come around the corner and found blood everywhere, completely freaked out, and took me to the ER.  The needle for the topical anesthetic though, lets just say I had some explaining to do about where I learned a few words.
 
2014-02-28 03:07:34 PM  

Ficoce: thamike: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid:  what follows

Thanks for presenting the facts, sorry for being such a dumb fark.

No problem, you're welcome!


What facts?
 
2014-02-28 03:07:41 PM  

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.


One is forced penetration via legislation and the other is watching a video?

i.imgur.com

I don't agree with the video but trying to compare the situations is ignorant at best.
 
2014-02-28 03:08:19 PM  
I would like to see statistics on the number of people who change their minds. Seems like these people are beyond the help that an online video can provide.
 
2014-02-28 03:08:46 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.


Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though
 
2014-02-28 03:09:07 PM  

Mikey1969: Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.


My mom was a nurse, and my grandmother was a nurse.
My grandmother worked full time as a nurse in a hospital during the depression while a widow and raising three kids. One of them had polio, and she gave him PT every night and he learned how to walk again and have a productive life.

We got vaccinated.
And if we said Boo, we got something to cry about.

I'm surprised she hasn't come back from the dead and kicked some antivaxxer ass.
 
2014-02-28 03:09:30 PM  

MrScruffles: Is it just me or does this thread have a lot of "vavcination good bc hurrrrr" and "vaccinationbad bc of durrrr"? I mean I know this is fark but the herpa derp levels seem high today.


No. You see two sides that are passionate about their strance, but that's really the only similarity. One side has facts and the other has "muh freedoms" and "watching a video = transvaginal ultrasound"
 
2014-02-28 03:09:35 PM  

cchris_39: Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption an abortion

Wonder if that would get the spiffy tag........



I'm no expert on this, but I'm pretty sure anyone seeking an abortion is already consulting a doctor and spending at least an hour learning about the procedure, counseling, etc.  As long as it doesn't involve unnecessary medical procedures/costs/waiting periods, I'm ok with that.
 
2014-02-28 03:09:44 PM  

ZAZ: This doesn't affect home schooled children.

Here is the text of the law: https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB1 3 2.

I thought of another thing I would do if I were an evil villain living in Oregon and wanted to make a buck. Set up a referral service to hook people up with cooperative doctors, like the ones in other states who will write you a prescription for marijuana, or the ones in Florida who will write you a prescription for narcotics.


I don't consider myself an evil villan (My pranks are for shiats and giggles, not real harm...well....usually) and live in Oregon. There are PLENTY of antivax/prepper/closet whatever types around. While I like living in OR more than other places I've lived, there's no shortage of nutjobs of any spectrum. But the AV-ers grate me like nothing else. And they piss and moan when their kids come down with TB or Pertussis or something else. I even know a couple families that have autistic kids and NO vaccinations and blame their conditions on it. Hell one of my GF kids has autism (all 4 are vaccinated) and that bullshiat arguement. And there are docs that will write you scrips for damn near anything. Thankfully some of those people are being ratted out.

Y'all can thank me for getting my shots. And continual boosters. If you get TB or polio, It sure as hell didn't come from me. I also rarely get sick unless I've been in Vegas with 50 people and I can't remember who picked up the bar tab.
 
2014-02-28 03:10:04 PM  

Egoy3k: Mikey1969: As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it.

I prefer my mother's time honored tradition or telling the kid to stop whining.  It worked for me any my brother. She didn't make a big deal out of minor things like needles or cuts and scrapes and bruises so we didn't think they were things to make a big deal out of.


I'll give the kids attention, but what's always worked has been to get them to stop crying first and tell you what happened, show you they can move their hand, arm, whatever, all that stuff, wiggle their fingers, whatever. After that, they've calmed down about 90%, you give them the appropriate kiss better, and a hug, and they run out and play, usually having forgotten that they got hurt in the first place. I still get to look at it when it happens, and make sure it isn't actually something as bad as they think(Which it never is).

Dr Dreidel: I stepped on a piece of a Corona bottle last June, and needed 6 stitches in the bottom of my foot. I didn't realize this at the time, but under that thick skin on your sole are roughly the same amount of nerves as your palm. I get to a clinic, and they're about to give me the topical anesthetic so they can sew me up. The doc says "This'll hurt, you ready?" and then they stab me.

Holy Cthulu mother of Baphomet and sister to Mary, Zeus, and Dick Cheney, that farking hurt more than stepping on the glass did. But I got stitched up, and it's healed nicely.


Yeah, that's the worst... I've had different cuts on my hands, fingers, wrists, from assorted drunken escapades, accidents waiting tables, playing around, etc. At least once, I told the damned doctor to quit jabbing the lidocaine needle in and twisting it around side to side, I would just deal with any more pain that I had from the stitches. That farking stick the needle in, work it under the skin, eject a little anesthetic, move a little more, do it again, rinse, repeat, for like 10 minutes sucks... The stitches with only partial anesthetic were still easier to take. :-)
 
2014-02-28 03:10:20 PM  
I tried to say this before and everyone got all wiggy.  (again -  My kid gets all his shots).  All I'm saying is that the anti-vaccine crew makes compelling videos.  I'm not saying they are right....just I can understand how people can be swayed after watching them.  Especially if they don't know the subject.

I've heard plenty of good arguments to vaccinate from people on this site.  Perhaps that should be put into a compelling "Vaccinate your kid - video".

Saying the anti-vaccine crew are idiots and their crotch-fruit should be put in iron lungs, is funny....but doesn't have the same weight as.....vaccines don't have mercury and even if they did it would be less than you get in a tuna fish sandwich.  The same trace metals people say are in vaccines are in far greater numbers in multivitamins.  Formaldehyde is used to kill bacteria and is also found in potato chips.....well you get the idea, stuff like that.

just say'n
 
2014-02-28 03:10:22 PM  

Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.


Wasn't there an article like a week ago that said there was a polio-like virus that has started infecting people in California?
 
2014-02-28 03:10:35 PM  

Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.


You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.
 
2014-02-28 03:11:16 PM  

thamike: mcreadyblue: thamike: meat0918: Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????

They didn't.  It's just anti-choice nuts trying to find a another fanclub under false pretenses.

Just pointing out that Liberals and Conservatives are much more similar than people realize.

More similar than which people realize?  And who gives a sh*t?


Obviously you a great deal or otherwise you would not have spent the time crafting a witty reply.
 
2014-02-28 03:11:35 PM  

Diogenes: Typical libs.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.


I don't biatch and moan if a woman is fully informed about abortion.   Inform away.  I just don't believe in waiting periods, government fees, or other back-door restrictions to exercise what the constitution or the courts have deemed a right.  That includes speech, privacy, guns, local rights, and rights not spelled out by the constitution as well.
 
2014-02-28 03:11:45 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.


Conversely, I bet people who object to this as government overreach have no problem with waiting periods, government mandated misinformation and rape wands for women seeking abortion.
 
2014-02-28 03:11:54 PM  

codenamewizard: I tried to say this before and everyone got all wiggy.  (again -  My kid gets all his shots).  All I'm saying is that the anti-vaccine crew makes compelling videos.  I'm not saying they are right....just I can understand how people can be swayed after watching them.  Especially if they don't know the subject.

I've heard plenty of good arguments to vaccinate from people on this site.  Perhaps that should be put into a compelling "Vaccinate your kid - video".

Saying the anti-vaccine crew are idiots and their crotch-fruit should be put in iron lungs, is funny....but doesn't have the same weight as.....vaccines don't have mercury and even if they did it would be less than you get in a tuna fish sandwich.  The same trace metals people say are in vaccines are in far greater numbers in multivitamins.  Formaldehyde is used to kill bacteria and is also found in potato chips.....well you get the idea, stuff like that.

just say'n


Done that, in person.

Doesn't get through.

Now, having the parent and child watch it...

"Mommy, why do you want me to get sick???"
 
2014-02-28 03:12:30 PM  

thamike: Ficoce: thamike: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid:  what follows

Thanks for presenting the facts, sorry for being such a dumb fark.

No problem, you're welcome!

What facts?


Table II

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w
 
2014-02-28 03:16:34 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.

By which you mean "herd immunity" effects don't work unless enough people in the population get vaccinated. The vaccines will still work for you, but, unless most of the rest of the population doesn't also get vaccinated, it won't help people that would like to get vaccinated but can't.


No. NO!!! WRONG!!!!

Herd immunity also protects those who get the vaccination from getting a mutated version back from someone else who had the original disease, and transferred it to five other people while infectious.
 
2014-02-28 03:17:45 PM  

Ficoce: thamike: Ficoce: thamike: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid:  what follows

Thanks for presenting the facts, sorry for being such a dumb fark.

No problem, you're welcome!

What facts?

Table II

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w


Yeah, but what's the point of presenting them if you gloss over and completely misrepresent them?  Ignorant and stupid indeed.

mcreadyblue: thamike: mcreadyblue: thamike: meat0918: Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????

They didn't.  It's just anti-choice nuts trying to find a another fanclub under false pretenses.

Just pointing out that Liberals and Conservatives are much more similar than people realize.

More similar than which people realize?  And who gives a sh*t?

Obviously you a great deal or otherwise you would not have spent the time crafting a witty reply.


There was nothing witty about my reply, I just think your point about "liberals and conservatives" serves absolutely no purpose.  Not even a superficial funny one.  None.
 
2014-02-28 03:20:32 PM  
Don't think this is a problem of my glossing, but you not even even scanning the facts.
 
2014-02-28 03:20:32 PM  

thamike: Ficoce: thamike: Ficoce: thamike: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid:  what follows

Thanks for presenting the facts, sorry for being such a dumb fark.

No problem, you're welcome!

What facts?

Table II

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Yeah, but what's the point of presenting them if you gloss over and completely misrepresent them?  Ignorant and stupid indeed.

mcreadyblue: thamike: mcreadyblue: thamike: meat0918: Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????

They didn't.  It's just anti-choice nuts trying to find a another fanclub under false pretenses.

Just pointing out that Liberals and Conservatives are much more similar than people realize.

More similar than which people realize?  And who gives a sh*t?

Obviously you a great deal or otherwise you would not have spent the time crafting a witty reply.

There was nothing witty about my reply, I just think your point about "liberals and conservatives" serves absolutely no purpose.  Not even a superficial funny one.  None.


But, you just can't let it go. It means you care very very deeply.

So deeply, you will even reply to this.
 
2014-02-28 03:21:25 PM  

Mikey1969: darth_badger: ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."

Insert an infomercial ....

[www.celebritybabyscoop.com image 850x703]

That thing must be pretty damn stretched out. Jesus, HOW many kids has she had now?


3/4 of a real kid and one Tommy Lee.... and the '80's.
 
Ant
2014-02-28 03:21:47 PM  
No religious exemptions should be allowed. Only valid medical issues should be considered a good reason not to vaccinate.
 
Ant
2014-02-28 03:22:55 PM  

Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.


This times eleventy-billion
 
2014-02-28 03:23:13 PM  

doloresonthedottedline: Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.


You know, just like WATCHING porn is the same as BEING IN porn.
 
2014-02-28 03:23:42 PM  

Ficoce: Don't think this is a problem of my glossing, but you not even even scanning the facts.


I think this is a problem with you misrepresenting the facts.  if you care to articulate your point, I will respond to it without being a sh*tbrick.
 
2014-02-28 03:24:49 PM  

Egoy3k: Dr Dreidel: Mikey1969: Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.

Jesus. Seriously.

I stepped on a piece of a Corona bottle last June, and needed 6 stitches in the bottom of my foot. I didn't realize this at the time, but under that thick skin on your sole are roughly the same amount of nerves as your palm. I get to a clinic, and they're about to give me the topical anesthetic so they can sew me up. The doc says "This'll hurt, you ready?" and then they stab me.

Holy Cthulu mother of Baphomet and sister to Mary, Zeus, and Dick Cheney, that farking hurt more than stepping on the glass did. But I got stitched up, and it's healed nicely.

Medicine sometimes hurts. You know what hurts more? Sepsis.

I know exactly how that feels and you may have undersold it.  When I was about 12 or 13 my brother left a drinking glass on the stairs while cleaning his bedroom.  I stepped on it and it broke under my foot.  I was hopping up and down on one foot saying something like "ow, glass, glass, glass, glass, ow." when my mother come around the corner and found blood everywhere, completely freaked out, and took me to the ER.  The needle for the topical anesthetic though, lets just say I had some explaining to do about where I learned a few words.


The idea is that since it's topical, its effect doesn't spread far, so they stick the thing in and work it around to spread the anesthetic around and cover enough area to numb the area getting the stitches. Same thing they do at the dentist. Both processes suck, and as I said in a post higher up, one time on my hand, I told the doc I'd just tough out the pain rather than have him keep jabbing me with that farking needle... God that sucks.
 
2014-02-28 03:25:04 PM  

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.


In your case the vaccine may well have caused retardation.
 
2014-02-28 03:26:08 PM  

Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.


1) That's a really shiatty attitude to take regardless of who the parents are

2) Anti-vaxxers are almost exactly evenly spread across the political spectrum.  They are more common on the edges, but only marginally so.
 
2014-02-28 03:26:19 PM  

Dr Dreidel: doloresonthedottedline: Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

You know, just like WATCHING porn is the same as BEING IN porn.


hamsterdam415.files.wordpress.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

"Uniporn.  It was Uniporn."
 
2014-02-28 03:26:35 PM  

chapman: SuperTramp: I wonder what the anti-vaxxers would do if a vaccination against autism was to be developed...

They'd find new excuses.  Autism concerns have already been overcome by science and that hasn't deterred the anti-vax crowd one bit.


I'm not for having the shots all at once. I'm willing to schedule appointments to have them within CDC Guidelines/timeframe, but it seems really amped to me for less than 1 year olds. :\

Pro-Vaccination- Smart Science- Cautious about Children's Health, within reason.
 
2014-02-28 03:26:59 PM  

vudukungfu: Mikey1969: Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.

My mom was a nurse, and my grandmother was a nurse.
My grandmother worked full time as a nurse in a hospital during the depression while a widow and raising three kids. One of them had polio, and she gave him PT every night and he learned how to walk again and have a productive life.

We got vaccinated.
And if we said Boo, we got something to cry about.

I'm surprised she hasn't come back from the dead and kicked some antivaxxer ass.


My adoptive mom worked with the Health Department and was one of the people that traveled to the schools on vaccination day. I wouldn't have gotten out of it if I'd wanted to. Doesn't mean that I think kids need to be scared to death of the needle like the one in the pic, though.
 
2014-02-28 03:28:07 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?

No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

It's the way we roll.


At some point parents have to take responsibility for their children.

In NA polio epidemics happened so long ago that people have forgotten that whole *cities* were shut down because of them.
 
2014-02-28 03:28:44 PM  

Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.

In your case the vaccine may well have caused retardation.


Weak.
 
2014-02-28 03:32:21 PM  

sigdiamond2000: If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.


You probably should, in that the fatal side-effects usually happen to someone else.
 
2014-02-28 03:32:22 PM  

darth_badger: Mikey1969: darth_badger: ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."

Insert an infomercial ....

[www.celebritybabyscoop.com image 850x703]

That thing must be pretty damn stretched out. Jesus, HOW many kids has she had now?

3/4 of a real kid and one Tommy Lee.... and the '80's.


I never watched the Tommy Lee video, but I've heard the guy is hung like a farking elephant, that would explain why she needs such a big vibrator now.
 
2014-02-28 03:32:22 PM  

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


I would say that there is a public health interest in upping the rate of vaccination.  Not everyone who is vaccinated achieves immunity, but when most people are vaccinated, the chance of being exposed to a pathogen decreases.    In other words, your decision to not vaccinate affects other people.

Secondly, requiring someone to get her child vaccinated does not to rise to the level of personal intrusiveness of either a forced pregnancy or an "intra vag" ultrasound.

Both situations may be gov't intrusions, but they are not equally intrusive.
 
2014-02-28 03:32:57 PM  
Shazam999:

At some point parents have to take responsibility for their children.

Oh great, an anti-welfare teabagger pokes his little head up.

Go back to the politics tab, Rush
 
2014-02-28 03:33:15 PM  

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.


Dude; Viruses and bacteria change and adapt and, dare I say it?, EVOLVE over time.
In order to keep people from getting polio, you have to have a greater than half percentage(don't know exact #') to prevent the disease transferring around enough to mutate so that it could kill anybody, including those previously vaccinated.
 It's still Polio- Just a different breed of Polio.

Like the flu- you need a new vaccine every year, because it is so adaptable.
 
2014-02-28 03:34:06 PM  

Mikey1969: flondrix: Mikey1969: Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time.

"Explain"?  As in, use logic with a pre-schooler?  Look, when I was that age, if I were given the choice between the possibility of someday catching a disease that would paralyze or even kill me, or a long, pointy needle that was gonna hurt RIGHT NOW, I would have opted for disease and death.  Fortunately, I wasn't given a choice.

Yep. Looks like you were one of those "special" pre-schoolers. Like I said, I've done it successfully with 3 kids now.


Yeah.  My kid (4.5) is the biggest suck in the entire world.  Literally - a sliver in his foot will make you think someone cut the kid's toe off.  It's embarrassing.  ;)  But before he got his last set of needles, I told him exactly what the doctor would do, that it would hurt but only for a second, and it would help him stay healthy and get to go to school and other fun stuff.  He gritted his teeth, got his needle, and then bragged about how awesome he was all day.  I think the fear comes when you say stuff "Don't worry it doesn't hurt," then it quite obviously DOES hurt.
 
2014-02-28 03:34:29 PM  
Natural selection is being derailed.
 
2014-02-28 03:34:49 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Apparently it has had some effect.

What would be better is simply not allowing non-medical waivers, period.

Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?


Haven't you noticed the periodic outbreaks of diseases that should be stopped in their tracks by vaccination?
 
Ant
2014-02-28 03:34:56 PM  

Slackfumasta: It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.


This is a public health consideration. All the morons refusing to vaccinate for bogus reasons are putting everyone at risk.
 
2014-02-28 03:35:42 PM  

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Because not everybody who gets vaccinated becomes immune.  The unvaccinated can still pass the disease to the vaccinated.
 
2014-02-28 03:36:50 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.


I'm not going to lie.  I had to look up the word sawbones.  But now that I did, I'll be using it every day...forever.
 
2014-02-28 03:37:27 PM  
Still mad about the hippy dips who believe in evolution, yet refuse to vaccinate at all.

I mean really the avg life span of a generation of bacteria is 40 minutes, max, and you're okay with ruining everyone else's protection against this breed of bacteria? Eff you.
 
2014-02-28 03:38:33 PM  

Diogenes: Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


Well, if my child got pregnant I would consider abortion to be a healthy alternative to forcing her too young body to endure a pregnancy.  Are you some sort of monster?
 
2014-02-28 03:39:47 PM  

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.

In your case the vaccine may well have caused retardation.

Weak.


Says the guy who thinks that herd immunity is passed on 'thrucontact' to unvaccinated people and who doesn't understand that you need to vaccinate everyone so as not to allow the pathogen to evolve.

You'll understand that we're just going to point at you and laugh about this.
 
2014-02-28 03:41:03 PM  

This text is now purple: sigdiamond2000: If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

You probably should, in that the fatal side-effects usually happen to someone else.


Who exactly?
 
2014-02-28 03:41:47 PM  

Tigger: You'll understand that we're just going to point at you and laugh about this.


He's been vaccinated for several forms of understanding it seems.
 
2014-02-28 03:41:54 PM  

SuperTramp: I wonder what the anti-vaxxers would do if a vaccination against autism was to be developed...


Their heads would explode like a watermelon in a Gallagher act!
 
2014-02-28 03:42:35 PM  
historicalhistrionics.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-28 03:42:53 PM  

Ant: All the morons refusing to vaccinate for bogus reasons are putting everyone at risk.


they are biological terrorists.
 
2014-02-28 03:43:09 PM  
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm

And yet, only 23% of American adults are willing to get a flu shot.

But I'm sure on Fark it's definitely 100%.
 
Ant
2014-02-28 03:43:16 PM  

Diogenes: Riiiiight.  There certainly aren't any hippy dippy all natural liberal idiots against putting government mandated poisons in their kids.


I'm what you might call a liberal, but I'd say it's probably mostly hippy-dippy types who are the bulk of the problem.
 
2014-02-28 03:43:24 PM  

nocturnal001: Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.


Done in one.

My kid was exposed to whooping cough at daycare (before he was allowed to get the vaccine) because there are too many farktards out there listening to Jenny McCarthy.

Vaccines should be mandatory, at least to be allowed to attend public schools and daycares.


My son got the Whooping Cough even though he had been vaccinated because vaccines are not 100% effective.  Luckily, it wasn't so bad, and he was healthy enough, that it didn't pose a great risk.  But he had one really crappy winter, exposed his family and friends to the disease, and we spent a lot of time (and money) at the doctor's office and pharmacy trying to figure out what the problem was and whether there was a medication that would work (because the doctor didn't considering Whooping Cough a real possibility).
 
2014-02-28 03:44:49 PM  

H31N0US: Mikey1969: [imgick.oregonlive.com image 620x487]

Godammit, there is NO REASON to let your kid be that farking scared of the whole farking process. Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time. As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it. I've raised 3 kids this way, and while they've left unhappy, and a couple of time close to tears, they've NEVER tried to jump out of their skin scared to death like this, as an added bonus, my daughter has been offering to hold YOUR hand if she thinks that you're going through something that is going to hurt you since she's been 3...

Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.

My kid just sits there and watches. Last time she cried was at 18 months. Now that she understands more about what's going on she's actually very curious about it.


My kid just says "ow ow ow" and then gets a sticker and we go get a happy meal. He's 3 and hasn't cried about it since he was six months old. To be fair, I say "ow" too when I get my flu shot.
 
2014-02-28 03:44:51 PM  

Loren: Haven't you noticed the periodic outbreaks of diseases that should be stopped in their tracks by vaccination?


Shh!  Let us only speak of chickenpox, for which vaccination has been effective, but which...sh*t, what was Ficoce's point again?
 
2014-02-28 03:45:10 PM  

tlars699: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.

Dude; Viruses and bacteria change and adapt and, dare I say it?, EVOLVE over time.
In order to keep people from getting polio, you have to have a greater than half percentage(don't know exact #') to prevent the disease transferring around enough to mutate so that it could kill anybody, including those previously vaccinated.
 It's still Polio- Just a different breed of Polio.

Like the flu- you need a new vaccine every year, because it is so adaptable.


They do not create a new Polio vaccine every year.
 
2014-02-28 03:45:43 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Normally I'd be shocked by someone that callous about their children but I took a Tripadviser survey yesterday that repeatedly asked whether I would cut back on my child's education or after-school activities to fund my vacation.


Tripadviser survery questions #38
Have you cheated on your significant other?  Would you like to?

Tripadviser survery questions #39
Do you have elderly parents in a nursing home?  If you pay for their care, would you be willing to reduce the quality of that nursing home?
 
2014-02-28 03:45:55 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-28 03:47:33 PM  

Civchic: Yeah.  My kid (4.5) is the biggest suck in the entire world.  Literally - a sliver in his foot will make you think someone cut the kid's toe off.  It's embarrassing.  ;)  But before he got his last set of needles, I told him exactly what the doctor would do, that it would hurt but only for a second, and it would help him stay healthy and get to go to school and other fun stuff.  He gritted his teeth, got his needle, and then bragged about how awesome he was all day.  I think the fear comes when you say stuff "Don't worry it doesn't hurt," then it quite obviously DOES hurt.


Yeah, I think lying to kids is worse than people think. Sure, I tell 'em about Santa, the Easter bunny, the Tooth Fairy, but I don't lie to them about a doctor's visit not hurting, and stuff like that. I'll even tell them that things might get scary if they were ever going to have to get something like an MRI(God, those SUCK), but I'm not going to lie.
 
2014-02-28 03:48:44 PM  

Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.

In your case the vaccine may well have caused retardation.

Weak.

Says the guy who thinks that herd immunity is passed on 'thrucontact' to unvaccinated people and who doesn't understand that you need to vaccinate everyone so as not to allow the pathogen to evolve.

You'll understand that we're just going to point at you and laugh about this.


So you are saying HPV immunity cannot be achieved by this?9
 
Ant
2014-02-28 03:49:19 PM  

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


For the millionth time, this is the problem:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
 
2014-02-28 03:51:27 PM  

mcreadyblue: tlars699: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.

Dude; Viruses and bacteria change and adapt and, dare I say it?, EVOLVE over time.
In order to keep people from getting polio, you have to have a greater than half percentage(don't know exact #') to prevent the disease transferring around enough to mutate so that it could kill anybody, including those previously vaccinated.
 It's still Polio- Just a different breed of Polio.

Like the flu- you need a new vaccine every year, because it is so adaptable.

They do not create a new Polio vaccine every year.


The facepalm looms, unforgiving.
 
2014-02-28 03:53:44 PM  

thamike: Diogenes: thamike: [goias24horas.com.br image 620x357]

Hey, I stayed in character for a full three posts.  That's a record for me!

;-)

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x478]Let's get into character.


Oh my god.... This! This is why I love fark comments sooooo much!
 
Ant
2014-02-28 03:53:55 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Normally I'd be shocked by someone that callous about their children but I took a Tripadviser survey yesterday that repeatedly asked whether I would cut back on my child's education or after-school activities to fund my vacation.


WTF?

/Unless you were cutting little league to take your kid to The Smithsonian or something. That'd be fine with me.
 
2014-02-28 03:56:09 PM  

The Singing Bush: Prof. Frink: darth_badger: ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."

Insert an infomercial ....

I like how many people I know still think that thing was designed for making smoothies and milkshakes.

OK, I'll bite.  What was it really designed for?


Hint: why do you think she's smiling like that in the picture.
 
2014-02-28 03:56:50 PM  

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.

In your case the vaccine may well have caused retardation.

Weak.

Says the guy who thinks that herd immunity is passed on 'thrucontact' to unvaccinated people and who doesn't understand that you need to vaccinate everyone so as not to allow the pathogen to evolve.

You'll understand that we're just going to point at you and laugh about this.

So you are saying HPV immunity cannot be achieved by this?


. I'm not even sure what the fark you mean by that question. The answer; however, is that you don't know anything about what you're saying.
 
2014-02-28 03:57:23 PM  
Wow, shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?

Not long ago, the liberals were all up in arms about the issue of compulsory vaccinations.
Having the scar on your shoulder was a sign that you were a mindless tool of the establishment and were no better than cattle.
Anything the government did was seen with suspicion, even if it was for the good of the society as a whole and it drove a generation to demand government accountability and to value the inclusiveness of all people.
It's how we got mandatory diversity, equal opportunity employment, welfare, a convoluted, politically motivated census, and everything the government prints is now in more languages than most people can even identify.  The list goes on and on.
The point is, we were striving for a more homogeneous society but that became a target for those who felt they were hopelessly disenfranchised from that society.  Great strides were made to remedy that.  It's not perfect yet and it could never be.
Now, unfortunately, society has gone 180 degrees and sees government as the way to force their views on those they see as lesser than themselves.  The exact same thing that they were supposedly victims of in the past.

Scary thing is, there doesn't seem to be any voice of reason, understanding, or compassion, coming from the left at all.

You either stand with them or you're against them and they've a great big bag of names to brand you with if they even think you are not 100% on their side.
Where before we saw public outcry for education,equality and justice as a way to uplift everyone and foster understanding, now we hear, "Abolish their religion, shut down their businesses, tax them into poverty, publicly humiliate them, take their children, and force them into rehabilitation!"

The future is yours, do with it what you will.  From my point of view, you are getting off to a really crappy start.
 
Ant
2014-02-28 03:59:28 PM  

flondrix: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Combine this law with making the vaccines available at the school nurse's office, and you have a tool useful against busy and/or lazy parents:  "Either you can provide the school with proof that you have watched this hour long video, or you can simply give us permission over the phone right now to have the school nurse stick little Bratlea with a needle, and forget about the whole thing."


Am I the only one whose school took us on a bus to be vaccinated? This was in the 70s in SLC Utah.
 
2014-02-28 04:00:04 PM  

Farty McPooPants: Wow, shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?

Not long ago, the liberals were all up in arms about the issue of compulsory vaccinations.
Having the scar on your shoulder was a sign that you were a mindless tool of the establishment and were no better than cattle.
Anything the government did was seen with suspicion, even if it was for the good of the society as a whole and it drove a generation to demand government accountability and to value the inclusiveness of all people.
It's how we got mandatory diversity, equal opportunity employment, welfare, a convoluted, politically motivated census, and everything the government prints is now in more languages than most people can even identify.  The list goes on and on.
The point is, we were striving for a more homogeneous society but that became a target for those who felt they were hopelessly disenfranchised from that society.  Great strides were made to remedy that.  It's not perfect yet and it could never be.
Now, unfortunately, society has gone 180 degrees and sees government as the way to force their views on those they see as lesser than themselves.  The exact same thing that they were supposedly victims of in the past.

Scary thing is, there doesn't seem to be any voice of reason, understanding, or compassion, coming from the left at all.

You either stand with them or you're against them and they've a great big bag of names to brand you with if they even think you are not 100% on their side.
Where before we saw public outcry for education,equality and justice as a way to uplift everyone and foster understanding, now we hear, "Abolish their religion, shut down their businesses, tax them into poverty, publicly humiliate them, take their children, and force them into rehabilitation!"

The future is yours, do with it what you will.  From my point of view, you are getting off to a really crappy start.


I hope you choose to wear your crash helmet to dinner before it becomes compulsory, in order to insure the safety of those around you.
 
2014-02-28 04:03:09 PM  

meat0918: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.


Of course, I can't find the article, but I read it, too.  It said that kids with no vaccinations are more likely to have educated white mothers, while kids who are undervaccinated are more likely to have poor non-white mothers.  Basically, poor mothers are less likely to get all of their children's vaccines because they are less likely to take their children to the doctor every year for a physical (ie: no time, no money and no insurance).  Educated white mothers just refuse the vaccines from day 1 because apparently, their education didn't teach them a damn thing about epidemics.

/educated white mother
//both of my kids are up-to-date of their vaccines
///fark idiots who think getting the chicken pox or mumps is 'no big deal'
////have a friend who is deaf in one ear because of chicken pox
 
2014-02-28 04:07:20 PM  
This is why people should be vaccinated. It isn't all about you.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/100-cancer-patients-may-have-bee n- exposed-measles/ndsPm/
 
2014-02-28 04:07:33 PM  

Farty McPooPants: Wow, shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?

Not long ago, the liberals were all up in arms about the issue of compulsory vaccinations.
Having the scar on your shoulder was a sign that you were a mindless tool of the establishment and were no better than cattle.
Anything the government did was seen with suspicion, even if it was for the good of the society as a whole and it drove a generation to demand government accountability and to value the inclusiveness of all people.
It's how we got mandatory diversity, equal opportunity employment, welfare, a convoluted, politically motivated census, and everything the government prints is now in more languages than most people can even identify.  The list goes on and on.
The point is, we were striving for a more homogeneous society but that became a target for those who felt they were hopelessly disenfranchised from that society.  Great strides were made to remedy that.  It's not perfect yet and it could never be.
Now, unfortunately, society has gone 180 degrees and sees government as the way to force their views on those they see as lesser than themselves.  The exact same thing that they were supposedly victims of in the past.

Scary thing is, there doesn't seem to be any voice of reason, understanding, or compassion, coming from the left at all.

You either stand with them or you're against them and they've a great big bag of names to brand you with if they even think you are not 100% on their side.
Where before we saw public outcry for education,equality and justice as a way to uplift everyone and foster understanding, now we hear, "Abolish their religion, shut down their businesses, tax them into poverty, publicly humiliate them, take their children, and force them into rehabilitation!"

The future is yours, do with it what you will.  From my point of view, you are getting off to a really crappy start.


You have a tricorn hat with an American flag pattern on it don't you?
 
2014-02-28 04:09:26 PM  
Does the video consist of 600 repetitions of "Wakefield was a fraud and Jenny is an ignorant biatch" ?
 
2014-02-28 04:11:09 PM  

Graffito: Diogenes: Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.

Well, if my child got pregnant I would consider abortion to be a healthy alternative to forcing her too young body to endure a pregnancy.  Are you some sort of monster?


Yes.  A fake troll in this case.
 
2014-02-28 04:11:14 PM  

Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?


Pharmaceutical companies make a farkload more if you get sick than from a vaccine. If you get polio or measles or whatever, they are going to make a hell of a lot more money than if they give you a $1 shot.
 
2014-02-28 04:11:52 PM  

machoprogrammer: Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.

Actually there are more hippy dippy liberal types that don't vaccinate (because of the Big Pharma conspiracy and the autism bullshiat that Dr. Mercola pushes) than conservatives. There are some conservative types, too, but the left wing derps outweigh the right wing derps in this case


Yeah, citation farking needed.  It isn't liberals who have spent the last 50 years waging an open war on science.
 
2014-02-28 04:12:51 PM  

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net
 
2014-02-28 04:14:16 PM  
I am dumber for having read 99% of these comments, Fark. Shame on you.

/vaccinate your damn children
 
2014-02-28 04:14:43 PM  

Prof. Frink: The Singing Bush: Prof. Frink: darth_badger: ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."

Insert an infomercial ....

I like how many people I know still think that thing was designed for making smoothies and milkshakes.

OK, I'll bite.  What was it really designed for?

Hint: why do you think she's smiling like that in the picture.


Because she likes guacamole?  Just because it has a similar name as another product doesn't mean they are derivatives of each other.
 
2014-02-28 04:15:45 PM  

Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.


This.
 
2014-02-28 04:17:07 PM  

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


My cousin's baby with a heart transplant can't get live vaccines.

Herd immunity protects her.

Unless morans don't vaccinate their kids.
 
2014-02-28 04:17:27 PM  

Ant: Am I the only one whose school took us on a bus to be vaccinated? This was in the 70s in SLC Utah.


I was never taken off-site to be vaccinated.  They just marched the whole class to an office in the same school building and jabbed everybody, assembly-line style.
 
2014-02-28 04:22:02 PM  

Farty McPooPants: Wow, shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?

... blah blah blah...


I am not going to respond to anyone with a name like Farty McPooPants.  At least Diogenes makes you think there's some classical learning underneath the trolling.
 
2014-02-28 04:25:49 PM  

flondrix: Ant: Am I the only one whose school took us on a bus to be vaccinated? This was in the 70s in SLC Utah.

I was never taken off-site to be vaccinated.  They just marched the whole class to an office in the same school building and jabbed everybody, assembly-line style.


They did that at my kid's school with the swine flu in 2009, but you had to sign your child up for it.
 
2014-02-28 04:25:55 PM  
Hmmm. Gun nut thread or vaccine thread? Gun nuts? Anti-vaxxers?

Anti-vaxxers it is.
 
2014-02-28 04:35:30 PM  

Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?


So your argument is that we shouldn't vaccinate kids because vaccines are too effective?
 
2014-02-28 04:35:53 PM  

flondrix: Ant: Am I the only one whose school took us on a bus to be vaccinated? This was in the 70s in SLC Utah.

I was never taken off-site to be vaccinated.  They just marched the whole class to an office in the same school building and jabbed everybody, assembly-line style.


I remember that in kindergarten in 1977. That memory is particularly vivid for some reason.
 
2014-02-28 04:42:50 PM  

Diogenes: Typical libs. You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.  Hypocrites, the lot of you.


I am totally fine with women getting abortions being forced to listen to their doctors explain the consequences of an abortion (or any other surgical procedure) that they might be considering.   Every doctor should always fully inform their patients about the effects and side effects of an operation and the possible things that could go wrong during the procedure.

I'm not fine with forced ultrasounds.  That isn't needed to understand the consequences of an abortion.

I'm not fine with people not immunizing their children.   If they choose not to, I believe it's fine for a school to require the parents to become educated on the subject before they sign a waiver.
 
2014-02-28 04:43:38 PM  

Diogenes: thamike: [goias24horas.com.br image 620x357]

Hey, I stayed in character for a full three posts.  That's a record for me!

;-)


I was beginning to wonder what the hell was going on.
 
2014-02-28 04:49:37 PM  

o'really: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

My cousin's baby with a heart transplant can't get live vaccines.

Herd immunity protects her.

Unless morans don't vaccinate their kids.


There is a much more common example:  Pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine is recommended for a certain age but it can kill children younger than that age, including newborns.  The only way to protect newborns from whooping cough is to make sure that everyone they come into contact with has been vaccinated.
 
2014-02-28 04:50:00 PM  
I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.
 
2014-02-28 04:51:18 PM  

Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.


Haven't read the whole thread yet, but just in case this wasn't added to, allow me;

Until the full course of shots is administered, some young children are still at risk.
 
2014-02-28 04:52:57 PM  

mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


The law never said it had to be a transvaginal ultrasound -- someone took the idea that "12 weeks and under means a transvaginal ultrasound is required" and ran with it. (Not true, incidentally -- transvaginal is handy for very early pregnancies and also things like ectopics, which can be hard to visualize and are VERY important to locate quickly).

As for the law -- well, it would be great if it worked, but if it's not going to affect homeschoolers (and any alternative schools which don't HAVE to demand proof of vaccination) I doubt it will change much, which would be a shame.
 
2014-02-28 04:54:05 PM  
Just why Oregon ranks so high is hard to decipher.

uh, no it's not.
 
2014-02-28 04:54:34 PM  

doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though


I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!
 
2014-02-28 04:55:32 PM  

RenownedCurator: As for the law -- well, it would be great if it worked, but if it's not going to affect homeschoolers (and any alternative schools which don't HAVE to demand proof of vaccination) I doubt it will change much, which would be a shame.


At least those kids disease vectors won't be attending the public schools.  That's something.
 
2014-02-28 04:58:13 PM  
Also, I live in Seattle, and there is a VERY, VERY high rate of non-vaccination at some of the schools near me -- I get worried that if a bad form of measles or something catches hold, a third of neighbourhood kids may go down with it and take any kids whose vaccinations didn't take, or who have medical issues, right down with them. I can assure you that my neighbourhood is in no way conservative, however it is chock-full of educated white people who have mistaken their expertise in their own fields for expertise in everything, including medicine. This really is not as simple as "righties are anti-science, therefore they're the non-vaxers" no matter how much you might want to think it is.
 
2014-02-28 05:01:51 PM  

mcreadyblue: tlars699: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.

Dude; Viruses and bacteria change and adapt and, dare I say it?, EVOLVE over time.
In order to keep people from getting polio, you have to have a greater than half percentage(don't know exact #') to prevent the disease transferring around enough to mutate so that it could kill anybody, including those previously vaccinated.
 It's still Polio- Just a different breed of Polio.

Like the flu- you need a new vaccine every year, because it is so adaptable.

They do not create a new Polio vaccine every year.


Okay- My phrasing was poor, but what I meant to say: You need to create a new vaccine for the flu every year because it's so adaptable.

I was pretty sure it was clear. But I made it clearerer. For you.
 
2014-02-28 05:09:07 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.


We already have PSAs and constant reminders that drunk driving kills.  It's saturated us.  The government already does that, and MADD and other orgs pick up the slack when they feel the government hasn't done its job.  We have ads on the radio reminding people police will be "cracking down" around holidays and other major events.

I haven't seen a similar push for vaccinations, like ever.

It wasn't until a couple years after I had kids (mine are 9 and 7 now) that I even heard there were people that choose not to vaccinate their children.  Even now, the concept still boggles my mind.

Vaccination is one of the greatest achievements in medicine, so effective in fact, that we have many parents wondering why they are still necessary.
 
2014-02-28 05:09:26 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.


We were forced to watch that as part of our Driver's Education course. I say your point is invalidated.
 
2014-02-28 05:12:18 PM  

meat0918: Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.

We already have PSAs and constant reminders that drunk driving kills.  It's saturated us.  The government already does that, and MADD and other orgs pick up the slack when they feel the government hasn't done its job.  We have ads on the radio reminding people police will be "cracking down" around holidays and other major events.



So if someone is forced to watch the vaccination video it will work as well as this saturation of drunk driving PSAs have decreased drunk driving?

Okay, now I feel safe.
 
2014-02-28 05:12:34 PM  

Shazam999: Agent Nick Fury: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?

No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

It's the way we roll.

At some point parents have to take responsibility for their children.

In NA polio epidemics happened so long ago that people have forgotten that whole *cities* were shut down because of them.


I know someone whose body is bent and broken from Polio, hang on a sec, I'm gonna go ask him if he wishes he'd been vaccinated?
 
2014-02-28 05:14:12 PM  

RenownedCurator: The law never said it had to be a transvaginal ultrasound -- someone took the idea that "12 weeks and under means a transvaginal ultrasound is required" and ran with it.



Actually, the original bill did mandate transvaginal ultrasounds when necessary, it was only after the media, including Fox News and other Republican-leaning outlets, "ran with it" that they passed an amendment stating that transvaginal ultrasound would be done only with consent, and the final text was limited to abdominal ultrasounds alone.
 
2014-02-28 05:14:25 PM  

tlars699: Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.

We were forced to watch that as part of our Driver's Education course. I say your point is invalidated.


You got me there.

With so many schools teaching driver's education this should no longer be a problem.
 
2014-02-28 05:19:18 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!


Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.
 
2014-02-28 05:20:57 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: tlars699: Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.

We were forced to watch that as part of our Driver's Education course. I say your point is invalidated.

You got me there.

With so many schools teaching driver's education this should no longer be a problem.


Too bad alcohol impairs decisions.  "I'm good to drive" when they absolutely are not, and don't care if they are not, from someone who is drunk is far too common of a statement.
 
2014-02-28 05:22:30 PM  

tlars699: HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!

Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.


Um...wtf are you talking about??? I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least! A PAP smear is worse imo.
 
2014-02-28 05:24:10 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: tlars699: Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.

We were forced to watch that as part of our Driver's Education course. I say your point is invalidated.

You got me there.

With so many schools teaching driver's education this should no longer be a problem.


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1. Driver's Ed: one of the first classes to get cut from school program, even before arts fartsy classes. Because DMV's.
2. This video is actually effective at what it does. It may do to repeat it's use every so often. Say every time you have to renew your drivers license.
Other reasons this is nothing like vaccination video idea: Because people don't just drink at a bar. And not everyone who drinks at a bar will drive home.

But everyone who drives is able to get drunk, even illegally, and then might use a vehicle.
 
2014-02-28 05:24:55 PM  

Shazam999: Agent Nick Fury: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?

No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

It's the way we roll.

At some point parents have to take responsibility for their children.

In NA polio epidemics happened so long ago that people have forgotten that whole *cities* were shut down because of them.


My grandmother had polio, and given that, my mom was always Johnny-on-the-spot when it came to our vaccinations. Polio crippled my nana, so that she walked with a cane or a severe limp. My mom always said that if she could protect her children better than her mother was protected, she would. And consequently I feel the same way. My mom developed whooping cough when she was 5-6, and she said she remembered coughing so hard that the back of her throat was shredded, and there were times when she was sure she would die because she just couldn't catch her breath. How scary for a child.

I think that people whose families haven't been affected by communicable diseases are less apt to believe in vaccines. Those of us who have seen (or heard) of the tolls that things like rubella and whooping cough can take on a person are pretty damned eager to get protected.
 
2014-02-28 05:25:13 PM  
i.imgur.com

Stay strong, girlfriend.

If the kids on the Internet are attacking and mocking you, you know you're doing something right.


www.northeastdemocrats.org
 
2014-02-28 05:28:19 PM  

boyofd: nocturnal001: Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.


Done in one.

My kid was exposed to whooping cough at daycare (before he was allowed to get the vaccine) because there are too many farktards out there listening to Jenny McCarthy.

Vaccines should be mandatory, at least to be allowed to attend public schools and daycares.

My son got the Whooping Cough even though he had been vaccinated because vaccines are not 100% effective.  Luckily, it wasn't so bad, and he was healthy enough, that it didn't pose a great risk.  But he had one really crappy winter, exposed his family and friends to the disease, and we spent a lot of time (and money) at the doctor's office and pharmacy trying to figure out what the problem was and whether there was a medication that would work (because the doctor didn't considering Whooping Cough a real possibility).


Did you sue the parents who didn't vaccinate their sprog for the medical expenses?
 
2014-02-28 05:30:05 PM  

haolegirl: tlars699: HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!

Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.

Um...wtf are you talking about??? I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least! A PAP smear is worse imo.


Well, did you ever get yours done at an abortion clinic(me:once)? Do you have my vagina/cervix, or are connected to it in any periphery? No?
Any time I've had t.v. us, it sucks, I felt the clicks, it's in way too far "so they can get a better picture", and it's effin' freezing. Then again, most of my clinicians have been dudes.

And Pap smears are Awful. The q-tip feels like a fingernail scraping a microphone, with me as the microphone; not getting into the brushy swab. *shudder*
 
2014-02-28 05:31:20 PM  

haolegirl: I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least!


http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/12/woman-sues-hospital-claimin g- vaginal-ultrasound-felt-like-rape/
 
2014-02-28 05:39:33 PM  
This is obviously very important so why trifle with these half measures? If someone refuses their injections, arrest them and forcibly inject them in jail. We can't afford to take chances with this sort of thing.
 
2014-02-28 05:41:34 PM  

tlars699: haolegirl: tlars699: HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!

Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.

Um...wtf are you talking about??? I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least! A PAP smear is worse imo.

Well, did you ever get yours done at an abortion clinic(me:once)? Do you have my vagina/cervix, or are connected to it in any periphery? No?
Any time I've had t.v. us, it sucks, I felt the clicks, it's in way too far "so they can get a better picture", and it's effin' freezing. Then again, most of my clinicians have been dudes.

And Pap smears are Awful. The q-tip feels like a fingernail scraping a microphone, with me as the microphone; not getting into the brushy swab. *shudder*


Yes, I did...not the one yesterday either. Have had several in just the last two years. This was my fourth blighted ovum. Idk who did yours, but find a new technician!
 
2014-02-28 05:43:21 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.


If ti were autism juice, there'd be less cases of autism compared to as early as 30 years ago, not more.

Because we've only been giving all of these vaccines for like 100 years now. At the least.
 
2014-02-28 05:43:46 PM  

katerbug72: To be fair, I say "ow" too when I get my flu shot.


I don't get the shots anymore.  Once I found out about the inhaler, I just wait for them to dispense with that.
 
2014-02-28 05:45:10 PM  
Not-so-CSB:

Bad: 2 years ago, my SIL came down with whooping cough.
Really bad: She didn't go see a doctor until she'd been coughing for two months.
Really really bad: She continued to go to work while sick, even after she'd been diagnosed and was told by her doctor to stay home for a week.
"Jesus H. Christ tap dancing on a cracker!!" bad: She's an elementary school principal at a public school in a major metropolitan area.
"Someone needs to beat you with a lead pipe" bad: She didn't understand until I explained it to her in easy-enough-for-a-two-year-old-to-understand terms that she posed a significant public health risk ("It's just a cough...").

Naturally, she's an anti-vaxxer.

/CSB
 
2014-02-28 05:51:50 PM  

jigger: This is obviously very important so why trifle with these half measures?


Because the constitution protects your freedom* to choose accept or decline certain medical procedures without having random things forcibly jammed into your body by jackbooted government thugs.

*This freedom is no longer offered in Republican-controlled states.
 
2014-02-28 05:52:11 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 630x823]

Stay strong, girlfriend.

If the kids on the Internet are attacking and mocking you, you know you're doing something right.


[www.northeastdemocrats.org image 300x320]


Trolpalm.
 
2014-02-28 06:02:03 PM  

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.


Because anti-abortion tactics try and portray an unthinking bundle of cells as a conscious human being, and try to shame women who may not have the capacity to raise a child into thinking that they're murderers.

On the other hand, it might be a good idea to try and educate people on why vaccination is a good idea, for individuals and society as a whole.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

The problem is that the sides are medical science, and the uneducated.
 
2014-02-28 06:06:04 PM  

doloresonthedottedline: ///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though


A few years ago friend of mine had an abortion after her fetus was diagnosed with some pretty severe deformities from a random genetic mutation not screened for in an earlier amnio. Part of the process of getting government approval involved watching an online video. The sucky part was, here she was with a horribly deformed fetus, that if it lived would never be normal and most probably life would be painful and short, and she was forced by law to watch a video about normal childhood development (up through teens) ie. "this is what your child will be doing at age 12 years old if you allow it to live!"
 
2014-02-28 06:09:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.


Pro abortion people should be happy about anti vaxers. You obviously want to kill more kids right?
 
2014-02-28 06:15:25 PM  

Diogenes: Typical libs.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.


Sure. Vaccine = abortion. Save a life = extinguish a life.

/try again
 
2014-02-28 06:15:40 PM  
teenytinycornteeth:
I'm not going to lie.  I had to look up the word sawbones.  But now that I did, I'll be using it every day...forever.

That's the origin of Leonard "Bones" McCoy's nickname. Bones is short for sawbones.
 
2014-02-28 06:18:45 PM  

MustangFive: Bad: 2 years ago, my SIL came down with whooping cough.
Really bad: She didn't go see a doctor until she'd been coughing for two months.
Really really bad: She continued to go to work while sick, even after she'd been diagnosed and was told by her doctor to stay home for a week.


The contagious phase is prior to the onset of the worst of the coughing. The cough is from damage done by the disease to the cilia in the bronchial tubes. Which is why cough suppressants mostly don't work.
 
2014-02-28 06:26:31 PM  

itsaidwhat: Diogenes: Typical libs.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.

Sure. Vaccine = abortion. Save a life = extinguish a life.

/try again


Man, this late and still hooking them, well done Diogenes
 
2014-02-28 06:27:08 PM  

MustangFive: Not-so-CSB:

Bad: 2 years ago, my SIL came down with whooping cough.
Really bad: She didn't go see a doctor until she'd been coughing for two months.
Really really bad: She continued to go to work while sick, even after she'd been diagnosed and was told by her doctor to stay home for a week.
"Jesus H. Christ tap dancing on a cracker!!" bad: She's an elementary school principal at a public school in a major metropolitan area.
"Someone needs to beat you with a lead pipe" bad: She didn't understand until I explained it to her in easy-enough-for-a-two-year-old-to-understand terms that she posed a significant public health risk ("It's just a cough...").

Naturally, she's an anti-vaxxer.

/CSB


That makes me want to strangle her. How many people did she infect at the school?
 
2014-02-28 06:30:24 PM  

RedVentrue: HotWingConspiracy: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.

Pro abortion people should be happy about anti vaxers. You obviously want to kill more kids right?


People who are pro- choice aren't necessarily pro abortion. I think elective abortions without a medical reason are a horrible thing to do, and I could never consider it, but I'm not going to tell someone else what's right for them.

That being said, they're apples and oranges.
 
2014-02-28 06:30:52 PM  

Lsherm: katerbug72: To be fair, I say "ow" too when I get my flu shot.

I don't get the shots anymore.  Once I found out about the inhaler, I just wait for them to dispense with that.


Nice. I wonder if my area will have that next season? I've never seen it offered. Needles don't bother me much but my son and husband would really appreciate it.

/lol at the nose masks
 
2014-02-28 06:35:31 PM  

hagar129: Natural selection is being derailed.


An anti-vaxxer once me something like this (only I hope she totally misunderstood).  In 1998 she was a follower (Mormon) of some religious guy who railed against vaccines because they were  "making the population weaker". She didn't understand that his words would be would be true only in that children (but the "weak" ones!) would be killed or sterilized (or perhaps visibly crippled and therefore unattractive to the opposite sex and therefore reproducing at a reduced rate) by the diseases the vaccines protect against. Very Nazi. I think she still doesn't understand it.
 
2014-02-28 06:37:48 PM  

Walosi: hagar129: Natural selection is being derailed.

An anti-vaxxer once me something like this (only I hope she totally misunderstood).  In 1998 she was a follower (Mormon) of some religious guy who railed against vaccines because they were  "making the population weaker". She didn't understand that his words would be would be true only in that children (but the "weak" ones!) would be killed or sterilized (or perhaps visibly crippled and therefore unattractive to the opposite sex and therefore reproducing at a reduced rate) by the diseases the vaccines protect against. Very Nazi. I think she still doesn't understand it.


Mormons don't believe that. They are all pro vaccine.

Try again.
 
2014-02-28 06:53:44 PM  
Good idea, because your family doctor has nothing better to do than to counsel anti-vaxers who will reject the doctor's advice because they saw on Oprah that vaccines cause autism.
 
2014-02-28 06:55:26 PM  

itsaidwhat: Diogenes: Typical libs.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.

Sure. Vaccine = abortion. Save a life = extinguish a life.

/try again


We all know that the fetus is not considered to be alive, so abortion isn't extinguishing a life. Try again.
 
2014-02-28 06:59:13 PM  

Dr Dreidel: The one, teensy, tiny little problem I have with this is based on my own experience, a third of the world away.

When I started at UMD, I had to provide them proof of my vaccination records. I thought I had, but apparently, there was some piece missing, so they didn't have proof I was up-to-date (IIRC) on my MMR. (Funny enough, working at a hospital the year prior, I'd had to have my titer upped, since the MMR vaccine level was too low.)

Anyway, rather than get stuck AGAIN for the same damn thing (or, more likely, waiting for my doctor's office to RE-re-send the paperwork), I signed the "I have objections" paper and went on my merry.

// if I'd had to watch a video on top of that, it'd be worse than 47 Benghazis happening at the IRS building where they target conservatives


ASU didn't give me the option.  I was reasonably sure I was current on MMR, but didn't have the paperwork or any good way to get it.  I'd have signed any objection option they gave me, I didn't want to have a needle stuck in me.

I had to get the shot.  I nearly passed out, I think I scared the shiat out of the nurse.

At least I never have to do that again.

/Got insurance this year, for the first time in over 10 years.  Thanks, Obama!
//Had first doctor visit in over 10 years too.  He wanted to do blood tests "sometime" but told me there was no rush, since I'm healthy.
///Had the flu this year.  It sucked, I may get vaccinated next year.  But if I do, it'll be the mist, no needles.
 
2014-02-28 07:04:18 PM  

the ha ha guy: RenownedCurator: The law never said it had to be a transvaginal ultrasound -- someone took the idea that "12 weeks and under means a transvaginal ultrasound is required" and ran with it.


Actually, the original bill did mandate transvaginal ultrasounds when necessary, it was only after the media, including Fox News and other Republican-leaning outlets, "ran with it" that they passed an amendment stating that transvaginal ultrasound would be done only with consent, and the final text was limited to abdominal ultrasounds alone.


"When necessary" is not the same thing as "exclusively". If the embryo is less than six weeks or so along, it may be the only way to even see it. How many abortions are done at less than six weeks? That's two weeks past a missed period, assuming you even have a regular cycle. Note that I am not advocating for this position, merely saying that "transvaginal ultrasound when necessary" and "transvaginal ultrasound exclusively" are not the same thing, and the latter is what I was hearing from outraged friends who hadn't actually read the thing.

I've had those ultrasounds a number of times and they've never been painful, so I think a lot of it is about how good the technician is, not anything inherently wrong with the technology itself. And it can be, literally, lifesaving -- as anyone who's had an ectopic located with one can tell you.

On topic: anti-vaxxers are still idiots, and this legislation will probably be just about as effective as the abortion legislation has been.
 
2014-02-28 07:13:42 PM  
 
2014-02-28 07:30:51 PM  

RenownedCurator: "When necessary" is not the same thing as "exclusively". If the embryo is less than six weeks or so along, it may be the only way to even see it.


Nor did I imply that they are the same thing. But even Gov. Bob McDonnell and other Republicans said that the original bill did mandate a transvaginal ultrasound if an abdominal ultrasound was insufficient.

RenownedCurator: I've had those ultrasounds a number of times and they've never been painful, so I think a lot of it is about how good the technician is, not anything inherently wrong with the technology itself.


And when the abortion is for a pregnancy caused by rape, forcibly and violently inserting a long phallic-like object into the rape victim's vagina might not be the greatest idea.

Yes, I'm aware that some technicians are better than others in this regard, but it's not like a patient can watch a demonstration first to decide if they should go to a different clinic or request a different technician.
 
2014-02-28 07:31:47 PM  

haolegirl: tlars699: HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!

Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.

Um...wtf are you talking about??? I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least! A PAP smear is worse imo.


Pretty sure it depends on who does it. My mom had an ultrasound like that (she has a cyst or something, I dunno) and it was excruciating, so bad she was flinching nonstop, and the doctor and the person doing it didn't even pay attention to her saying it hurt. Had another one recently and it didn't hurt at all.
 
2014-02-28 07:32:43 PM  

Walosi: doloresonthedottedline: ///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

A few years ago friend of mine had an abortion after her fetus was diagnosed with some pretty severe deformities from a random genetic mutation not screened for in an earlier amnio. Part of the process of getting government approval involved watching an online video. The sucky part was, here she was with a horribly deformed fetus, that if it lived would never be normal and most probably life would be painful and short, and she was forced by law to watch a video about normal childhood development (up through teens) ie. "this is what your child will be doing at age 12 years old if you allow it to live!"


This is why I find it weird that people believe in an omniscient god. If one existed, politicians would be struck down the second things like this happened.
 
2014-02-28 07:36:26 PM  

katerbug72: That makes me want to strangle her. How many people did she infect at the school?


Just as a random addendum to that story: two years ago, I was talking with my GP about her doing my flu shot and asked her if there were any other vaccinations I should be getting while we were talking about it?  "Yes. There's a Whooping Cough epidemic in a bunch of schools out west..."  (We're about as east as east gets, so everywhere in NA is out west for us.) "... so that one's kind of important for teachers to renew this year."

That principal is a dumbass.
 
2014-02-28 07:36:49 PM  

katerbug72: http://www.modernalternativemama.com/blog/2014/01/23/more-proof-that- t he-vaccine-pusher-crowd-cant-think-critically/#.UxEjduOICSo

Holy hell, people are insane. The comments there.....I just...wow.


Dunning Kreuger in full effect
 
2014-02-28 07:51:22 PM  

kiwimoogle84: RedVentrue: HotWingConspiracy: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.

Pro abortion people should be happy about anti vaxers. You obviously want to kill more kids right?

People who are pro- choice aren't necessarily pro abortion. I think elective abortions without a medical reason are a horrible thing to do, and I could never consider it, but I'm not going to tell someone else what's right for them.

That being said, they're apples and oranges.


By that reasoning; it's perfectly fine for parents to not vax their kids. Give 'em a choice?
 
2014-02-28 07:52:26 PM  

jigger: itsaidwhat: Diogenes: Typical libs.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.

Sure. Vaccine = abortion. Save a life = extinguish a life.

/try again

We all know that the fetus is not considered to be alive, so abortion isn't extinguishing a life. Try again.


Of course it is. Try again.
 
2014-02-28 07:56:40 PM  
I'd like to add a quarantine provision to that law.  If after jumping through the hoops they still don't want to vaccinate, make it a requirement that they be placed under quarantine if they do contract a contagious disease.  That's what they used to do.
 
2014-02-28 07:59:43 PM  

RedVentrue: By that reasoning; it's perfectly fine for parents to not vax their kids. Give 'em a choice?


Was it ever stated that parent's don't have a choice?

This law only makes parents aware of the facts and risks of their choice not to vaccinate, just as some states have passed laws to make women aware of the facts and risks of their choice to end a pregnancy.
 
2014-02-28 08:06:30 PM  

Farty McPooPants: Wow, shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?

Not long ago, the liberals were all up in arms about the issue of compulsory vaccinations.
Having the scar on your shoulder was a sign that you were a mindless tool of the establishment and were no better than cattle.
Anything the government did was seen with suspicion, even if it was for the good of the society as a whole and it drove a generation to demand government accountability and to value the inclusiveness of all people.
It's how we got mandatory diversity, equal opportunity employment, welfare, a convoluted, politically motivated census, and everything the government prints is now in more languages than most people can even identify.  The list goes on and on.
The point is, we were striving for a more homogeneous society but that became a target for those who felt they were hopelessly disenfranchised from that society.  Great strides were made to remedy that.  It's not perfect yet and it could never be.
Now, unfortunately, society has gone 180 degrees and sees government as the way to force their views on those they see as lesser than themselves.  The exact same thing that they were supposedly victims of in the past.

Scary thing is, there doesn't seem to be any voice of reason, understanding, or compassion, coming from the left at all.

You either stand with them or you're against them and they've a great big bag of names to brand you with if they even think you are not 100% on their side.
Where before we saw public outcry for education,equality and justice as a way to uplift everyone and foster understanding, now we hear, "Abolish their religion, shut down their businesses, tax them into poverty, publicly humiliate them, take their children, and force them into rehabilitation!"

The future is yours, do with it what you will.  From my point of view, you are getting off to a really crappy start.


Are you a real person?
 
2014-02-28 08:07:34 PM  

RedVentrue: jigger: itsaidwhat: Diogenes: Typical libs.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.

Sure. Vaccine = abortion. Save a life = extinguish a life.

/try again

We all know that the fetus is not considered to be alive, so abortion isn't extinguishing a life. Try again.

Of course it is. Try again.


So it's a human life whose end was deliberate and premeditated?
 
2014-02-28 08:20:56 PM  

doloresonthedottedline: haolegirl: tlars699: HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!

Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.

Um...wtf are you talking about??? I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least! A PAP smear is worse imo.

Pretty sure it depends on who does it. My mom had an ultrasound like that (she has a cyst or something, I dunno) and it was excruciating, so bad she was flinching nonstop, and the doctor and the person doing it didn't even pay attention to her saying it hurt. Had another one recently and it didn't hurt at all.


If you have a preexisting painful medical condition, idk if it really matters who the technician is. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

Tv ultrasound, as performed as part of an OB scan only, doesn't hurt. The wand is inserted approximately 3" at most.
For other procedures, it possibly may need to be inserted further, idk, but this topic was specifically about an OB ultrasound done trans-vaginally.
 
2014-02-28 08:23:08 PM  
Everybody get in line to get your government shots. You used to have to join the Army for this!
 
2014-02-28 08:25:24 PM  

RedVentrue: kiwimoogle84: RedVentrue: HotWingConspiracy: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.

Pro abortion people should be happy about anti vaxers. You obviously want to kill more kids right?

People who are pro- choice aren't necessarily pro abortion. I think elective abortions without a medical reason are a horrible thing to do, and I could never consider it, but I'm not going to tell someone else what's right for them.

That being said, they're apples and oranges.

By that reasoning; it's perfectly fine for parents to not vax their kids. Give 'em a choice?


Apples and oranges, I said. Abortions don't affect anyone but you and the kid you're aborting. Non-vaccinated kids affect society as a whole.
 
2014-02-28 08:55:21 PM  

Dr Dreidel: The one, teensy, tiny little problem I have with this is based on my own experience, a third of the world away.

When I started at UMD, I had to provide them proof of my vaccination records. I thought I had, but apparently, there was some piece missing, so they didn't have proof I was up-to-date (IIRC) on my MMR. (Funny enough, working at a hospital the year prior, I'd had to have my titer upped, since the MMR vaccine level was too low.)

Anyway, rather than get stuck AGAIN for the same damn thing (or, more likely, waiting for my doctor's office to RE-re-send the paperwork), I signed the "I have objections" paper and went on my merry.

// if I'd had to watch a video on top of that, it'd be worse than 47 Benghazis happening at the IRS building where they target conservatives


So you didn't keep good track of your medical records, and somehow couldn't get copies transferred from the hospital you worked at?

I'm OK with you sacrificing an hour of your time, or getting re-stuck, or choosing to go elsewhere.

/ I sound sanctimonious but I have the same problem
// I've had all the vaccinations you need to go to Africa, but no clue where to get firm record
 
2014-02-28 09:00:21 PM  
I am massively pro choice and massively pro vaccine but this does give me the same icky feeling as those laws requiring you to get wanded or chat with a doctor before getting an abortion.
 
2014-02-28 09:02:02 PM  

udhq: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?

So your argument is that we shouldn't vaccinate kids because vaccines are too effective?


No, actually my argument is the facts show the way it was done before seems to work. After living here 50 years I seem to recall parents getting their kid inoculated without government involvement. Those that didn't? Well, where are the results of that? I look to the CDC, the people that keep track of this type of thing. Nothing odd there. No kids dying in the streets and stats look about the same everywhere within a few points.

So, where did did this hate come from toward people, yet to be named, who supposedly don't vaccinate their kids? And where did all this love for vaccinations come from? Vaccinations that sometimes don't work? And many times cause side effects that other nameless people say are negligible?

I might point to one heartfelt blog from someone that claimed to be a hippies kid; not being vaccinated that screwed everything about their life up, went viral, and touched the happy bits of people everywhere.

Now we have legislation, based not on need or common sense, but emotion. Bet if I dig deep enough I would find a Pharma lobby with fingers in the bill, internet propaganda, and the resulting hate - over nothing.

Nobody has anything to counter my point - other than attack.

That's my argument and  point.
 
2014-02-28 09:05:07 PM  

bborchar: meat0918: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.

Of course, I can't find the article, but I read it, too.


Thank you,. I was worried I was going crazy
 
2014-02-28 09:06:11 PM  

Ficoce: No, actually my argument is the facts show the way it was done before seems to work. After living here 50 years I seem to recall parents getting their kid inoculated without government involvement. Those that didn't? Well, where are the results of that? I look to the CDC, the people that keep track of this type of thing. Nothing odd there. No kids dying in the streets and stats look about the same everywhere within a few points.


Herd immunity.
 
2014-02-28 09:46:46 PM  
You know why there are less cases of polio today, It's not from taking vaccines, it's because cases previously diagnosed as polio are now classified as 'cerebral palsy', as 'Guillain-Barre syndrome' and even as 'muscular dystrophy.' Some are now called 'Hand, Foot and Mouth Disease', which can also cause paralysis. Recently the Coxsackie virus was found in cases of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which also can result in very polio-like symptoms of paralytic muscle damage. Follow the money.
 
2014-02-28 10:16:13 PM  

HawkEyes: I am massively pro choice and massively pro vaccine but this does give me the same icky feeling as those laws requiring you to get wanded or chat with a doctor before getting an abortion.


There is a huge difference between chatting with your doctor and being forced to have a TV ultrasound. You shouldn't lump them together, you are only making the lunatics feel like you are on their side.
 
2014-02-28 10:17:18 PM  
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2014-02-28 10:19:20 PM  

katerbug72: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

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And BTW, vaccines do not cause autism.
 
2014-02-28 10:40:14 PM  

the ha ha guy: Ficoce: No, actually my argument is the facts show the way it was done before seems to work. After living here 50 years I seem to recall parents getting their kid inoculated without government involvement. Those that didn't? Well, where are the results of that? I look to the CDC, the people that keep track of this type of thing. Nothing odd there. No kids dying in the streets and stats look about the same everywhere within a few points.

Herd immunity.


Thanks! Guess that proves there really wasn't a problem to legislate after all. The people of Oregon actually immunized themselves enough without government involvement.
 
2014-02-28 11:08:33 PM  

Ficoce: Thanks! Guess that proves there really wasn't a problem to legislate after all. The people of Oregon actually immunized themselves enough without government involvement.


Herd immunity only works when a large enough percentage of the population gets immunized.

Thanks to Oprah and her porn star BFF, that percentage is threatening to dip below the required threshold. When that happens, the disease will spread far enough that it can mutate and attack everyone, even those who have been already been immunized.

Also, watching a short video is not "government involvement", it's just a counter-argument to those who insist that the porn star knows more about disease control than the CDC. People are still completely free to make their own choice, as long as they're informed of the alternative. It's really no different than the anti-abortion videos women are forced to watch before getting an abortion.
 
2014-02-28 11:14:46 PM  
No, no, no, NO, NO, NO!

Let them do whatever they want, this is 'murica dammit. Just make sure all of them are rounded up and forced to live together in little plague villages away from the rest of us. Throw the people who want to do meth/crack/heroine legally, and watch too much Jackass and reality TV in there too.

STOP trying to save people from themselves and thwart Darwin people. Your misplaced, unearned kindness is the downfall of western civilization.
 
2014-02-28 11:19:48 PM  

Terrible Old Man: No, no, no, NO, NO, NO!

Let them do whatever they want, this is 'murica dammit. Just make sure all of them are rounded up and forced to live together in little plague villages away from the rest of us. Throw the people who want to do meth/crack/heroine legally, and watch too much Jackass and reality TV in there too.

STOP trying to save people from themselves and thwart Darwin people. Your misplaced, unearned kindness is the downfall of western civilization.


Why do you hate black people?
 
2014-03-01 12:15:13 AM  

Aestatis: Dr Dreidel: The one, teensy, tiny little problem I have with this is based on my own experience, a third of the world away.

When I started at UMD, I had to provide them proof of my vaccination records. I thought I had, but apparently, there was some piece missing, so they didn't have proof I was up-to-date (IIRC) on my MMR. (Funny enough, working at a hospital the year prior, I'd had to have my titer upped, since the MMR vaccine level was too low.)

Anyway, rather than get stuck AGAIN for the same damn thing (or, more likely, waiting for my doctor's office to RE-re-send the paperwork), I signed the "I have objections" paper and went on my merry.

// if I'd had to watch a video on top of that, it'd be worse than 47 Benghazis happening at the IRS building where they target conservatives

So you didn't keep good track of your medical records, and somehow couldn't get copies transferred from the hospital you worked at?

I'm OK with you sacrificing an hour of your time, or getting re-stuck, or choosing to go elsewhere.

/ I sound sanctimonious but I have the same problem
// I've had all the vaccinations you need to go to Africa, but no clue where to get firm record


There are no vaccinations reqd to go to "africa".

I went there recently and was unable to find a dr or clinic who had any idea of what i needed to get. My sis was living there and agreed no shots were needed.

Now if you are talking about a specific country, like south africa, which has had recent outbreaks of certain diseases, you need those specific vaccs. Yellow fever vacc was reqd to even have a layover there.
 
2014-03-01 12:26:48 AM  

Diogenes: You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully lied to about the consequences of an abortion.


FTFY!
 
2014-03-01 12:32:07 AM  

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


Are you seriously trying to walk down this road or are you just trolling?

Because 10/10 if the latter, f*ck off if the former.
 
2014-03-01 12:38:07 AM  

Ficoce: udhq: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?

So your argument is that we shouldn't vaccinate kids because vaccines are too effective?

No, actually my argument is the facts show the way it was done before seems to work. After living here 50 years I seem to recall parents getting their kid inoculated without government involvement. Those that didn't? Well, where are the results of that? I look to the CDC, the people that keep track of this type of thing. Nothing odd there. No kids dying in the streets and stats look about the same everywhere within a few points.

So, where did did this hate come from toward people, yet to be named, who supposedly don't vaccinate their kids? And where did all this love for vaccinations come from? Vaccinations that sometimes don't work? And many times cause side effects that other nameless people say are negligible?

I might point to one heartfelt blog from someone that claimed to be a hippies kid; not being vaccinated that screwed everything about their life up, went viral, and touched the happy bits of people everywhere.

Now we have legislation, based not on need or common sense, but emotion. Bet if I dig deep enough I would find a Pharma lobby with fingers in the bill, internet propaganda, and the resulting hate - over nothing.

Nobody has anything to counter my point - other than attack.

That's my argument and  point.


I think the reason people are so emotional about it is because anti-vaxxers are using pseudo-science to justify a major public health risk that is causing actual harm.

The rates of completely preventable illnesses- ones that were virtually unheard of in recent decades- have gone significantly up.

No, we are not in full-on pandemic...yet. If people continue to avoid getting vaccines, there is no question, it will happen. And it will be ugly.

While i might have had sympathy with your complaint that all you are getting is attacked- if that were in fact the case.

But all I've seen so far is people being exceptionally patient with you. I have seen you use attacks, obfuscation, putting words in other peoples mouths.

I'm not sure how to say it in simpler terms. It seems like many anti-vaxxers are resistant to the basics of reason and logic.
 
2014-03-01 12:43:46 AM  

o'really: Aestatis: Dr Dreidel: The one, teensy, tiny little problem I have with this is based on my own experience, a third of the world away.

When I started at UMD, I had to provide them proof of my vaccination records. I thought I had, but apparently, there was some piece missing, so they didn't have proof I was up-to-date (IIRC) on my MMR. (Funny enough, working at a hospital the year prior, I'd had to have my titer upped, since the MMR vaccine level was too low.)

Anyway, rather than get stuck AGAIN for the same damn thing (or, more likely, waiting for my doctor's office to RE-re-send the paperwork), I signed the "I have objections" paper and went on my merry.

// if I'd had to watch a video on top of that, it'd be worse than 47 Benghazis happening at the IRS building where they target conservatives

So you didn't keep good track of your medical records, and somehow couldn't get copies transferred from the hospital you worked at?

I'm OK with you sacrificing an hour of your time, or getting re-stuck, or choosing to go elsewhere.

/ I sound sanctimonious but I have the same problem
// I've had all the vaccinations you need to go to Africa, but no clue where to get firm record

There are no vaccinations reqd to go to "africa".

I went there recently and was unable to find a dr or clinic who had any idea of what i needed to get. My sis was living there and agreed no shots were needed.

Now if you are talking about a specific country, like south africa, which has had recent outbreaks of certain diseases, you need those specific vaccs. Yellow fever vacc was reqd to even have a layover there.


Aestatis- As for your question of where to get a "firm record" of your shots, my understanding is the only place you can do that is... The place you got the shots.

/where else?
 
2014-03-01 01:39:42 AM  
In video game terms, worse players would have me intentionally take a hit because they cannot avoid a hit, then when I point out that fact they claim I cram a peanut butter and jelly sandwiches into their consoles when they're not looking.


/contra code added 29 men not 30
//numbers sure are fun huh
 
2014-03-01 02:03:26 AM  

Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.


Hey now, that not nice! Some vaccines are needed very much so, like MMR.

OH! Oh......n/m

/heh
 
2014-03-01 07:29:07 AM  
Instead of wasting doctor's time, why not just have anti-vaxers write an essay detailing the reasons why they're opting out of giving their children vaccines.  Give the papers to English teachers and science professors.  If one of each can get through the entire essay without laughing or rolling their eyes, they're granted a waiver.  If not, everyone in the family gets the needle...of the missing vaccine.
 
2014-03-01 08:08:21 AM  

the ha ha guy: Ficoce: Thanks! Guess that proves there really wasn't a problem to legislate after all. The people of Oregon actually immunized themselves enough without government involvement.

Herd immunity only works when a large enough percentage of the population gets immunized.

Thanks to Oprah and her porn star BFF, that percentage is threatening to dip below the required threshold. When that happens, the disease will spread far enough that it can mutate and attack everyone, even those who have been already been immunized.

Also, watching a short video is not "government involvement", it's just a counter-argument to those who insist that the porn star knows more about disease control than the CDC. People are still completely free to make their own choice, as long as they're informed of the alternative. It's really no different than the anti-abortion videos women are forced to watch before getting an abortion.


Watching a video is government involvement. Who determines the content of the video? Who will produce the video? We are talking about patented drugs here; this is not like driver safety where a generic car is used as an example.

Senate Bill 132 declared an emergency. What emergency? The CDC stats don't show negligible problems for the state, they show zero in most cases. Washington and California have enacted similar laws and the CDC shows they have quite a few cases - kind of crazy thinking, but shouldn't reality be the opposite?

You seem to know quite a bit about this - you wouldn't happen to know a few of the stock symbols of the companies that hold patents on the vaccination drugs? Might be a few day trade opportunities on this.
 
2014-03-01 11:27:32 AM  

EmmaLou: Instead of wasting doctor's time, why not just have anti-vaxers write an essay detailing the reasons why they're opting out of giving their children vaccines.  Give the papers to English teachers and science professors.  If one of each can get through the entire essay without laughing or rolling their eyes, they're granted a waiver.  If not, everyone in the family gets the needle...of the missing vaccine.



Nah, that doesn't reek of control freakdom at all.
 
2014-03-01 12:49:29 PM  

Ficoce: Watching a video is government involvement.


Mandating sterilized surgical equipment is government involvement. USDA inspections are government involvement. FDA approval is government involvement. Driver's Licenses are government involvement. Road repairs are government involvement.

The problem with fighting "government involvement" is that the whole purpose of the government is to get involved. If you disagree, then run for office under an Anarchist political party.
 
2014-03-01 01:21:56 PM  

the ha ha guy: Anarchist political party.


Problematic in and of itself...
 
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