Diogenes: You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully lied to about the consequences of an abortion.
Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.Got it. Abortion is healthy for a child.
Ficoce: udhq: Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,Here's the facts:http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _wWhy do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?So your argument is that we shouldn't vaccinate kids because vaccines are too effective?No, actually my argument is the facts show the way it was done before seems to work. After living here 50 years I seem to recall parents getting their kid inoculated without government involvement. Those that didn't? Well, where are the results of that? I look to the CDC, the people that keep track of this type of thing. Nothing odd there. No kids dying in the streets and stats look about the same everywhere within a few points.So, where did did this hate come from toward people, yet to be named, who supposedly don't vaccinate their kids? And where did all this love for vaccinations come from? Vaccinations that sometimes don't work? And many times cause side effects that other nameless people say are negligible?I might point to one heartfelt blog from someone that claimed to be a hippies kid; not being vaccinated that screwed everything about their life up, went viral, and touched the happy bits of people everywhere.Now we have legislation, based not on need or common sense, but emotion. Bet if I dig deep enough I would find a Pharma lobby with fingers in the bill, internet propaganda, and the resulting hate - over nothing.Nobody has anything to counter my point - other than attack.That's my argument and point.
o'really: Aestatis: Dr Dreidel: The one, teensy, tiny little problem I have with this is based on my own experience, a third of the world away.When I started at UMD, I had to provide them proof of my vaccination records. I thought I had, but apparently, there was some piece missing, so they didn't have proof I was up-to-date (IIRC) on my MMR. (Funny enough, working at a hospital the year prior, I'd had to have my titer upped, since the MMR vaccine level was too low.)Anyway, rather than get stuck AGAIN for the same damn thing (or, more likely, waiting for my doctor's office to RE-re-send the paperwork), I signed the "I have objections" paper and went on my merry.// if I'd had to watch a video on top of that, it'd be worse than 47 Benghazis happening at the IRS building where they target conservativesSo you didn't keep good track of your medical records, and somehow couldn't get copies transferred from the hospital you worked at?I'm OK with you sacrificing an hour of your time, or getting re-stuck, or choosing to go elsewhere./ I sound sanctimonious but I have the same problem// I've had all the vaccinations you need to go to Africa, but no clue where to get firm recordThere are no vaccinations reqd to go to "africa".I went there recently and was unable to find a dr or clinic who had any idea of what i needed to get. My sis was living there and agreed no shots were needed.Now if you are talking about a specific country, like south africa, which has had recent outbreaks of certain diseases, you need those specific vaccs. Yellow fever vacc was reqd to even have a layover there.
Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.
the ha ha guy: Ficoce: Thanks! Guess that proves there really wasn't a problem to legislate after all. The people of Oregon actually immunized themselves enough without government involvement.Herd immunity only works when a large enough percentage of the population gets immunized.Thanks to Oprah and her porn star BFF, that percentage is threatening to dip below the required threshold. When that happens, the disease will spread far enough that it can mutate and attack everyone, even those who have been already been immunized.Also, watching a short video is not "government involvement", it's just a counter-argument to those who insist that the porn star knows more about disease control than the CDC. People are still completely free to make their own choice, as long as they're informed of the alternative. It's really no different than the anti-abortion videos women are forced to watch before getting an abortion.
EmmaLou: Instead of wasting doctor's time, why not just have anti-vaxers write an essay detailing the reasons why they're opting out of giving their children vaccines. Give the papers to English teachers and science professors. If one of each can get through the entire essay without laughing or rolling their eyes, they're granted a waiver. If not, everyone in the family gets the needle...of the missing vaccine.
Ficoce: Watching a video is government involvement.
the ha ha guy: Anarchist political party.
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