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2014-02-28 03:56:50 PM

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.

In your case the vaccine may well have caused retardation.

Weak.

Says the guy who thinks that herd immunity is passed on 'thrucontact' to unvaccinated people and who doesn't understand that you need to vaccinate everyone so as not to allow the pathogen to evolve.

You'll understand that we're just going to point at you and laugh about this.

So you are saying HPV immunity cannot be achieved by this?


. I'm not even sure what the fark you mean by that question. The answer; however, is that you don't know anything about what you're saying.
 
2014-02-28 03:57:23 PM
Wow, shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?

Not long ago, the liberals were all up in arms about the issue of compulsory vaccinations.
Having the scar on your shoulder was a sign that you were a mindless tool of the establishment and were no better than cattle.
Anything the government did was seen with suspicion, even if it was for the good of the society as a whole and it drove a generation to demand government accountability and to value the inclusiveness of all people.
It's how we got mandatory diversity, equal opportunity employment, welfare, a convoluted, politically motivated census, and everything the government prints is now in more languages than most people can even identify.  The list goes on and on.
The point is, we were striving for a more homogeneous society but that became a target for those who felt they were hopelessly disenfranchised from that society.  Great strides were made to remedy that.  It's not perfect yet and it could never be.
Now, unfortunately, society has gone 180 degrees and sees government as the way to force their views on those they see as lesser than themselves.  The exact same thing that they were supposedly victims of in the past.

Scary thing is, there doesn't seem to be any voice of reason, understanding, or compassion, coming from the left at all.

You either stand with them or you're against them and they've a great big bag of names to brand you with if they even think you are not 100% on their side.
Where before we saw public outcry for education,equality and justice as a way to uplift everyone and foster understanding, now we hear, "Abolish their religion, shut down their businesses, tax them into poverty, publicly humiliate them, take their children, and force them into rehabilitation!"

The future is yours, do with it what you will.  From my point of view, you are getting off to a really crappy start.
 
Ant
2014-02-28 03:59:28 PM

flondrix: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Combine this law with making the vaccines available at the school nurse's office, and you have a tool useful against busy and/or lazy parents:  "Either you can provide the school with proof that you have watched this hour long video, or you can simply give us permission over the phone right now to have the school nurse stick little Bratlea with a needle, and forget about the whole thing."


Am I the only one whose school took us on a bus to be vaccinated? This was in the 70s in SLC Utah.
 
2014-02-28 04:00:04 PM

Farty McPooPants: Wow, shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?

Not long ago, the liberals were all up in arms about the issue of compulsory vaccinations.
Having the scar on your shoulder was a sign that you were a mindless tool of the establishment and were no better than cattle.
Anything the government did was seen with suspicion, even if it was for the good of the society as a whole and it drove a generation to demand government accountability and to value the inclusiveness of all people.
It's how we got mandatory diversity, equal opportunity employment, welfare, a convoluted, politically motivated census, and everything the government prints is now in more languages than most people can even identify.  The list goes on and on.
The point is, we were striving for a more homogeneous society but that became a target for those who felt they were hopelessly disenfranchised from that society.  Great strides were made to remedy that.  It's not perfect yet and it could never be.
Now, unfortunately, society has gone 180 degrees and sees government as the way to force their views on those they see as lesser than themselves.  The exact same thing that they were supposedly victims of in the past.

Scary thing is, there doesn't seem to be any voice of reason, understanding, or compassion, coming from the left at all.

You either stand with them or you're against them and they've a great big bag of names to brand you with if they even think you are not 100% on their side.
Where before we saw public outcry for education,equality and justice as a way to uplift everyone and foster understanding, now we hear, "Abolish their religion, shut down their businesses, tax them into poverty, publicly humiliate them, take their children, and force them into rehabilitation!"

The future is yours, do with it what you will.  From my point of view, you are getting off to a really crappy start.


I hope you choose to wear your crash helmet to dinner before it becomes compulsory, in order to insure the safety of those around you.
 
2014-02-28 04:03:09 PM

meat0918: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.


Of course, I can't find the article, but I read it, too.  It said that kids with no vaccinations are more likely to have educated white mothers, while kids who are undervaccinated are more likely to have poor non-white mothers.  Basically, poor mothers are less likely to get all of their children's vaccines because they are less likely to take their children to the doctor every year for a physical (ie: no time, no money and no insurance).  Educated white mothers just refuse the vaccines from day 1 because apparently, their education didn't teach them a damn thing about epidemics.

/educated white mother
//both of my kids are up-to-date of their vaccines
///fark idiots who think getting the chicken pox or mumps is 'no big deal'
////have a friend who is deaf in one ear because of chicken pox
 
2014-02-28 04:07:20 PM
This is why people should be vaccinated. It isn't all about you.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/100-cancer-patients-may-have-bee n- exposed-measles/ndsPm/
 
2014-02-28 04:07:33 PM

Farty McPooPants: Wow, shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?

Not long ago, the liberals were all up in arms about the issue of compulsory vaccinations.
Having the scar on your shoulder was a sign that you were a mindless tool of the establishment and were no better than cattle.
Anything the government did was seen with suspicion, even if it was for the good of the society as a whole and it drove a generation to demand government accountability and to value the inclusiveness of all people.
It's how we got mandatory diversity, equal opportunity employment, welfare, a convoluted, politically motivated census, and everything the government prints is now in more languages than most people can even identify.  The list goes on and on.
The point is, we were striving for a more homogeneous society but that became a target for those who felt they were hopelessly disenfranchised from that society.  Great strides were made to remedy that.  It's not perfect yet and it could never be.
Now, unfortunately, society has gone 180 degrees and sees government as the way to force their views on those they see as lesser than themselves.  The exact same thing that they were supposedly victims of in the past.

Scary thing is, there doesn't seem to be any voice of reason, understanding, or compassion, coming from the left at all.

You either stand with them or you're against them and they've a great big bag of names to brand you with if they even think you are not 100% on their side.
Where before we saw public outcry for education,equality and justice as a way to uplift everyone and foster understanding, now we hear, "Abolish their religion, shut down their businesses, tax them into poverty, publicly humiliate them, take their children, and force them into rehabilitation!"

The future is yours, do with it what you will.  From my point of view, you are getting off to a really crappy start.


You have a tricorn hat with an American flag pattern on it don't you?
 
2014-02-28 04:09:26 PM
Does the video consist of 600 repetitions of "Wakefield was a fraud and Jenny is an ignorant biatch" ?
 
2014-02-28 04:11:09 PM

Graffito: Diogenes: Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.

Well, if my child got pregnant I would consider abortion to be a healthy alternative to forcing her too young body to endure a pregnancy.  Are you some sort of monster?


Yes.  A fake troll in this case.
 
2014-02-28 04:11:14 PM

Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?


Pharmaceutical companies make a farkload more if you get sick than from a vaccine. If you get polio or measles or whatever, they are going to make a hell of a lot more money than if they give you a $1 shot.
 
2014-02-28 04:11:52 PM

machoprogrammer: Free Radical: Since most of these "nope" idiots are rural conservatives, I really don't have a problem with their offspring dying off sooner rather than later.

The problem is that it also affects other innocent children.

Actually there are more hippy dippy liberal types that don't vaccinate (because of the Big Pharma conspiracy and the autism bullshiat that Dr. Mercola pushes) than conservatives. There are some conservative types, too, but the left wing derps outweigh the right wing derps in this case


Yeah, citation farking needed.  It isn't liberals who have spent the last 50 years waging an open war on science.
 
2014-02-28 04:12:51 PM

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


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2014-02-28 04:14:16 PM
I am dumber for having read 99% of these comments, Fark. Shame on you.

/vaccinate your damn children
 
2014-02-28 04:14:43 PM

Prof. Frink: The Singing Bush: Prof. Frink: darth_badger: ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."

Insert an infomercial ....

I like how many people I know still think that thing was designed for making smoothies and milkshakes.

OK, I'll bite.  What was it really designed for?

Hint: why do you think she's smiling like that in the picture.


Because she likes guacamole?  Just because it has a similar name as another product doesn't mean they are derivatives of each other.
 
2014-02-28 04:15:45 PM

Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.


This.
 
2014-02-28 04:17:07 PM

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


My cousin's baby with a heart transplant can't get live vaccines.

Herd immunity protects her.

Unless morans don't vaccinate their kids.
 
2014-02-28 04:17:27 PM

Ant: Am I the only one whose school took us on a bus to be vaccinated? This was in the 70s in SLC Utah.


I was never taken off-site to be vaccinated.  They just marched the whole class to an office in the same school building and jabbed everybody, assembly-line style.
 
2014-02-28 04:22:02 PM

Farty McPooPants: Wow, shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?

... blah blah blah...


I am not going to respond to anyone with a name like Farty McPooPants.  At least Diogenes makes you think there's some classical learning underneath the trolling.
 
2014-02-28 04:25:49 PM

flondrix: Ant: Am I the only one whose school took us on a bus to be vaccinated? This was in the 70s in SLC Utah.

I was never taken off-site to be vaccinated.  They just marched the whole class to an office in the same school building and jabbed everybody, assembly-line style.


They did that at my kid's school with the swine flu in 2009, but you had to sign your child up for it.
 
2014-02-28 04:25:55 PM
Hmmm. Gun nut thread or vaccine thread? Gun nuts? Anti-vaxxers?

Anti-vaxxers it is.
 
2014-02-28 04:35:30 PM

Ficoce: This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

Here's the facts:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6307md.htm?s_cid=mm6307md _w

Why do we need to force our kids to support big pharma again?


So your argument is that we shouldn't vaccinate kids because vaccines are too effective?
 
2014-02-28 04:35:53 PM

flondrix: Ant: Am I the only one whose school took us on a bus to be vaccinated? This was in the 70s in SLC Utah.

I was never taken off-site to be vaccinated.  They just marched the whole class to an office in the same school building and jabbed everybody, assembly-line style.


I remember that in kindergarten in 1977. That memory is particularly vivid for some reason.
 
2014-02-28 04:42:50 PM

Diogenes: Typical libs. You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion.  But you're just fine with this.  Hypocrites, the lot of you.


I am totally fine with women getting abortions being forced to listen to their doctors explain the consequences of an abortion (or any other surgical procedure) that they might be considering.   Every doctor should always fully inform their patients about the effects and side effects of an operation and the possible things that could go wrong during the procedure.

I'm not fine with forced ultrasounds.  That isn't needed to understand the consequences of an abortion.

I'm not fine with people not immunizing their children.   If they choose not to, I believe it's fine for a school to require the parents to become educated on the subject before they sign a waiver.
 
2014-02-28 04:43:38 PM

Diogenes: thamike: [goias24horas.com.br image 620x357]

Hey, I stayed in character for a full three posts.  That's a record for me!

;-)


I was beginning to wonder what the hell was going on.
 
2014-02-28 04:49:37 PM

o'really: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

My cousin's baby with a heart transplant can't get live vaccines.

Herd immunity protects her.

Unless morans don't vaccinate their kids.


There is a much more common example:  Pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine is recommended for a certain age but it can kill children younger than that age, including newborns.  The only way to protect newborns from whooping cough is to make sure that everyone they come into contact with has been vaccinated.
 
2014-02-28 04:50:00 PM
I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.
 
2014-02-28 04:51:18 PM

Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.


Haven't read the whole thread yet, but just in case this wasn't added to, allow me;

Until the full course of shots is administered, some young children are still at risk.
 
2014-02-28 04:52:57 PM

mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


The law never said it had to be a transvaginal ultrasound -- someone took the idea that "12 weeks and under means a transvaginal ultrasound is required" and ran with it. (Not true, incidentally -- transvaginal is handy for very early pregnancies and also things like ectopics, which can be hard to visualize and are VERY important to locate quickly).

As for the law -- well, it would be great if it worked, but if it's not going to affect homeschoolers (and any alternative schools which don't HAVE to demand proof of vaccination) I doubt it will change much, which would be a shame.
 
2014-02-28 04:54:05 PM
Just why Oregon ranks so high is hard to decipher.

uh, no it's not.
 
2014-02-28 04:54:34 PM

doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though


I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!
 
2014-02-28 04:55:32 PM

RenownedCurator: As for the law -- well, it would be great if it worked, but if it's not going to affect homeschoolers (and any alternative schools which don't HAVE to demand proof of vaccination) I doubt it will change much, which would be a shame.


At least those kids disease vectors won't be attending the public schools.  That's something.
 
2014-02-28 04:58:13 PM
Also, I live in Seattle, and there is a VERY, VERY high rate of non-vaccination at some of the schools near me -- I get worried that if a bad form of measles or something catches hold, a third of neighbourhood kids may go down with it and take any kids whose vaccinations didn't take, or who have medical issues, right down with them. I can assure you that my neighbourhood is in no way conservative, however it is chock-full of educated white people who have mistaken their expertise in their own fields for expertise in everything, including medicine. This really is not as simple as "righties are anti-science, therefore they're the non-vaxers" no matter how much you might want to think it is.
 
2014-02-28 05:01:51 PM

mcreadyblue: tlars699: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue:

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid,

I thought at the beginning that you were joking but you are in fact this much of an idiot.

Vaccines require 90 or so percent of the population to get vaccinated to work.

You may be confused about herd immunity where the vaccinated pass on a form of immunity to the non-vaccinated thru contact.

Dude; Viruses and bacteria change and adapt and, dare I say it?, EVOLVE over time.
In order to keep people from getting polio, you have to have a greater than half percentage(don't know exact #') to prevent the disease transferring around enough to mutate so that it could kill anybody, including those previously vaccinated.
 It's still Polio- Just a different breed of Polio.

Like the flu- you need a new vaccine every year, because it is so adaptable.

They do not create a new Polio vaccine every year.


Okay- My phrasing was poor, but what I meant to say: You need to create a new vaccine for the flu every year because it's so adaptable.

I was pretty sure it was clear. But I made it clearerer. For you.
 
2014-02-28 05:09:07 PM

Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.


We already have PSAs and constant reminders that drunk driving kills.  It's saturated us.  The government already does that, and MADD and other orgs pick up the slack when they feel the government hasn't done its job.  We have ads on the radio reminding people police will be "cracking down" around holidays and other major events.

I haven't seen a similar push for vaccinations, like ever.

It wasn't until a couple years after I had kids (mine are 9 and 7 now) that I even heard there were people that choose not to vaccinate their children.  Even now, the concept still boggles my mind.

Vaccination is one of the greatest achievements in medicine, so effective in fact, that we have many parents wondering why they are still necessary.
 
2014-02-28 05:09:26 PM

Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.


We were forced to watch that as part of our Driver's Education course. I say your point is invalidated.
 
2014-02-28 05:12:18 PM

meat0918: Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.

We already have PSAs and constant reminders that drunk driving kills.  It's saturated us.  The government already does that, and MADD and other orgs pick up the slack when they feel the government hasn't done its job.  We have ads on the radio reminding people police will be "cracking down" around holidays and other major events.



So if someone is forced to watch the vaccination video it will work as well as this saturation of drunk driving PSAs have decreased drunk driving?

Okay, now I feel safe.
 
2014-02-28 05:12:34 PM

Shazam999: Agent Nick Fury: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?

No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

It's the way we roll.

At some point parents have to take responsibility for their children.

In NA polio epidemics happened so long ago that people have forgotten that whole *cities* were shut down because of them.


I know someone whose body is bent and broken from Polio, hang on a sec, I'm gonna go ask him if he wishes he'd been vaccinated?
 
2014-02-28 05:14:12 PM

RenownedCurator: The law never said it had to be a transvaginal ultrasound -- someone took the idea that "12 weeks and under means a transvaginal ultrasound is required" and ran with it.



Actually, the original bill did mandate transvaginal ultrasounds when necessary, it was only after the media, including Fox News and other Republican-leaning outlets, "ran with it" that they passed an amendment stating that transvaginal ultrasound would be done only with consent, and the final text was limited to abdominal ultrasounds alone.
 
2014-02-28 05:14:25 PM

tlars699: Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.

We were forced to watch that as part of our Driver's Education course. I say your point is invalidated.


You got me there.

With so many schools teaching driver's education this should no longer be a problem.
 
2014-02-28 05:19:18 PM

HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!


Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.
 
2014-02-28 05:20:57 PM

Agent Nick Fury: tlars699: Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.

We were forced to watch that as part of our Driver's Education course. I say your point is invalidated.

You got me there.

With so many schools teaching driver's education this should no longer be a problem.


Too bad alcohol impairs decisions.  "I'm good to drive" when they absolutely are not, and don't care if they are not, from someone who is drunk is far too common of a statement.
 
2014-02-28 05:22:30 PM

tlars699: HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!

Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.


Um...wtf are you talking about??? I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least! A PAP smear is worse imo.
 
2014-02-28 05:24:10 PM

Agent Nick Fury: tlars699: Agent Nick Fury: I think we can all agree that drunk driving is dangerous, not only to the drivers, but all others on the road as well.

Therefore, I think we can all agree that anyone ordering a drink at a bar, restaurant, or sporting event should be required to watch fifteen minutes of "Blood On The Highway" produced in 1969 by the Ohio State Police Department before being allowed to consume that drink.

All in agreement say aye.

We were forced to watch that as part of our Driver's Education course. I say your point is invalidated.

You got me there.

With so many schools teaching driver's education this should no longer be a problem.


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1. Driver's Ed: one of the first classes to get cut from school program, even before arts fartsy classes. Because DMV's.
2. This video is actually effective at what it does. It may do to repeat it's use every so often. Say every time you have to renew your drivers license.
Other reasons this is nothing like vaccination video idea: Because people don't just drink at a bar. And not everyone who drinks at a bar will drive home.

But everyone who drives is able to get drunk, even illegally, and then might use a vehicle.
 
2014-02-28 05:24:55 PM

Shazam999: Agent Nick Fury: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?

No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

It's the way we roll.

At some point parents have to take responsibility for their children.

In NA polio epidemics happened so long ago that people have forgotten that whole *cities* were shut down because of them.


My grandmother had polio, and given that, my mom was always Johnny-on-the-spot when it came to our vaccinations. Polio crippled my nana, so that she walked with a cane or a severe limp. My mom always said that if she could protect her children better than her mother was protected, she would. And consequently I feel the same way. My mom developed whooping cough when she was 5-6, and she said she remembered coughing so hard that the back of her throat was shredded, and there were times when she was sure she would die because she just couldn't catch her breath. How scary for a child.

I think that people whose families haven't been affected by communicable diseases are less apt to believe in vaccines. Those of us who have seen (or heard) of the tolls that things like rubella and whooping cough can take on a person are pretty damned eager to get protected.
 
2014-02-28 05:25:13 PM
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Stay strong, girlfriend.

If the kids on the Internet are attacking and mocking you, you know you're doing something right.


www.northeastdemocrats.org
 
2014-02-28 05:28:19 PM

boyofd: nocturnal001: Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.


Done in one.

My kid was exposed to whooping cough at daycare (before he was allowed to get the vaccine) because there are too many farktards out there listening to Jenny McCarthy.

Vaccines should be mandatory, at least to be allowed to attend public schools and daycares.

My son got the Whooping Cough even though he had been vaccinated because vaccines are not 100% effective.  Luckily, it wasn't so bad, and he was healthy enough, that it didn't pose a great risk.  But he had one really crappy winter, exposed his family and friends to the disease, and we spent a lot of time (and money) at the doctor's office and pharmacy trying to figure out what the problem was and whether there was a medication that would work (because the doctor didn't considering Whooping Cough a real possibility).


Did you sue the parents who didn't vaccinate their sprog for the medical expenses?
 
2014-02-28 05:30:05 PM

haolegirl: tlars699: HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!

Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.

Um...wtf are you talking about??? I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least! A PAP smear is worse imo.


Well, did you ever get yours done at an abortion clinic(me:once)? Do you have my vagina/cervix, or are connected to it in any periphery? No?
Any time I've had t.v. us, it sucks, I felt the clicks, it's in way too far "so they can get a better picture", and it's effin' freezing. Then again, most of my clinicians have been dudes.

And Pap smears are Awful. The q-tip feels like a fingernail scraping a microphone, with me as the microphone; not getting into the brushy swab. *shudder*
 
2014-02-28 05:31:20 PM

haolegirl: I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least!


http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/12/woman-sues-hospital-claimin g- vaginal-ultrasound-felt-like-rape/
 
2014-02-28 05:39:33 PM
This is obviously very important so why trifle with these half measures? If someone refuses their injections, arrest them and forcibly inject them in jail. We can't afford to take chances with this sort of thing.
 
2014-02-28 05:41:34 PM

tlars699: haolegirl: tlars699: HaywoodJablonski: doloresonthedottedline: sigdiamond2000: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice
//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy
///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

I've watched lots of videos of women getting wands shoved on their ladybits. They seem to enjoy it!

Those wands are made for commercial profit and typically aren't covered with a too loose condom, too thin and too long to be any sort of "fun".

The medical ones are also super-cold hard plastic (no latex aside from too loose condom) and slathered with gel, and fairly abruptly pushed into you. There's no foreplay, no gentle teasing- pure clinical medical diagnostic tool.

Like every other gynecological medicinal tool, they aren't in anyway "fun", and kind of painful to experience. The ultrasound wands themselves are also a camera, with a trigger on the wand. So it gets shoved inside you, and clicks, with each click very easily felt- It's like you're getting shot in the vagina.

I don't want to get shot in the vagina, even with a camera. At least not again.

Um...wtf are you talking about??? I had a tv ultrasound yesterday at the local hospital, it doesn't hurt in the least! A PAP smear is worse imo.

Well, did you ever get yours done at an abortion clinic(me:once)? Do you have my vagina/cervix, or are connected to it in any periphery? No?
Any time I've had t.v. us, it sucks, I felt the clicks, it's in way too far "so they can get a better picture", and it's effin' freezing. Then again, most of my clinicians have been dudes.

And Pap smears are Awful. The q-tip feels like a fingernail scraping a microphone, with me as the microphone; not getting into the brushy swab. *shudder*


Yes, I did...not the one yesterday either. Have had several in just the last two years. This was my fourth blighted ovum. Idk who did yours, but find a new technician!
 
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