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2014-02-28 02:35:16 PM

mayIFark: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Let's see, X having an abortion does not affect Y in anyway whatsoever. X not having vaccination directly affects Y.

I agree that watching a video to have a waiver is dumb. Just like you have to have insurance to drive your car on public road, you should be required to have vaccination to walk on public road. There shouldn't be any waiver.


I agree with you and all. But the other side that "Y" is pretty heavily effected
 
2014-02-28 02:35:29 PM

mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?
 
2014-02-28 02:35:51 PM

Shazam999: I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

We need a nice raging polio epidemic.  Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.


Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?
 
2014-02-28 02:36:07 PM

D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.


Normally I'd be shocked by someone that callous about their children but I took a Tripadviser survey yesterday that repeatedly asked whether I would cut back on my child's education or after-school activities to fund my vacation.
 
2014-02-28 02:36:11 PM

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.
 
2014-02-28 02:36:25 PM

D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.


Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.
 
2014-02-28 02:36:30 PM

Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.


Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.
 
2014-02-28 02:37:02 PM
Forcing people to watch movies to make healthcare decisions is wrong even if they are making bad decisions with their children's lives. Pretty soon we'll go in for an annual checkup and watch a 60 minute video on weight loss, then heart disease, then exercise, then flu vaccinations. Nope. Not interested.
 
2014-02-28 02:37:07 PM

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat?


Would you like the pop-up or the scratch-n-sniff version?
 
2014-02-28 02:37:40 PM

mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


Transvaginal Ultrasounds is my favorite band. Wait, I might have the name wrong.
 
2014-02-28 02:38:10 PM

Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.


As someone who does think life begins at conception and doesn't like abortion, I'll tell you how it's different. You don't put my life in danger by getting an abortion.
 
2014-02-28 02:38:49 PM

fennix: Forcing people to watch movies to make healthcare decisions is wrong even if they are making bad decisions with their children's lives. Pretty soon we'll go in for an annual checkup and watch a 60 minute video on weight loss, then heart disease, then exercise, then flu vaccinations. Nope. Not interested.


No. Not really.  But thanks for playing.
 
2014-02-28 02:39:22 PM

Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.


By which you mean "herd immunity" effects don't work unless enough people in the population get vaccinated. The vaccines will still work for you, but, unless most of the rest of the population doesn't also get vaccinated, it won't help people that would like to get vaccinated but can't.
 
2014-02-28 02:39:48 PM

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


No but I would imagine that a pregnant child carrying to term and undergoing childbirth is at risk of some pretty serious complications too.
 
2014-02-28 02:39:53 PM

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


goias24horas.com.br
 
2014-02-28 02:39:55 PM

Tigger: mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.

What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?


You can die from both.

But rather, I think the similarities are forcing pointless medical procedures and costs to effect a change in a persons view point.

IE making non-compliance so arduous as to force compliance.
 
2014-02-28 02:39:55 PM

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


If a child gets pregnant, it is definitely healthy for her to get an abortion.
 
2014-02-28 02:40:20 PM
mcreadyblue


Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.


Just educated myself about that law and yes it does to some extent. The ultrasound is an actual procedure which is different instead of watching a propaganda laced video.
 
2014-02-28 02:40:24 PM

Diogenes: Cymbal: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

You don't need an ultrasound to know if you are pregnant. But you do need to know that refusing to vaccinate is not only dangerous to your children, but others as well. If everyone knew that, there would be no need for the video.

Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.


It might be, children shouldn't be pregnant.
 
2014-02-28 02:40:27 PM

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Because children don't get all of their vaccines all at once as soon as they pop out. My kid is two years old and he just finished the last round of vaccines. That's why.
 
2014-02-28 02:41:20 PM

thamike: [goias24horas.com.br image 620x357]


Hey, I stayed in character for a full three posts.  That's a record for me!

;-)
 
2014-02-28 02:42:14 PM
imgick.oregonlive.com

Godammit, there is NO REASON to let your kid be that farking scared of the whole farking process. Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time. As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it. I've raised 3 kids this way, and while they've left unhappy, and a couple of time close to tears, they've NEVER tried to jump out of their skin scared to death like this, as an added bonus, my daughter has been offering to hold YOUR hand if she thinks that you're going through something that is going to hurt you since she's been 3...

Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.
 
2014-02-28 02:42:50 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.

By which you mean "herd immunity" effects don't work unless enough people in the population get vaccinated. The vaccines will still work for you, but, unless most of the rest of the population doesn't also get vaccinated, it won't help people that would like to get vaccinated but can't.


No I mean what I said. Vaccines are not always 100% effective even in normal healthy people.  You might still become ill if you are vaccinated.
 
2014-02-28 02:43:08 PM

Calmamity: It's child abuse, and it's not just your own children you are abusing, you goddamn fu*ksocks.



Done in one.

My kid was exposed to whooping cough at daycare (before he was allowed to get the vaccine) because there are too many farktards out there listening to Jenny McCarthy.

Vaccines should be mandatory, at least to be allowed to attend public schools and daycares.
 
2014-02-28 02:43:25 PM

darth_badger: ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."

Insert an infomercial ....


I like how many people I know still think that thing was designed for making smoothies and milkshakes.
 
2014-02-28 02:43:43 PM

thamike: Or not.


You were still good... That was obviously sarcasm, so you were in before someone played the ultrasound card seriously.
 
2014-02-28 02:44:22 PM

Mikey1969: [imgick.oregonlive.com image 620x487]

Godammit, there is NO REASON to let your kid be that farking scared of the whole farking process. Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time. As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it. I've raised 3 kids this way, and while they've left unhappy, and a couple of time close to tears, they've NEVER tried to jump out of their skin scared to death like this, as an added bonus, my daughter has been offering to hold YOUR hand if she thinks that you're going through something that is going to hurt you since she's been 3...

Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.


The Oregonian is anti vaccine, hence the picture of a terrified child.
 
2014-02-28 02:45:16 PM
I have an acquaintance on Facebook who constantly posts anti-vaccine propaganda that is lifted from a site called VacTruth. Because if you're going to get accurate, scientific and unbiased information, it's going to be from VacTruth.
 
2014-02-28 02:45:18 PM

Mikey1969: [imgick.oregonlive.com image 620x487]

Godammit, there is NO REASON to let your kid be that farking scared of the whole farking process. Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time. As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it. I've raised 3 kids this way, and while they've left unhappy, and a couple of time close to tears, they've NEVER tried to jump out of their skin scared to death like this, as an added bonus, my daughter has been offering to hold YOUR hand if she thinks that you're going through something that is going to hurt you since she's been 3...

Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.


My kid just sits there and watches. Last time she cried was at 18 months. Now that she understands more about what's going on she's actually very curious about it.
 
2014-02-28 02:46:49 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Combine this law with making the vaccines available at the school nurse's office, and you have a tool useful against busy and/or lazy parents:  "Either you can provide the school with proof that you have watched this hour long video, or you can simply give us permission over the phone right now to have the school nurse stick little Bratlea with a needle, and forget about the whole thing."
 
2014-02-28 02:47:30 PM

Diogenes: thamike: [goias24horas.com.br image 620x357]

Hey, I stayed in character for a full three posts.  That's a record for me!

;-)


2.bp.blogspot.com

Let's get into character.

 
2014-02-28 02:47:41 PM
Egoy3k:
Got it.  Abortion is healthy for a child.

No but I would imagine that a pregnant child carrying to term and undergoing childbirth is at risk of some pretty serious complications too.


mayIFark:

If a child gets pregnant, it is definitely healthy for her to get an abortion.


HotWingConspiracy:

It might be, children shouldn't be pregnant.


I swear the other two are not my alts.
 
2014-02-28 02:47:49 PM

mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.

What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?

You can die from both.

But rather, I think the similarities are forcing pointless medical procedures and costs to effect a change in a persons view point.

IE making non-compliance so arduous as to force compliance.


You can die from both
I can die from one

How are there people who don't get this?
 
2014-02-28 02:48:01 PM

darth_badger: ZAZ: If I were a hacker I would intercept the video and insert advertising in its place.

"Before you make the decision on whether to vaccinate your children, let me tell you about the benefits of Rambo grade tinfoil pajamas..."

Insert an infomercial ....

[www.celebritybabyscoop.com image 850x703]


That thing must be pretty damn stretched out. Jesus, HOW many kids has she had now?
 
2014-02-28 02:48:56 PM

Mikey1969: thamike: Or not.

You were still good... That was obviously sarcasm, so you were in before someone played the ultrasound card seriously.


Yeah, I figured that would put the kibosh on it, but nope.
 
2014-02-28 02:49:06 PM
Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption an abortion

Wonder if that would get the spiffy tag........
 
2014-02-28 02:50:43 PM

Mikey1969: Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time.


"Explain"?  As in, use logic with a pre-schooler?  Look, when I was that age, if I were given the choice between the possibility of someday catching a disease that would paralyze or even kill me, or a long, pointy needle that was gonna hurt RIGHT NOW, I would have opted for disease and death.  Fortunately, I wasn't given a choice.
 
2014-02-28 02:50:54 PM

drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?


Shots for some of these diseases are not able to be given to babies/ toddlers until they are a year old and up to 7 years for some. During that time, they are susceptible to contracting these hellacious diseases because some crazed parent who read something in the internet (yes I see the irony) decided that vaccinations are evil because __(fill in the blank)__

/ But, you knew that... right?
// Did I just get trolled??
 
2014-02-28 02:51:11 PM

Shazam999: We need a nice raging polio epidemic. Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.


Wish granted.
 
2014-02-28 02:51:21 PM
Fascism! How DARE you intrude on my right to spread horrible, preventable infectious diseases!
 
2014-02-28 02:51:27 PM

TrixieDelite: I have an acquaintance on Facebook who constantly posts anti-vaccine propaganda that is lifted from a site called VacTruth. Because if you're going to get accurate, scientific and unbiased information, it's going to be from VacTruth.


I have a friend on facebook who has a wife is antivax, vegan, god knows what else and he is to the same to some extent, but half the time he trolls antivaxxers with the facts about vaccination, the other half he's trolling vaccination proponents with antivax nonsense.

I have another friend that when defending why she hasn't vaccinated actually said in closing "And besides, there are too many people in this world anyways".

I think you can have perfectly healthy kids whether they are vaccinated or unvaccinated.  Their chances of staying healthy if exposed to preventable illness increase if they are vaccinated.  It's a simple fact, and I wish they would acknowledge it.
 
2014-02-28 02:51:50 PM

Tigger: mcreadyblue: Tigger: mcreadyblue: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.

Reminds me of the transvaginal ultrasounds law.

What are the public health aspects of someone having an abortion?
What are the public health aspects of someone having polio?

You can die from both.

But rather, I think the similarities are forcing pointless medical procedures and costs to effect a change in a persons view point.

IE making non-compliance so arduous as to force compliance.

You can die from both
I can die from one

How are there people who don't get this?


I guess there is a bit of confusion how it works.

So the way the Polio vaccine works is YOU get inoculated and if you interact with a person suffering from Polio, you are safe, they cannot make you sick.

Works the same for SmallPox, Typhoid, etc.
 
2014-02-28 02:52:34 PM

Mikey1969: [imgick.oregonlive.com image 620x487]


img.fark.net

NORMAL VACCINATION

www.pulitzer.org


FLORIDA VACCINATION
 
2014-02-28 02:52:49 PM
Jesus Christ.

When did anti vaccination nuts start with the false equivolence with abortion????
 
2014-02-28 02:53:08 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.


It feels so good to be right.
 
2014-02-28 02:54:06 PM
flondrix


Random Anonymous Blackmail: So watching a video is going to deter someone from saying nope anyway. This is a stupid waste of time and money.


Combine this law with making the vaccines available at the school nurse's office, and you have a tool useful against busy and/or lazy parents: "Either you can provide the school with proof that you have watched this hour long video, or you can simply give us permission over the phone right now to have the school nurse stick little Bratlea with a needle, and forget about the whole thing."


I don't think this has so much to do with busy or lazy parents. This is trying to hit the belief structure nut jobs and as stubborn as people are the video is a waste of time. Now if you stick their kid without consent they will lawyer up and win.
 
2014-02-28 02:54:18 PM

Mikey1969: As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it.


I prefer my mother's time honored tradition or telling the kid to stop whining.  It worked for me any my brother. She didn't make a big deal out of minor things like needles or cuts and scrapes and bruises so we didn't think they were things to make a big deal out of.
 
2014-02-28 02:55:01 PM

Mikey1969: Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.


Jesus. Seriously.

I stepped on a piece of a Corona bottle last June, and needed 6 stitches in the bottom of my foot. I didn't realize this at the time, but under that thick skin on your sole are roughly the same amount of nerves as your palm. I get to a clinic, and they're about to give me the topical anesthetic so they can sew me up. The doc says "This'll hurt, you ready?" and then they stab me.

Holy Cthulu mother of Baphomet and sister to Mary, Zeus, and Dick Cheney, that farking hurt more than stepping on the glass did. But I got stitched up, and it's healed nicely.

Medicine sometimes hurts. You know what hurts more? Sepsis.
 
2014-02-28 02:55:20 PM

meat0918: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.


I could have sworn it was a fark article about vaccine exemptions, but I didn't comment in the thread so I don't have it and searching fark for "vaccinations" got me nowhere.

My Google-fu isn't great, but I found this

http://shotofprevention.com/2013/05/15/vaccine-exemptions-often-resu lt -of-laziness-and-lies/
 
2014-02-28 02:55:22 PM
Way to go, Oregon! And, fark you, anti-vacs!
 
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