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(The New York Times)   Former Ukrainian President Yanukovych does his best Baghdad Bob impression, says "Nobody deposed me"   (nytimes.com) divider line 79
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2014-02-28 02:43:59 PM  
"I just went out for a jog and got lost!"
 
2014-02-28 03:00:53 PM  
Everything is fine
assets.sbnation.com
 
2014-02-28 03:08:16 PM  
HARD FACT #371: If their soldiers are on the soil and yours aren't, and yours can't get theirs off it, it's not your soil anymore, regardless of what your internal laws say.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-28 03:23:36 PM  
When you are so unpopular that your own guards abandon you and you have to run to escape the country because of a "direct and imminent threat" to your life, you've pretty much been deposed.

He certainly seems to be hoping that Putin will put him back into power though.
 
2014-02-28 03:26:59 PM  
Well, Baghdad Bob turned out to be right in the end, so this might not be the comparison you're looking for.
 
2014-02-28 03:28:47 PM  
Fine. You are the president. Just come back to Ukraine and everything will be fine.
 
2014-02-28 03:40:51 PM  

JerseyTim: Well, Baghdad Bob turned out to be right in the end, so this might not be the comparison you're looking for.


Indeed - there were no Americans in Baghdad and all was well.
 
2014-02-28 03:41:05 PM  

kbronsito: Fine. You are the president. Just come back to Ukraine and everything will be fine.


I bet somebody is Putin him on just like that.
 
2014-02-28 03:41:23 PM  

kbronsito: Fine. You are the president. Just come back to Ukraine and everything will be fine.


The people of Kiev have a cigarette and a stylish bandanna for him, should he decide to return.
 
2014-02-28 03:43:11 PM  
Once they hold legitimate elections, Putin will have no choice but to hand him over.  So he's got maybe 3 months tops as a free man.
 
2014-02-28 03:43:42 PM  
Looks like some shiat is going down in the Crimea, he may be back before you can say "Black Sea Fleet".
 
2014-02-28 03:44:25 PM  
"Hey guys, I'm back, man what a cra"--BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM
 
2014-02-28 03:47:29 PM  
So he went on a "secret summit" or a vacation?
 
2014-02-28 03:47:31 PM  
So if I flee my job to another country then call to say I don't know when or how I'm coming back. I should still have my job?
 
2014-02-28 03:47:55 PM  
Ok, Vlad, you put me back in power down there and when you come visit, I'll make everyone do this with their right arm when you pass by... LOL!
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-28 03:50:05 PM  
All fake news anyway, just like the Iraq "war."

Gonna fall for this one?
 
2014-02-28 03:50:39 PM  
i.imgur.com

Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
 
2014-02-28 03:53:57 PM  
This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.
 
2014-02-28 03:59:20 PM  

PsiChi: All fake news anyway, just like the Iraq "war."

Gonna fall for this one?


Are you suffering from brain trauma?
 
2014-02-28 04:01:21 PM  
I was just out hiking on the Appalachian Trail . . .
 
2014-02-28 04:01:22 PM  

jshine: JerseyTim: Well, Baghdad Bob turned out to be right in the end, so this might not be the comparison you're looking for.

Indeed - there were no Americans in Baghdad and all was well.


There were no WMDs.
Iraq will not be easy to capture. "They do not know in what mud they are wading."
The US are foreign invaders and civilians will resist them.

But, hey, he was such a funny character!
 
2014-02-28 04:02:36 PM  
You know who else thought they were still running their country:

d2nh4f9cbhlobh.cloudfront.net
 
2014-02-28 04:03:58 PM  

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.


if you can't be president of Ukraine you can at least be governor of a Russian Crimea.
 
2014-02-28 04:04:54 PM  

JerseyTim: Well, Baghdad Bob turned out to be right in the end, so this might not be the comparison you're looking for.


lolwut?
 
2014-02-28 04:06:09 PM  
World War 3 is gonna be a blast.
 
2014-02-28 04:06:29 PM  

JerseyTim: jshine: JerseyTim: Well, Baghdad Bob turned out to be right in the end, so this might not be the comparison you're looking for.

Indeed - there were no Americans in Baghdad and all was well.

There were no WMDs.
Iraq will not be easy to capture. "They do not know in what mud they are wading."
The US are foreign invaders and civilians will resist them.

But, hey, he was such a funny character!


He did not get his reputation because of his statements about WMD, Iraq WAS easy to capture, and his statements were all about how SADDAM would come out on top, not the people of Iraq.
 
2014-02-28 04:08:51 PM  
Russia won't put Weird-Al Yanukovich on the throne in Ukraine. They may acquire Ukraine back into the empire... but putting weird Al back wouldn't make sense.


That said... I'm tired of Putin keep kicking the US and Natos arse. He always wins.


"Putin... don't you dare invade Georgia and take territories from them...

Damn it Putin! OK... go ahead then."


"Syria needs to stop killing their own people and install democracy. What's that Putin... Syria is your friend? Oh OK... go ahead supply weapons to the dictator then. We won't stop you."

"Don't you dare invade Crimea or Ukraine! Oh what's that... there are Russians there... our bad Putin... take whatever you need."

America has become Russia's biatch.
 
2014-02-28 04:09:21 PM  
Wasn't he calling it a "coup" like two days ago?

If that ain't being "deposed", what is?
 
2014-02-28 04:11:32 PM  
"My opinion -- as usual -- is that we will slaughter them all."

Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, btw, was charged with no crimes for his role as the Iraqi defense ministry spokesman, and lives quietly today in the UAE.
 
2014-02-28 04:15:20 PM  

CleanAndPure: America has become Russia's biatch.


You know what you're right.  We should just get it over with already.  We can start with a little saber rattling foreplay and then take it up a notch and declare war against Russia.  That will restore our rightful place in the world.
 
2014-02-28 04:15:34 PM  

CleanAndPure: America has become Russia's biatch.


LOLWUT
 
2014-02-28 04:16:02 PM  
I'm still the president of Ukraine, yeah, and I will soon return to my palace with my wife ... Morgan Fairchild! Who I have sex with. Yeah, that's the ticket!

beingsakin.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-28 04:16:19 PM  

CleanAndPure: Russia won't put Weird-Al Yanukovich on the throne in Ukraine. They may acquire Ukraine back into the empire... but putting weird Al back wouldn't make sense.


That said... I'm tired of Putin keep kicking the US and Natos arse. He always wins.


"Putin... don't you dare invade Georgia and take territories from them...

Damn it Putin! OK... go ahead then."


"Syria needs to stop killing their own people and install democracy. What's that Putin... Syria is your friend? Oh OK... go ahead supply weapons to the dictator then. We won't stop you."

"Don't you dare invade Crimea or Ukraine! Oh what's that... there are Russians there... our bad Putin... take whatever you need."

America has become Russia's biatch.


One of the articles earlier this week described his foreign policy as "waiting till his opponents are unstable, then applying force". Now, I believe the man knows Judo. It's almost like he's applying the principles of that art to foreign policy.
 
2014-02-28 04:17:56 PM  

mbillips: "My opinion -- as usual -- is that we will slaughter them all."

Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, btw, was charged with no crimes for his role as the Iraqi defense ministry spokesman, and lives quietly today in the UAE.




Other than being a PR hack for the Iraqi forces, what did he do that was worthy of a war crimes tribunal?
 
2014-02-28 04:18:06 PM  

CleanAndPure: "Syria needs to stop killing their own people and install democracy. What's that Putin... Syria is your friend? Oh OK... go ahead supply weapons to the dictator then. We won't stop you."


"Syria needs to stop using chemical weapons. What's that Putin? You're sending a target ship? What, that's supposed to scare us? We're still coming. Oh, you've convinced them to get rid of their WMDs? Oh, ok. Go ahead. And thanks for the UN verification recently that you followed through."
 
2014-02-28 04:19:09 PM  
Also Ukrainians are naziest nazies that ever nazied and half of them really want to be part of Russia because they know Russian
 
2014-02-28 04:19:56 PM  

illogic: CleanAndPure: America has become Russia's biatch.

You know what you're right.  We should just get it over with already.  We can start with a little saber rattling foreplay and then take it up a notch and declare war against Russia.  That will restore our rightful place in the world.


We will never fight over Eastern Europe. That's why I think it was a mistake to admit the Baltic States into NATO. At least with Ukraine, failing to do anything won't destroy NATO. When Lithuania's turn comes, though, NATO will fall apart.
 
2014-02-28 04:20:22 PM  
I can't wait to see what Russia will do next. The suspense is terrible.

/It's like a sad, dark comedy some days.
//I feel more than a little bad for laughing at it. The people of the Ukraine deserve better government.
 
2014-02-28 04:28:40 PM  

CleanAndPure: Russia won't put Weird-Al Yanukovich on the throne in Ukraine. They may acquire Ukraine back into the empire... but putting weird Al back wouldn't make sense.


That said... I'm tired of Putin keep kicking the US and Natos arse. He always wins.


"Putin... don't you dare invade Georgia and take territories from them...

Damn it Putin! OK... go ahead then."


"Syria needs to stop killing their own people and install democracy. What's that Putin... Syria is your friend? Oh OK... go ahead supply weapons to the dictator then. We won't stop you."

"Don't you dare invade Crimea or Ukraine! Oh what's that... there are Russians there... our bad Putin... take whatever you need."

America has become Russia's biatch.


Lol.   One of the major geo-political dynamics these days is Russia's decade of dealing with no longer being one of the two dominant superpowers in the world.  They have a massive inferiority complex, as evidenced by the Sochi mess that cost more than all other Olympics combined.
 
2014-02-28 04:35:27 PM  
This reminds me of the theory that America is still an English territory because our colonial charters included language that disallowed acts of revolt and therefore our War of Independence was illegal.

At the end of the day it's up to the entity with a monopoly on legitimate use of force in a territory to determine what is or isn't legal, and that's not you Chuckles.
 
2014-02-28 04:37:10 PM  
What a Ukranian ex-politician might look like:

jimcofer.com
 
2014-02-28 04:37:41 PM  

indylaw: mbillips: "My opinion -- as usual -- is that we will slaughter them all."

Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, btw, was charged with no crimes for his role as the Iraqi defense ministry spokesman, and lives quietly today in the UAE.

Other than being a PR hack for the Iraqi forces, what did he do that was worthy of a war crimes tribunal?


Make fun of the US?
 
2014-02-28 04:45:56 PM  
I liked his "My Bologna" song.
 
2014-02-28 04:49:08 PM  

indylaw: mbillips: "My opinion -- as usual -- is that we will slaughter them all."

Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, btw, was charged with no crimes for his role as the Iraqi defense ministry spokesman, and lives quietly today in the UAE.

Other than being a PR hack for the Iraqi forces, what did he do that was worthy of a war crimes tribunal?


Nothin'. So many of Saddam's inner circle WERE war criminals though, that Baghdad Bob kind of stands out.
 
2014-02-28 04:52:32 PM  

LewDux: Also Ukrainians are naziest nazies that ever nazied and half of them really want to be part of Russia because they know Russian


It's more like 25-30 percent that are ethnic Russian and Russian-speakers. The "good guys," the Ukrainian nationalists, also include most of the pro-Nazi types, but they're a small minority within that faction. And historically they were more anti-Stalin than pro-Hitler; they were no more anti-Semitic than the Soviets (which isn't much of a compliment).
 
2014-02-28 04:52:55 PM  

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.


Exactly. He is saying what needs to be said to give Russia a fig leaf under which to act. Yanukovich was never deposed and if he was, it was illegal. He just went on a surprise trip to visit Ukraine's ally, Russia while at home someone decided to illegally take over the country. Russia should thwart the illegal activities and over-throw the illegal government. This is what Russia and Yanukovich are planning on.
 
2014-02-28 04:55:02 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I can't wait to see what Russia will do next. The suspense is terrible.

/It's like a sad, dark comedy some days.
//I feel more than a little bad for laughing at it. The people of the Ukraine deserve better government.


Yeah, this. I've got the radio on most of the day, and whenever the news comes on, I switch off as it's doing my head in.

The spin from Putin and Weird Vik is farking disgusting and those pricks both deserve a cockpunch.

Shame they couldn't have Ceaușescu'd Yanukovych; Putin might have backed off a bit.

/I mean, I don't support the idea of capital punishment/execution at all, but perhaps that's a catharsis that would have been good for the people of Ukraine.
 
2014-02-28 04:59:16 PM  

greentea1985: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.

Exactly. He is saying what needs to be said to give Russia a fig leaf under which to act. Yanukovich was never deposed and if he was, it was illegal. He just went on a surprise trip to visit Ukraine's ally, Russia while at home someone decided to illegally take over the country. Russia should thwart the illegal activities and over-throw the illegal government. This is what Russia and Yanukovich are planning on.


Who exactly is he trying to sell that story to?  Because that's clearly not the truth.
I'm guessing the answer to that question is "the rest of the world".  Because if, and when, the Russian's move in, there has to be some support from the rest of the world.  Common sense would dictate, anyway.
 
2014-02-28 05:03:17 PM  

durbnpoisn: greentea1985: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.

Exactly. He is saying what needs to be said to give Russia a fig leaf under which to act. Yanukovich was never deposed and if he was, it was illegal. He just went on a surprise trip to visit Ukraine's ally, Russia while at home someone decided to illegally take over the country. Russia should thwart the illegal activities and over-throw the illegal government. This is what Russia and Yanukovich are planning on.

Who exactly is he trying to sell that story to?  Because that's clearly not the truth.
I'm guessing the answer to that question is "the rest of the world".  Because if, and when, the Russian's move in, there has to be some support from the rest of the world.  Common sense would dictate, anyway.


Nobody has to believe him, the Russians just need him to say that so they can say that they believe him as an excuse to put him back in power. It legitimizes their actions to a certain extent and creates uncertainty for anyone who opposes them.
 
2014-02-28 05:03:27 PM  

greentea1985: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.

Exactly. He is saying what needs to be said to give Russia a fig leaf under which to act. Yanukovich was never deposed and if he was, it was illegal. He just went on a surprise trip to visit Ukraine's ally, Russia while at home someone decided to illegally take over the country. Russia should thwart the illegal activities and over-throw the illegal government. This is what Russia and Yanukovich are planning on.


i3.kym-cdn.com

And is what the hairsplitters at the UN will use to keep the EU and US out of it except for humanitarian aid and covert stuff.

Not that I think we should be getting involved anyway as we got enough on the table as is.
 
2014-02-28 05:03:40 PM  

durbnpoisn: greentea1985: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.

Exactly. He is saying what needs to be said to give Russia a fig leaf under which to act. Yanukovich was never deposed and if he was, it was illegal. He just went on a surprise trip to visit Ukraine's ally, Russia while at home someone decided to illegally take over the country. Russia should thwart the illegal activities and over-throw the illegal government. This is what Russia and Yanukovich are planning on.

Who exactly is he trying to sell that story to?  Because that's clearly not the truth.
I'm guessing the answer to that question is "the rest of the world".  Because if, and when, the Russian's move in, there has to be some support from the rest of the world.  Common sense would dictate, anyway.


The story is for Putin, so Putin can justify seizing part or all of Ukraine and installing his buddy Yanukovich as governor/president/PM. No one buys it, but it provides Russia with a convenient excuse.
 
2014-02-28 05:04:51 PM  
Pretty sure that if your own people force you to abandon your elected position that you're no longer their leader.
 
2014-02-28 05:06:24 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.

if you can't be president of Ukraine you can at least be governor of a Russian Crimea.


Except that even the Crimeans don't want him because he's a coward... and even Pooty-poot is pretty much ignoring him now that he is of no use to him.
 
2014-02-28 05:18:42 PM  

IronOcelot: greentea1985: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.

Exactly. He is saying what needs to be said to give Russia a fig leaf under which to act. Yanukovich was never deposed and if he was, it was illegal. He just went on a surprise trip to visit Ukraine's ally, Russia while at home someone decided to illegally take over the country. Russia should thwart the illegal activities and over-throw the illegal government. This is what Russia and Yanukovich are planning on.

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And is what the hairsplitters at the UN will use to keep the EU and US out of it except for humanitarian aid and covert stuff.

Not that I think we should be getting involved anyway as we got enough on the table as is.


I think we are still paying off the loan for the table.
 
2014-02-28 05:19:28 PM  
 
2014-02-28 05:20:36 PM  
/www.standbyformindcontrol.com
 
2014-02-28 05:22:06 PM  

LewDux: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny has been placed under house arrest and forbidden from using the internet or receiving visitors.


OH NOEZ!  He can't get his porn!
 
2014-02-28 05:23:56 PM  

JerseyTim: jshine: JerseyTim: Well, Baghdad Bob turned out to be right in the end, so this might not be the comparison you're looking for.

Indeed - there were no Americans in Baghdad and all was well.

There were no WMDs.
Iraq will not be easy to capture. "They do not know in what mud they are wading."
The US are foreign invaders and civilians will resist them.

But, hey, he was such a funny character!



He also promised to equip American troops with new shoes, and I don't think that happened now did it, Mr. Smarty Pants?

"We will welcome them with bullets and shoes." -- Baghdad Bob

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljoke-iraqinfoministe r. htm
 
2014-02-28 05:26:26 PM  
shiat just hit the fan even worse, if the news is correct.

Russia moved it's troops into Ukraine.
 
2014-02-28 05:30:51 PM  

meat0918: shiat just hit the fan even worse, if the news is correct.

Russia moved it's troops into Ukraine.


jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-28 05:33:22 PM  

meat0918: shiat just hit the fan even worse, if the news is correct.

Russia moved it's troops into Ukraine.


img.fark.net
Those Russians just need some elbow room...
 
2014-02-28 05:33:33 PM  
I'll take "Abdications" for $100, Alex.
 
2014-02-28 05:35:14 PM  

LewDux: Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny has been placed under house arrest and forbidden from using the internet or receiving visitors.


With the Olympics done ol' Pooty-Poot can get back to what Russians do best.
Purge.
 
2014-02-28 05:35:27 PM  

meat0918: shiat just hit the fan even worse, if the news is correct.

Russia moved it's troops into Ukraine.


I'm following several international news agencies on Twitter, and no one is reporting this yet.
 
2014-02-28 05:42:32 PM  

cgraves67: I'm following several international news agencies on Twitter, and no one is reporting this yet.


Well, there's this:  http://news.yahoo.com/2-000-russian-soldiers-land-armed-invasion-crim e a-202159123.html;_ylt=AwrBJR.i8BBTI2MA9wXQtDMD

But that's really based on one report that's been circulating all day, along with more credible reports of smaller number of Russians in the areas around their naval base. Plus the speculation that those who took the airports and tv/telephone stations are really Russians or Russian-supported. Either way, it's nothing that is just breaking news, and it's not really a massive overland invasion -- more like just slowly taking control of an area while trying to provoke the Ukrainians to attack them.
 
2014-02-28 05:44:09 PM  

jshine: JerseyTim: jshine: JerseyTim: Well, Baghdad Bob turned out to be right in the end, so this might not be the comparison you're looking for.

Indeed - there were no Americans in Baghdad and all was well.

There were no WMDs.
Iraq will not be easy to capture. "They do not know in what mud they are wading."
The US are foreign invaders and civilians will resist them.

But, hey, he was such a funny character!

He also promised to equip American troops with new shoes, and I don't think that happened now did it, Mr. Smarty Pants?

"We will welcome them with bullets and shoes." -- Baghdad Bob

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljoke-iraqinfoministe r. htm



www.indybay.org
 
2014-02-28 05:49:29 PM  

JerseyTim: jshine: JerseyTim: jshine: JerseyTim: Well, Baghdad Bob turned out to be right in the end, so this might not be the comparison you're looking for.

Indeed - there were no Americans in Baghdad and all was well.

There were no WMDs.
Iraq will not be easy to capture. "They do not know in what mud they are wading."
The US are foreign invaders and civilians will resist them.

But, hey, he was such a funny character!

He also promised to equip American troops with new shoes, and I don't think that happened now did it, Mr. Smarty Pants?

"We will welcome them with bullets and shoes." -- Baghdad Bob

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljoke-iraqinfoministe r. htm


[www.indybay.org image 473x347]


It would have been a thing of beauty had the guy connected.
 
2014-02-28 06:12:33 PM  
img.fark.net

"Never talk to me like that again! No one deported me! I am Dictator. Dictator existed long before democracy. I exiled myself. I cannot be repatriated. I am all powerful! And so very lonely without all my stuff."
 
2014-02-28 06:18:05 PM  
"Completely unfounded. I'm just enjoying a change of scenery in tahiti. Oh, and that's not a backdrop!" <as 'margaritaville' starts to play in the background..>
 
2014-02-28 06:35:27 PM  

vygramul: JerseyTim: jshine: JerseyTim: jshine: JerseyTim: Well, Baghdad Bob turned out to be right in the end, so this might not be the comparison you're looking for.

Indeed - there were no Americans in Baghdad and all was well.

There were no WMDs.
Iraq will not be easy to capture. "They do not know in what mud they are wading."
The US are foreign invaders and civilians will resist them.

But, hey, he was such a funny character!

He also promised to equip American troops with new shoes, and I don't think that happened now did it, Mr. Smarty Pants?

"We will welcome them with bullets and shoes." -- Baghdad Bob

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljoke-iraqinfoministe r. htm


[www.indybay.org image 473x347]

It would have been a thing of beauty had the guy connected.


Please.  Bush is a grand master of ducking things.
 
2014-02-28 06:41:30 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: vygramul: JerseyTim: jshine: JerseyTim: jshine: JerseyTim: Well, Baghdad Bob turned out to be right in the end, so this might not be the comparison you're looking for.

Indeed - there were no Americans in Baghdad and all was well.

There were no WMDs.
Iraq will not be easy to capture. "They do not know in what mud they are wading."
The US are foreign invaders and civilians will resist them.

But, hey, he was such a funny character!

He also promised to equip American troops with new shoes, and I don't think that happened now did it, Mr. Smarty Pants?

"We will welcome them with bullets and shoes." -- Baghdad Bob

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljoke-iraqinfoministe r. htm


[www.indybay.org image 473x347]

It would have been a thing of beauty had the guy connected.

Please.  Bush is a grand master of ducking things.


Well played, masked hero.
 
2014-02-28 07:21:03 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Everything is fine
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How I miss him!  The M-1's could have been pulling up in the background and Baghdad Bob would be shaking his head, with that little smile, "No, that's not the Americans.  It must be somebody else, but, for sure, it's not the Americans."   What a pro!  I was so sure that he would have been picked up, to be a corporate flack by someone.  "Just tell me what you want me to say. It makes no difference to me. It could be noon and I'll tell them it's actually midnight and that's not the Sun that they see up there. It really makes no difference."  Whatever happened to him?
 
2014-02-28 07:50:47 PM  

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.


Will there be a big issue with this? I mean, from the rest of the Ukraine.

I know that Russia gave Crimea to the Ukraine, but it isn't enough to say 'no backsies' they have to defend / take it. By the time that NATO is able to get a sufficient force there to threaten it, Russia could easily hold 'elections' for them to declare sovereignty from the rest.

This isn't Iraq, Russia's on the security council at the UN. They'd veto anything that threatened their move, if they can.

I admit, I'm out of my depth here...
 
2014-02-28 08:54:41 PM  

zimbomba63: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Everything is fine
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How I miss him!  The M-1's could have been pulling up in the background and Baghdad Bob would be shaking his head, with that little smile, "No, that's not the Americans.  It must be somebody else, but, for sure, it's not the Americans."   What a pro!  I was so sure that he would have been picked up, to be a corporate flack by someone.  "Just tell me what you want me to say. It makes no difference to me. It could be noon and I'll tell them it's actually midnight and that's not the Sun that they see up there. It really makes no difference."  Whatever happened to him?


i was thinking he could make a living doing product placement commercials using his old uniform.
 
2014-02-28 09:13:51 PM  
Easy way to solve this problem let the russians in the Crimea move back to Russia and Putin can provide them with housing and employment and get the russian ships the fark out,
 
Esn
2014-02-28 11:45:05 PM  

durbnpoisn: greentea1985: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: This sounds suspiciously like an opportunity to portray himself as the legitimate government of Ukraine, establish a Russian-backed alternative to that in Kiev and ... well, partition the country.

Exactly. He is saying what needs to be said to give Russia a fig leaf under which to act. Yanukovich was never deposed and if he was, it was illegal. He just went on a surprise trip to visit Ukraine's ally, Russia while at home someone decided to illegally take over the country. Russia should thwart the illegal activities and over-throw the illegal government. This is what Russia and Yanukovich are planning on.

Who exactly is he trying to sell that story to?  Because that's clearly not the truth.
I'm guessing the answer to that question is "the rest of the world".  Because if, and when, the Russian's move in, there has to be some support from the rest of the world.  Common sense would dictate, anyway.



Statement by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs regarding the events in Ukraine (released 27 February 2014):


The agreement on the settlement of the Ukrainian crisis, which was signed on the 21 February and certified by the German, Polish and French Foreign Ministers, is still not being fulfilled. Militants have still not laid down arms, they have not freed administrative buildings, or announced their intention to "make order" in all the Ukrainian regions. There are threats of physical reprisals, as the President Viktor Yanukovych emphasised in his statement today.

The agreement to jointly investigate acts of violence and the obligation to create a national unity government, have been forgotten. Instead, as Maidan puts it, a "government of champions", which includes representatives of national extremists, is being created.

The agreements about constitutional reform, which should precede presidential elections according to the Agreement of the 21 February, have been forgotten. We are convinced that only a constitutional framework, ensuring the interests of all responsible political forces and all regions of Ukraine, corresponds to the interests of national peace and stability in the long term.

We appeal to those western partners, who initially supported the opposition and who supported the Agreement of the 21 February, to become fully aware of their responsibility for its implementation. The statements that this document has already played its role are not serious. All the taskslisted and agreed on the 21 February, have not lost their meaning, in fact they have become even more topical to prevent further polarisation of the community as a result of radical actions.

We must stop interference in church affairs, the besmearing of Orthodox temples, memorials in honour of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, who freed Ukraine from fascism, and other monuments.

We are seriously concerned about the cancellation of the Law on the Foundations of the State Language Policy in violation of Ukraine's international obligations, which leads to further deprivation of the rights of minorities, restriction of the freedom of mass media, bans on the activities of individual political parties.

We currently note frequent appeals to Russia,by western countries, for cooperation about issues related to the situation in Ukraine. We proposed this long ago, long before this crisis ever entered its hot phase, however, at the time our colleagues were not disposed towards this.


Nevertheless, we are ready to interact, understanding clearly that it must be done honestly, based on the ability not only to agree, but also to fulfill the agreements, which should take into account the interests of all the Ukrainian people, as well as all partners of Ukraine. The implementation of obligations under the Agreement of the 21 February would become an important step along this path.
The attempts to replay agreed actions unilaterally every time, the lack of any wish to perceive the real situation as it is, never leads to any good. When NATO starts reviewing the situation in Ukraine, it sends the wrong signal. It even seemed appropriate for the NATO Secretary General to mention that "Ukraine's membership of NATO is not an urgent priority of the Ukrainian leadership". Does this mean that membership should be a priority, but not an urgent one? They are attempting to decide for the Ukrainian people again.

We insistently recommend that everybody should refuse provocative statements and respect the out-of-bloc status of Ukraine, which is formalised in its Law on the Foundations of Domestic and Foreign Policy.


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So, yeah, in case you were wondering what Russia's strategy is (at least the political one), it's laid out pretty clearly here.
 
rpl
2014-03-01 06:23:59 AM  

Pattuq: Pretty sure that if your own people force you to abandon your elected position that you're no longer their leader.


Imagine the tea party* picnics from a few years ago as a series of massive violent riots all over Washington with barricades, rocks, molotovs and firearms that somehow grow to such an extent that a group of TP-affiliated congressmen (accompanied by grumpy armed guys who for some reason refuse to remove their masks despite the 'hostilities' being 'over') announce that Obama is no longer president (as mobs of people raid his and other democrats' properties). Also 'Jesus" is now the official language and the constitution is rolled back because fark the amendments.

Coup or "will of the people"?
Is Obama still president?
What do you imagine the actions of the blue states will be?
How many USs will there be in a year, how many of them will be "independent" and how many will be Canadian/Mexican protectorates?

* feel free to replace Obama with Bush and the TP with OWS if the above doesn't fit your political position
 
2014-03-01 07:21:53 AM  

rpl: Pattuq: Pretty sure that if your own people force you to abandon your elected position that you're no longer their leader.

Imagine the tea party* picnics from a few years ago as a series of massive violent riots all over Washington with barricades, rocks, molotovs and firearms that somehow grow to such an extent that a group of TP-affiliated congressmen (accompanied by grumpy armed guys who for some reason refuse to remove their masks despite the 'hostilities' being 'over') announce that Obama is no longer president (as mobs of people raid his and other democrats' properties). Also 'Jesus" is now the official language and the constitution is rolled back because fark the amendments.

Coup or "will of the people"?
Is Obama still president?
What do you imagine the actions of the blue states will be?
How many USs will there be in a year, how many of them will be "independent" and how many will be Canadian/Mexican protectorates?

* feel free to replace Obama with Bush and the TP with OWS if the above doesn't fit your political position


It should be obvious by now that successful revolutions are legitimate and unsuccessful revolutions illegal. If Crimea splits off and manages to stay split-off, it will be a legitimate secession.
 
2014-03-01 11:34:20 AM  
The Ukraine might still hang together, if nobody does anything stupid.
 
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