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(The Verge)   Microsoft experimenting with free version of Windows 8.1. Still overpriced   (theverge.com) divider line 153
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2014-02-28 12:51:15 PM  
I feel I've reached some geek threshold where I simply don't feel strongly about Windows or Microsoft.  8.1 seems fine to me.
 
2014-02-28 12:51:53 PM  
i60.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-28 12:53:16 PM  
Win8 upgrades were $40 when it first came out and that didn't drive a lot of upgrades.
 
2014-02-28 12:53:48 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I feel I've reached some geek threshold where I simply don't feel strongly about Windows or Microsoft.  8.1 seems fine to me.


It makes me pine for using Unity under Ubuntu.

And I really don't like Unity.
 
2014-02-28 12:54:59 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I feel I've reached some geek threshold where I simply don't feel strongly about Windows or Microsoft.  8.1 seems fine to me.


Any issues to look out for? Tips/tricks? I'll soon be getting a new business laptop and tablet with 8.1 (as an end-user). It'll be my first experience with the OS... still using 7 on my devices at home.
 
2014-02-28 12:55:15 PM  
They can have my XP when they pry it from my cold, dead, cheezy-poof encrusted fingers.

/Lazy AND cheap.
 
2014-02-28 01:06:03 PM  

new_york_monty: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I feel I've reached some geek threshold where I simply don't feel strongly about Windows or Microsoft.  8.1 seems fine to me.

Any issues to look out for? Tips/tricks? I'll soon be getting a new business laptop and tablet with 8.1 (as an end-user). It'll be my first experience with the OS... still using 7 on my devices at home.


*shrug* Just accept that it's a different interface paradigm and give yourself time to get used to it.  So long as you don't get stuck in the "but it's different than Windows 7!" mindset, you'll find yourself adapt sooner rather than later.
 
2014-02-28 01:11:55 PM  
My desktop background keeps changing itself to an ad for Surface tablets
 
2014-02-28 01:14:13 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: They can have my XP when they pry it from my cold, dead, cheezy-poof encrusted fingers.

/Lazy AND cheap.


Years ago, MS came out with Access for $99 which was FREE compared to the competition.
MS won that battle.

Pricing in the day of free software becomes even more interesting and complex.

1) give them a working GOOD version for free.
2) sell your flagship apps for that version at cut rate prices.
3) make up the difference in volume, enterprise and support.

On the other hand, most major companies use MsOffice right?

Excel 2010 alone has enough compelling features that I can not get with any other package.
For what I need it for, no one else even comes close to competing.
 
2014-02-28 01:14:50 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: My desktop background keeps changing itself to an ad for Surface tablets


virus??
 
2014-02-28 01:18:14 PM  

namatad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: My desktop background keeps changing itself to an ad for Surface tablets

virus??


Yeah... Windows 8.1
 
2014-02-28 01:18:41 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: new_york_monty: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I feel I've reached some geek threshold where I simply don't feel strongly about Windows or Microsoft.  8.1 seems fine to me.

Any issues to look out for? Tips/tricks? I'll soon be getting a new business laptop and tablet with 8.1 (as an end-user). It'll be my first experience with the OS... still using 7 on my devices at home.

*shrug* Just accept that it's a different interface paradigm and give yourself time to get used to it.  So long as you don't get stuck in the "but it's different than Windows 7!" mindset, you'll find yourself adapt sooner rather than later.


That's kind of how I plan to approach it. Our CIO has been looking for a guinea pig for Windows 8.1, but there's a lot of tech-illiterate people here. I told him I'd give it a go. For the tablet, it seems like a pretty decent OS, and if it doesn't work for me on the laptop, a downgrade is simple enough. I'm really just looking forward to playing with new productivity toys. Thanks!
 
2014-02-28 01:33:51 PM  
Sources familiar with Microsoft's plans tell The Verge that the company is building "Windows 8.1 with Bing,"

vipairsoft.net
 
2014-02-28 02:09:17 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-28 02:14:57 PM  
Every time I see "Bing" I winder who the hell came up with that name. It just doesn't work.

Stop trying to make Bing a thing.
 
2014-02-28 02:15:26 PM  
Actually, I quite like Windows 8.
 
2014-02-28 02:18:18 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Win8 upgrades were $40 when it first came out and that didn't drive a lot of upgrades.


I was really tempted, but Windows is mature enough that I don't mind skipping a major version between upgrades.  I'll probably give Win9 a hard look, though.
 
2014-02-28 02:21:39 PM  
Replace the "Nickelodeon Jr"-style desktop interface with one created for adults who would rather do their work than move colored boxes around the screen,
and we'll talk.
Skip the Bing sh*t and we'll talk some more. Till then, fuggeddaboutit.

What this should tell the mental defectives who I won't name here that always tout this software's interface as if they're actually gonna get some this friday night is that if your software is so bad you have to resort to (almost) giving it away, maybe you should rethink your design strategy.
 
2014-02-28 02:23:10 PM  

new_york_monty: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I feel I've reached some geek threshold where I simply don't feel strongly about Windows or Microsoft.  8.1 seems fine to me.

Any issues to look out for? Tips/tricks? I'll soon be getting a new business laptop and tablet with 8.1 (as an end-user). It'll be my first experience with the OS... still using 7 on my devices at home.


Just remember that you need to right click the start button. If you left click it it'll dump you back into the tile screen.
 
2014-02-28 02:23:11 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Win8 upgrades were $40 when it first came out and that didn't drive a lot of upgrades.


Eh, I bought it. It's been fine.

Once I installed Classic Shell, that is.
 
2014-02-28 02:33:22 PM  

Dinjiin: I'll probably give Win9 a hard look, though.


Pretty much this.  MS should only release half as many OSes as they actually do---just skip these "even numbered" iterations.  Windows 8 was just unnecessary---Win7 is still a fine OS; if it ain't broke, don't fix it.  In a few years when Win9 is announced, THEN it will be necessary.
 
2014-02-28 02:39:42 PM  

new_york_monty: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I feel I've reached some geek threshold where I simply don't feel strongly about Windows or Microsoft.  8.1 seems fine to me.

Any issues to look out for? Tips/tricks? I'll soon be getting a new business laptop and tablet with 8.1 (as an end-user). It'll be my first experience with the OS... still using 7 on my devices at home.


Yes: Start 8
 
2014-02-28 02:41:08 PM  
I think i'm just going to stick with my Mint/Mate combo.
it was free when it started, free today and still worth more than any version of Windows.
 
2014-02-28 02:41:56 PM  
Microsoft's new slogan for Windows should be:
"Windows - it sucks, but it's still the best option you've got"

As much as I hate to admit it, Windows 8(.1) is pretty darn awesome and there aren't many alternatives.  The best alternative is Windows 7.

Linux / Os X are great if you are willing to give up most of the stuff you like doing on your desktop.
 
2014-02-28 02:44:05 PM  
I still find it amusing that the marketed version number of Windows doesn't match its internal version number:

C:\>systeminfo | findstr /B /C:"OS Name" /C:"OS Version"
OS Name:                   Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
OS Version:                6.1.7600 N/A Build 7600

I'd imagine that Windows 8 is actually 7.
 
2014-02-28 02:45:04 PM  

RexTalionis: Actually, I quite like Windows 8.


Ditto. As we're starting to upgrade our monitors at the office to 4K, Windows 7 has a rough time handling the high res.

Our most recent 15 inch Dell Precision laptops have 3200 x 1800 screens - which is impossible to use with WIn 7, and look like ass when bumped to lower resolutions. Win 8 has proper high res scaling built into the OS.

I have our management using Surface Pros, which they love, but have yet to move our production CAD users to Win 8. With this spring update, it may be time to do that.
 
2014-02-28 02:49:12 PM  
I would consider 8.1 a good deal at free. You couldn't pay me to take 8 over 7, but 8.1 would be a fair deal for free. Full 8.1, though, not some bastardized hack-up missing features or full of ads or something.

That said, I've been using 8 since the preview and then 8.1 since its preview. The only thing that still routinely pisses me off is the comically useless Metro-style "search" you get when you start typing on the start screen or hit Winkey+F. If there were some way to change those to Explorer shell searches (the style from Windows 7 which is still available through extra steps in 8 and 8.1) without registry hacks or third-party tools I'd definitely upgrade my opinion of 8.1 from "annoying" to "livable".

I'd still rather just have the tech tools like Server Manager and the upgraded RSAT snap-ins available on 7 and forgo the whole "upgrade", though, given the chance to take ANY option.
 
2014-02-28 02:50:46 PM  
As a Mac user and casual Windows users, I like Windows 7.  Easy to understand like Windows XP, but works with my new(ish) computer better.  I will keep it on my Mac as long as its updated.

That said, as a casual Windows user I played with the Windows 8.1 beta and I could certainly live with it especially since it can now default to desktop.

oi57.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-28 02:53:36 PM  
Windows 8.1 with Bing? Someone at Microsoft actually believes Bing makes 8.1 more attractive to consumers? They can't be that out of touch with their customers. I have to believe at this point they are just active trolling. Microsoft knows there are no good alternatives in the marketplace, and they are just screwing with people right now.
 
2014-02-28 02:54:22 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: I still find it amusing that the marketed version number of Windows doesn't match its internal version number:

C:\>systeminfo | findstr /B /C:"OS Name" /C:"OS Version"
OS Name:                   Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
OS Version:                6.1.7600 N/A Build 7600

I'd imagine that Windows 8 is actually 7.


Actually, no, Windows 8 is NT 6.2. Windows 8.1 is NT 6.3.
 
2014-02-28 02:59:19 PM  

RexTalionis: The Crepes of Wrath: I still find it amusing that the marketed version number of Windows doesn't match its internal version number:

C:\>systeminfo | findstr /B /C:"OS Name" /C:"OS Version"
OS Name:                   Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
OS Version:                6.1.7600 N/A Build 7600

I'd imagine that Windows 8 is actually 7.

Actually, no, Windows 8 is NT 6.2. Windows 8.1 is NT 6.3.


But then again, NT 3.1 was actually the version version of NT...
 
2014-02-28 02:59:50 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Windows 8.1 with Bing? Someone at Microsoft actually believes Bing makes 8.1 more attractive to consumers? They can't be that out of touch with their customers. I have to believe at this point they are just active trolling. Microsoft knows there are no good alternatives in the marketplace, and they are just screwing with people right now.


I think what they're doing is trying to copy Amazon's business model with the Kindle (offer a cheaper version and make up the difference in ad revenue).
 
2014-02-28 03:01:35 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: its internal version number


That's because those are the NT kernel version numbers. They haven't been naming OSes after the kernel version in well over a decade.
 
2014-02-28 03:06:08 PM  

MrSteve007: Ditto. As we're starting to upgrade our monitors at the office to 4K, Windows 7 has a rough time handling the high res.


Why would your office actually spend money to do that?  Hell I still use an old CRT at home.  Granted it was a large top-end CRT back in it's day and should be replaced now by some large high res LED monitor.  It is funny I have this thing hooked to a gaming PC considering that it cannot do the high resolutions that someone would want a gaming PC for.  But heck it still works for now until I bother to upgrade.

Also it has been my experience that content within the resolution this thing can use (especially older low resolution content) looks MUCH better on this thing than on any LCDs I have used.  It made me sad everyone abandoned CRT in favor of LCD - If CRT was still be developed then it would still produce a better picture than LCD.  Yes LCD now wins because it supports much higher resolutions than the CRTs which have not be developed in a long time.  CRTs only real faults are weight and size.

Now for a work PC - why does 4K even matter?  I guess that is nice for you but how is that remotely going to make you more productive?  You could be working on a 10 year old LCD and I doubt it would affect your work much.  The clear exemptions would be if you where doing something like graphic design etc.  Past that I can't think why your office would spend money on 4K?
 
2014-02-28 03:07:40 PM  

bk3k: Now for a work PC - why does 4K even matter?


Maybe he works in graphics design or video processing. I mean, it's not as if nobody has a use for a 4K monitor.
 
2014-02-28 03:14:32 PM  

bk3k: Also it has been my experience that content within the resolution this thing can use (especially older low resolution content) looks MUCH better on this thing than on any LCDs I have used. It made me sad everyone abandoned CRT in favor of LCD - If CRT was still be developed then it would still produce a better picture than LCD. Yes LCD now wins because it supports much higher resolutions than the CRTs which have not be developed in a long time. CRTs only real faults are weight and size.

Now for a work PC - why does 4K even matter? I guess that is nice for you but how is that remotely going to make you more productive? You could be working on a 10 year old LCD and I doubt it would affect your work much. The clear exemptions would be if you where doing something like graphic design etc. Past that I can't think why your office would spend money on 4K?


They're architects, designing large buildings - who have to stare and manipulate detailed and complicated structural documents all day.

We publish most of our paper documents on "half-size" sheets (24"x36"). While it's not quite there, there's a lot of benefit of being able to look at the majority of the document, unscaled, on a 32 inch 4k monitor. We've found that more mistakes are made on documents that are viewed on smaller screens that have to be zoomed in and out constantly and too many problems weren't found until after we've published physical copies for the contractors/builders.
 
2014-02-28 03:18:30 PM  
If it is free....
And you include Mediacenter for free...
And the codec to be able to play MPEG, that needs to be free as well....

I might consider upgrading my Win7 computers.

Oh, and I want a full version disk - so I can do clean installs in the future.
 
2014-02-28 03:26:36 PM  

natgab: As a Mac user and casual Windows users, I like Windows 7.  Easy to understand like Windows XP, but works with my new(ish) computer better.  I will keep it on my Mac as long as its updated.

That said, as a casual Windows user I played with the Windows 8.1 beta and I could certainly live with it especially since it can now default to desktop.

[oi57.tinypic.com image 800x600]


Is the duckface included with the software or will I need to acquire my own?
 
2014-02-28 03:27:08 PM  
Any gamers running Windows 8.1?  Do you really see any noticeable difference in performance with the supposedly lower amount of overhead?
 
2014-02-28 03:28:30 PM  

MrEricSir: RexTalionis: The Crepes of Wrath: I still find it amusing that the marketed version number of Windows doesn't match its internal version number:

C:\>systeminfo | findstr /B /C:"OS Name" /C:"OS Version"
OS Name:                   Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
OS Version:                6.1.7600 N/A Build 7600

I'd imagine that Windows 8 is actually 7.

Actually, no, Windows 8 is NT 6.2. Windows 8.1 is NT 6.3.

But then again, NT 3.1 was actually the version version of NT...


It's mainly for compatibility. A lot of apps will fail their compatibility check and just refuse to run or install if the see NT 8.x instead of the 6.x they are expecting, even if they would run just fine otherwise. It always takes forever before the millions of Windows apps out there get updated to the new version number, so Microsoft is really reluctant to change the internal version number unless there is a HUGE change in the underlying Windows architecture and APIs, like there was with Vista.
 
2014-02-28 03:31:13 PM  

oldweasel: new_york_monty: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: I feel I've reached some geek threshold where I simply don't feel strongly about Windows or Microsoft.  8.1 seems fine to me.

Any issues to look out for? Tips/tricks? I'll soon be getting a new business laptop and tablet with 8.1 (as an end-user). It'll be my first experience with the OS... still using 7 on my devices at home.

Yes: Start 8


Or Classic Shell
 
2014-02-28 03:33:38 PM  

bk3k: MrSteve007: Ditto. As we're starting to upgrade our monitors at the office to 4K, Windows 7 has a rough time handling the high res.

Why would your office actually spend money to do that?  Hell I still use an old CRT at home.  Granted it was a large top-end CRT back in it's day and should be replaced now by some large high res LED monitor.  It is funny I have this thing hooked to a gaming PC considering that it cannot do the high resolutions that someone would want a gaming PC for.  But heck it still works for now until I bother to upgrade.

Also it has been my experience that content within the resolution this thing can use (especially older low resolution content) looks MUCH better on this thing than on any LCDs I have used.  It made me sad everyone abandoned CRT in favor of LCD - If CRT was still be developed then it would still produce a better picture than LCD.  Yes LCD now wins because it supports much higher resolutions than the CRTs which have not be developed in a long time.  CRTs only real faults are weight and size.

Now for a work PC - why does 4K even matter?  I guess that is nice for you but how is that remotely going to make you more productive?  You could be working on a 10 year old LCD and I doubt it would affect your work much.  The clear exemptions would be if you where doing something like graphic design etc.  Past that I can't think why your office would spend money on 4K?


Really?

Bulk, weight, size, power consumption, and the it takes more resources to build a crt not to mention the resouces it takes to landfill/recycle them.  Not to mention that CRTs are much harder on the eyes.
 
2014-02-28 03:34:38 PM  
I haven't really tired 8 or 8.1 yet. Is it really all that bad or is this about most people struggle with change (i.e. people that won't give up XP)?
 
2014-02-28 03:35:55 PM  

Mind of the North Star: I haven't really tired 8 or 8.1 yet. Is it really all that bad or is this about most people struggle with change (i.e. people that won't give up XP)?


A bit of both.  My biggest complaint is they used the same interface for Server 2012, which was completely pointless.
 
2014-02-28 03:37:48 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-28 03:40:11 PM  
Good. By the time my employer installs Windows 8, it may work.

\We're getting Windows 7 over the next month.
 
2014-02-28 03:42:44 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Mind of the North Star: I haven't really tired 8 or 8.1 yet. Is it really all that bad or is this about most people struggle with change (i.e. people that won't give up XP)?

A bit of both.  My biggest complaint is they used the same interface for Server 2012, which was completely pointless.


Remote management from a tablet maybe? Thats the only thing I can think of.
 
2014-02-28 03:43:11 PM  

Mind of the North Star: I haven't really tired 8 or 8.1 yet. Is it really all that bad or is this about most people struggle with change (i.e. people that won't give up XP)?


It's my JOB to deal with our companies IT on a daily basis, some people will like it (those who have never used a computer before), those that will adapt (the fairly techy types) and there will be those that won't cope with having to pretty much throw away 70% of their fairly sketchy IT knowledge.

All I know is I sure as hell wouldn't recommend it...and every time i want to do something with the system it really irritates me. Had i not discovered you could right click in the bottom left in order to get to control panel, i would probably have thrown my monitor out of a window by now.....win 8.1 infuriates me because the start button icon lures me in, and then BAM the start screen...incurring what can only be described as a pose resembling this

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-02-28 03:44:52 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Any gamers running Windows 8.1?  Do you really see any noticeable difference in performance with the supposedly lower amount of overhead?


I run 64-bit Win8.1. I play a fair amount of games, even the resource pig that is EQ2. The computer I have seems to run much faster than before (this was 32-bit Vista to 8.1, so MAJOR upgrade). I have a laptop that ran 7 that i upgraded to 8. Things seemed to run a little more smoothly under 8, but not nearly as much of an improvement as the desktop.

Took about 2-3 days of messing around, but am now used to the interface. I even have a Surface Pro with 8.1 on it that I like to use and even play CIV 5 on.

So far, seems to play nicely with games.
 
2014-02-28 03:46:32 PM  

funzyr: natgab: As a Mac user and casual Windows users, I like Windows 7.  Easy to understand like Windows XP, but works with my new(ish) computer better.  I will keep it on my Mac as long as its updated.

That said, as a casual Windows user I played with the Windows 8.1 beta and I could certainly live with it especially since it can now default to desktop.

[oi57.tinypic.com image 800x600]

Is the duckface included with the software or will I need to acquire my own?


---Duck face optional, Chloe mandatory.

Metro is annoying in that it took me a while to delete squares and move things around just to get the basic Office and FF tiles on the screen.  Its easier on Windows 7 to add the buttons on the bottom bar Mac style.
 
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