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2014-02-28 01:24:03 PM
"deep fried bacon & Nutella cheddarwurst casserole"

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2014-02-28 01:31:22 PM
Basically, the PSA says don't replace carbohydrates which huge amounts of fat and cholesterol.

mindblown.jpg
 
2014-02-28 01:34:09 PM
Eat food, not to much, mostly plants.
 
2014-02-28 01:50:31 PM
Your body produces cholesterol.    Cholesterol intake does not translate to cholesterol levels, blood lipids.  Increased cholesterol intake results in reduced cholesterol production in most healthy adults, resulting in reduced cholesterol levels overall.

70s nutritional science can die now, please.
 
2014-02-28 01:50:39 PM
There's only Doritos and water in the office right now.
 
2014-02-28 01:54:59 PM
I'm sure that he has a lot of data to back this up, right?
 
2014-02-28 02:00:07 PM

efgeise: Basically, the PSA says don't replace carbohydrates which huge amounts of fat and cholesterol.

mindblown.jpg


Yeah...my triglycerides went from 300-ish to less than 80. Total cholesterol from 300-ish to under 150. Eggs and sausage brekkie FTW! :)
 
2014-02-28 02:04:23 PM

meat0918: Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.


thank you mr. pollan. :P
 
2014-02-28 02:05:12 PM
Carbs are great.  They are tasty, delicious, and nutritious, and are getting a terrible rap lately from worshippers of the Atkins church.

Yes, yes, you lost weight.  Because you stopped eating so much food.
 
2014-02-28 02:05:22 PM
So the carb loaded bun and the texturized vegetable protein hot dog are good for you?   This is the same junk science that assumed correlation = causation that caused people to start blimping out.    Now you see it portrayed as Environment Friendly.   Of course there's always that pesky little thing called history giving him fits.   Roman diet was mostly grains, but the Germanic tribes lived mostly on meat.   Chronicles frequently state how tall and strong the Germans were compared to most Romans.    Pre Columbian Natives on the East Coast of North America had a high protein diet.   Frequent comments about how strong and healthy there were and how much taller they were than the Europeans who lived on grains.
 
2014-02-28 02:05:28 PM

TheYeti: I'm sure that he has a lot of data to back this up, right?


Actually, there have been lots of studies on it. The general consensus, which you can pick your own source for with a few simple Googles, is that there's no risk associated with cutting processed carbs if you replace them with sensible portions of fruits and vegetables.

But that's just common sense and it isn't very marketable. What really happens with these stupid fad diets is that gullible fatasses who don't really want to change their bad habits start doing stupid things like ordering 1/2 pound hamburgers minus the bun and then raving about how much weight they're losing by cutting bread out of their diet even as their arteries turn into hardened sewer tunnels clogged with garbage.

THAT'S where the concern lies. If you were buying groceries ten years ago you could see it very clearly with all the "Atkins" stamps and "LOW CARB" advertising on some of the most obviously unhealthy garbage available in the freezer section of the grocery store.
 
2014-02-28 02:06:44 PM

StupidFly: Your body produces cholesterol.    Cholesterol intake does not translate to cholesterol levels, blood lipids.  Increased cholesterol intake results in reduced cholesterol production in most healthy adults, resulting in reduced cholesterol levels overall.

70s nutritional science can die now, please.


Obligatory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCeFmn_e2c Clip from 'Sleeper' 1973
 
2014-02-28 02:13:12 PM

Uncontrolled_Jibe: Of course there's always that pesky little thing called history giving him fits. Roman diet was mostly grains, but the Germanic tribes lived mostly on meat. Chronicles frequently state how tall and strong the Germans were compared to most Romans. Pre Columbian Natives on the East Coast of North America had a high protein diet. Frequent comments about how strong and healthy there were and how much taller they were than the Europeans who lived on grains.


So what? I sit in an office at a computer all day, I'm not invading Visigoth villages for a living or hitting nearby competing tribes and stealing their women. I care about what's going to help me avoid maladies of old age like cancer and heart disease. You know. The sorts of things people who spent a lot of time on an ancient battlefield in foreign lands probably didn't have to worry about.
 
2014-02-28 02:18:12 PM
Please tell me you have a recipe for that.
 
2014-02-28 02:18:27 PM

meat0918: Eat food, not to much, mostly plants.


*looks at bag of Cheetos*
That's just crazy enough it might work!
 
2014-02-28 02:26:01 PM

Vacation Bible School: meat0918: Eat food, not to much, mostly plants.

*looks at bag of Cheetos*
That's just crazy enough it might work!


The cheetos are mostly made of plants.

/hate cheetos
/cheez doodles are cool
 
2014-02-28 02:30:30 PM

Vacation Bible School: meat0918: Eat food, not to much, mostly plants.

*looks at bag of Cheetos*
That's just crazy enough it might work!


He said food. Grains aren't food.

/Unless you are a bird
//Are you a bird?
 
2014-02-28 02:31:46 PM

Uncontrolled_Jibe: So the carb loaded bun and the texturized vegetable protein hot dog are good for you?   This is the same junk science that assumed correlation = causation that caused people to start blimping out.    Now you see it portrayed as Environment Friendly.   Of course there's always that pesky little thing called history giving him fits.   Roman diet was mostly grains, but the Germanic tribes lived mostly on meat.   Chronicles frequently state how tall and strong the Germans were compared to most Romans.    Pre Columbian Natives on the East Coast of North America had a high protein diet.   Frequent comments about how strong and healthy there were and how much taller they were than the Europeans who lived on grains.


Europe discovered the hard way how you're supposed to eat corn.
 
2014-02-28 02:34:23 PM

jxb465: Vacation Bible School: meat0918: Eat food, not to much, mostly plants.

*looks at bag of Cheetos*
That's just crazy enough it might work!

He said food. Grains aren't food.

/Unless you are a bird
//Are you a bird?


Grains are plants.  I have a common ancestor with birds.  It took them evolving into us to figure out how to grow them on demand.  Smart birds.
 
2014-02-28 02:43:39 PM
The Atkins Diet is bullshiat.
The Paleo Diet is bullshiat.

Any diet that has a catchy name is about selling you something, not keeping you healthy.

My mother went on the Atkins diet. Within five years she had a stroke; her farking carotid artery was a solid mass of cholesterol. Now I get to wipe her ass for her every day for the rest of her life!

If necromancy were a real thing I'd revive Robert Atkins just so I could wring his Goddamn neck.
 
2014-02-28 02:45:11 PM

skozlaw: TheYeti: I'm sure that he has a lot of data to back this up, right?

Actually, there have been lots of studies on it. The general consensus, which you can pick your own source for with a few simple Googles, is that there's no risk associated with cutting processed carbs if you replace them with sensible portions of fruits and vegetables.

But that's just common sense and it isn't very marketable. What really happens with these stupid fad diets is that gullible fatasses who don't really want to change their bad habits start doing stupid things like ordering 1/2 pound hamburgers minus the bun and then raving about how much weight they're losing by cutting bread out of their diet even as their arteries turn into hardened sewer tunnels clogged with garbage.

THAT'S where the concern lies. If you were buying groceries ten years ago you could see it very clearly with all the "Atkins" stamps and "LOW CARB" advertising on some of the most obviously unhealthy garbage available in the freezer section of the grocery store.


We are actually i probably in agreement for the most part.  I was just poking fun at the fact that because a random nutritionist labels something as "bad" people will just buy it without question.

You can eat meat, fish, some healthy fats, and vegetables.

OR you can drink diet soda, eat pork skins, and guzzle mayo.

Both carb restricted diets.
 
2014-02-28 02:59:20 PM

Anonymous Bosch: The Atkins Diet is bullshiat.
The Paleo Diet is bullshiat.

Any diet that has a catchy name is about selling you something, not keeping you healthy.

My mother went on the Atkins diet. Within five years she had a stroke; her farking carotid artery was a solid mass of cholesterol. Now I get to wipe her ass for her every day for the rest of her life!

If necromancy were a real thing I'd revive Robert Atkins just so I could wring his Goddamn neck.


While I agree that the Atkins diet was sort of silly. But....

....aside from the possible theory of the Paleo diet that makes it sound like a fad diet, there's nothing inherently wrong with the Paleo diet. The name sounds like you are mostly going to be eating dirt or dinosaurs, but in practice it's primarily "avoid grains, processed foods, and refined sugars". I fail to see how that's "fadish" unless Cheetos is your main source of nutrition.
 
2014-02-28 03:04:48 PM

snowshovel: Anonymous Bosch: The Atkins Diet is bullshiat.
The Paleo Diet is bullshiat.

Any diet that has a catchy name is about selling you something, not keeping you healthy.

My mother went on the Atkins diet. Within five years she had a stroke; her farking carotid artery was a solid mass of cholesterol. Now I get to wipe her ass for her every day for the rest of her life!

If necromancy were a real thing I'd revive Robert Atkins just so I could wring his Goddamn neck.

While I agree that the Atkins diet was sort of silly. But....

....aside from the possible theory of the Paleo diet that makes it sound like a fad diet, there's nothing inherently wrong with the Paleo diet. The name sounds like you are mostly going to be eating dirt or dinosaurs, but in practice it's primarily "avoid grains, processed foods, and refined sugars". I fail to see how that's "fadish" unless Cheetos is your main source of nutrition.


It's "faddish" because grains are a huge part of most people's healthy diets, and because lots of people think Paleo means just eat meat and salad, and because avoiding junk refined sugar products is not exactly a novel thought.  And because its historical justifications are hugely suspect if not entirely wrongheaded.  And because it has a name, and because it's trendy, and because it's a money making enterprise.  And because it's suddenly popular.  It's a fad.
 
2014-02-28 03:06:53 PM

Far Cough: Carbs are great.  They are tasty, delicious, and nutritious, and are getting a terrible rap lately from worshippers of the Atkins church.

Yes, yes, you lost weight.  Because you stopped eating so much food.


Actually it's getting retrotted by the Paleo crunch. Which is similar except Atkins didn't have the huge gym and fanatic devotion thing associated.

It makes sense on paper anyway. Lots of vegetables, lots of meat. A little fruit, and as little as possible empty carbs like sugar and grain.

I still don't honestly buy the whole 'legumes are Satan' thing.
 
2014-02-28 03:08:20 PM
Blah blah blah eat less blah exercise more blah blah.
 
2014-02-28 03:08:22 PM

snowshovel: Anonymous Bosch: The Atkins Diet is bullshiat.
The Paleo Diet is bullshiat.

Any diet that has a catchy name is about selling you something, not keeping you healthy.

My mother went on the Atkins diet. Within five years she had a stroke; her farking carotid artery was a solid mass of cholesterol. Now I get to wipe her ass for her every day for the rest of her life!

If necromancy were a real thing I'd revive Robert Atkins just so I could wring his Goddamn neck.

While I agree that the Atkins diet was sort of silly. But....

....aside from the possible theory of the Paleo diet that makes it sound like a fad diet, there's nothing inherently wrong with the Paleo diet. The name sounds like you are mostly going to be eating dirt or dinosaurs, but in practice it's primarily "avoid grains, processed foods, and refined sugars". I fail to see how that's "fadish" unless Cheetos is your main source of nutrition.


Yep...people taking the caveman thing seriously is kind of funny, but for the most part the paleo-type diet advocates healthy eating and *GASP* exercise.
 
2014-02-28 03:09:28 PM
Low carb diets have been around for 40 year and there is plenty if research in it. Hell, south beach was designed by a farking cardiologist. And it wasn't low carb as much as it was low simple carbs.
 
2014-02-28 03:10:16 PM

meat0918: Eat food, not to much, mostly plants.


but plants are full of natural pesticides.  It has to be true because I read it on Fark!

now from TFA

i.dailymail.co.uk

Sure, like a hot dog in that much bread is lo-carb
 
2014-02-28 03:12:33 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: meat0918: Eat food, not to much, mostly plants.

but plants are full of natural pesticides.  It has to be true because I read it on Fark!

now from TFA

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x681]

Sure, like a hot dog in that much bread is lo-carb


Is that really from the article?  It looks like a ready-made Fark meme.  She don't want his wiener.

/is that two tone mustard?
/mayo following the trail?
 
2014-02-28 03:13:14 PM

kroonermanblack: Far Cough: Carbs are great.  They are tasty, delicious, and nutritious, and are getting a terrible rap lately from worshippers of the Atkins church.

Yes, yes, you lost weight.  Because you stopped eating so much food.

Actually it's getting retrotted by the Paleo crunch. Which is similar except Atkins didn't have the huge gym and fanatic devotion thing associated.

It makes sense on paper anyway. Lots of vegetables, lots of meat. A little fruit, and as little as possible empty carbs like sugar and grain.

I still don't honestly buy the whole 'legumes are Satan' thing.


In the Metabolic diet, depending in how you rank its ok to eat some legumes and carbs but just a few bites each meal. The rest of it is basically Adkins with a lot of vegetables and a lot of water.
 
2014-02-28 03:16:41 PM
I wasn't aware they demonized legumes too.  How strange and arbitrary.  I practically live on them.

As long as we're on the subject, I had my very first deep fried Oreo yesterday.  I'm not a huge Oreo fan, but that thing was DELICIOUS!  It didn't seem much at all like an Oreo, more like a cake or pastry.
 
2014-02-28 03:25:36 PM

Far Cough: snowshovel: While I agree that the Atkins diet was sort of silly. But....

....aside from the possible theory of the Paleo diet that makes it sound like a fad diet, there's nothing inherently wrong with the Paleo diet. The name sounds like you are mostly going to be eating dirt or dinosaurs, but in practice it's primarily "avoid grains, processed foods, and refined sugars". I fail to see how that's "fadish" unless Cheetos is your main source of nutrition.

It's "faddish" because grains are a huge part of most people's healthy diets, and because lots of people think Paleo means just eat meat and salad, and because avoiding junk refined sugar products is not exactly a novel thought. And because its historical justifications are hugely suspect if not entirely wrongheaded. And because it has a name, and because it's trendy, and because it's a money making enterprise. And because it's suddenly popular. It's a fad.


Are you saying "both sides are fad"?

// sorrynotsorry
 
2014-02-28 03:29:20 PM

Far Cough: I wasn't aware they demonized legumes too.  How strange and arbitrary.  I practically live on them.

As long as we're on the subject, I had my very first deep fried Oreo yesterday.  I'm not a huge Oreo fan, but that thing was DELICIOUS!  It didn't seem much at all like an Oreo, more like a cake or pastry.


Legumes, for instance peas, are a starchy vegetable.  Starch is what is 'demonized'

/even legumes that are commonly called nuts, like peanuts, are starchy

btw, forgot to snipe at subby for implying Nutlla is low carb.   From label:

Serving size : 37 grams
Sugar per serving: 21 grams

21 grams of carbs is not low.

And for those who were told there would be no math, that's more than 56% sugar
 
2014-02-28 03:37:32 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Far Cough: I wasn't aware they demonized legumes too.  How strange and arbitrary.  I practically live on them.

As long as we're on the subject, I had my very first deep fried Oreo yesterday.  I'm not a huge Oreo fan, but that thing was DELICIOUS!  It didn't seem much at all like an Oreo, more like a cake or pastry.

Legumes, for instance peas, are a starchy vegetable.  Starch is what is 'demonized'

/even legumes that are commonly called nuts, like peanuts, are starchy

btw, forgot to snipe at subby for implying Nutlla is low carb.   From label:

Serving size : 37 grams
Sugar per serving: 21 grams

21 grams of carbs is not low.

And for those who were told there would be no math, that's more than 56% sugar


So if I understand you correctly, I should next try two oreos fried with Nutella in the middle, is that it?  I LIKE the way you're thinking.


/oreo filling is Crisco!  Crisco I tells ya!
/maybe it soaks through the cookie crumb when fried
/too busy eating it to examine closely
 
2014-02-28 03:44:42 PM

Far Cough: Vlad_the_Inaner: Far Cough: I wasn't aware they demonized legumes too.  How strange and arbitrary.  I practically live on them.

As long as we're on the subject, I had my very first deep fried Oreo yesterday.  I'm not a huge Oreo fan, but that thing was DELICIOUS!  It didn't seem much at all like an Oreo, more like a cake or pastry.

Legumes, for instance peas, are a starchy vegetable.  Starch is what is 'demonized'

/even legumes that are commonly called nuts, like peanuts, are starchy

btw, forgot to snipe at subby for implying Nutlla is low carb.   From label:

Serving size : 37 grams
Sugar per serving: 21 grams

21 grams of carbs is not low.

And for those who were told there would be no math, that's more than 56% sugar

So if I understand you correctly, I should next try two oreos fried with Nutella in the middle, is that it?  I LIKE the way you're thinking.



Nutella tastes great.  Last time I had it was on crepes 13 years ago.

But when your carbohydrate metabolism is farked, its better to avoid that stuff.

/actually I bet those tubular cookies that come in a tall can are filled with that stuff, so knock a couple of years off that 13.

www.pepperidgefarm.com
 
2014-02-28 03:51:49 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: But when your carbohydrate metabolism is farked, its better to avoid that stuff.


Oh are you actually on Atkins/Paleo/South Whatever ?  Sorry to hear it.  But I hope it's working out for you.

As an armchair bionutritionist talking out of my GI tract, I question the value of omitting carbs from your diet long term, especially if you think you have a problem with them.  I am guessing, again from my armchair here, that you would be LESS likely to increase your tolerance or processing skills by eliminating them completely....

/school me gently if you must
 
2014-02-28 03:59:34 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: /even legumes that are commonly called nuts, like peanuts, are starchy


LOLWUT.
 
2014-02-28 04:00:23 PM

skozlaw: TheYeti: I'm sure that he has a lot of data to back this up, right?

Actually, there have been lots of studies on it. The general consensus, which you can pick your own source for with a few simple Googles, is that there's no risk associated with cutting processed carbs if you replace them with sensible portions of fruits and vegetables.

But that's just common sense and it isn't very marketable. What really happens with these stupid fad diets is that gullible fatasses who don't really want to change their bad habits start doing stupid things like ordering 1/2 pound hamburgers minus the bun and then raving about how much weight they're losing by cutting bread out of their diet even as their arteries turn into hardened sewer tunnels clogged with garbage.

THAT'S where the concern lies. If you were buying groceries ten years ago you could see it very clearly with all the "Atkins" stamps and "LOW CARB" advertising on some of the most obviously unhealthy garbage available in the freezer section of the grocery store.


i think i found the problem with your diet
 
2014-02-28 04:02:37 PM

Far Cough: Carbs are great.  They are tasty, delicious, and nutritious


Most of them really aren't.  

Fruits and vegetables yes.
Grains are something you should add for pleasure, not something you should convince yourself is a healthy part of a balanced diet.  A healthy balanced diet, honestly, should remove them.

You can whine about atkins and other extreme diets all you want, but I've yet to see one example of some form of nutrition we need grains for. At best they contain things we can get elsewhere along with things we don't need (you know, like the carbs themselves).
 
2014-02-28 04:02:39 PM

Far Cough: snowshovel: Anonymous Bosch: The Atkins Diet is bullshiat.
The Paleo Diet is bullshiat.

Any diet that has a catchy name is about selling you something, not keeping you healthy.

My mother went on the Atkins diet. Within five years she had a stroke; her farking carotid artery was a solid mass of cholesterol. Now I get to wipe her ass for her every day for the rest of her life!

If necromancy were a real thing I'd revive Robert Atkins just so I could wring his Goddamn neck.

While I agree that the Atkins diet was sort of silly. But....

....aside from the possible theory of the Paleo diet that makes it sound like a fad diet, there's nothing inherently wrong with the Paleo diet. The name sounds like you are mostly going to be eating dirt or dinosaurs, but in practice it's primarily "avoid grains, processed foods, and refined sugars". I fail to see how that's "fadish" unless Cheetos is your main source of nutrition.

It's "faddish" because grains are a huge part of most people's healthy diets, and because lots of people think Paleo means just eat meat and salad, and because avoiding junk refined sugar products is not exactly a novel thought.  And because its historical justifications are hugely suspect if not entirely wrongheaded.  And because it has a name, and because it's trendy, and because it's a money making enterprise.  And because it's suddenly popular.  It's a fad.stop liking what i don't like


ftfy
 
2014-02-28 04:05:14 PM
Your body produces cholesterol. Cholesterol intake does not translate to cholesterol levels, blood lipids. Increased cholesterol intake results in reduced cholesterol production in most healthy adults, resulting in reduced cholesterol levels overall.

70s nutritional science can die now, please.


Trolling? You can't actually be serious with this. Sooo by your logic vegetarians would have reaaaallly high cholesterol levels?
 
2014-02-28 04:13:16 PM

Smackledorfer: Far Cough: Carbs are great.  They are tasty, delicious, and nutritious

Most of them really aren't.  

Fruits and vegetables yes.
Grains are something you should add for pleasure, not something you should convince yourself is a healthy part of a balanced diet.  A healthy balanced diet, honestly, should remove them.

You can whine about atkins and other extreme diets all you want, but I've yet to see one example of some form of nutrition we need grains for. At best they contain things we can get elsewhere along with things we don't need (you know, like the carbs themselves).


I honestly don't understand.  Carbs and protein and fats and vitamins found in grains aren't valuable?

inner ted: Far Cough: snowshovel: Anonymous Bosch: The Atkins Diet is bullshiat.
The Paleo Diet is bullshiat.

Any diet that has a catchy name is about selling you something, not keeping you healthy.

My mother went on the Atkins diet. Within five years she had a stroke; her farking carotid artery was a solid mass of cholesterol. Now I get to wipe her ass for her every day for the rest of her life!

If necromancy were a real thing I'd revive Robert Atkins just so I could wring his Goddamn neck.

While I agree that the Atkins diet was sort of silly. But....

....aside from the possible theory of the Paleo diet that makes it sound like a fad diet, there's nothing inherently wrong with the Paleo diet. The name sounds like you are mostly going to be eating dirt or dinosaurs, but in practice it's primarily "avoid grains, processed foods, and refined sugars". I fail to see how that's "fadish" unless Cheetos is your main source of nutrition.

It's "faddish" because grains are a huge part of most people's healthy diets, and because lots of people think Paleo means just eat meat and salad, and because avoiding junk refined sugar products is not exactly a novel thought.  And because its historical justifications are hugely suspect if not entirely wrongheaded.  And because it has a name, and because it's trendy, and because it's a money making enterprise.  And because it's suddenly popular.  It's a fad.stop liking what i don't like

ftfy


Mr. ted sir, if a new trend suddenly popular in stores and books and media and consumers isn't a "fad", what do you judge it to be?  I may be right or wrong about its value, but how is this NOT a fad?  I didn't even say "passing" fad.  You may think it's a permanent long-term change for the better in human health, or something like that, but that doesn't change the fact that this sudden interest in the diet and the name and 3,000 cookbooks and lifestyle seminars  is fad.  So don't be a dick, okay?
 
2014-02-28 04:14:26 PM
"is a fad"

Blew the landing.
 
2014-02-28 04:16:02 PM

Far Cough: Vlad_the_Inaner: But when your carbohydrate metabolism is farked, its better to avoid that stuff.

Oh are you actually on Atkins/Paleo/South Whatever ?  Sorry to hear it.  But I hope it's working out for you.

As an armchair bionutritionist talking out of my GI tract, I question the value of omitting carbs from your diet long term, especially if you think you have a problem with them.  I am guessing, again from my armchair here, that you would be LESS likely to increase your tolerance or processing skills by eliminating them completely....

/school me gently if you must


Yeah, what I'm on is one by a Dr Richard K Bernstein.

Maybe you know him, he's the guy who pioneered diabetics using a blood glucose meter. A diabetic who had his MD Dr wife buy him a meter that was originally intended for ER use, circa 1969.  Started an engineer, went back to School for a MD. Who'd have thunk that medical doctors didn't know about the Nyquist Sampling Theorem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_K._Bernstein

My numbers have been fine, except this quarter.  My A1C has been below 6 for years, but came out 6.2 last blood test.  Still trying to trace just what cause that.  I'll be pissed if they started using something like cornstarch as a carrying agent in the instant coffee I drink..  6.2 is still much better control than most diabetic achieve.  Lipid tests are OK too.

Basically what seems to be the case with me, is my body still retains some insulin production.  So low carb doesn't drain reserves.   Something like Splenda, which is not nutritionally a useable carb anymore actually brings my blood sugar lower, but apparently by triggering an insulin release that depletes other glucose in my blood.

I used to use it to try a blunt a 'dawn effect' blood sugar spike I'd get after waking up.  But the effect on my A1C number (a measure of long term control) was detrimental.  My hypothesis was that using up the reduced insulin because of splenda increased my average blood sugar over the whole day, even if it did blunt a spike.

Anyway, I have been eating more plants recently than in earlier days, so maybe I should blame them.  Sheer laziness, plants are easier to eat than meat, less cooking, less spoilage.
 
2014-02-28 04:16:08 PM

Far Cough: jxb465: Vacation Bible School: meat0918: Eat food, not to much, mostly plants.

*looks at bag of Cheetos*
That's just crazy enough it might work!

He said food. Grains aren't food.

/Unless you are a bird
//Are you a bird?

Grains are plants.  I have a common ancestor with birds.  It took them evolving into us to figure out how to grow them on demand.  Smart birds.


Brand new poster, jumped right in to TF.

Account created:2014-01-07 18:02:06  (7 weeks ago)

Hmm, could it be a troll?
 
2014-02-28 04:20:50 PM

Smackledorfer: Grains are something you should add for pleasure, not something you should convince yourself is a healthy part of a balanced diet. A healthy balanced diet, honestly, should remove them.


Bull. Shiat. As a proud omnivore from a proud lineage of omnivory, I'm going to eat as many types of things as possible. Maximize the number of species on your plate is a good maxim to follow. Grains are a perfectly acceptable form of nutrition. What you just said is patently ridiculous.
 
2014-02-28 04:21:10 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: meat0918: Eat food, not to much, mostly plants.

but plants are full of natural pesticides.  It has to be true because I read it on Fark!

now from TFA

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x681]

Sure, like a hot dog in that much bread is lo-carb


Depends on the plant and the part in question.

Potatoes are a good example.  Under the ground and out of the sun, they don't produce chemicals that make people sick.  They get exposed to sunlight and as a way of deterring something that wants to eat the now visible potato, they go green as they produce their natural pesticides.

Nicotine is a very potent natural pesticide.  It kills damn near everything that breathes.
 
2014-02-28 04:22:46 PM

Smackledorfer: Far Cough: jxb465: Vacation Bible School: meat0918: Eat food, not to much, mostly plants.

*looks at bag of Cheetos*
That's just crazy enough it might work!

He said food. Grains aren't food.

/Unless you are a bird
//Are you a bird?ek
Grains are plants.  I have a common ancestor with birds.  It took them evolving into us  to figure out how to grow them on demand.  Smart birds.

Brand new poster, jumped right in to TF.

Account created:2014-01-07 18:02:06  (7 weeks ago)

Hmm, could it be a troll?


No, I was sponsored for one month by a kind Farker, a week or so after I joined.  (I thought that was shown in the public profile?)

I've been a long time lurker though.

Why?  Am I coming off trolling?  I was trying to be funny!
 
2014-02-28 04:23:37 PM
I don't think I'll be taking any health advice from the Daily Mail.
 
2014-02-28 04:29:11 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Far Cough: Vlad_the_Inaner: But when your carbohydrate metabolism is farked, its better to avoid that stuff.

Oh are you actually on Atkins/Paleo/South Whatever ?  Sorry to hear it.  But I hope it's working out for you.

As an armchair bionutritionist talking out of my GI tract, I question the value of omitting carbs from your diet long term, especially if you think you have a problem with them.  I am guessing, again from my armchair here, that you would be LESS likely to increase your tolerance or processing skills by eliminating them completely....

/school me gently if you must

Yeah, what I'm on is one by a Dr Richard K Bernstein.

Maybe you know him, he's the guy who pioneered diabetics using a blood glucose meter. A diabetic who had his MD Dr wife buy him a meter that was originally intended for ER use, circa 1969.  Started an engineer, went back to School for a MD. Who'd have thunk that medical doctors didn't know about the Nyquist Sampling Theorem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_K._Bernstein

My numbers have been fine, except this quarter.  My A1C has been below 6 for years, but came out 6.2 last blood test.  Still trying to trace just what cause that.  I'll be pissed if they started using something like cornstarch as a carrying agent in the instant coffee I drink..  6.2 is still much better control than most diabetic achieve.  Lipid tests are OK too.

Basically what seems to be the case with me, is my body still retains some insulin production.  So low carb doesn't drain reserves.   Something like Splenda, which is not nutritionally a useable carb anymore actually brings my blood sugar lower, but apparently by triggering an insulin release that depletes other glucose in my blood.

I used to use it to try a blunt a 'dawn effect' blood sugar spike I'd get after waking up.  But the effect on my A1C number (a measure of long term control) was detrimental.  My hypothesis was that using up the reduced insulin because of splenda increased my average blood s ...


Oh, your issue is primarily that you are diabetic?  I didn't catch that.  (When I said armchair nutritionist, I meant that I know nothing of the subject.)  So your diabetes is heavily affected by carb intake, to the point that your doctor put you off them, is that a decent gloss on it?

So you have a real medical issue, I understand.  But that's a far way from saying carbs/grains/legumes are bad and all other people should avoid them too.  (Not that I think you're saying that.)  Thanks for sharing the info, and great luck with your diet!
 
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