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(International Business Times)   Apple has finally released Snow Leopard to the wild to fend for itself   (ibtimes.com) divider line 71
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2014-02-28 08:32:12 AM  
I liked Snow Leopard. My server at home still runs Snow Leopard server.
 
2014-02-28 08:58:37 AM  
I got a new Mac on Monday at work- the old one was still on 10.6 since it just worked.

Most of the OSX UI "features" since 10.6 aren't.

/Although I'll give a nod to tabbed Finder windows, finally...
 
2014-02-28 09:09:08 AM  
Wut no update for me?

Still using 10.5  on a G4 laptop and a Tower server...

Just got the laptop too , since the G3 one died last December
 
2014-02-28 09:09:54 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: I got a new Mac on Monday at work- the old one was still on 10.6 since it just worked.

Most of the OSX UI "features" since 10.6 aren't.

/Although I'll give a nod to tabbed Finder windows, finally...


Uh, parse error. Most aren't what? Did you accidentally the whole thing, or did you mean 'don't'? I'm not being pedantic, I could see that one legitimately going either way.
 
2014-02-28 09:17:30 AM  
This thread will not be complete until there are graphs and benchmarks.
 
2014-02-28 09:18:05 AM  

kroonermanblack: Glockenspiel Hero: I got a new Mac on Monday at work- the old one was still on 10.6 since it just worked.

Most of the OSX UI "features" since 10.6 aren't.

/Although I'll give a nod to tabbed Finder windows, finally...

Uh, parse error. Most aren't what? Did you accidentally the whole thing, or did you mean 'don't'? I'm not being pedantic, I could see that one legitimately going either way.


He meant they aren't features, in that they're not useful.
 
2014-02-28 09:18:37 AM  
I'll be honest and say I only updated from Snow Leopard to Mavericks so I could continue to play Starcraft 2 with my friends.
 
2014-02-28 09:25:55 AM  
I think I'm still "running" Leopard on my functionally obsolete laptop.
 
2014-02-28 09:28:59 AM  

Magic_Button: Wut no update for me?

Still using 10.5  on a G4 laptop and a Tower server...

Just got the laptop too , since the G3 one died last December


So, you just got a laptop with the architecture Apple abandoned in 2006?
 
2014-02-28 09:33:48 AM  
But it's OK cuz Apple doesn't have viruses...

cdn.ttgtmedia.com
 
2014-02-28 09:45:07 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Magic_Button: Wut no update for me?

Still using 10.5  on a G4 laptop and a Tower server...

Just got the laptop too , since the G3 one died last December

So, you just got a laptop with the architecture Apple abandoned in 2006?


Yes poverty sucks. Cost me 100 bucks for a G4 766 powerbook

Still surf and get email and listen to music edit photos

I would still be using the 1999 - Bronze Keyboard but can't trace down what the problem is with it
 
2014-02-28 09:57:57 AM  

mjbok: This thread will not be complete until there are graphs and benchmarks.



www.besse.at
 
2014-02-28 09:59:58 AM  
My 7 year old iMac is running 10.6.8.

10.7 looked like a bag of hurt.

10.8 looked like it was mostly fixed.

Now 10.9 looks OK, but problems persist with Mail.

Still waiting for a decent OS for the Mac. Since I work with Windows at work, I'll not be going to a PC. And since I like to use, you know, software, Linux is out.
 
2014-02-28 10:00:38 AM  
I was a Mac user until, many years ago, I needed Windows at home to hone my SQL Server and .NET skills. Since those days, I've always wanted to get another Mac, but there was no real reason, just fond memories, so I never spent the money.

Recently I bought a new Hackintosh-compatible laptop, so I installed Snow Leopard in a Virtualbox VM.

At first I was like, "Hey, look, I'm running Mac OS again!"

And then I was all, "Meh it doesn't do anything much different than WIndows."

After a day I lost interest.

/ CSB
 
2014-02-28 10:07:34 AM  
Meanwhile at Microsoft...

XP is still going strong (for another month)
 
2014-02-28 10:10:21 AM  

Jodeo: Still waiting for a decent OS for the Mac. Since I work with Windows at work, I'll not be going to a PC. And since I like to use, you know, software, Linux is out.


I used to work with an IT guy who said he was very fair minded...  he hated all OSes equally.
 
2014-02-28 10:13:01 AM  
I have an '05 macbook hooked up to my TV running 10.4. It has only been in the last few months that I've starting having issues. It has been my media server with VLC, Safari / Firefox for netflix, hbo go, MLB tv, DVD player, etc, etc. It has been awesome until recently.

I am sadly looking for a replacement now. The laptop and OS are fine. The OS and browsers can no longer handle the streaming video anymore.
 
2014-02-28 10:14:02 AM  
That blows. I have a 6-year-old iMac that runs perfectly fine on 10.6, and is not upgradable to 10.7 because it lacks the processors needed for for the newer OSes. Not gonna go out and spend yet another $1,000-plus on a new Mac just because of that!
 
2014-02-28 10:17:21 AM  

jaytkay: I was a Mac user until, many years ago, I needed Windows at home to hone my SQL Server and .NET skills. Since those days, I've always wanted to get another Mac, but there was no real reason, just fond memories, so I never spent the money.

Recently I bought a new Hackintosh-compatible laptop, so I installed Snow Leopard in a Virtualbox VM.

At first I was like, "Hey, look, I'm running Mac OS again!"

And then I was all, "Meh it doesn't do anything much different than WIndows."


It really doesn't. I jump back and forth from my MacBook to Windows box and it feels normal. No shock from working in one OS to another.
I prefer working in OS X, but I don't hate Windows.
 
2014-02-28 10:19:41 AM  

Catsaregreen: That blows. I have a 6-year-old iMac that runs perfectly fine on 10.6, and is not upgradable to 10.7 because it lacks the processors needed for for the newer OSes. Not gonna go out and spend yet another $1,000-plus on a new Mac just because of that!


Just use a browser other then Safari, and you should be fine.
 
2014-02-28 10:21:35 AM  

Catsaregreen: That blows. I have a 6-year-old iMac that runs perfectly fine on 10.6, and is not upgradable to 10.7 because it lacks the processors needed for for the newer OSes. Not gonna go out and spend yet another $1,000-plus on a new Mac just because of that!


Well, you're probably old enough to get a real computer now, anyway.
 
2014-02-28 10:41:57 AM  
Damn... 10.6 was the last version of OS X which has a working Samba service in it.   Still running 10.6 on my MacbookPro and office server.

I tried 10.7, but Apple's "support" sucks. According to one of their higher-level techs, as long as a Mac can connect with another Mac via Samba, it works fine!   XP, Win7 can't connect via Samba?  Must be the Windows machines.   Never mind that the only reason to use Samba is to connect with Windows machines.

That answer right there was the last time my office used Apple products.  Also doesn't help that they've gutted their business lineup & support.   Now we've got plenty of Samsung phones and Samsung tablets floating around.  I have a nice stack of shiny new $4k Lenovo Thinkpads sitting on my workbench, replacing the Macs.

I'm with jaytkay -- All OSs suck.  They all just suck in different ways.   Doesn't particularly bother me either way.  I do wish Windows ran on a *nix kernel and wish they'd stop screwing up the interface.   Windows needs a complete re-write.   Linux is nice, but changes too much.  Linux also suffers from a complete lack of business apps support.  Unfortunately without the apps, even the best OS can't make up for it.
 
2014-02-28 10:45:21 AM  
I use OSX for exactly one thing: To upload mobile apps to iTunes.

Apple does all their validation checks on the server side, but requires developers use a special "uploader" that only runs on their hardware, and usually requires the latest OS version to run. It's just petty, childish bulls hit.

I'm not surprised they've abandoned their older versions of OSX. Try getting XCode 5 for anything but a recent update of Mountain Lion. Most of the apps now up on iTunes won't run on the original iPad... because they don't run iOS7. Cheap tactics, Apple.
 
2014-02-28 10:54:34 AM  
I tried 10.7 for a while, and decided I liked 10.6 better in general. I'd suck it up and move to 10.8, but I'm still on a PPC version of full Photoshop, and 10.6 is the last version that will run PPC software in emulation.

I could move to Elements at a reasonable price, but it rubs me the wrong way to pay new money for a functionality downgrade, even if I rarely use the functionality in question. Paying Adobe by the month for the full version is right out, especially since they've demonstrated their new, seamless methods for sharing credit card and login info.

I intentionally bought one of the last 17-inch MBPs so that I could back it down to 10.6. I like it here. But I'm not enough of a fool to think that running a minority version of a minority OS keeps me safe.
 
2014-02-28 10:56:16 AM  

LesserEvil: I use OSX for exactly one thing: To upload mobile apps to iTunes.

Apple does all their validation checks on the server side, but requires developers use a special "uploader" that only runs on their hardware, and usually requires the latest OS version to run. It's just petty, childish bulls hit.

I'm not surprised they've abandoned their older versions of OSX. Try getting XCode 5 for anything but a recent update of Mountain Lion. Most of the apps now up on iTunes won't run on the original iPad... because they don't run iOS7. Cheap tactics, Apple.


The original iPad was released 4 years ago. That's long in the tooth for a tablet. They are disposable tech, and you should probably figure on replacing them after 2 years max.
 
2014-02-28 10:57:05 AM  

Free Radical: But it's OK cuz Apple doesn't have viruses...

[cdn.ttgtmedia.com image 437x431]


well, i realize that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but i've been running macs unfirewalled and without virus protection hooked up to the internets 24/7 for 12 years now and have never had a single virus or instance of malware. not one.

/YMMV
 
2014-02-28 11:20:32 AM  

FlashHarry: Free Radical: But it's OK cuz Apple doesn't have viruses...

[cdn.ttgtmedia.com image 437x431]

well, i realize that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but i've been running macs unfirewalled and without virus protection hooked up to the internets 24/7 for 12 years now and have never had a single virus or instance of malware. not one.

/YMMV


The title of the article is: "Apple Kills Snow Leopard: OS X 10.6 No Longer Receives Security Updates"

I suppose you (and the commercial) are correct since Macs don't get viruses there is no need to update security in the OS' so this is really a non-story!

/just railing against smug Mac commercials is all
 
2014-02-28 11:25:35 AM  

Free Radical: FlashHarry: Free Radical: But it's OK cuz Apple doesn't have viruses...

[cdn.ttgtmedia.com image 437x431]

well, i realize that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but i've been running macs unfirewalled and without virus protection hooked up to the internets 24/7 for 12 years now and have never had a single virus or instance of malware. not one.

/YMMV

The title of the article is: "Apple Kills Snow Leopard: OS X 10.6 No Longer Receives Security Updates"

I suppose you (and the commercial) are correct since Macs don't get viruses there is no need to update security in the OS' so this is really a non-story!

/just railing against smug Mac commercials is all


img.fark.net

The Surface tablet commercials managed to take it up a level of stupid.
 
2014-02-28 11:35:56 AM  

FlashHarry: Free Radical: But it's OK cuz Apple doesn't have viruses...

[cdn.ttgtmedia.com image 437x431]

well, i realize that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but i've been running macs unfirewalled and without virus protection hooked up to the internets 24/7 for 12 years now and have never had a single virus or instance of malware. not one.

/YMMV


And they are a valuable part of my botnet*.

/*Doesn't have a botnet.
 
2014-02-28 11:37:11 AM  

jaytkay: I was a Mac user until, many years ago, I needed Windows at home to hone my SQL Server and .NET skills. Since those days, I've always wanted to get another Mac, but there was no real reason, just fond memories, so I never spent the money.

Recently I bought a new Hackintosh-compatible laptop, so I installed Snow Leopard in a Virtualbox VM.

At first I was like, "Hey, look, I'm running Mac OS again!"

And then I was all, "Meh (Windows) doesn't do anything much different than WIndows  OSX."

After a day I lost interest.

/ CSB


FTFY
 
2014-02-28 11:41:32 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The original iPad was released 4 years ago. That's long in the tooth for a tablet. They are disposable tech, and you should probably figure on replacing them after 2 years max.


Paid $829 for my iPad 1 when they were released in May of 2010, and it still works even though it's stuck on iOS 5.1.  Seems like a lot of money for 'disposable tech.'
 
2014-02-28 11:44:03 AM  

Sean M: Damn... 10.6 was the last version of OS X which has a working Samba service in it.   Still running 10.6 on my MacbookPro and office server.

I tried 10.7, but Apple's "support" sucks. According to one of their higher-level techs, as long as a Mac can connect with another Mac via Samba, it works fine!   XP, Win7 can't connect via Samba?  Must be the Windows machines.   Never mind that the only reason to use Samba is to connect with Windows machines.


Seems like 10.6 was using samba version 1 and 10.7 and newer upgraded to a newer, different standard, which is why some windows machines can't be connected to.

More details here for those interested.

Also, this kills off the G4 / G5 based macs, since OSX 10.6 was the last to support non-intel chipsets.
 
2014-02-28 11:45:39 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: LesserEvil: I use OSX for exactly one thing: To upload mobile apps to iTunes.

Apple does all their validation checks on the server side, but requires developers use a special "uploader" that only runs on their hardware, and usually requires the latest OS version to run. It's just petty, childish bulls hit.

I'm not surprised they've abandoned their older versions of OSX. Try getting XCode 5 for anything but a recent update of Mountain Lion. Most of the apps now up on iTunes won't run on the original iPad... because they don't run iOS7. Cheap tactics, Apple.

The original iPad was released 4 years ago. That's long in the tooth for a tablet. They are disposable tech, and you should probably figure on replacing them after 2 years max.


It still does just fine as a reader, and Garage Band, MAME, and quit a few other apps still run great on it. It also works great as a large-format GPS in my car.

I like to test my apps on it... if they run well on it, they should run well on any current hardware, obviously. I was kind of pleasantly surprised how well my new game ran on my HP Touchpad (running Android).

If my sales pick up, I'll probably get some newer iPads, Android tabs and maybe a Surface RT to play with.
 
2014-02-28 11:50:01 AM  

Magic_Button: Wut no update for me?

Still using 10.5  on a G4 laptop and a Tower server...

Just got the laptop too , since the G3 one died last December


I'm still using my iBook G4 and it's running like a champ. I do want to get something new eventually. I loved my PowerBook G3 and it was the best design of a Mac product

/Bet they're still supporting Windows XP
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-28 11:54:04 AM  
Do we know that 10.6 was vulnerable to the security problems fixed in the update for newer versions?
 
2014-02-28 11:59:52 AM  

Catsaregreen: That blows. I have a 6-year-old iMac that runs perfectly fine on 10.6, and is not upgradable to 10.7


my imac is more than 6 years old - 2007 (1st gen aluminium) - and runs 10.9 just fine.
 
2014-02-28 12:01:21 PM  

ZAZ: Do we know that 10.6 was vulnerable to the security problems fixed in the update for newer versions?


Mac users know that 10.6 was absolutely perfect in every way, which by definition includes its immunity to any and all security problems.

In accordance with this, the internet consciousness has said that it is not, in fact, vulnerable to the latest security problem.

/Or any security problem
//Or any usability issues
///P-E-R-F-E-C-T
 
2014-02-28 12:01:29 PM  
10.7 was goddamn disaster. 10.8 is pretty good, but I still miss Carbon/PowerPC native apps. Sheepshaver is too damn slow for Warcraft 3.
 
2014-02-28 12:02:48 PM  
Obviously pointless to say at this point, but hey why not.  Simply using exactly

"Snow leopard finally released to the wild to fend for itself",

with that capitalization and without Apple, would have made for a much better headline.

/in my opinion
/On 10.5.7 right now
/It sucks
 
2014-02-28 12:13:11 PM  

Jodeo: mjbok: This thread will not be complete until there are graphs and benchmarks.


[www.besse.at image 505x456]


seedmagazine.com
 
2014-02-28 12:13:43 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The original iPad was released 4 years ago. That's long in the tooth for a tablet. They are disposable tech, and you should probably figure on replacing them after 2 years max.


I loved the iPad when I got it.  One of the updates (don't remember which one) made the browsing experience unusable.  Constant hang-ups, plus the fact that each browser tab would refresh when you switched to it made it an awful experience.  Was content getting $200 last Christmas (target trade-in) for something that had been made fairly useless by the company itself.
 
2014-02-28 12:17:57 PM  
*sigh*

90% of the computers at work are stuck with Snow Leopard because Adobe CS1 won't work with the newer OSX versions (dropped PowerPC support) and we don't have the money to upgrade. My job would be so much farking easier if we did. I'm also sure someone up above is going to shiat a brick because now this is unsupported, they don't understand computers, and think Apple is going to shut off our computers..
 
2014-02-28 12:26:58 PM  

Aar1012: Magic_Button: Wut no update for me

Still using 10.5  on a G4 laptop and a Tower server...

Just got the laptop too , since the G3 one died last December

I'm still using my iBook G4 and it's running like a champ. I do want to get something new eventually. I loved my PowerBook G3 and it was the best design of a Mac product

/Bet they're still supporting Windows XP


Yes, only problem I am having with the G4 is surfing some sites and compressed video .
other then that I prefer it for almost everything else

i agree the PowerBook G3 was the best design, black sexy curves and the white back light apple logo, two fingernails and a philips screwdriver was all you needed to install more ram/ new harddrive.

i am getting too old to be upgrading every two years, Its Okay if you are young but you get old and remember all the computers you have loved and then had to replace -- It is like being a technology slut, you get tired and want to settle down a nice powerbook in country , which for the most part I have done
 
2014-02-28 12:34:26 PM  
In many cases, if your computer can run Snow Leopard, you can upgrade to the latest version (10.9.2 Mavericks) for free. It depends on what processor you have. Here's the official list, from their website:

iMac (Mid 2007 or newer)
MacBook (Late 2008 Aluminum, or Early 2009 or newer)
MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer)
MacBook Air (Late 2008 or newer)
Mac mini (Early 2009 or newer)
Mac Pro (Early 2008 or newer)
Xserve (Early 2009)

My 2006 MacBook can't be upgraded. I don't care. It still works fine for what I use it for. And the last time I found malware on any Mac was 20 years ago.
 
2014-02-28 12:44:30 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I have an '05 macbook hooked up to my TV running 10.4. It has only been in the last few months that I've starting having issues. It has been my media server with VLC, Safari / Firefox for netflix, hbo go, MLB tv, DVD player, etc, etc. It has been awesome until recently.

I am sadly looking for a replacement now. The laptop and OS are fine. The OS and browsers can no longer handle the streaming video anymore.


You could at least bump your system up to 10.5, which might get you some more life.
 
2014-02-28 01:09:45 PM  

FlashHarry: Free Radical: But it's OK cuz Apple doesn't have viruses...

[cdn.ttgtmedia.com image 437x431]

well, i realize that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but i've been running macs unfirewalled and without virus protection hooked up to the internets 24/7 for 12 years now and have never had a single virus or instance of malware. not one.

/YMMV


If you're like most users, most of that 12 years is behind a router (specifically a NAT) which automatically provides an inbound firewall -- being directly connected to the Internet was so last decade (and if you aren't, you don't use wifi?)

I've been running / managing at least 10+ Windows boxes from Win95 to 8 and a handful of Android devices, and precisely 0 of them were infected or hacked over the Internet (and I, unlike most users, poke holes through the NAT / port forward services like HTTP and RDP).

Heck, most routers in the past few years are now building in a 4 port router and/or integrating wifi and therefore automatically providing a firewall.


You also realize that you ARE running the "built in" antivirus scanner?  APL has detected and removed at least a handful of threats without notifying you if you were ever infected.
 
2014-02-28 01:31:19 PM  
labman:Yep, Apple changed Samba...and failed.  I've heard the arguments before, but ultimately they broke SMB support and don't think there's a problem.   Which is fine... when we finally dump the OS X Server, there'll be a nice Linux or BSD box to replace it...complete with working Samba services.
 
2014-02-28 01:36:24 PM  

SleepingEye: FlashHarry: Free Radical: But it's OK cuz Apple doesn't have viruses...

[cdn.ttgtmedia.com image 437x431]

well, i realize that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but i've been running macs unfirewalled and without virus protection hooked up to the internets 24/7 for 12 years now and have never had a single virus or instance of malware. not one.

/YMMV

If you're like most users, most of that 12 years is behind a router (specifically a NAT) which automatically provides an inbound firewall -- being directly connected to the Internet was so last decade (and if you aren't, you don't use wifi?)

I've been running / managing at least 10+ Windows boxes from Win95 to 8 and a handful of Android devices, and precisely 0 of them were infected or hacked over the Internet (and I, unlike most users, poke holes through the NAT / port forward services like HTTP and RDP).

Heck, most routers in the past few years are now building in a 4 port router and/or integrating wifi and therefore automatically providing a firewall.


You also realize that you ARE running the "built in" antivirus scanner?  APL has detected and removed at least a handful of threats without notifying you if you were ever infected.


Well that's not entirely fair.  I hate Apple stuff for the most part, but the majority of current nastiness on Windows is from trojanny crap via e-mail and browser hijacking.  And the sad fact is that it's still far more common on Windows.  Yet I still prefer Windows for lots of reasons.
 
2014-02-28 01:45:47 PM  

FlashHarry: well, i realize that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but i've been running macs unfirewalled and without virus protection hooked up to the internets 24/7 for 12 years now and have never had a single virus or instance of malware. not one./YMMV


Although if I understand correctly, they're not patching the terri-bad "man in the middle" SSL hole - so if you're using safari, you'll never know or be able to detect if someone is intercepting all your SSL encrypted, including retail purchases and banking.

So you may not have a keylogger, or a virus, but that still doesn't mean you aren't farked.
 
2014-02-28 01:51:48 PM  

Magic_Button: two fingernails and a philips screwdriver was all you needed to install more ram/ new harddrive.


Thats no shiat. I was shocked when I installed my HDD at the absurdity you had to go through to install it in an iBook G4 when compared to the ease of installing it on a PowerBook G3.

I just need to replace the AC/Soundcard on my PowerBook to get it running again. Too bad it isn't USB 2.0 or I'd use it as wifi file hub for my portable HDD and my iBook.
 
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