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(LA Times)   Talking and texting are still illegal, but a California court of appeals has ruled that it's perfectly okay to use a cell phone while driving ... if you use it as a map. Which is mixed news for Apple Maps users   (latimes.com) divider line 73
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2014-02-28 12:58:55 PM

moike: dittybopper: Oldiron_79: dittybopper: Hah.  Real men don't text while driving, they use Morse code instead.

Morse, that is highntech wizardry. Real men use smoke signals.

OK, I'll show you mine:

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Now show me how you do smoke signals in your car.

I kinda sorta recognized your username from the last time you posted this and thought to myself, "I think he's actually not joking..."

You need a ticker-tape machine that spits out map information.


I've got an old Lorenz high-speed Morse tape puncher and a corresponding high-speed Morse tape reader/keyer, is that close enough?

And yeah, I actually do use Morse while I'm driving.  Yesterday I got a local ham operator (about 20 miles away), then a guy in Alberta, Canada, and then a guy in the Dominican Republic.

Dwayne, the guy in Red Deer, AB, chuckled in Morse when I told him no, I wasn't parked, I was headed North at 65 MPH.

DE DITTYBOPPER/M
 
2014-02-28 12:59:52 PM
Big woop, legislature will just change the way the law reads.
 
2014-02-28 01:00:30 PM
Can I still use my smartphone to take upskirts?
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2014-02-28 01:01:42 PM

dittybopper: Oldiron_79: dittybopper: Hah.  Real men don't text while driving, they use Morse code instead.

Morse, that is highntech wizardry. Real men use smoke signals.

OK, I'll show you mine:

[img.fark.net image 640x480]

Now show me how you do smoke signals in your car.


Bong.
 
2014-02-28 01:03:56 PM
I LOL'd. That's all I came here to say.
/I never LOL :z
 
2014-02-28 01:25:27 PM

Mugato: Slightly off topic but why are dedicated GPS boxes so expensive? They're hundreds of dollars and a somewhat current phone does the same thing. Maybe the graphics aren't as good but you're just trying to get somewhere.


$150 for a display, processor, GPS receiver, and software isn't that bad. A cell phone has a retail price of $650, plus you need a data connection. I'm not saying you need both these days, but the price isn't bad for what you're getting compared to buying a cell phone if you want directions some place.

Aside from price, I hate using my phone for GPS because it drains my battery like crazy. I actually pack our Garmin when I fly somewhere so I can use it in the rental car instead of my phone.
 
2014-02-28 01:40:51 PM

Gig103: Mugato: Slightly off topic but why are dedicated GPS boxes so expensive? They're hundreds of dollars and a somewhat current phone does the same thing. Maybe the graphics aren't as good but you're just trying to get somewhere.

$150 for a display, processor, GPS receiver, and software isn't that bad. A cell phone has a retail price of $650, plus you need a data connection. I'm not saying you need both these days, but the price isn't bad for what you're getting compared to buying a cell phone if you want directions some place.

Aside from price, I hate using my phone for GPS because it drains my battery like crazy. I actually pack our Garmin when I fly somewhere so I can use it in the rental car instead of my phone.


The GPS and the display do draw a lot of power, but in most cases a car charger easily solves that problem.

Although I do have to admit that on a three-hour drive, I once found that the GPS navigation was drawing more power than my car charger could provide.  Which was kind of frustrating since my battery was nearly dead when I arrived, but at the same time it was far preferable to having to navigate the streets of Sacramento without a GPS.

/got a backup battery and a car charger with a higher amperage after that incident
 
2014-02-28 02:06:09 PM

Mugato: Slightly off topic but why are dedicated GPS boxes so expensive? They're hundreds of dollars and a somewhat current phone does the same thing. Maybe the graphics aren't as good but you're just trying to get somewhere.


Because that hundred dollars or so GPS is considerably cheaper than your somewhat current smart phone.

The upfront price of a GPS is not offset by the monthly fees paid.
 
2014-02-28 02:27:48 PM
yaaaay...   This no cell phone use crap has gotten way out of hand.   We already had all the laws we needed before any cell phone driving laws.  Its called distracted driving.  If I am driving right then wtf does it matter how many phones I have strapped to my head?
 
2014-02-28 02:34:46 PM

Mugato: Slightly off topic but why are dedicated GPS boxes so expensive? They're hundreds of dollars and a somewhat current phone does the same thing. Maybe the graphics aren't as good but you're just trying to get somewhere.


At least for me, it comes down to a number of factors...   Most importantly using my phone as a GPS device sucks the battery dry like crazy, and then I have problems with the maps applications crashing on me sometimes, and lastly, most gps apps require an internet connection, like google maps for instance.    I do a lot of long distance driving and these things add up to make a cell phone only an emergency replacement for my garmin GPS unit...
 
2014-02-28 02:37:16 PM

walkerhound: Mugato: Slightly off topic but why are dedicated GPS boxes so expensive? They're hundreds of dollars and a somewhat current phone does the same thing. Maybe the graphics aren't as good but you're just trying to get somewhere.

Do cell phone GPSs work where there is no reception?  Serious question.


It depends.  If you where lucky enough to start up the app while still within internet range, then it will most likely have loaded the maps on the route before you lose signal.  If your phone reboots on you, or crashes, or if you just plain need to find your way somewhere from scratch outside of cell phone reception, you are screwed.  there are a few apps that will allow you to download the entire maps set, but its a pain in the ass, and most want money.
 
2014-02-28 02:41:06 PM

dywed88: Mugato: Slightly off topic but why are dedicated GPS boxes so expensive? They're hundreds of dollars and a somewhat current phone does the same thing. Maybe the graphics aren't as good but you're just trying to get somewhere.

Because that hundred dollars or so GPS is considerably cheaper than your somewhat current smart phone.

The upfront price of a GPS is not offset by the monthly fees paid.


That comparison only works if you use the phone exclusively as a GPS.  Yes, a data plan costs more than a subscription for a dedicated GPS, but you can do a lot more with a smartphone than just GPS navigation.
 
2014-02-28 02:51:10 PM

Gig103: A cell phone has a retail price of $650


Damn. Even when I had an iPhone I never paid that much for a phone. Well whatever. If I needed a GPS that much (usually when I'm out of town I have a rental car) I suppose I wouldn't mind paying that for the slicker graphics. And I can see my ex girlfriend's house whenever I want. Was that out loud?
 
2014-02-28 03:22:45 PM

Maul555: walkerhound: Mugato: Slightly off topic but why are dedicated GPS boxes so expensive? They're hundreds of dollars and a somewhat current phone does the same thing. Maybe the graphics aren't as good but you're just trying to get somewhere.

Do cell phone GPSs work where there is no reception?  Serious question.

It depends.  If you where lucky enough to start up the app while still within internet range, then it will most likely have loaded the maps on the route before you lose signal.  If your phone reboots on you, or crashes, or if you just plain need to find your way somewhere from scratch outside of cell phone reception, you are screwed.  there are a few apps that will allow you to download the entire maps set, but its a pain in the ass, and most want money.


Well then I think mugato has his answer. Most of them time I use my gps, I'm miles from any cell phone service.
 
2014-02-28 03:34:21 PM

walkerhound: Well then I think mugato has his answer. Most of them time I use my gps, I'm miles from any cell phone service.


Fair enough. I find it hard to believe that the GPS unit sales depend on people who drive in the middle of the desert or Hoth. But whatever,
 
2014-02-28 03:36:29 PM

anfrind: dywed88: Mugato: Slightly off topic but why are dedicated GPS boxes so expensive? They're hundreds of dollars and a somewhat current phone does the same thing. Maybe the graphics aren't as good but you're just trying to get somewhere.

Because that hundred dollars or so GPS is considerably cheaper than your somewhat current smart phone.

The upfront price of a GPS is not offset by the monthly fees paid.

That comparison only works if you use the phone exclusively as a GPS.  Yes, a data plan costs more than a subscription for a dedicated GPS, but you can do a lot more with a smartphone than just GPS navigation.


And it costs several times as much money to get those extra capabilities. GPS units are only expensive compared to smartphones when you compare them to the subsidized prices.
 
2014-02-28 03:57:42 PM

Mugato: Damn. Even when I had an iPhone I never paid that much for a phone.


If you bought it along with a contract, you paid a subsidized price. Cash price for the latest iPhone has been around $600 since the very first model.

What we really need is cars with displays that work as remote displays for one's cellphone, along with mike input and output through the speakers.

Maul555: yaaaay...   This no cell phone use crap has gotten way out of hand.   We already had all the laws we needed before any cell phone driving laws.  Its called distracted driving.  If I am driving right then wtf does it matter how many phones I have strapped to my head?


Because people are dumb enough to think that talking on a cellphone while driving doesn't distract them.
 
2014-02-28 04:16:49 PM

Mugato: walkerhound: Well then I think mugato has his answer. Most of them time I use my gps, I'm miles from any cell phone service.

Fair enough. I find it hard to believe that the GPS unit sales depend on people who drive in the middle of the desert or Hoth. But whatever,


I agree, but back when I bought my first Garmin unit, there wasn't any cell-based gps. I remember thinking, when someone's parent had a new car with gps, 'who the hell needs gps to drive? That's what maps are for!' I needed gps so I wouldn't have to carry a map and compass in the field. Now it seems like a sizable chunk of the market is morans who can't find the nearest Starbucks in Tallahassee.
 
2014-02-28 04:30:43 PM

Mugato: walkerhound: Well then I think mugato has his answer. Most of them time I use my gps, I'm miles from any cell phone service.

Fair enough. I find it hard to believe that the GPS unit sales depend on people who drive in the middle of the desert or Hoth. But whatever,


And on top of that, I don't know if it's possible with cell-based GPS because as far as I've gotten with mine is "this thing is taking too damned long to load, I don't need details on every street name here..." but I like to be able to mark things - camp, water, game trails, down game, my car, etc.  And these things don't often have a road in between them to show me the quickest way, so I need to know terrain and direction and distance.  Not only that, but the battery life is on the order of a week, and I don't need to have a charger and I don't want to have people calling me even if they could.  The GF didn't get it when I was out on a moose hunt last fall and I could only text at about 630pm when I was usually on a given trail that, for whatever reason, had a bar of cell service and I could get a message through quickly.
 
2014-02-28 07:24:31 PM

Mugato: walkerhound: Well then I think mugato has his answer. Most of them time I use my gps, I'm miles from any cell phone service.

Fair enough. I find it hard to believe that the GPS unit sales depend on people who drive in the middle of the desert or Hoth. But whatever,


I like having the map on my dashboard, especially when i'm on my headset talking. in phone GPS interrupts my conversation, Dash mount doesn't.
 
2014-02-28 07:55:44 PM

dywed88: Mugato: Slightly off topic but why are dedicated GPS boxes so expensive? They're hundreds of dollars and a somewhat current phone does the same thing. Maybe the graphics aren't as good but you're just trying to get somewhere.

Because that hundred dollars or so GPS is considerably cheaper than your somewhat current smart phone.

The upfront price of a GPS is not offset by the monthly fees paid.


But GPS is a one trick toy.
 
2014-02-28 08:22:39 PM

lack of warmth: dywed88: Mugato: Slightly off topic but why are dedicated GPS boxes so expensive? They're hundreds of dollars and a somewhat current phone does the same thing. Maybe the graphics aren't as good but you're just trying to get somewhere.

Because that hundred dollars or so GPS is considerably cheaper than your somewhat current smart phone.

The upfront price of a GPS is not offset by the monthly fees paid.

But GPS is a one trick toy.


And it is cheaper. Imagine that.
 
2014-02-28 10:34:23 PM
I've had drivers use their cellphones, and look right at me, not paying attention as they yammer on them. Sometimes I'm tempted, driving my 40 year old car to smashed them like a bug, and ask to paramedics to remove the phone from their heads, but I'm afraid I might chip the paint on my car.
 
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