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2014-02-28 12:25:36 PM
cgraves67:

bad breath and the need to evacuate bowels and bladders

You are making me so hot.
 
2014-02-28 12:27:23 PM

FunkOut: cgraves67: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: So have we determined a sell-by date for men?

I'd guess around 40 just like women. That's when sperm mutations start creeping up and increasing the likelihood of birth defects. Also sperm motility is down, decreasing the likelihood of even having babies, defective or otherwise.

I knew a kid in elementary school whose father was about 65. She had bifocals in kindergarten.


Not what you're thinking. It's her mother's fault. She must of had bad eyes, too
 
2014-02-28 12:28:38 PM

Fafai: Shazam999: Pull out.

Right when it feels best? That goes against the instinct, too. I still prefer it to condoms. Been thinking of getting snipped for a while.


And you can get a woman pregnant from precum. Statstically low but it happens, especially if you have a good active sperm count.
 
2014-02-28 12:30:51 PM

FarkingReading: cgraves67:

bad breath and the need to evacuate bowels and bladders

You are making me so hot.


Sprechen sie Deutsch?
 
2014-02-28 12:36:28 PM

FunkOut: Fafai: Shazam999: Pull out.

Right when it feels best? That goes against the instinct, too. I still prefer it to condoms. Been thinking of getting snipped for a while.

And you can get a woman pregnant from precum. Statstically low but it happens, especially if you have a good active sperm count.


Yep, it happens about as often as a failed condom.  These odds go even lower if you've urinated between when you last ejaculated and intercourse.  The fluid itself, secreted from the prostate has no semen but can often pick up 'trace' amounts.  It's main focus is to create a "less hostile" environment in the vagina, or rather, one more conducive to sperm life expectancy and motility.  Been utilizing coitus interruptus for years and it hasn't failed me.  The two kids I did  have took months of intentional seeding.
 
2014-02-28 12:38:44 PM

cgraves67: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: So have we determined a sell-by date for men?

I'd guess around 40 just like women. That's when sperm mutations start creeping up and increasing the likelihood of birth defects. Also sperm motility is down, decreasing the likelihood of even having babies, defective or otherwise.


I question the validity of that. I have plenty of male friends in their later 40's, who've married women mid to late 20's. All of their kids have no issues whatsoever. Heck, one guy just had his 3rd at 52. I consider it dumb, I wanted to be able to enjoy sports with my kids, but according to his wife he bangs her like a snare drum. They decide they want a baby, 2 months later (after she quits taking pills) and she's knocked up by him.

Yeah, yeah, anecdotal evidence. I've yet to see a study that really shows across the board control numbers. There's been plenty of speculation, that's not evidence either.

Personally guys, if you want kids, have'em by 45 so you can still enjoy them being kids. OTOH, ladies, it's likely if a guy can still get it up and was 'normal' to begin with he hasn't hit the sell by date. Different biology: You have to support the growing parasite (er, kid), guys don't. That's the reason there's a 'sell-by' date on female fertility: gestating a kid is hard on the body. Heck, toward the end you can't even process enough nutrients eating to give the kid, so they start stealing them from your body. (e.g. calcium)
 
2014-02-28 12:40:00 PM

uber humper: FunkOut: cgraves67: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: So have we determined a sell-by date for men?

I'd guess around 40 just like women. That's when sperm mutations start creeping up and increasing the likelihood of birth defects. Also sperm motility is down, decreasing the likelihood of even having babies, defective or otherwise.

I knew a kid in elementary school whose father was about 65. She had bifocals in kindergarten.

Not what you're thinking. It's her mother's fault. She must of had bad eyes, too


You're going to have to explain. I've seen a lot of people who had eyesight defects that didn't come from their mother but got it from their father.
 
2014-02-28 12:40:59 PM

cgraves67: FarkingReading: cgraves67:

bad breath and the need to evacuate bowels and bladders

You are making me so hot.

Sprechen sie Deutsch?


Sprechen Sie Katzendeutsch?  Miau!  =^-^=
 
2014-02-28 12:41:09 PM

FunkOut: Fafai: Shazam999: Pull out.

Right when it feels best? That goes against the instinct, too. I still prefer it to condoms. Been thinking of getting snipped for a while.

And you can get a woman pregnant from precum. Statstically low but it happens, especially if you have a good active sperm count.


Oop. I read that's only true if there are still residual sperm in the urethra from earlier, which can be killed off/rinsed out by urinating beforehand. I'm just gonna go on believing that.
 
2014-02-28 12:42:20 PM

inglixthemad: cgraves67: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: So have we determined a sell-by date for men?

I'd guess around 40 just like women. That's when sperm mutations start creeping up and increasing the likelihood of birth defects. Also sperm motility is down, decreasing the likelihood of even having babies, defective or otherwise.

I question the validity of that. I have plenty of male friends in their later 40's, who've married women mid to late 20's. All of their kids have no issues whatsoever. Heck, one guy just had his 3rd at 52. I consider it dumb, I wanted to be able to enjoy sports with my kids, but according to his wife he bangs her like a snare drum. They decide they want a baby, 2 months later (after she quits taking pills) and she's knocked up by him.

Yeah, yeah, anecdotal evidence. I've yet to see a study that really shows across the board control numbers. There's been plenty of speculation, that's not evidence either.

Personally guys, if you want kids, have'em by 45 so you can still enjoy them being kids. OTOH, ladies, it's likely if a guy can still get it up and was 'normal' to begin with he hasn't hit the sell by date. Different biology: You have to support the growing parasite (er, kid), guys don't. That's the reason there's a 'sell-by' date on female fertility: gestating a kid is hard on the body. Heck, toward the end you can't even process enough nutrients eating to give the kid, so they start stealing them from your body. (e.g. calcium)


The article that this thread is about cites a study.
 
2014-02-28 12:44:56 PM

Abuse Liability: FunkOut: Fafai: Shazam999: Pull out.

Right when it feels best? That goes against the instinct, too. I still prefer it to condoms. Been thinking of getting snipped for a while.

And you can get a woman pregnant from precum. Statstically low but it happens, especially if you have a good active sperm count.

Yep, it happens about as often as a failed condom.  These odds go even lower if you've urinated between when you last ejaculated and intercourse.  The fluid itself, secreted from the prostate has no semen but can often pick up 'trace' amounts.  It's main focus is to create a "less hostile" environment in the vagina, or rather, one more conducive to sperm life expectancy and motility.  Been utilizing coitus interruptus for years and it hasn't failed me.   The two kids I did  have took months of intentional seeding.


Bastard.  I knocked up my wife the first time after a month (did it 1-2 times a day).  The second?  Once.  Fuuuuuuuu.....
 
2014-02-28 12:46:51 PM

Abuse Liability: FunkOut: Fafai: Shazam999: Pull out.

Right when it feels best? That goes against the instinct, too. I still prefer it to condoms. Been thinking of getting snipped for a while.

And you can get a woman pregnant from precum. Statstically low but it happens, especially if you have a good active sperm count.

Yep, it happens about as often as a failed condom.  These odds go even lower if you've urinated between when you last ejaculated and intercourse.  The fluid itself, secreted from the prostate has no semen but can often pick up 'trace' amounts.  It's main focus is to create a "less hostile" environment in the vagina, or rather, one more conducive to sperm life expectancy and motility.  Been utilizing coitus interruptus for years and it hasn't failed me.  The two kids I did  have took months of intentional seeding.


Yeesh, my last one took a month in my late 30's (we always knew when my wife was pregnant within a few days, she'd start puking at random times) and I thought I was slipping. Of course my wife was a fertile little baby maker as well.
 
2014-02-28 12:47:25 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: cgraves67: Unfortunately, bad breath and the need to evacuate bowels and bladders and take a shower tends to kill the mood first thing in the morning. After s  Shower sex is a far more successful proposition.

You're doing it wrong.


Shower sex is great if the shower is properly equipped. Height differential can unfortunately derail even the best of intentions.
 
2014-02-28 12:50:42 PM

inglixthemad: Abuse Liability: FunkOut: Fafai: Shazam999: Pull out.

Right when it feels best? That goes against the instinct, too. I still prefer it to condoms. Been thinking of getting snipped for a while.

And you can get a woman pregnant from precum. Statstically low but it happens, especially if you have a good active sperm count.

Yep, it happens about as often as a failed condom.  These odds go even lower if you've urinated between when you last ejaculated and intercourse.  The fluid itself, secreted from the prostate has no semen but can often pick up 'trace' amounts.  It's main focus is to create a "less hostile" environment in the vagina, or rather, one more conducive to sperm life expectancy and motility.  Been utilizing coitus interruptus for years and it hasn't failed me.  The two kids I did  have took months of intentional seeding.

Yeesh, my last one took a month in my late 30's (we always knew when my wife was pregnant within a few days, she'd start puking at random times) and I thought I was slipping. Of course my wife was a fertile little baby maker as well.


We started at 27.  It's weird that it took me and most of my friends months to conceive.  It may be that we all started older or it may be that we're from Louisiana.  It's usually harder to knock your sister up.  Too many generations of inbreeding can cause sterility.

:-P
 
2014-02-28 12:52:10 PM

cgraves67: Fafai: some_beer_drinker: vernonFL: Men are horniest in the morning.

fact.

Yeah but I don't want to actually do anything. Laziest and horniest.

Unfortunately, bad breath and the need to evacuate bowels and bladders and take a shower tends to kill the mood first thing in the morning. After shower sex is a far more successful proposition.


Love it when people talk dirty on Fark.
 
2014-02-28 12:53:30 PM
VladTheEmailer:  That's why I masturbate as soon as I get to my desk at 7:30am.

My cousin Walter jerked off in the office once. True story. He was in a meeting that wasn't going so well and there were talks of massive layoffs. They finally got around to his department, so he decides it's all over and whips it out and starts beating it right there on the boardroom table. So all the other coworkers take a cue from him and they start whipping it out and beating like mad. So all his coworkers are beating off, listening to the CEO rambling about failing corporate profits, when all of the sudden, snap! His department was one of the few profitable divisions and were going to get a slight budget increase for the year. The teleconference continues to the next department and everyone puts their pieces or, whatever, you know, away and go back to their desks. No one mentions the phenomenon to anyone else.
 
2014-02-28 12:54:35 PM

captjc: VladTheEmailer:  That's why I masturbate as soon as I get to my desk at 7:30am.

My cousin Walter jerked off in the office once. True story. He was in a meeting that wasn't going so well and there were talks of massive layoffs. They finally got around to his department, so he decides it's all over and whips it out and starts beating it right there on the boardroom table. So all the other coworkers take a cue from him and they start whipping it out and beating like mad. So all his coworkers are beating off, listening to the CEO rambling about failing corporate profits, when all of the sudden, snap! His department was one of the few profitable divisions and were going to get a slight budget increase for the year. The teleconference continues to the next department and everyone puts their pieces or, whatever, you know, away and go back to their desks. No one mentions the phenomenon to anyone else.


Well? Did they finish?

/you're welcome
 
2014-02-28 12:55:00 PM

VladTheEmailer: Myria: I'm very smart and thus would be useful to prevent idiocracy like most Farkers (I suspect most visitors to this site are above average intelligence).  The problem is that I'm transgender, and have always wished I were female.  I have no desire at all to be a father - I wish that I could be a mother.

There's nothing stopping you being a mother.  You're just limited from being a  biological mother.


Isn't that the point of the subthread, to spread good genes?
 
2014-02-28 12:55:31 PM

Shazam999: Abuse Liability: FunkOut: Fafai: Shazam999: Pull out.

Right when it feels best? That goes against the instinct, too. I still prefer it to condoms. Been thinking of getting snipped for a while.

And you can get a woman pregnant from precum. Statstically low but it happens, especially if you have a good active sperm count.

Yep, it happens about as often as a failed condom.  These odds go even lower if you've urinated between when you last ejaculated and intercourse.  The fluid itself, secreted from the prostate has no semen but can often pick up 'trace' amounts.  It's main focus is to create a "less hostile" environment in the vagina, or rather, one more conducive to sperm life expectancy and motility.  Been utilizing coitus interruptus for years and it hasn't failed me.   The two kids I did  have took months of intentional seeding.

Bastard.  I knocked up my wife the first time after a month (did it 1-2 times a day).  The second?  Once.  Fuuuuuuuu.....


My wife and I both have factors that decrease our fertility. It took 6 months the first time. It took two the second time. She had thermometers and ovulation testers, and drugs that regulate her cycle, the whole nine yards. I was taking zinc supplements. When you try that hard, sex becomes a job.

Now a friend of hers seems to be able to get pregnant at the drop of a pants. I'm afraid of knocking her up just by talking to her.
 
2014-02-28 12:59:26 PM
Sigh, not again.

img.fark.com
 
2014-02-28 01:00:16 PM

blatz514: Sigh, not again.

[img.fark.com image 54x11]


Oopsy, that's what I get for having 3 Fark threads open.
 
2014-02-28 01:02:38 PM

cgraves67: inglixthemad: cgraves67: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: So have we determined a sell-by date for men?

I'd guess around 40 just like women. That's when sperm mutations start creeping up and increasing the likelihood of birth defects. Also sperm motility is down, decreasing the likelihood of even having babies, defective or otherwise.

I question the validity of that. I have plenty of male friends in their later 40's, who've married women mid to late 20's. All of their kids have no issues whatsoever. Heck, one guy just had his 3rd at 52. I consider it dumb, I wanted to be able to enjoy sports with my kids, but according to his wife he bangs her like a snare drum. They decide they want a baby, 2 months later (after she quits taking pills) and she's knocked up by him.

Yeah, yeah, anecdotal evidence. I've yet to see a study that really shows across the board control numbers. There's been plenty of speculation, that's not evidence either.

Personally guys, if you want kids, have'em by 45 so you can still enjoy them being kids. OTOH, ladies, it's likely if a guy can still get it up and was 'normal' to begin with he hasn't hit the sell by date. Different biology: You have to support the growing parasite (er, kid), guys don't. That's the reason there's a 'sell-by' date on female fertility: gestating a kid is hard on the body. Heck, toward the end you can't even process enough nutrients eating to give the kid, so they start stealing them from your body. (e.g. calcium)

The article that this thread is about cites a study.


Yes, but that same study has been batted around already. I haven't seen the controls for couple age. Examples: equal age older, equal age younger, older female / younger male, younger female / older male. Every time I try to view it, I hit the pay wall. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that history (older men often date and marry younger women) seems to fly in the face of it. Heck, the only reason I think women have a sell-by date is because of the stress on her body's systems. My great-grandmother had 17 kids (13 which survived to adulthood, not a bad average really for the late 19th, early 20th century) but not one was from a man under 28. In fact 8 of them were from a man over 40.Of the 4 that died, only one was from the man over 40.

Again, I know, anecdotal evidence. History seems to be mocking this study. The only openly published numbers are from 20-24 and older than 45 for the males. We see no numbers for the mothers (it takes two to make a baby yet, right?) or the mix of couples. Should the study be comparing younger couples to older couples it's likely a lark. At that point he hasn't controlled for the female component variable. I'd also like to see the history of the parents, and their parents, for medical factors. There's no big shock if a kid has issues when his parent's have a family history of issues (even if they're 'normal' they can still carry the trouble)
 
2014-02-28 01:04:42 PM

FunkOut: uber humper: FunkOut: cgraves67: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: So have we determined a sell-by date for men?

I'd guess around 40 just like women. That's when sperm mutations start creeping up and increasing the likelihood of birth defects. Also sperm motility is down, decreasing the likelihood of even having babies, defective or otherwise.

I knew a kid in elementary school whose father was about 65. She had bifocals in kindergarten.

Not what you're thinking. It's her mother's fault. She must of had bad eyes, too

You're going to have to explain. I've seen a lot of people who had eyesight defects that didn't come from their mother but got it from their father.


her mother must of had bad eyesight to be with a man that much older.

no science.  just a joke

/not a very good one
 
2014-02-28 01:05:06 PM

captjc: VladTheEmailer:  That's why I masturbate as soon as I get to my desk at 7:30am.

My cousin Walter jerked off in the office once. True story. He was in a meeting that wasn't going so well and there were talks of massive layoffs. They finally got around to his department, so he decides it's all over and whips it out and starts beating it right there on the boardroom table. So all the other coworkers take a cue from him and they start whipping it out and beating like mad. So all his coworkers are beating off, listening to the CEO rambling about failing corporate profits, when all of the sudden, snap! His department was one of the few profitable divisions and were going to get a slight budget increase for the year. The teleconference continues to the next department and everyone puts their pieces or, whatever, you know, away and go back to their desks. No one mentions the phenomenon to anyone else.


Meh, too gay.
 
2014-02-28 01:07:04 PM

Myria: VladTheEmailer: Myria: I'm very smart and thus would be useful to prevent idiocracy like most Farkers (I suspect most visitors to this site are above average intelligence).  The problem is that I'm transgender, and have always wished I were female.  I have no desire at all to be a father - I wish that I could be a mother.

There's nothing stopping you being a mother.  You're just limited from being a  biological mother.

Isn't that the point of the subthread, to spread good genes?


Then what is it that you wish for?  You say you have no desire to be a father, only to be a mother.   So its not the 'raising the child' part? It is the 'emitting a baby from your body' part?     From what I understand (like you I am ill-equipped to have experienced it directly) the latter is the least fun part.   You can (obviously) still contribute genetic material, if you wanted.
 
2014-02-28 01:08:03 PM

Abuse Liability: inglixthemad: Abuse Liability: FunkOut: Fafai: Shazam999: Pull out.

Right when it feels best? That goes against the instinct, too. I still prefer it to condoms. Been thinking of getting snipped for a while.

And you can get a woman pregnant from precum. Statstically low but it happens, especially if you have a good active sperm count.

Yep, it happens about as often as a failed condom.  These odds go even lower if you've urinated between when you last ejaculated and intercourse.  The fluid itself, secreted from the prostate has no semen but can often pick up 'trace' amounts.  It's main focus is to create a "less hostile" environment in the vagina, or rather, one more conducive to sperm life expectancy and motility.  Been utilizing coitus interruptus for years and it hasn't failed me.  The two kids I did  have took months of intentional seeding.

Yeesh, my last one took a month in my late 30's (we always knew when my wife was pregnant within a few days, she'd start puking at random times) and I thought I was slipping. Of course my wife was a fertile little baby maker as well.

We started at 27.  It's weird that it took me and most of my friends months to conceive.  It may be that we all started older or it may be that we're from Louisiana.  It's usually harder to knock your sister up.  Too many generations of inbreeding can cause sterility.

:-P


Meh, at least it worked without the expensive 'assistance.' We had one set of friends that tried for 2 years to get the first and 1 for the second. Talk about stress for them.

/turns out she did have a bit of a medical condition, don't remember what
 
2014-02-28 01:08:23 PM

Myria: cgraves67: FarkingReading: cgraves67:

bad breath and the need to evacuate bowels and bladders

You are making me so hot.

Sprechen sie Deutsch?

Sprechen Sie Katzendeutsch?  Miau!  =^-^=


Machen Sie nicht!
 
2014-02-28 01:09:39 PM

uber humper: FunkOut: uber humper: FunkOut: cgraves67: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: So have we determined a sell-by date for men?

I'd guess around 40 just like women. That's when sperm mutations start creeping up and increasing the likelihood of birth defects. Also sperm motility is down, decreasing the likelihood of even having babies, defective or otherwise.

I knew a kid in elementary school whose father was about 65. She had bifocals in kindergarten.

Not what you're thinking. It's her mother's fault. She must of had bad eyes, too

You're going to have to explain. I've seen a lot of people who had eyesight defects that didn't come from their mother but got it from their father.

her mother must of had bad eyesight to be with a man that much older.

no science.  just a joke

/not a very good one


Ah, sorry. I still haven't had caffeine yet.

The family was Swedish. Maybe it could be pinned on Viking insanity.
 
2014-02-28 01:13:10 PM
I can vouch for the DNA mutation of sperm. Mine have developed grappling hooks, a high wattage laser and directional thrusters. I'm presently training them in the art of safe cracking.

They train 4 times a day.
 
2014-02-28 01:14:16 PM

inglixthemad: Abuse Liability: inglixthemad: Abuse Liability: FunkOut: Fafai: Shazam999: Pull out.

Right when it feels best? That goes against the instinct, too. I still prefer it to condoms. Been thinking of getting snipped for a while.

And you can get a woman pregnant from precum. Statstically low but it happens, especially if you have a good active sperm count.

Yep, it happens about as often as a failed condom.  These odds go even lower if you've urinated between when you last ejaculated and intercourse.  The fluid itself, secreted from the prostate has no semen but can often pick up 'trace' amounts.  It's main focus is to create a "less hostile" environment in the vagina, or rather, one more conducive to sperm life expectancy and motility.  Been utilizing coitus interruptus for years and it hasn't failed me.  The two kids I did  have took months of intentional seeding.

Yeesh, my last one took a month in my late 30's (we always knew when my wife was pregnant within a few days, she'd start puking at random times) and I thought I was slipping. Of course my wife was a fertile little baby maker as well.

We started at 27.  It's weird that it took me and most of my friends months to conceive.  It may be that we all started older or it may be that we're from Louisiana.  It's usually harder to knock your sister up.  Too many generations of inbreeding can cause sterility.

:-P

Meh, at least it worked without the expensive 'assistance.' We had one set of friends that tried for 2 years to get the first and 1 for the second. Talk about stress for them.

/turns out she did have a bit of a medical condition, don't remember what


It could have been much worse.  The drugs are expensive.  There also could have been miscarriages, implantation difficulty.  Other than the time it took we had no difficulties and we needed no assistance.  Thank God/Spaghetti Monster/Science
 
2014-02-28 01:20:26 PM

blatz514: Diogenes: blatz514: vernonFL: Men are horniest in the morning.

Were you peeking in my bedroom window this morning?

/love morning sex

I recall a study that said, for dudes, 7am and 10pm.

That would explain my raging boners every morning.


Yep. Morning wood is a real thing.
 
2014-02-28 01:33:13 PM
Am I the only one who RTFA, including subette? The "biological clock" has nothing to do with a drive to procreate. It says that as men get older, the chance that their offspring will have psychological disorders is higher.
 
2014-02-28 01:34:41 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-28 01:53:29 PM

pseudoscience: Am I the only one who RTFA, including subette? The "biological clock" has nothing to do with a drive to procreate. It says that as men get older, the chance that their offspring will have psychological disorders is higher.


Without seeing how the study reached the actual numbers (they're behind a paywall), and how they controlled for age, it's pointless.

The breakdowns to prove it is the male would have to have controls like:

equal age couple (under 25)
equal age couple (under 35)
equal age couple (under 45)

older woman / younger man (35-45, under 30)

older man / younger woman (40-50, under 30)

Unless you provide controls, the study is worthless. Let's also not forget the relevant histories of each family. That has to go back, what, 3 generations on average to be useful? That's so you don't have statistical anomalies, like this group here had a bunch of people that should have been disqualified from participating lest they skew the results.

I'm not saying what the study says is impossible, just that it flies in the face of history. Also, the only reason I think women have a hardwired biological clock built into them is that carrying a kid is tough on her body. A woman that didn't become infertile that 'early' would be risking death constantly, especially without modern medicine. Imagine a 50 year old woman carrying a kid in the 18th century. Just making it to 50 (childbirth deaths were not uncommon) having kids was an accomplishment. Imagine asking her body to do it again at 50. That's just begging for the reaper to visit.
 
2014-02-28 02:10:16 PM
...Subby.  No. That's not even  remotely what TFA said--TFA said that children of older fathers, like children of older mothers, are at a higher risk of developing disorders because the reproductive DNA is more likely to break down.

That is not a biological clock in any sense of the term.

/A biological clock is, say, that thing that tells you when it's bedtime or when to wake up. Or, in women, when to have your period. Or, in both genders, when your hair should grow v. rest. That thing.
 
2014-02-28 02:30:13 PM
Living on your own has its perks.(Schwing) Your mom doesn't tell you

to turn down the stereo.That's a real drag.(Schwing) (Schwing) Because moms genetically hate music

played at the appropriate level. And my dad, forget about it (Schwing) (Schwing)(Schwing)(Schwing)

He'd ruin a led Zeppelin reunion concert you know what I mean? (Schwing)( Schwing) He hates music at

the appropriate  level.(Schwing)(Schwing)(Schwing)

But the shopkeeper and his son

was a different story altogether.
 
2014-02-28 02:57:18 PM

TomD9938: Livinglush: I'm sure they would not forget to factor in that older men tend to with older women?

I'm assuming then that they did this analysis only on men who's baby carrying women were all of an identical age?


This was my question as well.  I guess it's too much to ask of TFA to tell us if the study meant there were men of all different ages having kids with women only aged 20 to 25, say and which kids came out screwy.


groppet: everytime I hear about people having a kid the first things I think of are the cost and the state of the world and that I am doing a potential kid a favor by not having one.


Sort of a preemptive suicide.


Age of the mom had minimal effect on the autism/schizo/bipolar issues.

Old moms give you Downs, not the crazy.
 
2014-02-28 03:40:29 PM

inglixthemad: pseudoscience: Am I the only one who RTFA, including subette? The "biological clock" has nothing to do with a drive to procreate. It says that as men get older, the chance that their offspring will have psychological disorders is higher.

Without seeing how the study reached the actual numbers (they're behind a paywall), and how they controlled for age, it's pointless.

The breakdowns to prove it is the male would have to have controls like:

equal age couple (under 25)
equal age couple (under 35)
equal age couple (under 45)

older woman / younger man (35-45, under 30)

older man / younger woman (40-50, under 30)

Unless you provide controls, the study is worthless. Let's also not forget the relevant histories of each family. That has to go back, what, 3 generations on average to be useful? That's so you don't have statistical anomalies, like this group here had a bunch of people that should have been disqualified from participating lest they skew the results.

I'm not saying what the study says is impossible, just that it flies in the face of history. Also, the only reason I think women have a hardwired biological clock built into them is that carrying a kid is tough on her body. A woman that didn't become infertile that 'early' would be risking death constantly, especially without modern medicine. Imagine a 50 year old woman carrying a kid in the 18th century. Just making it to 50 (childbirth deaths were not uncommon) having kids was an accomplishment. Imagine asking her body to do it again at 50. That's just begging for the reaper to visit.


My comment was simply to point out that the article does not say at all what the fark headline says, and what people are commenting about.

However, the article does say a little about the study and how it was controlled.

While most studies on this subject simply compare children born to young fathers with those of older fathers, D'Onofrio calls that method "comparing apples and oranges, because we know that young fathers differ on many things compared to older fathers."
Instead, D'Onofrio and his colleagues compared siblings; looking at the outcomes when the same man has a child in his younger years and then again later in life.
"That enabled us to get a better understanding of what's truly due to the advancing father's age at childbearing," says D'Onofrio.


So they control for age and other factors by looking at siblings, and the hypothesis is that genetic mutations in sperm build up as the father ages. I believe they say the effect is small, and the result is relatively less severe psychiatric problems like ADHD, so I don't think it would go against history. Can't really say without reading it completely, but that's my 2 cents.
 
2014-02-28 04:35:44 PM
I like to give the old clock a vigorous winding whether it needs it or not.
 
2014-02-28 11:28:05 PM
We still fostering that "humans are meant to be monogamous" lie or have we woken up and smelled the science yet?
 
2014-03-01 01:16:56 AM
I think Subette's theory is supported by that earlier story about the 72 year old masturbating substitute teacher.
 
2014-03-01 02:09:54 AM

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where did you get hidden video of lady gaga demanding more money from the devil?
 
2014-03-01 11:29:39 AM

pseudoscience: inglixthemad: pseudoscience: Am I the only one who RTFA, including subette? The "biological clock" has nothing to do with a drive to procreate. It says that as men get older, the chance that their offspring will have psychological disorders is higher.

Without seeing how the study reached the actual numbers (they're behind a paywall), and how they controlled for age, it's pointless.

The breakdowns to prove it is the male would have to have controls like:

equal age couple (under 25)
equal age couple (under 35)
equal age couple (under 45)

older woman / younger man (35-45, under 30)

older man / younger woman (40-50, under 30)

Unless you provide controls, the study is worthless. Let's also not forget the relevant histories of each family. That has to go back, what, 3 generations on average to be useful? That's so you don't have statistical anomalies, like this group here had a bunch of people that should have been disqualified from participating lest they skew the results.

I'm not saying what the study says is impossible, just that it flies in the face of history. Also, the only reason I think women have a hardwired biological clock built into them is that carrying a kid is tough on her body. A woman that didn't become infertile that 'early' would be risking death constantly, especially without modern medicine. Imagine a 50 year old woman carrying a kid in the 18th century. Just making it to 50 (childbirth deaths were not uncommon) having kids was an accomplishment. Imagine asking her body to do it again at 50. That's just begging for the reaper to visit.

My comment was simply to point out that the article does not say at all what the fark headline says, and what people are commenting about.

However, the article does say a little about the study and how it was controlled.

While most studies on this subject simply compare children born to young fathers with those of older fathers, D'Onofrio calls that method "comparing apples and oranges, because we know that yo ...




Which still might not be a valid control. My cousin has babies (5) with her husband before 30. They decide for one more when he's 45 and she's 39. The last baby has issues, so what caused the issues? Would the last baby have had issues if she was younger, or him?
 
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