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(Orlando Sentinel)   SeaWorld sues OSHA investigator for daring to expose their horrifying, unsafe workplace to the public   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 10
    More: Florida, Occupational Safety and Health Administration, SeaWorld, Dawn Brancheau, researchers, Tilikum, U.S. Department of Labor  
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2014-02-28 09:22:57 AM  
5 votes:
It says that they're filing a complaint with the dept of labor. My GED in Law got lost in the mail but I don't think that's the same as suing them outright. If they did they wouldn't have a fin to stand on.

If anything in the documentary was a lie they'd be suing for slander (or is it libel) so if anything, this move by Sea World indicates that it's all true,
2014-02-28 10:59:05 AM  
3 votes:

vicioushobbit: netcentric: Prey4reign: They belong in a museum.  The owners of Sea World, that is, not the killer whales; the killer whales belong in the wild.  Free Willie and the rest of them.


 Not disagreeing with you... but why did you not at least throw a bone to the 1,000 other animals being held in SeaWorld as captives ?

There is definitely something disgusting about ZOO's profiting off of caged animals.  Sea World is not much better.    But I don't care any more for that stupid whale than I would about the other animals and fish.

Personally, I just have a hard time believing anybody can have enough space to keep a whale happy.  I mean, look how much space they are required to give elephants, zebras, giraffes...freaking acres.  They also tend to be allowed to stay with their young, grow old with them, etc, because space is generally available.

With whales, not so much.  A whale is given significantly less space, proportionally to their body, to exercise and move around.  They are very, very rarely allowed to keep their young for long, and "pods" are really little more than mismatched bits of broken families.  The whales are also being forced to do tricks, unlike say, the sea anemones, jellyfish, and other creatures being kept.

It's one thing to profit off the view and exploration of a creature, and quite another to enslave it to do tricks for its food.  I'll go to zoos, and i'll criticize the hell out of them if I feel the animals aren't being provided enough space or stimulation (though I do believe that yes, they BELONG in the wild), but I'll not step foot in a place like Sea World.


Two things:
1 - Zoos also function as 're-population' facilities for dying or endangered species.  They are protected and mated to increase the populations so hopefully they can be released back in to the wild.  The US has a pretty good system in place for this where zoos share males to mate with the females in different zoos across the country.  There are habitats in Africa that do this as well with less success but still offer protection for the increaed hunting, especially of animals that offer something other than meat, like ivory.

2 - I was working in the IT department for Seaworld when the trainer was killed (in Saint Louis because they were still owned by AB at the time).  Within an hour of her death we received an email telling us not to comment or talk to the press at all.  It was weird because it had to be a form letter due to it being so detailed as to where to refer questions and what we could and could not say.  So, with my access to database records and under the excuse of working on an issue for another park, I started looking and the animal care application had a full list of incidents with all the animals and the Orcas were, by far, the longest list.  After seeing Blackfish and what I knew from working there, I was amazed that Seaworld tried to deny that there were any issues with the whales.  It makes me wonder if OSHA has subpoena powers to get those records.
2014-02-28 09:42:27 AM  
3 votes:
They belong in a museum.  The owners of Sea World, that is, not the killer whales; the killer whales belong in the wild.  Free Willie and the rest of them.
2014-02-28 10:42:47 AM  
2 votes:

netcentric: Prey4reign: They belong in a museum.  The owners of Sea World, that is, not the killer whales; the killer whales belong in the wild.  Free Willie and the rest of them.


 Not disagreeing with you... but why did you not at least throw a bone to the 1,000 other animals being held in SeaWorld as captives ?

There is definitely something disgusting about ZOO's profiting off of caged animals.  Sea World is not much better.    But I don't care any more for that stupid whale than I would about the other animals and fish.


Personally, I just have a hard time believing anybody can have enough space to keep a whale happy.  I mean, look how much space they are required to give elephants, zebras, giraffes...freaking acres.  They also tend to be allowed to stay with their young, grow old with them, etc, because space is generally available.

With whales, not so much.  A whale is given significantly less space, proportionally to their body, to exercise and move around.  They are very, very rarely allowed to keep their young for long, and "pods" are really little more than mismatched bits of broken families.  The whales are also being forced to do tricks, unlike say, the sea anemones, jellyfish, and other creatures being kept.

It's one thing to profit off the view and exploration of a creature, and quite another to enslave it to do tricks for its food.  I'll go to zoos, and i'll criticize the hell out of them if I feel the animals aren't being provided enough space or stimulation (though I do believe that yes, they BELONG in the wild), but I'll not step foot in a place like Sea World.
2014-02-28 01:48:29 PM  
1 votes:
Blackfish was good, but definitely very emotional. There is a good Frontline documentary released in the 90s or early 2000s (it's on youtube) covering the same issues but more factual. I definitely agree that there is an ethical issue with keeping animals (like orcas, elephants, great apes) with near-human intelligence and complex social structures in captivity like that. The OSHA investigation worries me though.  There have been 4 or 5 deaths and a few score injuries in ~30 years? This to OSHA means that working with the Orcas is fundamentally unsafe and can't continue.

I work with horses. You probably see 4 or 5 jockey deaths worldwide every year, as well as several deaths in 3 day eventing and showjumping. Not to mention the things that go on "behind the scenes," I knew of a woman who was leading a horse and got struck right in the chest and died of a heart attack. I myself have had 6 concussions due to riding or handling, a hip injury, and carpal tunnel in both wrists partially due to landing on my hands. I don't know of any professional riders or trainers that haven't broken at least one bone in their career. Yes horses are fundamentally dangerous but people that have made their careers in this business know that and do it anyway. I fear an OSHA ruling against Seaworld would really set a bad precedent.
2014-02-28 11:44:51 AM  
1 votes:

netcentric: Prey4reign: They belong in a museum.  The owners of Sea World, that is, not the killer whales; the killer whales belong in the wild.  Free Willie and the rest of them.


 Not disagreeing with you... but why did you not at least throw a bone to the 1,000 other animals being held in SeaWorld as captives ?

There is definitely something disgusting about ZOO's profiting off of caged animals.  Sea World is not much better.    But I don't care any more for that stupid whale than I would about the other animals and fish.


A fair point to think of all the other animals, but fark everyone who thinks zoos are just prisons for animals.  Modern zoos do a great deal to care for their animals and give them a good environment and aren't run for profit.


A while back I started going out with this girl and I suggested we go to the zoo.  Her reaction was bad.  She said she didn't want to see animals in cages.  I knew our relationship was doomed right then and there.


That's just one brick more than thinking that dogs and cats shouldn't be called pets because they're "companions".  Well, of course they're companions.  "Pet" means animal companion.  And I own pets.  They're chattel.

Dolphins don't need human rights
So Shamu wants a bigger tank to swim in. I'd like a bigger house. Your mom wishes she had bigger tits. You wish you had a bigger dick. Sometimes life just isn't fair.
2014-02-28 10:56:30 AM  
1 votes:

Hickory-smoked: Animal-based theme parks and circuses, not so much.


Actually I've never heard a bad thing about Busch Gardens, ironically owned by Sea World. They rescue animals, take good care of them from what I've seen and they don't have animal shows anymore (there might still be a bird show). Of course they're in captivity but they have pretty decent habitats and no one is poaching them. They also have a fully staffed vet hospital.

I don't know much about Disney's Animal Kingdom. I doubt they're as rescue oriented but they have an open Serengeti type area where the animals can go wherever they want (within the habit of course, they can't ride Space Mountain but it's a large open area). On the "safaris", you ride around and whatever animals happen to be there you get to see, they don't cattle prod them so the guests can look at them or anything.

So not all theme parks are bad. Sea World just happen to be assholes.

Oh and circuses are crimes against (whatever the animal equivalent of "humanity" is). My grandfather took me to one when I was like four and I demanded to get TF out. My mom was pissed he took me.
2014-02-28 10:47:35 AM  
1 votes:
Dumb of the OSHA person to be seen anywhere near the filmmakers for exactly this reason.
2014-02-28 10:40:05 AM  
1 votes:

netcentric: Prey4reign: They belong in a museum.  The owners of Sea World, that is, not the killer whales; the killer whales belong in the wild.  Free Willie and the rest of them.


 Not disagreeing with you... but why did you not at least throw a bone to the 1,000 other animals being held in SeaWorld as captives ?

There is definitely something disgusting about ZOO's profiting off of caged animals.  Sea World is not much better.    But I don't care any more for that stupid whale than I would about the other animals and fish.


Zoos usually operate as educational centers, and have a high standard of animal care. Animal-based theme parks and circuses, not so much.
2014-02-28 10:38:45 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: It says that they're filing a complaint with the dept of labor. My GED in Law got lost in the mail but I don't think that's the same as suing them outright. If they did they wouldn't have a fin to stand on.

If anything in the documentary was a lie they'd be suing for slander (or is it libel) so if anything, this move by Sea World indicates that it's all true,


That Blackfish documentary has got to be full of lies... for one thing, whales are mammals not fish. Orcas are also part white and part black... so calling them blackfish would also not be accurate. I guess orcas are black and white when they are good but as soon as they kill a trainer, they are just black. So the documentary is also racist.
 
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