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(Short List)   Bret Easton Ellis and Rob Zombie teaming for TV drama on The Manson Murders. This is...not a bad idea   (shortlist.com) divider line 47
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2014-02-28 10:01:40 AM  
Starring Sheri Moon Zombie as Sharon Tate, probably.
 
2014-02-28 10:17:08 AM  
So, Hollywood thinks it has been long enough that we now want to celebrate those events in a masturbatory affair of glam and blood?
 
2014-02-28 10:17:58 AM  
I love the book Helter Skelter and when Otis in The Devil's Rejects says "I'm the devil and I'm here to do the devil's work." it gave me goosebumps.  I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for this one.
 
2014-02-28 10:45:59 AM  
Yes it is. It is a bad idea. Not that the story couldn't be told but these are the wrong guys to do it. Both of them. So wrong.

Oh, and FTFA:

The twosome are developing a project for Fox and Alcon Television based around the Manson Murders (well, it was never going to be a period drama, was it?), which will see Ellis penning the script and Zombie on directing duties.

Isn't a movie about the Manson Family a period drama by very definition? Unless they're going to go for a period comedy. Which would be interesting.

Somebody needs to do The Shadow over Santa Susana...but not these guys.
 
2014-02-28 10:48:18 AM  
I'm pretty sure it's a bad idea.

Say what you will about the quality and format of Rob Zombie's body of work, at least he seems to honestly love what he does no matter what the critics say.

Ellis, on the other hand, has repeatedly proven that he's nothing but a retarded attention whore who was extremely lucky that Christian Bale sat his ass down on a casting couch one day back in the late 90s. Bale is the only reason anybody even knows that egomaniac's name.
 
2014-02-28 10:56:01 AM  
This is a really farked up movie.

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The Manson Family (2003)
 
2014-02-28 10:58:20 AM  
I'd cast Jay Baruchel as Charlie and Seth Rogen as Squeky and make it a hilarious weed comedy.
 
2014-02-28 10:58:41 AM  
This is bad news if you were looking for a TV show delicately handling sensitive source material.

This is good news if you like Bret Easton Ellis, the book Helter Skelter and think Rob Zombie's movies are interesting (not sure I would call them "good" but they hold my interest).

I'm in group 2, this sounds awesome.
 
2014-02-28 11:10:22 AM  
I've liked all of Rob's movies except the last one (Lords of Salem). I wish he was still doing the Broad Street Bullies movie.
 
2014-02-28 11:21:01 AM  

Obscure Login: This is bad news if you were looking for a TV show delicately handling sensitive source material.

This is good news if you like Bret Easton Ellis, the book Helter Skelter and think Rob Zombie's movies are interesting (not sure I would call them "good" but they hold my interest).

I'm in group 2, this sounds awesome.


House of 1000 Corpses is a great comedy.
 
2014-02-28 11:31:55 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: House of 1000 Corpses is a great comedy.


Yes, it is. I feel black comedy is Rob's strong suit. When he takes things too seriously, it's not as good.
 
2014-02-28 11:37:15 AM  

skozlaw: I'm pretty sure it's a bad idea.

Say what you will about the quality and format of Rob Zombie's body of work, at least he seems to honestly love what he does no matter what the critics say.

Ellis, on the other hand, has repeatedly proven that he's nothing but a retarded attention whore who was extremely lucky that Christian Bale sat his ass down on a casting couch one day back in the late 90s. Bale is the only reason anybody even knows that egomaniac's name.



Bale is the only reason that anyone who doesn't read books knows that egomaniac's name. Ellis is a dick, no doubt about it and his writing isn't for everyone but believe it or not, he has books other than American Psycho and a lot of people liked them "no matter what the critics say" before that movie ever came out.
 
2014-02-28 11:41:51 AM  

strangeguitar: I've liked all of Rob's movies except the last one (Lords of Salem).


Lords of Salem was just so terrible.  I actually got myself banned from Rob's facebook page because I reviewed his movie there, and ol' Rob just can't take criticism.

I'll be honest.  The only GOOD movie Rob made was Devil's Rejects.  Halloween was watchable.  the others are just farking horrible.
 
2014-02-28 11:45:24 AM  

skozlaw: I'm pretty sure it's a bad idea.

Say what you will about the quality and format of Rob Zombie's body of work, at least he seems to honestly love what he does no matter what the critics say.

Ellis, on the other hand, has repeatedly proven that he's nothing but a retarded attention whore who was extremely lucky that Christian Bale sat his ass down on a casting couch one day back in the late 90s. Bale is the only reason anybody even knows that egomaniac's name.


When Less Than Zero came out, it got pretty big attention, where I lived at the time anyway.  That's a disturbing book as well, the movie has almost nothing to do with it, basically same name and thinly similar premise.
 
2014-02-28 11:46:32 AM  

PooperMcSlides: skozlaw: I'm pretty sure it's a bad idea.

Say what you will about the quality and format of Rob Zombie's body of work, at least he seems to honestly love what he does no matter what the critics say.

Ellis, on the other hand, has repeatedly proven that he's nothing but a retarded attention whore who was extremely lucky that Christian Bale sat his ass down on a casting couch one day back in the late 90s. Bale is the only reason anybody even knows that egomaniac's name.

Bale is the only reason that anyone who doesn't read books knows that egomaniac's name. Ellis is a dick, no doubt about it and his writing isn't for everyone but believe it or not, he has books other than American Psycho and a lot of people liked them "no matter what the critics say" before that movie ever came out.


Ellis is worse than a dick, he's a hack. In my experience, the people who like his stuff are more enamored with the blurb jacket summary than how the book reads. But at least it has high-end product placement potential.
 
2014-02-28 11:52:20 AM  

strangeguitar: I've liked all of Rob's movies except the last one (Lords of Salem). I wish he was still doing the Broad Street Bullies movie.


I bet he used that as an excuse to go to free hockey games and had no intention of creating that movie.
 
2014-02-28 11:57:05 AM  
The whole first season will be about Charlie's shiatty childhood.
 
2014-02-28 12:00:43 PM  

Jekylman: is worse than a dick, he's a hack. In my experience, the people who like his stuff are more enamored with the blurb jacket summary than how the book reads. But at least it has high-end product placement potential.


Just a question, have you read many of his books? If so, why did you keep reading them if they are so bad? The anti-Ellis crowd always has such a holier than thou and condescending attitude towards people who have dared to enjoy an Ellis book, it's hilarious. In my opinion, all of his books aren't good but he has a particular writing style that I like, not to mention the REALLY GREAT blurb jacket summaries.
 
2014-02-28 12:03:42 PM  
Why the HELL did I read his name as Rombie Zomberg? WHY? It is because I'm a Jew?
 
2014-02-28 12:06:46 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: Why the HELL did I read his name as Rombie Zomberg? WHY? It is because I'm a Jew?


Well, it is your fault that the Christmas lights are tangled up.
 
2014-02-28 12:12:50 PM  
If only someone had done this before.

/that movie was awesome and creepy
 
2014-02-28 12:28:53 PM  

skozlaw: I'm pretty sure it's a bad idea.

Say what you will about the quality and format of Rob Zombie's body of work, at least he seems to honestly love what he does no matter what the critics say.

Ellis, on the other hand, has repeatedly proven that he's nothing but a retarded attention whore who was extremely lucky that Christian Bale sat his ass down on a casting couch one day back in the late 90s. Bale is the only reason anybody even knows that egomaniac's name.


Well, there was also the little matter of a young Robert Downey Jr. as a cracked out male prostitute in Less than Zero.  That's how I became aware of Mr. Ellis.
 
2014-02-28 12:30:59 PM  
Who'll play Shorty Shea? Who'll play The Beach Boy? Who'll play Tuesday Weld?
 
2014-02-28 12:32:06 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: Why the HELL did I read his name as Rombie Zomberg? WHY? It is because I'm a Jew?


Rombie Zomberg is the name of my metal/klezmer fusion band.
 
2014-02-28 12:36:02 PM  
I suspect we'll find that this project is already dead.  already dead.  already dead.  already dead.  already dead.
 
2014-02-28 12:36:07 PM  
Less Than Zero, though I haven't read the book...made for a very disturbing, though very good movie.
Very Requiem for a Dream-ish.
Intense.
American Psycho, the book, was amazing...to me, groundbreaking, in it's heavily-laden details of fashion and clothing and music...as well as the horrifying descriptions of rape, mutilation, and torture.
Honestly, being a gore-hound who's been an Ogrish member since 2003...and who watched Faces of Death, Traces of Death, Inhumanities, etc...years before the internet...
I was blown away.
And was equally entranced by the movie with Bale.

I can't say if Ellis is talented past those Zero and Psycho, cuz I haven't checked out any more of his work.
I tend to not want to get let down by whatever follows a masterpiece...so I just stop dealing with whatever artist puts out the masterpiece...and stick to just viewing or watching or reading that one perfect piece of work so it's never ruined.

Zombie...I can honestly say I've thoroughly enjoyed all of his music up until Hellbilly...I feel he went overboard in hokey hype after that.
But not a single film of his has let me down. Sure, Lords of Salem could have been better, but is didn't suck by a long sight.
He's best when he's being ruthless...filming the worst things we can think of...

Example, awesome all the way through, Devil's Rejects...just the whole farkin thing.
Example, amazingly brutal, vicious stabbing scene on black nurse in Halloween 2.
Example, amazing brutal beheading in crashed van.
Example, thrill ride of an opening; the attempted robbery in 1000 Corpses.
Example, the truck stop bathroom stabbing in Halloween.
Example, the horrible screams and crying out and suffering Danielle Harris emits when being stabbed in BOTH Halloween and Halloween 2.

These two, Ellis and Zombie, if at their most heartless, brutal, and graphic peak...
Will make a legendary movie that will chill and shock people 30-40 years later, a-la; Last House on the Left and A Clockwork Orange.
I personally, can't wait!
 
2014-02-28 12:39:07 PM  

PooperMcSlides: Jekylman: is worse than a dick, he's a hack. In my experience, the people who like his stuff are more enamored with the blurb jacket summary than how the book reads. But at least it has high-end product placement potential.

Just a question, have you read many of his books? If so, why did you keep reading them if they are so bad? The anti-Ellis crowd always has such a holier than thou and condescending attitude towards people who have dared to enjoy an Ellis book, it's hilarious. In my opinion, all of his books aren't good but he has a particular writing style that I like, not to mention the REALLY GREAT blurb jacket summaries.


I read a few of them the same way I read Don DeLillo's books. I read one based on a recommendation from a friend and thought, "not all of his stuff can be this bad." So I read more because people I knew kept praising him. For DeLillo that was true. White Noise was much better than Cosmopolis. For Ellis, they were all really that bad. To each his own, but personally I find the Pennysaver classifieds to be more enjoyable than an Ellis book. They serve the same purpose and provide more entertainment.
 
2014-02-28 12:40:21 PM  
Can we keep in theme and have Reznor do some of the music for it?

.....doesn't it make you feel better?
 
2014-02-28 01:17:19 PM  

Jekylman: PooperMcSlides: Jekylman: is worse than a dick, he's a hack. In my experience, the people who like his stuff are more enamored with the blurb jacket summary than how the book reads. But at least it has high-end product placement potential.

Just a question, have you read many of his books? If so, why did you keep reading them if they are so bad? The anti-Ellis crowd always has such a holier than thou and condescending attitude towards people who have dared to enjoy an Ellis book, it's hilarious. In my opinion, all of his books aren't good but he has a particular writing style that I like, not to mention the REALLY GREAT blurb jacket summaries.

I read a few of them the same way I read Don DeLillo's books. I read one based on a recommendation from a friend and thought, "not all of his stuff can be this bad." So I read more because people I knew kept praising him. For DeLillo that was true. White Noise was much better than Cosmopolis. For Ellis, they were all really that bad. To each his own, but personally I find the Pennysaver classifieds to be more enjoyable than an Ellis book. They serve the same purpose and provide more entertainment.


Fair enough, I can understand why some people don't like Ellis' books but what I just don't follow is the superior tone from people that don't like him. Sure he's a dick but who cares, don't read about him, if you don't like his books, don't read them.

Now I'm off to search the internet for a thread on an author that I don't like so I can make it clear that my literary tastes are superior to those who disagree with me.
 
2014-02-28 01:40:33 PM  

PooperMcSlides: Jekylman: PooperMcSlides: Jekylman: is worse than a dick, he's a hack. In my experience, the people who like his stuff are more enamored with the blurb jacket summary than how the book reads. But at least it has high-end product placement potential.

Just a question, have you read many of his books? If so, why did you keep reading them if they are so bad? The anti-Ellis crowd always has such a holier than thou and condescending attitude towards people who have dared to enjoy an Ellis book, it's hilarious. In my opinion, all of his books aren't good but he has a particular writing style that I like, not to mention the REALLY GREAT blurb jacket summaries.

I read a few of them the same way I read Don DeLillo's books. I read one based on a recommendation from a friend and thought, "not all of his stuff can be this bad." So I read more because people I knew kept praising him. For DeLillo that was true. White Noise was much better than Cosmopolis. For Ellis, they were all really that bad. To each his own, but personally I find the Pennysaver classifieds to be more enjoyable than an Ellis book. They serve the same purpose and provide more entertainment.

Fair enough, I can understand why some people don't like Ellis' books but what I just don't follow is the superior tone from people that don't like him. Sure he's a dick but who cares, don't read about him, if you don't like his books, don't read them.

Now I'm off to search the internet for a thread on an author that I don't like so I can make it clear that my literary tastes are superior to those who disagree with me.


Hey pal, pssst, Fark's still in the room and can probably hear you.
 
2014-02-28 01:43:39 PM  

crotchgrabber: unfarkingbelievable: Why the HELL did I read his name as Rombie Zomberg? WHY? It is because I'm a Jew?

Well, it is your fault that the Christmas lights are tangled up.


BATMANATEE: unfarkingbelievable: Why the HELL did I read his name as Rombie Zomberg? WHY? It is because I'm a Jew?

Rombie Zomberg is the name of my metal/klezmer fusion band.


You people are why I love Fark!  Thanks for the laughs, guys!
 
2014-02-28 01:47:29 PM  
Didn't Ellis write the screenplay for "The Canyons?"  Wow, was that film terrible.

I read American Psycho before a movie was in the works.  When I went and saw the movie I didn't like it, probably because it wasn't how I "saw" the movie being made.  Upon future viewings I realized the film is actually really, really good, it is just different from the book.
 
2014-02-28 01:59:08 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: So, Hollywood thinks it has been long enough that we now want to celebrate those events in a masturbatory affair of glam and blood?


I'm with you on this one.  I got pretty angry when Rolling Stone magazine had a huge article on him and his new girlfriend a few issues back.
 
2014-02-28 01:59:38 PM  
I think Zombie is a lot like Tim Burton in that he has a certain vision and sensibility.  After a while it becomes formulaic and people get sick of it.
 
2014-02-28 02:07:23 PM  

Ryker's Peninsula: I'm with you on this one. I got pretty angry when Rolling Stone magazine had a huge article on him and his new girlfriend a few issues back.


Relax.  It was just murder, not murder-murder.
 
2014-02-28 03:08:04 PM  
Zombie indeed.  Just sit back and wait for Bret and Rob to eat each other alive.
 
2014-02-28 03:14:59 PM  

SundaesChild: Well, there was also the little matter of a young Robert Downey Jr. as a cracked out male prostitute in Less than Zero. That's how I became aware of Mr. Ellis.


I'd wager most people became aware of him through the American Psycho film adaptation. In fact, I'd wager most people couldn't even tell you who wrote Less Than Zero if they've even heard of it.

MadMonk: When Less Than Zero came out, it got pretty big attention, where I lived at the time anyway. That's a disturbing book as well, the movie has almost nothing to do with it, basically same name and thinly similar premise.


PooperMcSlides: Bale is the only reason that anyone who doesn't read books knows that egomaniac's name. Ellis is a dick, no doubt about it and his writing isn't for everyone but believe it or not, he has books other than American Psycho and a lot of people liked them "no matter what the critics say" before that movie ever came out.


You're not seriously going to argue that his popularity is the result of anything but the American Psycho film though, are you? I don't think it's the least bit fair to say this guy wouldn't even reach Dean Koontz levels of notability if not for 1) the film and 2) Bale's performance getting critics' attention.

There are lots of niche authors out there who make a modest living selling their work. I think Ellis would have been lucky to be one of them if not for the movie, but what's really galling is that he acts like king shiat anyway. The guy's barely clinging to what little status he has because somebody else managed to adapt his atrocious pile of crap into a decent movie and now he acts like he's the best thing ever whenever he gets chance.

Of course, maybe that's why he's always being such a little biatch about everything. That constant reminder that the vast majority of his limited fame is the result of somebody else's effort in a medium he didn't even work in.
 
2014-02-28 03:32:13 PM  

skozlaw: SundaesChild: Well, there was also the little matter of a young Robert Downey Jr. as a cracked out male prostitute in Less than Zero. That's how I became aware of Mr. Ellis.

I'd wager most people became aware of him through the American Psycho film adaptation. In fact, I'd wager most people couldn't even tell you who wrote Less Than Zero if they've even heard of it.

MadMonk: When Less Than Zero came out, it got pretty big attention, where I lived at the time anyway. That's a disturbing book as well, the movie has almost nothing to do with it, basically same name and thinly similar premise.

PooperMcSlides: Bale is the only reason that anyone who doesn't read books knows that egomaniac's name. Ellis is a dick, no doubt about it and his writing isn't for everyone but believe it or not, he has books other than American Psycho and a lot of people liked them "no matter what the critics say" before that movie ever came out.

You're not seriously going to argue that his popularity is the result of anything but the American Psycho film though, are you? I don't think it's the least bit fair to say this guy wouldn't even reach Dean Koontz levels of notability if not for 1) the film and 2) Bale's performance getting critics' attention.

There are lots of niche authors out there who make a modest living selling their work. I think Ellis would have been lucky to be one of them if not for the movie, but what's really galling is that he acts like king shiat anyway. The guy's barely clinging to what little status he has because somebody else managed to adapt his atrocious pile of crap into a decent movie and now he acts like he's the best thing ever whenever he gets chance.

Of course, maybe that's why he's always being such a little biatch about everything. That constant reminder that the vast majority of his limited fame is the result of somebody else's effort in a medium he didn't even work in.


We get it, you don't like him. Clean the poop out of your pants and move on. Believe it or not, he was popular before before AS and yes, more popular after. Because you only heard of him through Christian Bale doesn't mean that nobody else did.
 
2014-02-28 03:37:51 PM  
"Because you only heard of him through Christian Bale doesn't mean that nobody else did."

Whoops, What I was trying to say above in my terrible english is "Because you only heard of him through Christian Bale doesn't mean that everyone else did too"
 
2014-02-28 04:09:00 PM  

skozlaw: SundaesChild: Well, there was also the little matter of a young Robert Downey Jr. as a cracked out male prostitute in Less than Zero. That's how I became aware of Mr. Ellis.

I'd wager most people became aware of him through the American Psycho film adaptation. In fact, I'd wager most people couldn't even tell you who wrote Less Than Zero if they've even heard of it.

MadMonk: When Less Than Zero came out, it got pretty big attention, where I lived at the time anyway. That's a disturbing book as well, the movie has almost nothing to do with it, basically same name and thinly similar premise.

PooperMcSlides: Bale is the only reason that anyone who doesn't read books knows that egomaniac's name. Ellis is a dick, no doubt about it and his writing isn't for everyone but believe it or not, he has books other than American Psycho and a lot of people liked them "no matter what the critics say" before that movie ever came out.

You're not seriously going to argue that his popularity is the result of anything but the American Psycho film though, are you? I don't think it's the least bit fair to say this guy wouldn't even reach Dean Koontz levels of notability if not for 1) the film and 2) Bale's performance getting critics' attention.

There are lots of niche authors out there who make a modest living selling their work. I think Ellis would have been lucky to be one of them if not for the movie, but what's really galling is that he acts like king shiat anyway. The guy's barely clinging to what little status he has because somebody else managed to adapt his atrocious pile of crap into a decent movie and now he acts like he's the best thing ever whenever he gets chance.

Of course, maybe that's why he's always being such a little biatch about everything. That constant reminder that the vast majority of his limited fame is the result of somebody else's effort in a medium he didn't even work in.


Except for a book that he wrote in high school was made into a major motion picture before Christian Bale was even a household name.

I am 44 and I remember being Brett Easton being all the rage of the literati white folk in the late 80s.
 
2014-02-28 04:25:58 PM  

skozlaw: You're not seriously going to argue that his popularity is the result of anything but the American Psycho film though, are you? I don't think it's the least bit fair to say this guy wouldn't even reach Dean Koontz levels of notability if not for 1) the film and 2) Bale's performance getting critics' attention.

There are lots of niche authors out there who make a modest living selling their work. I think Ellis would have been lucky to be one of them if not for the movie, but what's really galling is that he acts like king shiat anyway. The guy's barely clinging to what little status he has because somebody else managed to adapt his atrocious pile of crap into a decent movie and now he acts like he's the best thing ever whenever he gets chance.

Of course, maybe that's why he's always being such a little biatch about everything. That constant reminder that the vast majority of his limited fame is the result of somebody else's effort in a medium he didn't even work in.


Wow.  What, did he bang your girlfriend (or boyfriend, you never know with him)?

I'm a fan of his and I barely even hear anything about his life. How do you know so much about him?

/I'm not sure if anyone on the Fark Entertainment tab knows, but you are allowed to ignore famous people that you hate.
 
2014-02-28 06:05:54 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: If only someone had done this before.

/that movie was awesome and creepy


Unfortunately it nearly ruined Steve Railsback's career. From what I understand, he was so good in it, no one would hire him.
 
2014-02-28 06:15:32 PM  
I watched Lords of Salem last night, my first RZ flick. I expected his wife to be awful, and she was. I was not expecting the whole film to be such an amateurish, terrible piece of crap, though.
 
2014-02-28 08:08:40 PM  

Obscure Login: Wow. What, did he bang your girlfriend (or boyfriend, you never know with him)?


PooperMcSlides: Clean the poop out of your pants and move on


Compelling arguments that match up perfectly against the sort of juvenile, low-quality pap that Ellis produces.

theflatline: Except for a book that he wrote in high school was made into a major motion picture before Christian Bale was even a household name.


You're talking about Less than Zero. And it wasn't very successful until Ellis' post-AS rise to prominence. Almost nobody even liked the film - including Ellis - until after American Psycho became a success.
 
2014-02-28 08:30:36 PM  

skozlaw: Obscure Login: Wow. What, did he bang your girlfriend (or boyfriend, you never know with him)?

PooperMcSlides: Clean the poop out of your pants and move on

Compelling arguments that match up perfectly against the sort of juvenile, low-quality pap that Ellis produces.

theflatline: Except for a book that he wrote in high school was made into a major motion picture before Christian Bale was even a household name.

You're talking about Less than Zero. And it wasn't very successful until Ellis' post-AS rise to prominence. Almost nobody even liked the film - including Ellis - until after American Psycho became a success.


Well, I guess you were not a teen in the 1980s because the movie had

1.Jamie Gertz
2.James Spader
3. Robert Downey
4. Andrew McCarthy

Who were all big draws then.  I was 17 and saw it in the theater with a group of about ten friends, we had all read the book.  The movie and the book were like a big come to jesus meeting for us and our lifestyles.

The soundtrack was played in clubs non stop and at home and in cars.  And this was in New Orleans.

So the movie cost 8 million to make, and between rentals and the cinema took in around 17 million. While not blockbuster proportions, still all in all pretty good for a teen author.

Not to mention a gold record soundtrack.

Now the movie had really little to do with the book, as it was whitewashed for the public.

The book was released when he was 21 but written while he was a teen.  When released debuted at 13 on the NYC Best Sellers list.  Sold 50k in its first year.

I am not a fan, but the book was extremely good and it made it easy for him to to get into the "biz".

Remember, this was all before American Psycho.   But yet you claim he was not on the map before American Psycho.
 
2014-02-28 09:00:10 PM  
House of 1000 Corpses was a solid bit of horror, The Devil's Rejects was the best American horror film of the 2000s, and then everything else he's made since has sucked major.
 
2014-02-28 09:37:23 PM  

skozlaw: Obscure Login: Wow. What, did he bang your girlfriend (or boyfriend, you never know with him)?

PooperMcSlides: Clean the poop out of your pants and move on

Compelling arguments that match up perfectly against the sort of juvenile, low-quality pap that Ellis produces.

theflatline: Except for a book that he wrote in high school was made into a major motion picture before Christian Bale was even a household name.

You're talking about Less than Zero. And it wasn't very successful until Ellis' post-AS rise to prominence. Almost nobody even liked the film - including Ellis - until after American Psycho became a success.


Nice try, at this point people aren't trying to provide rational arguments irrational hatred of Ellis' writing. Once more, he is a dick, nobody is defending him personally but honestly, it's hilarious that you have so much hate for someone that I can only assume has no significant impact on yours or 99.9% of the populations life.  "Oh, people can come up with  statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that."
 
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