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2014-02-28 03:47:31 AM  

cynicalminion: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071877/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

"there is a uniform, there must have been a man in it..."

cheers to anthony perkins
lauren bacall
wendy hiller
albert finney
sean connery
michael york
john gielgud
ingrid bergman
jaqueline bissette
vanessa redgrave
martin balsam
richard widmark


Holy shiat. Thanks to you, I just learned that Lauren Bacall is not only still alive, but still acting.
 
2014-02-28 03:50:57 AM  
The west did nothing in the partition of Georgia.  What makes anyone think that the west will do anything if a few regions are plucked from Ukraine? Who is going to oppose Russia?  Germany, France, Poland, UK? They may have some soldiers but they are mostly reliant on heavy support from the US in many key areas such as logistics, intelligence, and supplying the advanced weapons in useful quantities.  So even if there was the will by several of these countries to act, they lack the means to effectively do so unless the US goes along with it and there is almost zero US interest in applying anything beyond moral support to Ukraine.  I suspect the same with the rest of the NATO countries that, while they may talk a good game, when the rubber meets the road, no one wants to risk a shooting war over the Ukraine with Russia.
 
2014-02-28 03:51:13 AM  

Boojum2k: Boojum2k: If the Ukraine can get its shiat together fast enough, they can petition for EU or even NATO membership. Russia would get noisy about it, but they'd be in a bind then

Ukraine, I mean, not "the" Ukraine.


That has always bugged me. The extra "the" that always used to be used with Ukraine is a way to denote that it is a region and not a country, like is done in Russian. When using prepositions of place in Russian, "v" translates to in, and "na" translates to on. So for every country in the world, you use v...except for Ukraine. Since the origins of the word Ukraine come from the slavic word for "edge", you are essentially saying that you are on the edge (of Russia). So the continued use of "the" with Ukraine in English just plays into the Russian mentality that it is part of Russia.
 
2014-02-28 03:51:34 AM  
Flights canceled
Guess operating normally was a bit off.

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26380336
 
2014-02-28 03:55:56 AM  
well shiat
 
2014-02-28 03:56:48 AM  

jchuffyman: Boojum2k: Boojum2k: If the Ukraine can get its shiat together fast enough, they can petition for EU or even NATO membership. Russia would get noisy about it, but they'd be in a bind then

Ukraine, I mean, not "the" Ukraine.

That has always bugged me. The extra "the" that always used to be used with Ukraine is a way to denote that it is a region and not a country, like is done in Russian. When using prepositions of place in Russian, "v" translates to in, and "na" translates to on. So for every country in the world, you use v...except for Ukraine. Since the origins of the word Ukraine come from the slavic word for "edge", you are essentially saying that you are on the edge (of Russia). So the continued use of "the" with Ukraine in English just plays into the Russian mentality that it is part of Russia.


Sounds better as the Ukraine though. The Yukon does too.
 
2014-02-28 03:57:02 AM  

jchuffyman: Boojum2k: Boojum2k: If the Ukraine can get its shiat together fast enough, they can petition for EU or even NATO membership. Russia would get noisy about it, but they'd be in a bind then

Ukraine, I mean, not "the" Ukraine.

That has always bugged me. The extra "the" that always used to be used with Ukraine is a way to denote that it is a region and not a country, like is done in Russian. When using prepositions of place in Russian, "v" translates to in, and "na" translates to on. So for every country in the world, you use v...except for Ukraine. Since the origins of the word Ukraine come from the slavic word for "edge", you are essentially saying that you are on the edge (of Russia). So the continued use of "the" with Ukraine in English just plays into the Russian mentality that it is part of Russia.


Tell it to the Netherlands, New England and West Virginia.
 
2014-02-28 03:58:47 AM  

RINO: lumiere: From Twitter:
Moscow Interfax admits forces occupying Sebastopol airport are Russian military deployed "to prevent the arrival of some militants."

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/439312010845495296

If that's actually true and not just an excuse, that is very interesting.


You know what Mark Twain said: "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."  Especially when it involves Russia.

White_Scarf_Syndrome: lumiere: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Resident gun nut here.

Is it just me or are every single one of those AK-74's (yes 74) being carried with no magazine in the rifle?

Someone on Twitter said one of the armed men looked like he was carrying an AK-103.

https://twitter.com/alessaprentice/status/439309361593462784

I was not aware that rifle existed.  So, they replaced the AK47 with a smaller more accurate caliber in the AK74, only to put out a new rifle based on the 74 that's in the OLD caliber of the 47 but not actually a 47.

The More You Knooooowww!!!


You know us Texans, if we can't recognize a gun, we'll find one who can.

cynicalminion: violentsalvation: And there is nothing the west can do.

[img.fark.net image 565x348]


Not to detract from the topic at hand, but, I'll throw another monkey wrench in the works:

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-28 03:58:57 AM  
The Ohio state University
 
2014-02-28 04:03:35 AM  

HotWingAgenda: jchuffyman: Boojum2k: Boojum2k: If the Ukraine can get its shiat together fast enough, they can petition for EU or even NATO membership. Russia would get noisy about it, but they'd be in a bind then

Ukraine, I mean, not "the" Ukraine.

That has always bugged me. The extra "the" that always used to be used with Ukraine is a way to denote that it is a region and not a country, like is done in Russian. When using prepositions of place in Russian, "v" translates to in, and "na" translates to on. So for every country in the world, you use v...except for Ukraine. Since the origins of the word Ukraine come from the slavic word for "edge", you are essentially saying that you are on the edge (of Russia). So the continued use of "the" with Ukraine in English just plays into the Russian mentality that it is part of Russia.

Tell it to the Netherlands, New England and West Virginia.


The Netherlands has made the "the" an official part of its name (also strange that they have one the few cities in the world with an article in its name as well). That is different in that as far as I know, the officially supported English translation of the country name is simply Ukraine without an article. As Slavic languages generally lack articles, the preposition thing is how they make the difference, and it serves the same purpose with this..
 
2014-02-28 04:04:11 AM  
Oh, goddamnit.
 
2014-02-28 04:04:20 AM  

cynicalminion: violentsalvation: And there is nothing the west can do.

[img.fark.net image 565x348]


Small error: the bracket for "the West" needs to encompass both Western Europe and all of the Americas. The concept of East and West is based on projecting the Mediterranean as the center of the world.
 
2014-02-28 04:04:59 AM  
Tom Clancy is jerking off in his grave.
 
2014-02-28 04:09:04 AM  

HotWingAgenda: cynicalminion: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071877/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

"there is a uniform, there must have been a man in it..."

cheers to anthony perkins
lauren bacall
wendy hiller
albert finney
sean connery
michael york
john gielgud
ingrid bergman
jaqueline bissette
vanessa redgrave
martin balsam
richard widmark

Holy shiat. Thanks to you, I just learned that Lauren Bacall is not only still alive, but still acting.


do you know how to whistle?
 
2014-02-28 04:10:26 AM  
Russian missle boat now reportedly blocking entrance to balaclava bay
 
2014-02-28 04:11:35 AM  

Rev.Killjoy: Russian missle boat now reportedly blocking entrance to balaclava bay


Link?
 
2014-02-28 04:13:00 AM  

Kittypie070: well shiat


"please madame, if you must go woof-woof, go woof-woof not to windward but to leeward, help her pierre..."
 
2014-02-28 04:13:22 AM  
Im going off bbc feed

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26380336

Moving fast
 
2014-02-28 04:14:44 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: violentsalvation: And there is nothing the west can do.

World War III is a thing


The Crimean War was a thing too. We're setting the stage for WWI all over again.
 
2014-02-28 04:17:19 AM  

Rev.Killjoy: Russian missle boat now reportedly blocking entrance to balaclava bay


www.bestmastersprograms.org

 
2014-02-28 04:17:58 AM  
From the article:
"Russia, along with the US, UK and France, pledged to uphold the territorial integrity of Ukraine in a memorandum signed in 1994."
Wonder if anyone is waving that piece of paper at the populace of the Ukraine saying "We will have peace in our time."
 
2014-02-28 04:18:26 AM  

lumiere: RINO: lumiere: From Twitter:
Moscow Interfax admits forces occupying Sebastopol airport are Russian military deployed "to prevent the arrival of some militants."

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/439312010845495296

If that's actually true and not just an excuse, that is very interesting.

You know what Mark Twain said: "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."  Especially when it involves Russia.

White_Scarf_Syndrome: lumiere: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Resident gun nut here.

Is it just me or are every single one of those AK-74's (yes 74) being carried with no magazine in the rifle?

Someone on Twitter said one of the armed men looked like he was carrying an AK-103.

https://twitter.com/alessaprentice/status/439309361593462784

I was not aware that rifle existed.  So, they replaced the AK47 with a smaller more accurate caliber in the AK74, only to put out a new rifle based on the 74 that's in the OLD caliber of the 47 but not actually a 47.

The More You Knooooowww!!!

You know us Texans, if we can't recognize a gun, we'll find one who can.

cynicalminion: violentsalvation: And there is nothing the west can do.

[img.fark.net image 565x348]

Not to detract from the topic at hand, but, I'll throw another monkey wrench in the works:


Why is that Saudi drinking whisky?
 
2014-02-28 04:21:20 AM  

HotWingAgenda: cynicalminion: violentsalvation: And there is nothing the west can do.

[img.fark.net image 565x348]

Small error: the bracket for "the West" needs to encompass both Western Europe and all of the Americas. The concept of East and West is based on projecting the Mediterranean as the center of the world.


um, no.  from the midwest, "east" is over there where sun comes up and history comes from. sometimes with biblical hate.  "west" is where cool things happen like sunsets and oommmnomnomnomincensestuff

ohh. definitely down with the patron saint of hibachi scallops.  so your small error can get bracketed.
 
2014-02-28 04:21:28 AM  
Cliffnotes bro style

Ukraine: dood Russia.. why you at our party bro?

Russia: uhh those guys aren't with us. Probably followed someone else in.

Ukraine: d00d.. isnt that your boat?

Russia: bro swear. We totally didnt invite those doods.
 
2014-02-28 04:30:49 AM  

cynicalminion: Kittypie070: well shiat

"please madame, if you must go woof-woof, go woof-woof not to windward but to leeward, help her pierre..."


Well if it's that kinda party I may as well take a steaming dump in Pooty's bowl of taters.
 
2014-02-28 04:35:31 AM  
ransack.: [redacted]

Why is that Saudi drinking whisky?

Why do you assume he is Saudi?
 
2014-02-28 04:36:32 AM  


upload.wikimedia.orgupload.wikimedia.org
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2014-02-28 04:38:44 AM  

Rev.Killjoy: Cliffnotes bro style

Ukraine: dood Russia.. why you at our party bro?

Russia: uhh those guys aren't with us. Probably followed someone else in.

Ukraine: d00d.. isnt that your boat?

Russia: bro swear. We totally didnt invite those doods.


Go on...
 
2014-02-28 04:41:30 AM  

lumiere: ransack.: [redacted]

Why is that Saudi drinking whisky?

Why do you assume he is Saudi?


I'm not particularly on the ball and I don't consider myself bigoted or prejudiced, and I admit a level of ignorance and a willingness to be educated, and I hope nobody attacks me for this, but it's because every time I see a rich Saudi on TV or the internet, they always wear bright white head to toe with a headband like the guy in the cartoon, and most importantly, no moustache. Saudi Arabians have Amish-like beards that frame their face but they seem to never have moustaches. If I had to list groups of people who wear beards and not moustaches, I would say married Amish men, Saudi Arabian oligarchy, and then I would have to think about it for a while for any further examples.
 
2014-02-28 04:53:32 AM  
Russia's just trying to remind Ukraine what it could do. It doesn't want an anti-Russian government revoking its leases in Sevastopol, so it's asserting that it could just take the whole Peninsula if it really wanted to. Obviously, of course, it couldn't. The Tatars wouldn't allow it, and the Russians don't do that well in hostile occupations, not to mention the international consequences. Russia likes to play tough enough to get what it wants, but it doesn't step over lines that could hurt it economically or its leaders financially.

Ukraine will gain control over Crimea again before long, but Russia will push for a unity government to ensure its interests are looked after and it will likely seek concessions from Ukraine, such as continued favorable trade agreements and an agreement not to seek further integration with the EU and continuing to abstain from NATO.
 
2014-02-28 04:55:05 AM  

NobleHam: Russia's just trying to remind Ukraine what it could do. It doesn't want an anti-Russian government revoking its leases in Sevastopol, so it's asserting that it could just take the whole Peninsula if it really wanted to. Obviously, of course, it couldn't. The Tatars wouldn't allow it, and the Russians don't do that well in hostile occupations, not to mention the international consequences. Russia likes to play tough enough to get what it wants, but it doesn't step over lines that could hurt it economically or its leaders financially.

Ukraine will gain control over Crimea again before long, but Russia will push for a unity government to ensure its interests are looked after and it will likely seek concessions from Ukraine, such as continued favorable trade agreements and an agreement not to seek further integration with the EU and continuing to abstain from NATO.


Nothing that's been happening so far supports that view.  Russia sees a chance to move in to the Crimea and by all indications they're taking it.
 
2014-02-28 04:55:27 AM  

ransack.: lumiere: RINO: lumiere: From Twitter:
Moscow Interfax admits forces occupying Sebastopol airport are Russian military deployed "to prevent the arrival of some militants."

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/439312010845495296

If that's actually true and not just an excuse, that is very interesting.

You know what Mark Twain said: "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."  Especially when it involves Russia.

White_Scarf_Syndrome: lumiere: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Resident gun nut here.

Is it just me or are every single one of those AK-74's (yes 74) being carried with no magazine in the rifle?

Someone on Twitter said one of the armed men looked like he was carrying an AK-103.

https://twitter.com/alessaprentice/status/439309361593462784

I was not aware that rifle existed.  So, they replaced the AK47 with a smaller more accurate caliber in the AK74, only to put out a new rifle based on the 74 that's in the OLD caliber of the 47 but not actually a 47.

The More You Knooooowww!!!

You know us Texans, if we can't recognize a gun, we'll find one who can.

cynicalminion: violentsalvation: And there is nothing the west can do.

[img.fark.net image 565x348]

Not to detract from the topic at hand, but, I'll throw another monkey wrench in the works:

Why is that Saudi drinking whisky?


He's got Affluenza, he can't help it.
 
2014-02-28 04:59:10 AM  

Ishkur: He totally waited until the Olympics was over to do this, too.

That's totally hilarious.


Of course he did...However, the real funny thing is that it probably cost him Ukraine. Had the Olympics been somewhere else or not happening, he would have been able to send forces in to break up the protests and prop up the Ukraine President. Hell, had it been outside of Russia, he could have gone in strong and let the Olympics divert some of the attention.

 But with all the international attention, he didn't want "his" games to become about the Ukraine.
 
2014-02-28 05:00:01 AM  

Fail in Human Form: Nothing that's been happening so far supports that view. Russia sees a chance to move in to the Crimea and by all indications they're taking it.


Nothing supports that view either. Why not just take the Crimea if that's their goal? Or at least openly declare that Russian forces will secure Crimean ports until stability is reached? This isn't permanent and it's not meant to be, because Russia knows they can't take Crimea. They want things back to the way they were six months ago, not a new unstable conflict in the region. They'll use what leverage and threats they have to get back to that position of being a favored, dominant power in Ukraine, but they won't risk armed conflict or sanctions over a new province they could do without. This isn't Abkhazia, it's farking Crimea. They can't have it.
 
2014-02-28 05:02:26 AM  
FTA: "I'm with the People's Militia of Crimea. We're simple people, volunteers," he said.

At least they're not from the Judean People's Front .... those wankers...
 
2014-02-28 05:04:20 AM  

NobleHam: Fail in Human Form: Nothing that's been happening so far supports that view. Russia sees a chance to move in to the Crimea and by all indications they're taking it.

Nothing supports that view either. Why not just take the Crimea if that's their goal? Or at least openly declare that Russian forces will secure Crimean ports until stability is reached? This isn't permanent and it's not meant to be, because Russia knows they can't take Crimea. They want things back to the way they were six months ago, not a new unstable conflict in the region. They'll use what leverage and threats they have to get back to that position of being a favored, dominant power in Ukraine, but they won't risk armed conflict or sanctions over a new province they could do without. This isn't Abkhazia, it's farking Crimea. They can't have it.


They ARE taking it and doing so in a very calculated way.  Look into what they did in Afghanistan.  It's the same playbook.  By doing it this way they can essentially seize the area before they "officially" move in troops on a "humanitarian mission."
 
2014-02-28 05:06:01 AM  
Isn't it kind of a bad idea to piss off Tatars!?
 
2014-02-28 05:09:20 AM  

Kittypie070: Isn't it kind of a bad idea to piss off Tatars!?


I would guess that they're necessary from Russia's POV.  Seize the airports, the sea ports, the parliament, setup roving military patrols, and setup checkpoints on the roads leaving the region.  All of which have been done.  Then when they get attacked use it as a pretense to be "invited" in by the pro Russian groups to deal with the terrorists.  Look at what happened in Georgia.
 
2014-02-28 05:13:38 AM  

Public Savant: FTA: "I'm with the People's Militia of Crimea. We're simple people, volunteers," he said.

At least they're not from the Judean People's Front .... those wankers...


"Simple people, volunteers, the common clay of the new East...."
 
2014-02-28 05:16:35 AM  
NobleHam: ....

From the BBC to give more support for my assertion.

10:11:
Ukraine's interim President, Olexander Turchynov, has accused Russia of aggravating the crisis. He told parliament in Kiev: "Unfortunately... the armed forces of the Russian Federation are becoming directly involved in the escalation of this conflict and... are moving around the Autonomous Republic of Crimea with arms in areas which were not agreed with Ukraine."
 
2014-02-28 05:17:58 AM  

ransack.: Rev.Killjoy: Russian missle boat now reportedly blocking entrance to balaclava bay

[www.bestmastersprograms.org image 500x340]


img.fark.net

i just wanted to be the one with the plan for once...
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-28 05:19:40 AM  

Kittypie070: Isn't it kind of a bad idea to piss off Tatars!?


no i think pissing ON something is step one for "something" tatar recipes...
 
2014-02-28 05:22:20 AM  

cynicalminion: Kittypie070: Isn't it kind of a bad idea to piss off Tatars!?

no i think pissing ON something is step one for "something" tatar recipes...


although, i could be wrong, by that reasoning, "szechuan" is engrish for rinzy rohan... with a side of right lice...
 
2014-02-28 05:27:17 AM  
...urm...
 
2014-02-28 05:28:21 AM  

Kittypie070: cynicalminion: Kittypie070: well shiat

"please madame, if you must go woof-woof, go woof-woof not to windward but to leeward, help her pierre..."

Well if it's that kinda party I may as well take a steaming dump in Pooty's bowl of taters.


i was not aware i was keeping my hands ON miss debonham, but if you think the princess dragomirov's puppies don't need their NEW potatoes while she has her POACHED sole (her soul's already jerky, don't try it) then we'll all be stuck listening to the farking good ship lollipop again. CURSE YOU SHIRLEY TEMPLE HARLOT!
 
2014-02-28 05:28:46 AM  

Kittypie070: Isn't it kind of a bad idea to piss off Tatars!?


The tatars ARE pissed off

Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR  1m
#Kyiv reaction on #Crimea situation is too soft - representative of Crimean Tatars in Kyiv Suleyman Mamutov. @radiosvoboda |PR News
 
2014-02-28 05:31:57 AM  

Kittypie070: ...urm...


oh, please... no horking on the carpet, imelda just vacuumed... there's a teabag waiting for your contribution off to the right, no need to encourage the help to beg for tips... after all, what WOULD the neighbors think...
 
2014-02-28 05:40:12 AM  

ransack.: lumiere: ransack.: [redacted]

Why is that Saudi drinking whisky?

Why do you assume he is Saudi?

I'm not particularly on the ball and I don't consider myself bigoted or prejudiced, and I admit a level of ignorance and a willingness to be educated, and I hope nobody attacks me for this, but it's because every time I see a rich Saudi on TV or the internet, they always wear bright white head to toe with a headband like the guy in the cartoon, and most importantly, no moustache. Saudi Arabians have Amish-like beards that frame their face but they seem to never have moustaches. If I had to list groups of people who wear beards and not moustaches, I would say married Amish men, Saudi Arabian oligarchy, and then I would have to think about it for a while for any further examples.


I did not mean to imply any prejudice or bigotry on your end. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised by your reply. You may very well be right, the cartoon guy could be Saudi based on the attire.  But he could also be from anywhere else on the Arabian peninsula (where drinking is more or less accepted).

Going back to Saudi facial hair, the last six Saudi kings have all had moustaches. The current king, Abdullah, has a distinct one:

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

The Amish look you describe among Saudis may more likely be attributed to the extremist religious leaders. They tend to frame their face exactly as you mentioned. I'd post a picture but those are some ugly Luddites. And I'm allowed to say so because the Islam they preach and the sheer bullshiat they spread makes my skin crawl.

As far as drinking is concerned, it may not be allowed in Saudi Arabia, but it still happens, especially among the wealthy. And for the not so wealthy, a bottle of good whiskey is just a friend with diplomatic immunity plus a bridge away (Bahrain allows alcohol and the causeway between the two is 16 miles long).

Hope that helps.

/I speak from firsthand experience
 
2014-02-28 05:45:48 AM  
 
2014-02-28 05:49:26 AM  

Fail in Human Form: NobleHam: Fail in Human Form: Nothing that's been happening so far supports that view. Russia sees a chance to move in to the Crimea and by all indications they're taking it.

Nothing supports that view either. Why not just take the Crimea if that's their goal? Or at least openly declare that Russian forces will secure Crimean ports until stability is reached? This isn't permanent and it's not meant to be, because Russia knows they can't take Crimea. They want things back to the way they were six months ago, not a new unstable conflict in the region. They'll use what leverage and threats they have to get back to that position of being a favored, dominant power in Ukraine, but they won't risk armed conflict or sanctions over a new province they could do without. This isn't Abkhazia, it's farking Crimea. They can't have it.

They ARE taking it and doing so in a very calculated way.  Look into what they did in Afghanistan.  It's the same playbook.  By doing it this way they can essentially seize the area before they "officially" move in troops on a "humanitarian mission."


No, what they're doing is establishing their power and threat. Their goal is probably to restore Yanukovych to power, or if not to get someone equally favorable to them put in his place. They have repeatedly shown a strong interest in opposing uprisings and revolutions as a means of regime change. Their goal isn't to take Crimea, it's to put enough pressure on Ukraine that they bend to Russia's will. They aren't asserting a claim to Crimean territory, they aren't controlling anything but entry and exit points (and maybe the parliament, there's as yet no evidence they're directly involved in that though), they're just flexing their muscles. They're not stupid enough to incite what would likely be a very bloody civil war or to so directly oppose Western interests as to actually forcibly seize Ukrainian sovereign territory which they have been obliged by treaty for sixty years to respect. The very worst case scenario here is that, like with the Georgian provinces, they withdraw but Ukraine tacitly acknowledges greater autonomy for Crimea, and/or Yanukovych or someone similarly aligned regains power.
 
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