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(World Review)   China joins the US, South Korea and Australia as they circle the Antarctic like vultures, waiting for the resource-rich region to open for business. This final frontier is where the last major battle for the environment will take place   (worldreview.info) divider line 42
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2014-02-28 09:55:39 AM
What is this, an Arctic for ANTS?
 
2014-02-28 09:57:01 AM
A wise man once told me: Nick, don't shiat in your own lunch box."
 
2014-02-28 10:01:52 AM
When the worlds natural resources have all been claimed ./ used up, that is when the clone wars will begin. Mark my words. The next world war will be fighting over the last gasp of a planet giving up its final barrels of oil.
 
2014-02-28 10:06:01 AM
The environment lost centuries ago. We can minimize our impact to some extent so that we're not all breathing smog like Beijing but trying to stop climate change is futile.
 
2014-02-28 10:07:17 AM
How did Worst Korea get on this list? They're nowhere near the South Pole.
 
2014-02-28 10:07:52 AM
If anyone thinks that anyone other than big business and national interests will win out is a delusional fool.
 
2014-02-28 10:09:35 AM
No, I have it on good authority that the last major battle for resources happens here:

bmfcast.com
 
2014-02-28 10:10:39 AM
Human beings. They're just unnatural!
 
2014-02-28 10:11:01 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The environment lost centuries ago. We can minimize our impact to some extent so that we're not all breathing smog like Beijing but trying to stop climate change is futile.


This.

Unless China and India de-industrialize immediately we're all farked
 
2014-02-28 10:12:03 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: When the worlds natural resources have all been claimed ./ used up, that is when the clone wars will begin. Mark my words. The next world war will be fighting over the last gasp of a planet giving up its final barrels of oil.


Which will lead to the next world war, fought over resource abundant asteroids.

/the cosmic ballet goes on
 
2014-02-28 10:12:15 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: When the worlds natural resources have all been claimed ./ used up, that is when the clone wars will begin. Mark my words. The next world war will be fighting over the last gasp of a planet giving up its final barrels of oil. fresh water




Fixed.
 
2014-02-28 10:13:42 AM
Big Oil: "Climate change is a hoax! It's a liberal conspiracy! There are NO downsides to burning fossil fuels! In fact, the world is actually getting colder! There is no proof that climate change exists! Now grant my permit so that I can extract raw materials from a part of the world that has been inaccessible for all of modern human history because it was under ice, but is now becoming available due to global warming. Which doesn't exist."
 
2014-02-28 10:13:49 AM
Hopefully resource seeking in the Final Frontier will hopefully lead to an incident leading to a seeking of global peace time soon to be known as the Undiscovered Country.
 
2014-02-28 10:14:17 AM
I was repairing a van in China (long story) and noticed that the oil seemed to have never been changed.  I mentioned this to my fellow American and he said, "Quiet!  Once these people discover oil changes and electric clothes dryers, it's all over."
 
2014-02-28 10:14:36 AM
Final frontier... battle for the environment.

Subby is so dramatic.
 
2014-02-28 10:21:40 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The environment lost centuries ago


Is it any surprise, when this guy is in charge of it's fleet?

earthfirstjournal.org
 
2014-02-28 10:31:47 AM
Oh shiat, someone fetch my fainting couch, stat!
 
2014-02-28 10:35:11 AM

Infernalist: If anyone thinks that anyone other than big business and national interests will win out is a delusional fool.


As you tap out random thoughts on a box filled with plastic, silicon, copper, molybdenum, iron, gold, cadmium, palladium, lead, beryllium, tin, cobalt, nickle, cerium, antimony, platinum, zinc, lanthanum, and silver which requires power from coal, uranium, natural gas . . . ; which generation requires. . . . .


Yep, your self-interest and choice of lifestyle has nothing to do with these decisions.
 
2014-02-28 10:39:40 AM

HeadLever: Infernalist: If anyone thinks that anyone other than big business and national interests will win out is a delusional fool.

As you tap out random thoughts on a box filled with plastic, silicon, copper, molybdenum, iron, gold, cadmium, palladium, lead, beryllium, tin, cobalt, nickle, cerium, antimony, platinum, zinc, lanthanum, and silver which requires power from coal, uranium, natural gas . . . ; which generation requires. . . . .


Yep, your self-interest and choice of lifestyle has nothing to do with these decisions.


Therefore we should never try to mitigate anything.  Both sides are bad, so vote raping the environment.
 
2014-02-28 10:39:53 AM
Aslo, if subby is so sad about getting natural resources from foreign sources, does that mean that he advocates for us getting our natural resources from domestic sources?  If so, we have a long ways to go:

www.usgs.gov
 
2014-02-28 10:40:46 AM

Nick Nostril: A wise man once told me: Nick, don't shiat in your own lunch box."


Busybody principals -- don'tcha just hate 'em?  I'm sure you don't tell HIM what to do over lunch.
 
2014-02-28 10:42:53 AM

Shakin_Haitian: Therefore we should never try to mitigate anything.  Both sides are bad, so vote raping the environment.


Mitigate as much as you can.  The problem is that pushing production to foreign sources means that you have no ability to mitigate anything according to your standards.  Look at how many of these natural resources in that USGS commodity summary above comes from counties like China and Russia where the environmental and labor safeguards are laughable.
 
2014-02-28 10:44:53 AM

Nick Nostril: A wise man once told me: Nick, don't shiat in your own lunch box."


You actually had to be told?
 
2014-02-28 10:46:59 AM

HeadLever: Aslo, if subby is so sad about getting natural resources from foreign sources, does that mean that he advocates for us getting our natural resources from domestic sources?  If so, we have a long ways to go:


Not in my backyard, silly!

/if you dont cut your consumption of stuff, i will pout!
 
2014-02-28 10:48:07 AM
Came for a Robotjox / MechWarrior reference...

/etc, etc...
 
2014-02-28 10:48:43 AM
Meh, the hippies in the US will make sure we end up sucking hind tit on this one
 
2014-02-28 10:54:37 AM

legion_of_doo: Not in my backyard, silly!


Yep, We want the natural resources, but we just don't want to actually mine them where I can ever see it.  We'll let the poor countries destroy their environment instead of doing it responsibly here but yet we will still feel better about ourselves and call ourselves "environmentalist".

However, don't think for a second that we won't complain about 'Big Business' and 'National Interest' when they do go overseas to engage in these activities.  It will never be because of 'me'.
 
2014-02-28 11:01:05 AM

Billygoat Gruff: Meh, the hippies in the US will make sure we end up sucking hind tit on this one


Meh, at least the hippies practice what they preach, for the most part.  The ones that make me facepalm are the enviros that own 4 cars and a few vacation homes or looks like this
thumbs.dreamstime.com
 
2014-02-28 11:21:22 AM

HeadLever: Shakin_Haitian: Therefore we should never try to mitigate anything.  Both sides are bad, so vote raping the environment.

Mitigate as much as you can.  The problem is that pushing production to foreign sources means that you have no ability to mitigate anything according to your standards.  Look at how many of these natural resources in that USGS commodity summary above comes from counties like China and Russia where the environmental and labor safeguards are laughable.


So we shouldn't even try to do anything about anything.
 
2014-02-28 11:24:42 AM

Shakin_Haitian: So we shouldn't even try to do anything about anything.


What kind of strawman is that?  Barley or wheat?
 
2014-02-28 11:27:06 AM

mod3072: Big Oil: "Climate change is a hoax! It's a liberal conspiracy! There are NO downsides to burning fossil fuels! In fact, the world is actually getting colder! There is no proof that climate change exists! Now grant my permit so that I can extract raw materials from a part of the world that has been inaccessible for all of modern human history because it was under ice, but is now becoming available due to global warming. Which doesn't exist."


HA! Here's a box of tissues for ya!
 
2014-02-28 11:44:46 AM

HeadLever: Shakin_Haitian: So we shouldn't even try to do anything about anything.

What kind of strawman is that?  Barley or wheat?


You might want to re-examine your definition of "strawman".  This isn't a made up argument point. The Fallacy of the Perfect is usually the first or second thing (after Slippery Slope) to show up in climate change threads, gun control threads, economy threads, etc. etc.  "Oh, there's nothing that will solve ALL the problem so we might as well not do [whatever will help]".

Nope, the only strawman I'll accept around here is this:

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-28 11:51:01 AM
The problem with climate change vis à vis environmental policy is that it spans several lifetimes. None of the farkholes drilling and fracking or legislating their expansion will live to see the consequences, so it's all about the party right now.
 
2014-02-28 11:53:44 AM
There's going to be some conflict, sure, but I think it's been legislated to death. No one is going to be able to run roughshod over it.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-28 11:54:11 AM

praxcelis: This isn't a made up argument point.


Yes it is.

Projecting that I am arguing that we should do nothing about anything is a made up argument that I in no way, advocate. Especially, since this should be apparent by my argument that we should "Mitigate as much as you can".  In case you did not know, mitigation is a tool used to offset a particular impact by an activity.  That, in of itself, is me advocating of doing something.

The Fallacy of the Perfect

Show me where I explicitly used that particular fallacy
 
2014-02-28 11:54:23 AM
Don't wowwy, the Chicoms will get it thanks to ouw gween and wiberal powicies.  Now back to dwinking hot cocoa in my jammies.
 
2014-02-28 12:10:19 PM

praxcelis: Oh, there's nothing that will solve ALL the problem so we might as well not do [whatever will help]".


That is a corruption of the nature of Natural Resource extraction and of basic environmental regulatory intent.  For all natural resource extraction activities, you are going to have some impacts on the environment.    Through environmental regulation, we have determined that there are some impacts that need to be mitigated, some impacts that cannot be allowed ever, and some impacts that can be allowed.  These are typically characterized in an Environmental Impact Statement.

Assuming that there is a blanket policy or course of action that assumes that we can either solve all problems or do nothing is not dealing in reality of what goes into this characterizations.
 
2014-02-28 12:15:31 PM
Relax treehuggers, once the US finds out there are no brown people there to bomb the shiat out of they'll lose interest.
 
2014-02-28 12:23:09 PM
But the people of Mars 01 are nuts.
 
2014-02-28 12:45:02 PM

Huggermugger: How did Worst Korea get on this list? They're nowhere near the South Pole.


Unlike the US and China, both of whom have Antarctica in their backyard.
 
2014-02-28 01:38:01 PM
The Antarctic has oil.  Lots of it.
 
2014-02-28 02:01:44 PM

HeadLever: Infernalist: If anyone thinks that anyone other than big business and national interests will win out is a delusional fool.

As you tap out random thoughts on a box filled with plastic, silicon, copper, molybdenum, iron, gold, cadmium, palladium, lead, beryllium, tin, cobalt, nickle, cerium, antimony, platinum, zinc, lanthanum, and silver which requires power from coal, uranium, natural gas . . . ; which generation requires. . . . .


Yep, your self-interest and choice of lifestyle has nothing to do with these decisions.


I hear ya. I wish more people who pretend to care would understand this. I agree that the attitude of "it's the fault of those evil people over there." is mainly convenient form of shirking any responsibility. Yes it is their fault, but equally our fault, and equally your fault. Yes you. Passing the buck under the guise of faux-caring too much is part of the problem.

You don't have to wait for new law from the evil government to tell you what yo do. You can pro-actively do them on your own. Switch to a vegetarian diet. Use a bike for any trips less than a few miles. Get a bike basket for groceries. Live in small multi-unit urban housing, instead of detached 5 bedroom single family homes in the suburbs. If you consume like you always have, and expect someone else to fix everything, then YOU are the problem. Yes, it's inconvenient and requires a lot of effort, which is why you don't do anything. And that's the same excuse the evil corporations use. Hmmm....

Also, if you feel that an evil corporation is a large part of the problem, then don't use their product or service. If enough people do that, then the problem gets solved whether the corporation cooperates or not. At the heart of it, commercial corporations only do what they do in response to dollars from little people like us. We are the base of the pyramid, and pointing at other people to absolve yourself from all blame makes you the problem.
 
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