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(IGN)   Terry Gilliam's "Watchmen" would have ended with a time travel plot twist transforming the surviving members into mere costumed yahoos who hang out at the Chinese Theatre. Dude, wait what?   (ign.com) divider line 83
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2014-02-27 11:53:09 PM
Isn't that the ending of "Big Man Japan"?
 
2014-02-28 12:21:32 AM
I got to read that script back in the day. It was very good but it was not  Watchmen. Snyder butchered the material by sticking to the material to closely.
 
2014-02-28 12:23:32 AM
I mean, I guess that's a satisfying story, but it isn't Watchmen. There are a few extremely memorable Watchmen moments, and one of those right at the top is the scene where Dr. Manhattan realizes that humanity is worth saving, and returns to Earth. Having God decide to kill himself sets a different tone than God realizing his faults and returning to us regardless.
 
2014-02-28 12:24:08 AM

fusillade762: Isn't that the ending of "Big Man Japan"?


Also the ending of  Blazing Saddles.
 
2014-02-28 12:32:33 AM
Terry Gilliam does not know how to end movies.  Starting with Monty Python & the Holy Grail through every movie of his I've ever watched.  The man doesn't know how to end a movie.
 
2014-02-28 12:35:50 AM

syrynxx: Terry Gilliam does not know how to end movies.  Starting with Monty Python & the Holy Grail through every movie of his I've ever watched.  The man doesn't know how to end a movie.


Time Bandits ended pretty well, but it scarred me for life as a child.
 
2014-02-28 12:36:09 AM

fusillade762: Isn't that the ending of "Big Man Japan"?


The "going back into the past and killing yourself to prevent the awful present" was used in Donnie Darko and The Butterfly Effect, too.
 
2014-02-28 12:44:36 AM

Mad_Radhu: syrynxx: Terry Gilliam does not know how to end movies.  Starting with Monty Python & the Holy Grail through every movie of his I've ever watched.  The man doesn't know how to end a movie.

Time Bandits ended pretty well, but it scarred me for life as a child.


Twelve Monkeys had a good ending.
 
2014-02-28 12:45:39 AM

floor: I got to read that script back in the day. It was very good but it was not  Watchmen. Snyder butchered the material by sticking to the material to closely.


How can you butcher the material by following it to closely?

Snyder did a good job, made a few minor changes that worked. A few that didn't.

It could be that Watchmen might not have been that good to begin with.
 
2014-02-28 12:47:57 AM

Mad_Radhu: syrynxx: Terry Gilliam does not know how to end movies.  Starting with Monty Python & the Holy Grail through every movie of his I've ever watched.  The man doesn't know how to end a movie.

Time Bandits ended pretty well, but it scarred me for life as a child.


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Concentrated evil.

i1072.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-28 12:48:14 AM
Watchmen was not a good date movie.
 
2014-02-28 12:51:51 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Mad_Radhu: syrynxx: Terry Gilliam does not know how to end movies.  Starting with Monty Python & the Holy Grail through every movie of his I've ever watched.  The man doesn't know how to end a movie.

Time Bandits ended pretty well, but it scarred me for life as a child.

Twelve Monkeys had a good ending.


Oh yeah, that was an excellent ending. Love that movie.
 
2014-02-28 12:52:54 AM

thesharkman: Watchmen was not a good date movie.


Neither was " A Serbian Film"

/just trust me.
 
2014-02-28 12:57:49 AM
Still no giant squid :(
 
2014-02-28 01:02:15 AM

Darth_Lukecash: floor: I got to read that script back in the day. It was very good but it was not  Watchmen. Snyder butchered the material by sticking to the material to closely.

How can you butcher the material by following it to closely?

Snyder did a good job, made a few minor changes that worked. A few that didn't.

It could be that Watchmen might not have been that good to begin with.


I never read the comic, but I enjoyed the movie.  I saw it for the first time on blu-ray as the extended director's cut though, from what I understand the theatrical release was cut down for time and several key scenes were removed.
 
2014-02-28 01:25:18 AM

Darth_Lukecash: floor: I got to read that script back in the day. It was very good but it was not  Watchmen. Snyder butchered the material by sticking to the material to closely.

How can you butcher the material by following it to closely?

Snyder did a good job, made a few minor changes that worked. A few that didn't.

It could be that Watchmen might not have been that good to begin with.


I think what killed Watchmen was that the heart of the story was Laurie, and the actress they got for her is just not someone who should be in serious roles (although she IS pretty good in comedy). Someone like Kate Winslet would have been better, not to mention that they could have just made the movie a Little Children reunion with her in it.
 
2014-02-28 01:25:32 AM
God damn that movie was terrible.

Didn't Gilliam do Erik the Viking?
 
2014-02-28 01:28:35 AM
Synder made as faithful an adaptation as could be expected.  The Extended Cut helps a lot (Hollis' final scene was wonderful).  I had some issues with some of the acting choices though.  Malin Akerman acted like she was in a high school play.  And I'm still not sure how Carla Gugino could absolutely nail the role of Young Sally and completely botch the role of Old Sally.  But whatever.  I got to cross "Saw An Actual Watchmen Movie on the Big Screen" off my bucket list and I got to listen to teenagers giggle about blue dongs.
 
2014-02-28 01:32:31 AM

Coelacanth: Still no giant squid :(


That part still bugs me. Blaming the explosions on Manhattan to bring the world's countries together to oppose him doesn't make any sense. How do you oppose someone who could simply dismantle the entire goddamn planet if he felt like it?

Though I understand the need for a narrative shortcut.
 
2014-02-28 01:33:17 AM

Mentat: Synder made as faithful an adaptation as could be expected.  The Extended Cut helps a lot (Hollis' final scene was wonderful).  I had some issues with some of the acting choices though.  Malin Akerman acted like she was in a high school play.  And I'm still not sure how Carla Gugino could absolutely nail the role of Young Sally and completely botch the role of Old Sally.  But whatever.  I got to cross "Saw An Actual Watchmen Movie on the Big Screen" off my bucket list and I got to listen to teenagers giggle about blue dongs.



I'm surprised the longer version of the battle scene in Vietnam wasn't shown in theaters...it was AWESOME.
 
2014-02-28 01:43:14 AM
the most entertaining part of Watchmen was seeing a character eat Chinese food and deciding I was going to have that for dinner.
 
2014-02-28 01:44:12 AM

syrynxx: Terry Gilliam does not know how to end movies.  Starting with Monty Python & the Holy Grail through every movie of his I've ever watched.  The man doesn't know how to end a movie.



So you are saying he is the Stephen King of film?
 
2014-02-28 01:50:00 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: God damn that movie was terrible.

Didn't Gilliam do Erik the Viking?


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You incomprehensible horizontal-eyed western trouser wearers. Eurgh! You all look the same to me.

Best Japanese Viking Slavedriver Ever
 
2014-02-28 02:03:39 AM
needed more midget thieves
 
2014-02-28 02:05:30 AM

Sgt Otter: fusillade762: Isn't that the ending of "Big Man Japan"?

The "going back into the past and killing yourself to prevent the awful present" was used in Donnie Darko and The Butterfly Effect, too.



The "putting aside your differences to fight a common foe" ending has also been done once or twice.

/ I read the miniseries when it originally came out but Watchmen just hasn't aged that well in general
 
2014-02-28 02:05:35 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: God damn that movie was terrible.

Didn't Gilliam do Erik the Viking?


I forgot to add, no that was Terry Jones, though it does have a Gilliam feel to it and Cleese is at his best.
 
2014-02-28 02:05:59 AM

Mad_Radhu: syrynxx: Terry Gilliam does not know how to end movies.  Starting with Monty Python & the Holy Grail through every movie of his I've ever watched.  The man doesn't know how to end a movie.

Time Bandits ended pretty well, but it scarred me for life as a child.


I still don't trust toasters.
 
2014-02-28 02:27:19 AM

sat1va: White_Scarf_Syndrome: God damn that movie was terrible.

Didn't Gilliam do Erik the Viking?

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You incomprehensible horizontal-eyed western trouser wearers. Eurgh! You all look the same to me.


Your big breasted women give me no pleasure!  And how they serve their fish cooked, Ugh!
 
2014-02-28 02:49:16 AM
Gilliam managed to end The Man Who Killed Don Quixote pretty decisively

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2014-02-28 03:12:33 AM

floor: I got to read that script back in the day. It was very good but it was not  Watchmen. Snyder butchered the material by sticking to the material to closely.


I liked it. It had its flaws, but was still very enjoyable.

Then again, I didn't think the book was as groundbreaking as folks liked to claim.

Besides, that movie had been in development for so long, it would have been impossible for it to have not been hated by fanboys.
 
2014-02-28 03:18:19 AM

Mentat: Synder made as faithful an adaptation as could be expected.  The Extended Cut helps a lot (Hollis' final scene was wonderful).  I had some issues with some of the acting choices though.  Malin Akerman acted like she was in a high school play.  And I'm still not sure how Carla Gugino could absolutely nail the role of Young Sally and completely botch the role of Old Sally.  But whatever.  I got to cross "Saw An Actual Watchmen Movie on the Big Screen" off my bucket list and I got to listen to teenagers giggle about blue dongs.


I haven't seen it yet, but I might check it out.

Has anyone seen The Ultimate Cut, with the animated "Tales of the Black Freighter" edited in?
 
2014-02-28 03:23:39 AM

stoli n coke: Then again, I didn't think the book was as groundbreaking as folks liked to claim.



Oh I'd argue that it was groundbreaking all right. So was Alan Moore's 'Miracleman' and Frank Miller's 'Dark Knight Returns.' Nobody had deconstructed the superhero myth before. Certainly not to that extent anyway. But the formula has been repeated and improved upon since then. The originals just don't have the same impact anymore.
 
2014-02-28 03:31:32 AM
I never got the hate for the Watchmen movie. I thought it was an absolutely fantastic adaption, better than any other director could have given us.

And personally, I thought the change they made to the end actually made more sense than the way the comic actually ended.
 
2014-02-28 03:32:22 AM

Smashed Hat: Nobody had deconstructed the superhero myth before.


Except Bill Willingham with "The Elementals." He just didn't do it through one of the Big Two.
 
2014-02-28 03:47:20 AM

Boojum2k: Smashed Hat: Nobody had deconstructed the superhero myth before.

Except Bill Willingham with "The Elementals." He just didn't do it through one of the Big Two.


Okay, that's true. I read Elementals at the time and liked it but it seemed like it took forever to go anywhere. Plus if I remember the issues didn't come out for months at a time, at least the early ones. I should go back and reread it.
 
2014-02-28 03:51:52 AM

Smashed Hat: Boojum2k: Smashed Hat: Nobody had deconstructed the superhero myth before.

Except Bill Willingham with "The Elementals." He just didn't do it through one of the Big Two.

Okay, that's true. I read Elementals at the time and liked it but it seemed like it took forever to go anywhere. Plus if I remember the issues didn't come out for months at a time, at least the early ones. I should go back and reread it.


I read it all the way up through the Oblivion War. I wish I still had my copies.

/Shapeshifter got exactly what was coming to "her" though. I remember that.
 
2014-02-28 05:43:30 AM
Look, he can be a brilliant writer/director. He can be funny . Terry Gilliam can be a lot of things.

But you always have to remember that most of the time he's a really weird dude. He has to be, otherwise his own movies would probably drive him nuts.
 
2014-02-28 06:06:52 AM

syrynxx: Terry Gilliam does not know how to end movies.  Starting with Monty Python & the Holy Grail through every movie of his I've ever watched.  The man doesn't know how to end a movie.


Oh come on.. how can you fault the ending of "Brazil"?

(the _real_ ending - not the stupid "love conquers all" version)
 
2014-02-28 06:17:32 AM
So... an unoriginal Donnie Darko ripoff culminating in "it was all just a dream".

Oh, yeah, that'd totally fix the issues with the movie completely.  I always thought there wasn't quite enough terrifyingly shiatty hack-work in it.
 
2014-02-28 06:29:22 AM
...Donnie Darko ripoff

5/10

/or are you 19 years old?
 
2014-02-28 06:30:30 AM

stuartp9: syrynxx: Terry Gilliam does not know how to end movies.  Starting with Monty Python & the Holy Grail through every movie of his I've ever watched.  The man doesn't know how to end a movie.

Oh come on.. how can you fault the ending of "Brazil"?

(the _real_ ending - not the stupid "love conquers all" version)

Brazil

being my favorite movie of all time, I nearly put my foot through the TV screen after sitting through "Love Conquers All".  What a turd.
 
2014-02-28 06:42:17 AM

Darth_Lukecash: floor: I got to read that script back in the day. It was very good but it was not  Watchmen. Snyder butchered the material by sticking to the material to closely.

How can you butcher the material by following it to closely?

Snyder did a good job, made a few minor changes that worked. A few that didn't.

It could be that Watchmen might not have been that good as a movie to begin with.


FTFY
 
2014-02-28 06:43:07 AM

Darth_Lukecash: floor: I got to read that script back in the day. It was very good but it was not  Watchmen. Snyder butchered the material by sticking to the material to closely.

How can you butcher the material by following it to closely?

Snyder did a good job, made a few minor changes that worked. A few that didn't.

It could be that Watchmen might not have been that good to begin with.


Ding!
 
2014-02-28 07:09:19 AM
My only issue I had with Watchmen was Rorschach's death.  From earlier in the movie we get the impression that he only cared of justice was done, even if it wasn't someone that he'd get credit for; this was mainly due to the scene of him feeding a criminal to the dogs.

So why not propose that they kill Ozymandias or do it himself?
 
2014-02-28 07:28:20 AM

fusillade762: Isn't that the ending of "Big Man Japan"?


and the entirety of Super?
 
2014-02-28 07:43:08 AM

mongbiohazard: I never got the hate for the Watchmen movie. I thought it was an absolutely fantastic adaption, better than any other director could have given us.
And personally, I thought the change they made to the end actually made more sense than the way the comic actually ended.


i feel the exact same way, i thought watchmen was fantastic and far better than i had dared hope it might be.  some of the acting was a bit dodgy at times, but i can hardly fault them for that.  and the ending is definitely better than the one in the comic, it was brilliant and made so much more sense.
 
2014-02-28 07:54:34 AM
It took me 5 or 6 attempts to get through the movie.  I kept falling asleep.

I never saw it start to finish, but I believe I've seen the whole thing.

/borrrrring
 
2014-02-28 08:20:18 AM

Darth_Lukecash: floor: I got to read that script back in the day. It was very good but it was not  Watchmen. Snyder butchered the material by sticking to the material to closely.

How can you butcher the material by following it to closely?

Snyder did a good job, made a few minor changes that worked. A few that didn't.

It could be that Watchmen might not have been that good to begin with.


I'm in the camp of "Watchmen was a decent movie and probably as good as a film treatment of the original material as you are going to get".

My biggest beef with Watchmen isn't the material itself, it's that everyone wanted it to be a Superhero movie, when it's really a murder-mystery story that just happens to involve people who dress up and fight crime. Which is pretty hard marketing job.

//well, except the part that Snyder added where during the prison riot, Night Owl and the-girl-whose-name-I-forget take down a bunch of prisoners in slow motion. I much preferred the book version where they are just walking around in the aftermath
 
2014-02-28 08:39:31 AM
transforming the surviving members into mere costumed yahoos who hang out at the Chinese Theatre

...where they're watching The Watchmen.
 
2014-02-28 08:40:59 AM

syrynxx: Terry Gilliam does not know how to end movies.  Starting with Monty Python & the Holy Grail through every movie of his I've ever watched.  The man doesn't know how to end a movie.


Sorry, but happy endings are *not* guaranteed.
 
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