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2014-02-28 12:23:46 AM  
Look, Crispin, I'm cool with you thinking material wealth shouldn't be the end goal of a story. I get that. Spider-Man never got rich saving New York.

But if money shouldn't be the impetus for action, could you explain what the  fark you were doing in that "Charlie's Angels" movie?
 
2014-02-28 12:36:16 AM  

GreenAdder: Look, Crispin, I'm cool with you thinking material wealth shouldn't be the end goal of a story. I get that. Spider-Man never got rich saving New York.

But if money shouldn't be the impetus for action, could you explain what the  fark you were doing in that "Charlie's Angels" movie?


Isn't it fairly well known that he refused to be in Back to the Future II after finding out how much more Michael J. Fox was getting paid?
 
2014-02-28 12:41:56 AM  

Confabulat: Isn't it fairly well known that he refused to be in Back to the Future II after finding out how much more Michael J. Fox was getting paid?


In this video, Glover says it's because he questioned the ending, whereupon Marty McFly's reward is material (rich parents, brand-new truck) rather than just the happiness of his parents. According to Glover, the story about quitting because of his salary is "propaganda" spread by Bob Gale. He quit because Marty shouldn't strive for material possessions, he says.

I wasn't there, so I can't vouch for any side of this story.
 
2014-02-28 12:51:57 AM  
So, wait ... he wasn't in Back to the Future II?
 
2014-02-28 01:00:27 AM  
I get what he's saying, but I do think it would be harder to pass along the "everything is better now"  to an audience without putting money out there.  That's kind of an easy thing to make people notice.

You could maybe notice that the sister is more confident with boys.
But how do you convey that Lorraine is happy without it looking like maybe her alcoholism just hasn't peaked yet for that particular day?
You'd have to come up with some completely different success indicator for the brother.
And an excuse for how a guy writing stories about aliens named Darth Vader and planets named Vulcan isn't rich.

I don't think it would have been "just a few tweaks' like he says.
 
2014-02-28 01:03:59 AM  

HawgWild: So, wait ... he wasn't in Back to the Future II?


Nope, neither was Claudia Wells  (Jennifer from the first one).
 
2014-02-28 01:04:49 AM  

Gig103: HawgWild: So, wait ... he wasn't in Back to the Future II?

Nope, neither was Claudia Wells  (Jennifer from the first one).


Well, THAT one was obvious.
 
2014-02-28 01:27:18 AM  
We'll never know, but I think the sequels would have been vastly improved with George.
 
2014-02-28 01:42:28 AM  
Didn't he give a completely different reason for leaving the movie in another interview?
 
2014-02-28 02:41:49 AM  

GreenAdder: Confabulat: Isn't it fairly well known that he refused to be in Back to the Future II after finding out how much more Michael J. Fox was getting paid?

In this video, Glover says it's because he questioned the ending, whereupon Marty McFly's reward is material (rich parents, brand-new truck) rather than just the happiness of his parents. According to Glover, the story about quitting because of his salary is "propaganda" spread by Bob Gale. He quit because Marty shouldn't strive for material possessions, he says.

I wasn't there, so I can't vouch for any side of this story.


To the Delorean!
 
2014-02-28 03:57:26 AM  

HawgWild: So, wait ... he wasn't in Back to the Future II?


No, it was another actor or footage from Back to the Future I
 
2014-02-28 05:04:09 AM  
Ooh ooh. Can we turn this into a "who was cooler, Marty McFly or Ferris Bueller?" type thread?
 
2014-02-28 05:48:17 AM  
Nope, neither was Claudia Wells  (Jennifer from the first one).

She didn't work much for a long time after BTTF, but she's working now, and frankly I hope we see a lot more of her.


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2014-02-28 06:19:13 AM  

HawgWild: So, wait ... he wasn't in Back to the Future II?


You know what, I didn't believe it either and went and looked and it was a different actor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Weissman

I am pretty stunned.  I guess I didn't watch it close enough to see that it wasn't him.
 
2014-02-28 06:26:44 AM  
Ah, Crispin Glover. Every time he opens his mouth I'm reminded why I liked him a lot more when I didn't know what he was like outside of his films. He's known for being a pretty big tool.

I can see where he's coming from, but he sort of needs to let this go. Rather than seeing it from a "wealth completes us" perspective, why not see it from the perspective that McFly had the potential to do all of this all along but lacked the self-confidence to pursue his dreams? And that when he did get the balls to stop being afraid, he found that the sky was the limit? That's actually a fairly positive message, when you figure that the next film does explore the idea of money not giving automatic happiness, since Biff used an almanac to get a ton of money... yet nobody is happy because it wasn't gained through self-confidence and actual hard work.
 
2014-02-28 06:27:48 AM  

You Are All Sheep: HawgWild: So, wait ... he wasn't in Back to the Future II?

You know what, I didn't believe it either and went and looked and it was a different actor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Weissman

I am pretty stunned.  I guess I didn't watch it close enough to see that it wasn't him.


And that's why Glover sued.
 
2014-02-28 06:55:43 AM  
i176.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-28 07:14:40 AM  
Where the hell is Crispin Glover?
 
2014-02-28 07:18:53 AM  
I would like an explanation why Marty's great-grandparents look like him and his mother, and not his father and mother.

Kind of makes you question why Marty looks like boy his mother dated in High School now, doesn't it?

Basically, Futurama covered it but with the inclusion of Marty looking like his great-grandfather?
Sort of seals the deal for me.
 
2014-02-28 07:26:03 AM  
 
2014-02-28 07:29:06 AM  
I guess he works for free. If he were rich, that would sort of make him a giant hypocrite and douchebag.

/oh right
 
2014-02-28 07:43:41 AM  
Saw his show in Dallas a few weekends ago...an interesting evening.  Had too many oysters and ciders.  Still have gout.
 
2014-02-28 07:48:39 AM  

GreenAdder: But if money shouldn't be the impetus for action, could you explain what the  fark you were doing in that "Charlie's Angels" movie?


Supposedly he appeared in shiatty projects to finance his own movies which he wrote/directed/produced. I use the term 'movies' very loosely.
They make David Lynch's  'Eraserhead' look like a coherent, straightforward and simple.

Here's the trailer (NSFW) for his first movie appropriately called 'What Is It ?', and the sequel 'It's Fine!, Everything is Fine' (NSFW).
 
2014-02-28 07:50:02 AM  

Farkin' Found It!:


Your username rules.
 
2014-02-28 07:56:24 AM  

serial_crusher: I get what he's saying, but I do think it would be harder to pass along the "everything is better now"  to an audience without putting money out there.  That's kind of an easy thing to make people notice.

You could maybe notice that the sister is more confident with boys.
But how do you convey that Lorraine is happy without it looking like maybe her alcoholism just hasn't peaked yet for that particular day?
You'd have to come up with some completely different success indicator for the brother.
And an excuse for how a guy writing stories about aliens named Darth Vader and planets named Vulcan isn't rich.

I don't think it would have been "just a few tweaks' like he says.


I'm always irrationally bothered by the older brother in the scene when Marty returns to the new 1985. It's clearly a Saturday morning, and he's wearing a suit to go into his office?

And still lives at home?

And they hired Biff the attempted rapist to wax their car and hang around like an oaf?
 
2014-02-28 08:00:16 AM  

tokyogirl79: Ah, Crispin Glover. Every time he opens his mouth I'm reminded why I liked him a lot more when I didn't know what he was like outside of his films. He's known for being a pretty big tool.

I can see where he's coming from, but he sort of needs to let this go. Rather than seeing it from a "wealth completes us" perspective, why not see it from the perspective that McFly had the potential to do all of this all along but lacked the self-confidence to pursue his dreams? And that when he did get the balls to stop being afraid, he found that the sky was the limit? That's actually a fairly positive message, when you figure that the next film does explore the idea of money not giving automatic happiness, since Biff used an almanac to get a ton of money... yet nobody is happy because it wasn't gained through self-confidence and actual hard work.


The other aspect is that in the modified present (after Marty returns) George McFly is his own man.  He's no longer being manipulated by Biff who has stymied George at every turn since high school.  Without having to pay for the things that Biff destroys e.g., George's car) and doing Biff's work for him George is a success in his own right even without the publication of his novel.  It is not outside the realm of belief that having shaken off Biff's negative impact over the years he would be able to provide not only a good example for his children and be a better husband to his wife but also be able to provide material benefits to them all, though why he's still living in that dump of a neighborhood is anyone's guess.  Maybe he's the neighborhood president and has provided leadership to make that a better place too.
 
2014-02-28 08:01:34 AM  
i26.photobucket.com

/Feck weed!
 
2014-02-28 08:16:22 AM  

untaken_name: I guess he works for free. If he were rich, that would sort of make him a giant hypocrite and douchebag.

/oh right


This. The dude is nuts. I love the hell out of him and the weirdness he conveys but he's nuts.
 
2014-02-28 08:18:32 AM  

untaken_name: If he were rich, that would sort of make him a giant hypocrite and douchebag.


Um, no.
 
2014-02-28 08:30:10 AM  
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2014-02-28 08:31:19 AM  

GreenAdder: Confabulat: Isn't it fairly well known that he refused to be in Back to the Future II after finding out how much more Michael J. Fox was getting paid?

In this video, Glover says it's because he questioned the ending, whereupon Marty McFly's reward is material (rich parents, brand-new truck) rather than just the happiness of his parents. According to Glover, the story about quitting because of his salary is "propaganda" spread by Bob Gale. He quit because Marty shouldn't strive for material possessions, he says.

I wasn't there, so I can't vouch for any side of this story.


My take is that he complained about the ending to the original to Bob Gale... and Bob Gale was, understandably, upset. There were probably heated words between both of them. For the sequel, the producers say "Well, Crispin, if material wealth is a problem, here's a token amount of money, now do the role and be happy" - so technically, yes, it was because of his objection to the ending, but on a more basic level, it was about the money... and Glover's insistence on SCRIPT APPROVAL. That last bit is glossed over by Glover, but in the interview, you can easily see him demanding this, due to his objection over the original movie's ending.

So ultimately, it was the Script Approval demand that proved to be a roadblock to his hiring. At that point, the BTTF2 producers weren't going to budge on either salary or the approval issue.
 
2014-02-28 08:42:33 AM  
I don't trust no words written on some paper by some man named Dickinson from some town of Machine. And another thing, do you remember when you were in the boat.....
 
2014-02-28 08:54:49 AM  

TappingTheVein: GreenAdder: But if money shouldn't be the impetus for action, could you explain what the  fark you were doing in that "Charlie's Angels" movie?

Supposedly he appeared in shiatty projects to finance his own movies which he wrote/directed/produced. I use the term 'movies' very loosely.
They make David Lynch's  'Eraserhead' look like a coherent, straightforward and simple.

Here's the trailer (NSFW) for his first movie appropriately called 'What Is It ?', and the sequel 'It's Fine!, Everything is Fine' (NSFW).


But Eraserhead is a coherent, straightforward, simple story.
 
2014-02-28 08:55:00 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: serial_crusher: I get what he's saying, but I do think it would be harder to pass along the "everything is better now"  to an audience without putting money out there.  That's kind of an easy thing to make people notice.

You could maybe notice that the sister is more confident with boys.
But how do you convey that Lorraine is happy without it looking like maybe her alcoholism just hasn't peaked yet for that particular day?
You'd have to come up with some completely different success indicator for the brother.
And an excuse for how a guy writing stories about aliens named Darth Vader and planets named Vulcan isn't rich.

I don't think it would have been "just a few tweaks' like he says.

I'm always irrationally bothered by the older brother in the scene when Marty returns to the new 1985. It's clearly a Saturday morning, and he's wearing a suit to go into his office?

And still lives at home?

And they hired Biff the attempted rapist to wax their car and hang around like an oaf?


Maybe he was just there for breakfast.
 
2014-02-28 08:59:08 AM  
crispin is a tool and his appearance was not needed for the sequels, as is evidenced by the fact that most people never even realized it wasn't him in the sequel.

seriously, fark him.

he was funny in Hot Tub Time Machine tho.
 
2014-02-28 09:12:42 AM  
He had that lazy eye thing going in The People Vs Larry Flynt
 
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2014-02-28 09:16:11 AM  
How does that man not age?
 
2014-02-28 09:16:54 AM  

You Are All Sheep: HawgWild: So, wait ... he wasn't in Back to the Future II?

You know what, I didn't believe it either and went and looked and it was a different actor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Weissman

I am pretty stunned.  I guess I didn't watch it close enough to see that it wasn't him.


frepnog: crispin is a tool and his appearance was not needed for the sequels, as is evidenced by the fact that most people never even realized it wasn't him in the sequel.

seriously, fark him.

he was funny in Hot Tub Time Machine tho.


i am a HUGE fan of the trilogy...for me, it is the "holy trilogy", whereas more people feel that way about star wars, or more recently the lord of the rings movies.

however, i don't pay THAT close attention to actors at first, and being that the 2nd and 3rd bttf movies featured very little george screentime, i felt that something felt weird, even cartoony, about george, but rather than checking to see it wasn't crispin (most of the time...some was, indeed, leftover footage of crispin), i chalked it up to heavy makeup, etc, to make him 30 years older. i just found out within the last 10 years that it was a different actor
 
2014-02-28 09:20:49 AM  

bungle_jr: i am a HUGE fan of the trilogy...for me, it is the "holy trilogy"


ok, I love me some BTTF, and BTTF2 is good even with the dated 80's version of the future, but 3?

Come on, man.  That film sucks out loud.  All of time at their command, and they end up in the old west.  So much potential wasted.
 
2014-02-28 09:25:14 AM  

Mad Scientist: [img.fark.net image 640x384]


Along the line of that post card is this great video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwY5o2fsG7Y
 
2014-02-28 09:30:41 AM  

frepnog: bungle_jr: i am a HUGE fan of the trilogy...for me, it is the "holy trilogy"

ok, I love me some BTTF, and BTTF2 is good even with the dated 80's version of the future, but 3?

Come on, man.  That film sucks out loud.  All of time at their command, and they end up in the old west.  So much potential wasted.


Exactly. There's no arguing it, original was the best, then 2, and 3 was the worst by far. A pretty steep decline from each to the next. The first film was amazing, the other two are pretty forgettable.
 
2014-02-28 09:31:16 AM  

tokyogirl79: Ah, Crispin Glover. Every time he opens his mouth I'm reminded why I liked him a lot more when I didn't know what he was like outside of his films. He's known for being a pretty big tool.

I can see where he's coming from, but he sort of needs to let this go. Rather than seeing it from a "wealth completes us" perspective, why not see it from the perspective that McFly had the potential to do all of this all along but lacked the self-confidence to pursue his dreams? And that when he did get the balls to stop being afraid, he found that the sky was the limit? That's actually a fairly positive message, when you figure that the next film does explore the idea of money not giving automatic happiness, since Biff used an almanac to get a ton of money... yet nobody is happy because it wasn't gained through self-confidence and actual hard work.


Well said.
 
2014-02-28 09:34:11 AM  

frepnog: Come on, man. That film sucks out loud. All of time at their command, and they end up in the old west. So much potential wasted.


The farther back into the past they went, the greater the potential impact of a small action or momentary interaction. Maybe the Doc was just playing it safe.
 
2014-02-28 09:37:03 AM  
Hmm...
 
2014-02-28 09:41:28 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Maybe he was just there for breakfast.


He was still going to work in a suit on a Saturday.  And he was there for breakfast while his parents were out playing tennis.
 
2014-02-28 09:48:32 AM  
the dated 80s version of the future is still not terribly far fetched...especially things like the 3D

however, i list it as 1=best, 3=close 2nd, and 2=not far behind as 3rd place
 
2014-02-28 09:49:33 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: FirstNationalBastard: Maybe he was just there for breakfast.

He was still going to work in a suit on a Saturday.  And he was there for breakfast while his parents were out playing tennis.


Maybe he works at a bank?
 
2014-02-28 09:58:09 AM  

RoxtarRyan: The farther back into the past they went, the greater the potential impact of a small action or momentary interaction. Maybe the Doc was just playing it safe.


actually, no.  Doc ending up in 1882 or whatever was a complete accident.  Lighting strike caused the time circuits to blink or some shiat.

so in actuality, they could have went ANYWHERE, but for some reason they felt the need to make a western.

And I'll be honest - everything UP TO Marty actually going back to 1882 to find Doc was pretty good.  It just sucks ass when he is in the old west.

Mostly I just wish they had picked ANY other time period.  Colonial America would have been fantastic, could have made Marty actually do Paul Revere's ride or some shiat.
 
2014-02-28 09:58:11 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Yanks_RSJ: serial_crusher: I get what he's saying, but I do think it would be harder to pass along the "everything is better now"  to an audience without putting money out there.  That's kind of an easy thing to make people notice.

You could maybe notice that the sister is more confident with boys.
But how do you convey that Lorraine is happy without it looking like maybe her alcoholism just hasn't peaked yet for that particular day?
You'd have to come up with some completely different success indicator for the brother.
And an excuse for how a guy writing stories about aliens named Darth Vader and planets named Vulcan isn't rich.

I don't think it would have been "just a few tweaks' like he says.

I'm always irrationally bothered by the older brother in the scene when Marty returns to the new 1985. It's clearly a Saturday morning, and he's wearing a suit to go into his office?

And still lives at home?

And they hired Biff the attempted rapist to wax their car and hang around like an oaf?

Maybe he was just there for breakfast.


Maybe George's life didn't turn out so good after all.  Punching Biff put him on a lifelong power trip, so he just loves lording his position over the humbled and reformed Biff.
I bet Biff actually was just finishing off the second coat of wax, but poor old servile Biff went ahead and did a 3rd coat to avoid confrontation.  Basically George has taken the same abusive role that Biff had at the beginning, which is what sewed the seeds for Biff's eventual theft of the time machine in 2015.

He raised Dave to be the kind of jerk who goes to the office on Saturday and makes his direct reports do so as well, then takes credit for their hard work to get himself a promotion.

And don't even get me started on the way Linda was dressed at the end.  Harlot.  Sleeping around from one boy to the next.  Clearly she's acting out as a result of the abuse her father inflicted during her childhood.
 
2014-02-28 10:03:17 AM  

ActionJoe: Mad Scientist: [img.fark.net image 640x384]

Along the line of that post card is this great video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwY5o2fsG7Y


Thanks for posting that link, I had a great laugh!
 
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