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(CBS Dallas/Ft. Worth)   The 60 Million dollar football stadium in Allen, Texas has already paid for itself. Just kidding, it's already falling apart   (dfw.cbslocal.com) divider line 90
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2014-02-27 11:55:54 PM
Is ISD Independent School District?
 
2014-02-28 12:26:13 AM

2wolves: Is ISD Independent School District?


Yes
 
2014-02-28 12:31:06 AM
But at least it's a business friendly state
 
2014-02-28 02:24:04 AM
$60 million for a high school stadium?
Nothing but the best for our circus animals in training, but by all means slash the budgets of departments that provide something tangible, that will be useful after high school for the vast majority of students.

In some Texas school districts, they no longer provide bus service if you live within 2 miles of the school.

I myself would be pretty pissed off if I had to hump books (and in my case, an upright bass) every day for a mile or so (both ways) in the Texas heat.

But hey! Football !!!

Son, did I ever tell you about the time we almost made it to state?
Yes dad, a million times, now when are you going to find a job?
I can't son, those elitist snobs keep telling me I need an education.
 Besides, I'm holding out for a management position.
 
2014-02-28 02:51:44 AM
What a waste of money. I'm all for high school sports, and the kids need somewhere to play, but this f*cking stadium has been absurd from the get-go.
 
2014-02-28 06:50:49 AM
Sweet Jebus my State is stupid.
 
2014-02-28 06:54:39 AM
I wonder how much money was budgeted for the Chess Club or the Debate Team.
 
2014-02-28 06:54:41 AM
So is this a case of the builder using sub-par material,  or is the the unintended consequences of fracking, or both?
 
2014-02-28 07:08:21 AM
What does 'Woody Allen' have to do with this?

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-28 07:54:11 AM
Read that as "Arlen". As someone who grew up in Texas, that show has a lot of truths to it.
 
2014-02-28 07:56:42 AM
There is only one solution,
www.legalcheek.com

/Also, $60 million football stadiums is farking stupid.  We wonder why our kids don't value education.  They learned it from watching.
 
2014-02-28 08:08:36 AM
If only there was some way for people to learn. They could learn how to build things better, more durable. Oh well, time for another tax cut, looser business regulations and less money for classrooms. 35 or 40 to 1 isn't that bad a student teacher ratio
 
2014-02-28 08:14:45 AM
My hometown is stupid.  I've been to the stadium once and even I noticed the massive cracks on the concourse.  This isn't a surprise at all.
 
2014-02-28 08:17:23 AM

Muta: What does 'Woody Allen' have to do with this?

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I believe it's automatically added for anything tagged as "Asinine"
 
2014-02-28 08:33:32 AM

Muta: What does 'Woody Allen' have to do with this?

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My guess: high school students.
 
2014-02-28 08:38:03 AM
At first glance it seems ridiculous, but Allen is a pretty large city with only one high school.  Bearing in mind that it is, after all, Texas we're talking about, it's entirely possible that they fill every one of those 18,000 seats for every home game, and therefore it may very well make have made perfect sense to build such a large stadium.

In the larger scheme the money probably should have been spent in the classroom; the fact that it wasn't is just a reflection on the priorities of the people of Allen, Texas.
 
2014-02-28 08:39:19 AM
I knew high school football was big in Texas, but good lord, $60 million?!? Whoever commissioned that couldn't give two shiats about actual education.
 
2014-02-28 08:39:50 AM
Seats 18,000... maybe they get $20 per seat? $360,000 per game... probably around $5,000,000 per year. So it will take 12 years to pay off, except that the construction is so shoddy, it is falling apart after a year and a half.

Good job!
 
2014-02-28 08:46:31 AM

LesserEvil: Seats 18,000... maybe they get $20 per seat? $360,000 per game... probably around $5,000,000 per year. So it will take 12 years to pay off, except that the construction is so shoddy, it is falling apart after a year and a half.

Good job!


$20 seems optimistic, so does the idea that they actually fill the place regularly. Though, maybe I'm wrong on that. I don't know US high school football.
 
2014-02-28 08:53:58 AM

Robo Beat: At first glance it seems ridiculous, but Allen is a pretty large city with only one high school.  Bearing in mind that it is, after all, Texas we're talking about, it's entirely possible that they fill every one of those 18,000 seats for every home game, and therefore it may very well make have made perfect sense to build such a large stadium.

In the larger scheme the money probably should have been spent in the classroom; the fact that it wasn't is just a reflection on the priorities of the people of Allen, Texas.


The $60M came from a bond issue. The money could ONLY be spent on infrastructure. Building the stadium had nothing to do with taking money out of the class room.

/grew up in Texas when Allen was a shiathole suburb of Plano
//Coaching in Northern Va. where our team plays in a mudpit
///but I'm not bitter . . .
 
2014-02-28 08:58:01 AM
The district says it first noticed some of the cracks just before the stadium opened.  The architect and builder attributed them to normal shrinkage experienced by concrete.

Shouldn't have built the football stadium near the pool.
 
2014-02-28 09:04:32 AM

TeamEd: LesserEvil: Seats 18,000... maybe they get $20 per seat? $360,000 per game... probably around $5,000,000 per year. So it will take 12 years to pay off, except that the construction is so shoddy, it is falling apart after a year and a half.

Good job!

$20 seems optimistic, so does the idea that they actually fill the place regularly. Though, maybe I'm wrong on that. I don't know US high school football.


It's Texas. If you aren't familiar with this scene, try watching "Friday Night Lights" - High School is big there, as in stupid big. The Longhorn Network, a TV network dedicated to University of Texas athletics also shows a lot of high school games. Some high school football programs there are as popular as some states' college programs.

I have no idea what ticket prices cost there, as I'm not from, or living in, Texas, but $20 might actually be a bit low. As for filling the stands, if that school gets into the state championship games on a regular basis, that wouldn't be hard at all.
 
2014-02-28 09:07:38 AM
Reason number 60 million Why China Is Kicking Our Ass.
 
2014-02-28 09:09:06 AM
Did anyone read the statement from the construction company?  The good news is that if any of you Farkers have PR experience, or can write at a third grade level, Pogue Construction just might be in need of your services...  On the other hand, I think I have found what Bob Dole has been doing with his spare time...

http://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/pogue-statement-about-a ll en-eagle-stadium.pdf

/Pogue

//Pogue, Pogue, Pogue
 
2014-02-28 09:17:26 AM

LesserEvil: Seats 18,000... maybe they get $20 per seat? $360,000 per game... probably around $5,000,000 per year. So it will take 12 years to pay off, except that the construction is so shoddy, it is falling apart after a year and a half.

Good job!


Didn't they say the plan was for the stadium to also host concerts and other revenue producing events throughout the year? It wasn't just going to be built for football and other high school activities.
 
2014-02-28 09:21:03 AM

TeamEd: LesserEvil: Seats 18,000... maybe they get $20 per seat? $360,000 per game... probably around $5,000,000 per year. So it will take 12 years to pay off, except that the construction is so shoddy, it is falling apart after a year and a half.

Good job!

$20 seems optimistic, so does the idea that they actually fill the place regularly. Though, maybe I'm wrong on that. I don't know US high school football.


They will subsidize income by using the stadium to house Christian rock concerts.
I hear Stryper is launching their comeback tour there this Spring.
 
2014-02-28 09:25:16 AM
Well, hey, if the Winter Olympics didn't mind their roof caving in because of a cat...
 
2014-02-28 09:31:48 AM

LesserEvil: TeamEd: LesserEvil: Seats 18,000... maybe they get $20 per seat? $360,000 per game... probably around $5,000,000 per year. So it will take 12 years to pay off, except that the construction is so shoddy, it is falling apart after a year and a half.

Good job!

$20 seems optimistic, so does the idea that they actually fill the place regularly. Though, maybe I'm wrong on that. I don't know US high school football.

It's Texas. If you aren't familiar with this scene, try watching "Friday Night Lights" - High School is big there, as in stupid big. The Longhorn Network, a TV network dedicated to University of Texas athletics also shows a lot of high school games. Some high school football programs there are as popular as some states' college programs.

I have no idea what ticket prices cost there, as I'm not from, or living in, Texas, but $20 might actually be a bit low. As for filling the stands, if that school gets into the state championship games on a regular basis, that wouldn't be hard at all.


The whole dollars-and-cents analysis is besides the point.  High-school (and college, for that matter) athletics are not supposed to be money-making ventures.  They were supposed to be extracurricular activities to provide an enriching experience to produce more well-rounded students.  Unfortunately they have become something very different than that, and are now the raison d'etre of many schools, particularly at the college level.

Personally I think sports should be divorced from education entirely.  It's become too much of a conflict-of-interest, too much of a corrupting influence, too much distraction from the main purpose of schools, which is supposed to be education.

Not that I have anything against sports.  If high school-age and college-age kids want to play sports, that's fantastic.  Let them play club sports outside of the school system, and let's leave schools focused on education.
 
2014-02-28 09:47:00 AM

ColTomParker: The $60M came from a bond issue. The money could ONLY be spent on infrastructure. Building the stadium had nothing to do with taking money out of the class room.


True, but how often do high schools in Texas get bonds for anything other than building new sports stadiums or upgrading existing ones? When was the last time a Texas high school got a $60M bond to buy textbooks that aren't older than the students reading them?
 
2014-02-28 09:55:08 AM
Ah, the American South. Who needs an education when our state entices corporations with a race to the bottom, so your job won't pay much more than minimum wage anyway?

Training them to be athletes will make them much better cannon fodder for the next war for freedom anyway!
 
2014-02-28 09:56:32 AM

Doc Daneeka: High-school (and college, for that matter) athletics are not supposed to be money-making ventures.


That's a pretty bold assertion of one man's opinion
 
2014-02-28 10:01:56 AM

Lost Thought 00: Doc Daneeka: High-school (and college, for that matter) athletics are not supposed to be money-making ventures.

That's a pretty bold assertion of one man's opinion


How would you like me to assert my opinion?

Moreover, it's not just my opinion.  I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with the bold, crazy idea that maybe schools should be focused on education.
 
2014-02-28 10:16:50 AM

jpo2269: Did anyone read the statement from the construction company?  The good news is that if any of you Farkers have PR experience, or can write at a third grade level, Pogue Construction just might be in need of your services...  On the other hand, I think I have found what Bob Dole has been doing with his spare time...

http://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/pogue-statement-about-a ll en-eagle-stadium.pdf

/Pogue

//Pogue, Pogue, Pogue


Yeah, if you're so self-centered that you name your construction company after yourself maybe you aren't the best person to be doing any sort of PR work.

/ that whole thing read like it was written by a neanderthal
// spell-check will make sure your words are spelled properly, but it won't fix your sentence structure
 
2014-02-28 10:17:04 AM

LesserEvil: TeamEd: LesserEvil: Seats 18,000... maybe they get $20 per seat? $360,000 per game... probably around $5,000,000 per year. So it will take 12 years to pay off, except that the construction is so shoddy, it is falling apart after a year and a half.

Good job!

$20 seems optimistic, so does the idea that they actually fill the place regularly. Though, maybe I'm wrong on that. I don't know US high school football.

It's Texas. If you aren't familiar with this scene, try watching "Friday Night Lights" - High School is big there, as in stupid big. The Longhorn Network, a TV network dedicated to University of Texas athletics also shows a lot of high school games. Some high school football programs there are as popular as some states' college programs.

I have no idea what ticket prices cost there, as I'm not from, or living in, Texas, but $20 might actually be a bit low. As for filling the stands, if that school gets into the state championship games on a regular basis, that wouldn't be hard at all.


Season tickets at Allen are only $40 and single game tickets are $8 if you buy them at the gate otherwise they are cheaper.
 
2014-02-28 10:21:45 AM

Doc Daneeka: I wonder how much money was budgeted for the Chess Club or the Debate Team.


All the schools in Texas are (or were when I was there) in this intra-school competitive league called UIL, where each club/team gets points at tournaments/games against each other.

I got more UIL points in extemp and debate than the entire football team...  But apparently that doesn't get you laid as much though.
 
2014-02-28 10:22:25 AM

Doc Daneeka: Lost Thought 00: Doc Daneeka: High-school (and college, for that matter) athletics are not supposed to be money-making ventures.

That's a pretty bold assertion of one man's opinion

How would you like me to assert my opinion?

Moreover, it's not just my opinion.  I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with the bold, crazy idea that maybe schools should be focused on education.


Whoa! Don't go forcing your Pinko beliefs on others, Comrade.

/ Me, I think high schools should focus on education and College sports should pay its athletes.
 
2014-02-28 10:23:51 AM
This stinks like crony capitalism. Contractors who knew people but didn't have the skills to put together legos got the job.
 
2014-02-28 10:24:22 AM
I live in Frisco, TX, which is two cities away from Allen.  This whole area (Frisco, Allen, McKinney, Prosper, etc) is growing out of control.

Here's a paragraph I found that best explains Allen, TX:

Allen is a prototypical fast-growth Texas town, with its population increasing from about 2,000 to 8,000 between 1970 and 1980, then to 18,000 in 1990, to 43,000 in 2000, and up to 84,000 in the 2010 U.S. Census. Being a mere 12 miles northeast of Dallas helped that boom immensely. It's not just how many moved to Allen, but who is moving there. The local economic development commission notes that the median household income in Allen is about $95,000 per year, compared with a national median of $49,000. The city is so short of low-wage labor, it's applying for a federal grant to develop transit strategies to get people from elsewhere to their retail and hotel jobs.

That last sentence seems like a joke, but it's not:  http://www.cityofallen.org/index.aspx?NID=1486">http://www.cityofalle n.org/index.aspx?NID=1486

(Decent) houses in this area are staying on the market for what seems like nanoseconds.  There are nowhere near enough houses available for everyone who wants to move here.

And it's not "small-town Texas football" mentality that leads to $60M football stadiums being built (that measure passed with 63% of the vote, by the way), because most of the people living in this area weren't even living in the state of Texas five, ten years ago.  We've been getting a massive influx of Californians lately.

There's so much money flowing through Collin County, $60M is practically nothing.  And Texas no longer has the "rob Peter to pay Paul" school funding.

This area is both awesome and sickening at the same time.
 
2014-02-28 10:25:15 AM

Doc Daneeka: I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with the bold, crazy idea that maybe schools should be focused on education.


If the sports are taking resources away from education, sure.  I went to Texas for college and our team makes money for the university, and is a part of the culture of the university - so I think we'll keep it associated, thanks very much.

/If I went to one of the schools where the Football program is a money loser, I'd probably be pissed.
 
2014-02-28 10:26:07 AM

This Looks Fun: College sports should pay its athletes.


They do, they get a free degree if they want it and they get a 4 year televised job interview for their desired career.
 
2014-02-28 10:27:36 AM

uncoveror: This stinks like crony capitalism. Contractors who knew people but didn't have the skills to put together legos got the job.


Texas soils can kick just about anyone in the nuts.
 
2014-02-28 10:28:13 AM

Doc Daneeka: I wonder how much money was budgeted for the Chess Club or the Debate Team.


I wonder how many people are willing to pay $8 apiece on a Friday night to watch the Chess Club play or listen to a rousing debate?
 
2014-02-28 10:29:20 AM

brianbutz: 2wolves: Is ISD Independent School District?

Yes


Thank you.
 
2014-02-28 10:30:12 AM

Doc Daneeka: I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with the bold, crazy idea that maybe schools should be focused on education.


Don't kid yourself.  Plenty of money is being spent on education.

The city of Frisco built something like four new elementary schools this year alone.  And check out the new school that was recently built in Prosper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosper_High_School

"The new high school remains the most expensive in the state of Texas and is only at half its capacity. Prosper, Texas is predicted to grow drastically within the next decade. "
 
2014-02-28 10:30:28 AM
If the place is self supporting I guess it wouldnt matter what it cost but:

When big money is on the line there is more incentive to bend (read: break in to a million tiny pieces) rules regarding eligibility and discipline.

"Yeah the entire offensive line was caught cheating on a test, but we have 18000 people coming to watch the game tonight so....."

/could suspend our entire team and replace them with band kids and no one would notice.
 
2014-02-28 10:48:14 AM

Doc Daneeka: Lost Thought 00: Doc Daneeka: High-school (and college, for that matter) athletics are not supposed to be money-making ventures.

That's a pretty bold assertion of one man's opinion

How would you like me to assert my opinion?

Moreover, it's not just my opinion.  I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with the bold, crazy idea that maybe schools should be focused on education.


What the hell would my college do with the additional millions of dollars a year it doesn't lose on athletics!? Do repair work on the only library on campus?
 
2014-02-28 10:52:14 AM

organizmx: Ah, the American South. Who needs an education when our state entices corporations with a race to the bottom, so your job won't pay much more than minimum wage anyway?

Training them to be athletes will make them much better cannon fodder for the next war for freedom anyway!


They're going to be 4-F'ed out out of the military after they're done being cannon fodder for each other.
 
2014-02-28 10:54:56 AM

Slow To Return: Doc Daneeka: I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with the bold, crazy idea that maybe schools should be focused on education.

Don't kid yourself.  Plenty of money is being spent on education.

The city of Frisco built something like four new elementary schools this year alone.  And check out the new school that was recently built in Prosper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosper_High_School

"The new high school remains the most expensive in the state of Texas and is only at half its capacity. Prosper, Texas is predicted to grow drastically within the next decade. "


Used to live and go to school in Prosper when there were <1000 people there. Then rich assholes moved in with 750k+ houses. That town sucks now. If you are not from one of the very affluent neighborhoods you might as well not exist in the city council's eyes.

Frisco is building 15 new schools in the next 3 years.
 
2014-02-28 10:58:29 AM

lilplatinum: Doc Daneeka: I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with the bold, crazy idea that maybe schools should be focused on education.

If the sports are taking resources away from education, sure.  I went to Texas for college and our team makes money for the university, and is a part of the culture of the university - so I think we'll keep it associated, thanks very much.

/If I went to one of the schools where the Football program is a money loser, I'd probably be pissed.


You actually hit the nail on the head, UT and the like, OU included, make money unfortunately a lot of programs lose money but the administrators think they are one season away from making money.  

/BIL and his wife live in Allen, if all of Allen is like them I am glad not to live there.
//Will be mildly amused if they have to knock the thing down for safety reasons.
 
2014-02-28 11:00:46 AM

there their theyre: Used to live and go to school in Prosper when there were <1000 people there. Then rich assholes moved in with 750k+ houses. That town sucks now. If you are not from one of the very affluent neighborhoods you might as well not exist in the city council's eyes.


It's funny to see the "original" subdivisions and new section 8 housing subdivisions in cities like Frisco or Prosper.  They really stick out.
 
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