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(NPR)   So about your theory that Academy Award voters are all old white men...It's actually a lot worse than you think   (npr.org ) divider line
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2014-02-28 01:37:27 AM  
Old white men run the rest of the country, why would anyone expect this to be any different?
 
2014-02-28 05:59:08 AM  
Urban people don't know how to solve problems intelligently, unlike old white guys. That's why our country is so awesome right now.
 
2014-02-28 06:05:04 AM  
If this guy is really waiting on the industry that can't emotionally or financially cope with a woman that's a size 2 to start embracing people of actual different races, political alignments, etc... I hope he's not holding his breath.
 
2014-02-28 06:17:09 AM  

Jim_Callahan: If this guy is really waiting on the industry that can't emotionally or financially cope with a woman that's a size 2 to start embracing people of actual different races, political alignments, etc... I hope he's not holding his breath.


Who knows? Maybe he's into erotic auto asphyxiation.

NTTAWW*ack!!!!*
 
2014-02-28 06:20:44 AM  
So about your theory that Academy Award voters are all old white men...It's actually a lot worse than you think

...they're all young black men?
 
2014-02-28 06:28:45 AM  
They're Jewish too?
 
2014-02-28 06:33:25 AM  
Old white Jewish men running everything.
That explains quite a lot, actually.

/Just another day in the capitalist paradise!
 
2014-02-28 06:54:13 AM  
Oh hey, another article that jumps to the conclusion of direct racism/misogyny rather than considering that perhaps maybe minorities and women with 40 friggen years of film-making experience are maybe just maybe a little rare?  Yeah, it sucks but it is going to disappear now that those barriers that once were are gone.  Should we rush people into a position they might not have the experience for because of their skin color or sex?
 
2014-02-28 07:03:02 AM  
I watched "Gravity" and "Nebraska" back-to-back a couple of nights ago. When that's the kind of sh*t being put up for Best Picture, it doesn't matter much who's doing the voting.
 
2014-02-28 07:07:10 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: Oh hey, another article that jumps to the conclusion of direct racism/misogyny rather than considering that perhaps maybe minorities and women with 40 friggen years of film-making experience are maybe just maybe a little rare?  Yeah, it sucks but it is going to disappear now that those barriers that once were are gone.  Should we rush people into a position they might not have the experience for because of their skin color or sex?


Huh, I wonder why they are rare?
 
2014-02-28 07:31:16 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: Oh hey, another article that jumps to the conclusion of direct racism/misogyny. . . .


It's kind of a hard conclusion to avoid when "Gravity" is deemed Oscar-worthy and "Fruitvale Station" is not.
 
2014-02-28 07:49:34 AM  

diaphoresis: Urban people don't know how to solve problems intelligently, unlike old white guys. That's why our country is so awesome


Not sure if serious
 
2014-02-28 07:50:41 AM  
Or we can gravitate toward another award that better reflects America and relegate the Oscars to irrelevancy.
 
2014-02-28 08:27:00 AM  
And how does this affect me??
 
2014-02-28 08:28:07 AM  
vernonFL: They're Jewish too?

Aye, but one isn't allowed to point out that Jews, a distinct minority everywhere else, have a majority in the film industry.
No newspaper is going to touch it, and I'd be surprised if this post even lasts out the day on Fark for pointing it out.

/not antisemitic, but definitely anti-censorship.
 
2014-02-28 08:42:35 AM  

markfara: I watched "Gravity" and "Nebraska" back-to-back a couple of nights ago. When that's the kind of sh*t being put up for Best Picture, it doesn't matter much who's doing the voting.


And there are rules that say Animated Films can not be placed in the "Best Picture" category. Sorry, but some of the best films I have seen over the past 10 years were animated. Toy Story 3 for example is way better then any of the "Best Picture" award winners. Yet it is animated and therefore can not win ""Best Picture."
 
2014-02-28 08:43:13 AM  
Listening to Kyle Buchanan from The Vulture on Filmlspotting yesterday, the process of attending parties and whoring around for votes in the preceding months makes our political system look sound. I'm more excited about the Independent Spirit Awards  on IFC Saturday night.
 
2014-02-28 08:46:50 AM  

yves0010: markfara: I watched "Gravity" and "Nebraska" back-to-back a couple of nights ago. When that's the kind of sh*t being put up for Best Picture, it doesn't matter much who's doing the voting.

And there are rules that say Animated Films can not be placed in the "Best Picture" category. Sorry, but some of the best films I have seen over the past 10 years were animated. Toy Story 3 for example is way better then any of the "Best Picture" award winners. Yet it is animated and therefore can not win ""Best Picture."


The Oscars haven't been worth taking seriously in years. "Blue Jasmine" wasn't what I'd call a masterpiece (although Blanchett was fantastic), but it was a hell of a lot better than the two turds referenced above. And "Fruitvale Station" was the best thing I saw last year (and I see pretty much everything).

(Not a fan of the animation, but I feel your pain.)
 
2014-02-28 08:48:48 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Listening to Kyle Buchanan from The Vulture on Filmlspotting yesterday, the process of attending parties and whoring around for votes in the preceding months makes our political system look sound. I'm more excited about the Independent Spirit Awards  on IFC Saturday night.


Speaking of IFC, I saw "The Canyons" the other night. It was jaw-droppingly awful (despite a surprisingly good performance by Lindsay Lohan). Razzies, take note!
 
2014-02-28 10:05:41 AM  
Well, that pretty much explains why the films my grandparents love completely lineup with Oscar nominees, and anything the least bit edgy never wins or even gets nominated.
 
2014-02-28 10:36:12 AM  

thornhill: Well, that pretty much explains why the films my grandparents love completely lineup with Oscar nominees, and anything the least bit edgy never wins or even gets nominated.


I wouldn't go so far as to call 12 Years A Slave edgy, but it's way outside the comfortable boundary that the Awards usually set. It's also the odds-on favorite to win Best Picture. (And if it does win, film people will be interpreting it as at least partially a nod to Hunger.)

Also, why all the hate on Gravity?
 
2014-02-28 10:37:40 AM  

thornhill: anything the least bit edgy never wins or even gets nominated.


The "difficult" films always end up being ghettoed in (and, shockingly, many times end up winning) the "Best Original Screenplay" category.

Pulp Fiction
Inglourious Basterds
Django Unchained
Wes Anderson films
Coen Brother films
indie flicks
etc. etc.
 
2014-02-28 10:50:32 AM  

Zagloba: thornhill: Well, that pretty much explains why the films my grandparents love completely lineup with Oscar nominees, and anything the least bit edgy never wins or even gets nominated.

I wouldn't go so far as to call 12 Years A Slave edgy, but it's way outside the comfortable boundary that the Awards usually set. It's also the odds-on favorite to win Best Picture. (And if it does win, film people will be interpreting it as at least partially a nod to Hunger.)

Also, why all the hate on Gravity?


I don't think that slavery is outside of the Academy's comfort zone. If anything, the Academy actually loves historical films about human rights issues, such as slavery and the holocaust.

Here's a classic example of the Academy comfort zone: Paul Giamatti not being nominated for best actor in Sideways. The fact that his character stole money from his mother was just a bridge too far for academy voters.
 
2014-02-28 10:51:39 AM  

Sinbox: thornhill: anything the least bit edgy never wins or even gets nominated.

The "difficult" films always end up being ghettoed in (and, shockingly, many times end up winning) the "Best Original Screenplay" category.

Pulp Fiction
Inglourious Basterds
Django Unchained
Wes Anderson films
Coen Brother films
indie flicks
etc. etc.


I never thought of it that way, but yeah, screenplay seems to be the runner up award for movies that are just too edgy for Academy voters to be granted best picture and/or director.
 
2014-02-28 10:54:49 AM  

thornhill: I don't think that slavery is outside of the Academy's comfort zone. If anything, the Academy actually loves historical films about human rights issues, such as slavery and the holocaust.


Not the slavery itself, but the explicitness of the torture scenes.

On the other hand, Braveheart. And Amistad. And Titanic... oh, wait...
 
2014-02-28 10:56:09 AM  

Zagloba: thornhill: Well, that pretty much explains why the films my grandparents love completely lineup with Oscar nominees, and anything the least bit edgy never wins or even gets nominated.

I wouldn't go so far as to call 12 Years A Slave edgy, but it's way outside the comfortable boundary that the Awards usually set. It's also the odds-on favorite to win Best Picture. (And if it does win, film people will be interpreting it as at least partially a nod to Hunger.)

Also, why all the hate on Gravity?


Gravity stunk.

Visually stunning, sure. But it was a boring pile of crap and Sandra Bullock floating around in her underwear was probably the only thing she did right
 
2014-02-28 11:01:42 AM  
I assumed they were all women, as I know no men who would watch those movies.
 
2014-02-28 11:05:26 AM  

Zagloba: thornhill: I don't think that slavery is outside of the Academy's comfort zone. If anything, the Academy actually loves historical films about human rights issues, such as slavery and the holocaust.

Not the slavery itself, but the explicitness of the torture scenes.

On the other hand, Braveheart. And Amistad. And Titanic... oh, wait...


I don't think Academy voters are quite that bad -- wanting a slavery film without any of the brutality.

The real atrocity from the Titanic year was LA Confidential not cleaning house -- picture, director, cinematography, score, costume, etc.

Way too nuanced and dark for Academy voters.
 
2014-02-28 11:15:12 AM  
HotIgneous Intruder
2014-02-28 06:33:25 AM


Old white Jewish men running everything.
That explains quite a lot, actually.

/Just another day in the capitalist paradise!

Stormfront kick you out for being too tolerant?
 
2014-02-28 11:16:57 AM  

thornhill: I never thought of it that way, but yeah, screenplay seems to be the runner up award for movies that are just too edgy for Academy voters to be granted best picture and/or director.


full list of Original Screenplay nominees and winners stretching back to the first ceremony at which this award was given.
 
2014-02-28 11:23:30 AM  
I thought traditionally the old white men (who don't actually go see movies unless they're involved in making them) gave their ballots to their secretaries to vote, which is why weepy tear-jerkers always do well at the Oscars.
 
2014-02-28 11:24:17 AM  

Hot Lunch: But it was a boring pile of crap and Sandra Bullock floating around in her underwear was probably the only thing she did right


You're a moran. Bullock's performance will be a case study in film school for a generation, and you're worried about her underwear? Don't let your substitute teacher catch you on the internet.
 
2014-02-28 11:33:52 AM  

JNowe: I assumed they were all women, as I know no men who would watch those movies.


What? Am I missing something or is this the dumbest comment I've read here in weeks?
 
2014-02-28 11:39:59 AM  

Zagloba: Also, why all the hate on Gravity?


Not. hate. It was just dull.
 
2014-02-28 11:42:55 AM  
This isn't a new thing. The best movie of the 1950s (Singin' in the Rain) wasn't even nominated.
 
2014-02-28 11:58:37 AM  

browntimmy: JNowe: I assumed they were all women, as I know no men who would watch those movies.

What? Am I missing something or is this the dumbest comment I've read here in weeks?


I don't know what you find so objectionable about it, Timmeh.  Every year around this time, all the women I know start organizing parties to go see the nominated films.  All the men are like, 'meh'.
 
2014-02-28 12:35:06 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: I thought traditionally the old white men (who don't actually go see movies unless they're involved in making them) gave their ballots to their secretaries to vote, which is why weepy tear-jerkers always do well at the Oscars.


This theory has merit.

Also AIDS Oscar bait, the male executive assistants like Smothers and Homer's Harvey Firestein?
 
2014-02-28 12:36:33 PM  

Zagloba: Hot Lunch: But it was a boring pile of crap and Sandra Bullock floating around in her underwear was probably the only thing she did right

You're a moran. Bullock's performance will be a case study in film school for a generation, and you're worried about her underwear? Don't let your substitute teacher catch you on the internet.


If you mean it will be contrasted against Robert Redford in All is Lost, and she comes across as Honey Boo Boo reinacting To Build A Fire, sure
 
2014-02-28 01:06:14 PM  
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Because Brits, and leftist, gay, and Jewish topics don't get enough Oscars.

Oh, she probably means Tyler Perry. He can just buy one, like Oprah did.
 
2014-02-28 01:28:04 PM  

JNowe: browntimmy: JNowe: I assumed they were all women, as I know no men who would watch those movies.

What? Am I missing something or is this the dumbest comment I've read here in weeks?

I don't know what you find so objectionable about it, Timmeh.  Every year around this time, all the women I know start organizing parties to go see the nominated films.  All the men are like, 'meh'.


Being meh about the award show is understandable, but the movies themselves are usually at least pretty good and occasionally great. I fail to see how Gravity or a movie like Wolf of Wall Street, with drugs, and swearing, and tits galore are chick films.
 
2014-02-28 01:41:11 PM  

Zagloba: Hot Lunch: But it was a boring pile of crap and Sandra Bullock floating around in her underwear was probably the only thing she did right

You're a moran. Bullock's performance will be a case study in film school for a generation, and you're worried about her underwear? Don't let your substitute teacher catch you on the internet.


A case study for what?  Taking a garbage script and doing nothing with it?

Did you honestly have an emotional reaction to her laughable little speech to her dead daughter?  She'd have been well suited to work in silence throughout the movie, rather than talking to herself out loud.  Again, it was visually excellent but it was impossible to care about Bullock.

Sorry if I ask a bit more from my movies.

/I would like to see a sequel/followup based on what the hell happens on earth when a whole bunch of satellites(all of them?) don't work anymore.
//Starring someone else
 
2014-02-28 01:56:53 PM  

thornhill: I don't think that slavery is outside of the Academy's comfort zone. If anything, the Academy actually loves historical films about human rights issues, such as slavery and the holocaust.


To win an oscar, you either have to be black and play a slave, or be white and play a retard.
 
2014-02-28 02:54:43 PM  

yves0010: markfara: I watched "Gravity" and "Nebraska" back-to-back a couple of nights ago. When that's the kind of sh*t being put up for Best Picture, it doesn't matter much who's doing the voting.

And there are rules that say Animated Films can not be placed in the "Best Picture" category. Sorry, but some of the best films I have seen over the past 10 years were animated. Toy Story 3 for example is way better then any of the "Best Picture" award winners. Yet it is animated and therefore can not win ""Best Picture."


Up and Toy Story 3 were both nominated for Best Picture.  Beauty and the Beast was the only animated film nominated prior to the creation of the Best Animated Feature category.
 
2014-02-28 05:44:59 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: Oh hey, another article that jumps to the conclusion of direct racism/misogyny rather than considering that perhaps maybe minorities and women with 40 friggen years of film-making experience are maybe just maybe a little rare?  Yeah, it sucks but it is going to disappear now that those barriers that once were are gone.  Should we rush people into a position they might not have the experience for because of their skin color or sex?


They let make up artists in man, experience has nothing to do with it.
 
2014-02-28 06:54:21 PM  

ignacio: Plant Rights Activist: Oh hey, another article that jumps to the conclusion of direct racism/misogyny rather than considering that perhaps maybe minorities and women with 40 friggen years of film-making experience are maybe just maybe a little rare?  Yeah, it sucks but it is going to disappear now that those barriers that once were are gone.  Should we rush people into a position they might not have the experience for because of their skin color or sex?

They let make up artists in man, experience has nothing to do with it.


Outside the ghetto that is "black comedies for black people" (hi, Tyler Perry), Hollywood has four or five black actors.  If there is a black guy in a movie, he is almost always one of that group.  With a pool of black actors that low, given that a lot of the pool of voters is made up of nominees and actors with a significant body of work, it is simply not possible for the Academy to have a high number of black members without offering memberships out to people just on the basis that they're black, which all else aside is a dumb reason for offering memberships.  Of course, I'm fairly sure a lot of membership are offered on the basis of someone being rich, so hell, why not diversify the dumb reasons for membership?

We can only hope that over time the number of prominent black actors with good work will increase leading to a natural increase in membership.

This, however, does not really answer why there are so few females.  I think that comes down to the fact that a significant proportion of membership is producers and directors, which is an area which women still struggle to break into (those that have are white, so it's doubleplus ungood for black people).
 
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