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(Bustle)   Headline: "Pot causes deaths". Article: "One guy with a serious heart condition and one guy who abused other harder drugs died while smoking pot. But it was totally the pot"   (bustle.com) divider line 45
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2014-02-27 05:43:28 PM
That doesn't even count all the California Cheeseburgers that have been eaten because of the munchies

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2014-02-27 05:50:08 PM
Is it possible to overdose on cannabis? Sure. But you'd have to smoke something like a joint of the highest grade shiat anyone breeds every minute for hours on end to do it. I'm not sure anybody could physically do that.
 
2014-02-27 06:04:05 PM
FTA:  As support for marijuana continues to sweep the States, a new German study has some sobering news: Researchers have pinpointed  . Regardless of your position on the drug, it's long been assumed that it couldn't be biologically fatal, and President Obama has even called it "no more dangerous than alcohol." These are the first deaths to ever be scientifically linked to marijuana use.

Alcohol kills approximately 9000 people a year in the States, and they linked 2 f*cking deaths to marijuana. Give me a f*cking break.
 
2014-02-27 06:12:04 PM
These two people probably could have been killed with a well-timed "BOO!"
 
2014-02-27 06:12:39 PM
"But it was totally the pot"


...with the candlestick! In the library!
 
2014-02-27 06:26:09 PM
swaniefrmreddeer:
Alcohol kills approximately 9000 people a year in the States, and they linked 2 f*cking deaths to marijuana. Give me a f*cking break.

And I missed a 0, make that 90,000 a year.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-02-27 06:37:38 PM
When smoked, marijuana can raise blood pressure and increase heart rate, which can lead to stoke, heart attacks...  I am not certain of other forms of use.

Marijuana can be the thing that leads to a death.  It's not at all popular to say that, though.  People don't die from marijuana like one can from alcohol poisoning.  Health problems from pot are often indirect.
 
2014-02-27 07:08:03 PM
It almost killed me in Berkeley, CA back in 2000.

/Not really.
//But damn that coughing fit was scary.
///Good times.
 
2014-02-27 07:10:38 PM
Given these factors, marijuana use seems to have been what ultimately caused their deaths,

What the actual fu*k?

The author of this article was high as a motherfarker.
 
2014-02-27 07:18:15 PM

433: When smoked, marijuana can raise blood pressure and increase heart rate, which can lead to stoke, heart attacks... I am not certain of other forms of use.


Yup.  If your heart is bad enough that doctor's are telling you can't take viagra or that a jog around the block might kill you, its probably a good idea not to take any drug that increases heart rate.
 
2014-02-27 07:19:14 PM
We are seeing the vapors (ha!) inducing propaganda blitz and LEO union lobbyists and DEA officials start to realize this legal pot thing might actually fly.

Their problem is they have less credibility than stoners right now after a century of bald face lying.
 
2014-02-27 07:20:33 PM

433: When smoked, marijuana can raise blood pressure and increase heart rate, which can lead to stoke, heart attacks...  I am not certain of other forms of use.

Marijuana can be the thing that leads to a death.  It's not at all popular to say that, though.  People don't die from marijuana like one can from alcohol poisoning.  Health problems from pot are often indirect.


Tell me, what effect does breathing on a smoggy day have on the body? Oh right, "raise blood pressure and increase heart rate".
 
2014-02-27 07:22:22 PM
FTA: The researchers recommend that if you are at a high risk of cardiovascular disease, you should avoid pot.

Okay, but this group of people should also avoid things like stressful situations, eating too much salt, etc. Pot is going to be the least of your worries here.
 
2014-02-27 07:25:46 PM
2 deaths?  Two deaths?  Below is a list of the things that can be linked to more than a couple deaths:

Every goddam thing ever.

I mean salt, sugar, water and air have all caused more deaths.  More people have died from laughing.  More people have been allergic to their own blood.
 
2014-02-27 07:28:32 PM

Serious Black: Is it possible to overdose on cannabis? Sure. But you'd have to smoke something like a joint of the highest grade shiat anyone breeds every minute for hours on end to do it. I'm not sure anybody could physically do that.


It is absolutely impossible to smoke or consume enough marijuana to kill you. Even if you are smoking or consuming 99% pure THC concentrate it would be near impossible.
 
2014-02-27 07:58:23 PM
I can assure you that every human being who has ever smoked pot has died, or will.
 
2014-02-27 08:05:07 PM
2 deaths that may possibly be linked to cannabis use? Better make it a felony to even touch the stuff.

450,000, generally slow and excruciatingly painful, deaths every single year connected to tobacco use? *crickets*
 
2014-02-27 08:07:54 PM
Just cause a person is on marijuana when they die doesn't mean the marijuana caused the death. Correlation does not equal causation.
 
2014-02-27 08:09:02 PM
If you could OD on pot, half the people I've ever met in my life would be dead, including about 85% of the MSTP students.
 
2014-02-27 08:12:00 PM

433: When smoked, marijuana can raise blood pressure and increase heart rate, which can lead to stoke, heart attacks...  I am not certain of other forms of use.

Marijuana can be the thing that leads to a death.  It's not at all popular to say that, though.  People don't die from marijuana like one can from alcohol poisoning.  Health problems from pot are often indirect.


MJ always leads to being stoked.
 
2014-02-27 08:26:01 PM

SevenizGud: If you could OD on pot, half the people I've ever met in my life would be dead, including about 85% of the MSTP students.


it was only recently weaponized here on fark at this link.  if you can OD it would be with this.  but otherwise, no.
 
2014-02-27 08:27:36 PM
I've heard about people dying in the bath or shower, too.

Clearly baths and showers cause death.
 
2014-02-27 08:40:41 PM
Let's take a huge leap out onto this limb and say yes, these deaths were caused by the devil's lettuce. Let's assume we have discovered a first in recorded history: deaths from marijuana, two of them even!

Assuming that...so farking what? Cannabis killed two people (remember we're pretending here) so Nancy Reagan is now President and we all have to go to Just Say No reeducation camp?

Even if it caused these two deaths, that makes it the least lethal of any other farking drug in the world. Certainly less lethal than alcohol and whatever the fark they put in cigarettes. Less lethal than red meat. Less lethal than 92 oz soda. Yet we don't get articles about red meat being a gateway meat to bacon fat injections to your arteries or thinking about the poor children who might see soda on the street.

Why can't we treat adults like adults and allow then to assess the risk of their drug of choice and decide for themselves whether they want to eat, smoke, or drink themselves to death? Because we're all killing ourselves somehow, either through our diet or our drugs or our thrill seeking or...

Personally, I'll take a couple grams of the finest cannabis available, and go ahead and risk being the 2 out of infinity billion pit smokers that supposedly died from it.

/don't tell me about the public health concerns either...unless the government is going to force all the fat asses to start exercising, they can fark off with public health concerns
//if smoking pot ever becomes as deadly as being fat, I'll revise my position...let's see if we count these 2 deaths pot only has a couple hundred thousand deaths to go to catch up to obesity
 
2014-02-27 09:06:31 PM
I'll keep testing...
 
2014-02-27 09:26:55 PM
Here in Colorado they legalized marijuana and now they say everyone in the state is eventually going to die.
 
2014-02-27 09:45:26 PM

Semper IvXx: Less lethal than red meat.


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2014-02-27 09:46:42 PM
My grandpa died while sleeping. Proof positive that sleeping is deadly.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-02-27 09:56:15 PM

SevenizGud: 433: When smoked, marijuana can raise blood pressure and increase heart rate, which can lead to stoke, heart attacks...  I am not certain of other forms of use.

Marijuana can be the thing that leads to a death.  It's not at all popular to say that, though.  People don't die from marijuana like one can from alcohol poisoning.  Health problems from pot are often indirect.

MJ always leads to being stoked.


lol, awesome.
 
2014-02-27 10:26:53 PM
Why else would he be naked?
 
2014-02-27 10:45:09 PM

Serious Black: Is it possible to overdose on cannabis? Sure. But you'd have to smoke something like a joint of the highest grade shiat anyone breeds every minute for hours on end to do it. I'm not sure anybody could physically do that.


You could extract activated THC and get it concentrated enough, and then maybe....

But no, regularly smoking, you'd have to hot box after a dry spell or something.
 
2014-02-27 10:51:33 PM
O.K., want to die?  I'd suggest the FDA/DEA APPROVED synthetic Delta 9, Schedule III, Marinol (Dronabinol), the LD50, in rats, 800-1900 mg/kg.  That's el puro synthetic Delta 9 THC.  The FDA sussed out the morbidity & mortality stats (1997-2005) & could only find 4 deaths where Marinol was judged to be the PROXIMAL cause of death (no info on preexisting conditions).  Let's just say, one would REALLY have to have a hard-on to die in an unpleasant fashion, in order to scarf (and hold down) one's stashed/multiple refills.

Oh, and driving around (might die stoned, behind the wheel, right?).  What's the recommendation for Marinol?

Effects on Driving: The drug manufacturer suggests that patients receiving treatment with Marinol® should be specifically warned not to drive until it is established that they are able to tolerate the drug and perform such tasks safely. Epidemiology data from road traffic arrests and fatalities indicate that after alcohol, marijuana is the most frequently detected psychoactive substance among driving populations. Marijuana has been shown to impair performance on driving simulator tasks and on open and closed driving courses for up to approximately 3 hours. Decreased car handling performance, increased reaction times, impaired time and distance estimation, inability to maintain headway, lateral travel, subjective sleepiness, motor incoordination, and impaired sustained vigilance have all been reported. Some drivers may actually be able to improve performance for brief periods by overcompensating for self-perceived impairment. The greater the demands placed on the driver, however, the more critical the likely impairment. Marijuana may particularly impair monotonous and prolonged driving. Decision times to evaluate situations and determine appropriate responses increase. Mixing alcohol and marijuana may dramatically produce effects greater than either drug on its own.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/research/job185drugs/cannabis.htm

Gee, sounds like the warning on a bottle of Benadryl...

Feds/LEO's are offering up the same, repeatedly debunked, BS.  The problem for them is that general public is actually attending to the evidence in front of them rather than the scary picture they've had painted for them.
 
2014-02-27 10:54:40 PM

Prophet of Loss: Tell me, what effect does breathing on a smoggy day have on the body? Oh right, "raise blood pressure and increase heart rate".


Y-eee-ss, and if that happened, would you vehemently argue that pollution/smoggy air didn't contribute to the person's death?

You're not really.. rebutting the point here.

/It's still less dangerous than alcohol.
//It should still be legal in all 50.
 
2014-02-27 11:27:16 PM
I smoked marijuana once and I died and it was horrible I wish I never injected that marijuana into my eyeballs why are the walls melting ohmygod is this real or am I still in my house
 
2014-02-27 11:29:13 PM
Potheads rush to defend their hobby. News at 11.
 
2014-02-27 11:43:17 PM
So it is as dangerous as a taser, basically :)
 
2014-02-28 12:22:57 AM

Smackledorfer: So it is as dangerous as a taser, basically :)


Probably less dangerous than a taser. It's rare people are going to repeatedly shove joints in your mouth once you're on the ground. "STOP RESISTING BEING SERIOUS! MELLOW MORE!" *JOINT JOINT*
 
2014-02-28 12:36:19 AM

Felgraf: Prophet of Loss: Tell me, what effect does breathing on a smoggy day have on the body? Oh right, "raise blood pressure and increase heart rate".

Y-eee-ss, and if that happened, would you vehemently argue that pollution/smoggy air didn't contribute to the person's death?

You're not really.. rebutting the point here.

/It's still less dangerous than alcohol.
//It should still be legal in all 50.


There really was no point to rebut, other than to mock the hyperbole.
 
2014-02-28 01:23:07 AM

Prophet of Loss: Their problem is they have less credibility than stoners right now after a century of bald face lying.


I agree with this completely.  The problem I always had with how pot was portrayed is that it made a thinking person question every other thing that is said about other drugs.

However, the flipside is true also.  How many pro-pot people have stated that it has absolutely no effect on driving or reaction time at all?  Lots.  I've seen people post on Fark that they drive better stoned, partially due to the fact that they drive slower, which is an effect of driving stoned...and for the record driving 10 miles below the speed limit is dangerous as well.  An article that I read talked about how experienced users are used to the feeling and adjust and adapt their driving methods accordingly.  So do drunk people.  If the drug had no effect people would not have to adapt.

I have no horse in this race.  My pot days are long since gone, but I do appreciate all of the tax money that it will generate.  People need to prepare for the bullshiat statistics that will be compiled around pot usage and accidents.  All you need to do is look at how alcohol and tobacco statistics are compiled.  If someone has any (and I mean the smallest measureable amount) of alcohol in their system and they are in a fatal car accident it is an alcohol related accident (per the experts).  Pot will be treated the same way.

//If there was no change to someone getting stoned why would you want to get stoned (aside from medical reasons).
 
2014-02-28 02:27:17 AM
One of my brothers had a classmate who was severely asthmatic and who pushed the recommended limits pretty hard -- stupid, but he was a teenage boy and teenagers think they're immortal. He died after having an asthma attack while smoking pot. I don't remember anyone saying that pot killed him, for the very good reason that it didn't -- the serious health condition which he was not being appropriately cautious about killed him. (Not that this has much to do with pot legalization -- he was under eighteen at the time, which is still illegal wherever you go, I think).
 
2014-02-28 04:00:26 AM

433: When smoked, marijuana can raise blood pressure and increase heart rate, which can lead to stoke, heart attacks...  I am not certain of other forms of use.

Marijuana can be the thing that leads to a death.  It's not at all popular to say that, though.  People don't die from marijuana like one can from alcohol poisoning.  Health problems from pot are often indirect.


Walking around the block, same thing.
 
2014-02-28 07:47:33 AM

Nix Nightbird: Potheads rush to defend their hobby. News at 11.


Well, if anyone attacks random pointless pontificating in threads about subjects you apparently don't care about, I'm sure you'll rush to defend that, too.
 
2014-02-28 09:18:03 AM

433: When smoked, marijuana can raise blood pressure and increase heart rate, which can lead to stoke, heart attacks...  I am not certain of other forms of use.

Marijuana can be the thing that leads to a death.  It's not at all popular to say that, though.  People don't die from marijuana like one can from alcohol poisoning.  Health problems from pot are often indirect.


Marijuana may elevate blood pressure slightly at initial dosing, but actually lowers blood pressure with sustained and chronic use. The lowered blood pressure, in turn, leads to a slightly elevated heart rate. Marijuana generally has a vasodialating effect, although it can act as a vasorestrictor in certain tissues.
The data on marijuana causing strokes are shaky, but a couple of studues have shown that certain chemicals in the plant can actually help prevent cell death after both a stroke or an infarction.
Here is a summary of a bunch of actual studies, complete with references:
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
 
2014-02-28 09:48:01 AM

Nix Nightbird: Potheads rush to defend their hobby. News at 11.


2 deaths, you say?  So, two hundred times fewer deaths than Tylenol?  STOP THE PRESSES - WE'VE GOT A NEW FRONT PAGE STORY!

\and that story would be, 'Marijuana Much Safer Than OTC Pain Reliever Taken By Millions Every Day'.
 
2014-02-28 12:26:31 PM
Pot can kill me due to a severe allergy.
I am all for the legalization
I will just not partake, just like I am not going to take penicillin (also could kill me due to allergies)
You can OD on Water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication ) there is nothing in the world that is 100% safe. Please stop the fear mongering.
 
2014-02-28 02:53:08 PM

433: When smoked performed, marijuana Sex can raise blood pressure and increase heart rate, which can lead to stoke, heart attacks...  I am not certain of other  all forms of use.

Marijuana Sex can be the thing that leads to a death.  It's not at all popular to say that, though.  People don't die from marijuana sex like one can from alcohol poisoning.  Health problems from pot sex are often indirect.


Let's have some fun with this, 433! To really make anti-pot pearl-snatchers sound really ridiculous... I have substituted an equally valid cause of death.

/These Germans are morons.
 
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