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(Anchorage Daily News)   Alaska wants humpback whales removed from pesky endangered species list, proposes re-classifying them as "North Pacific Oil-Tanker Speedbumps"   (adn.com) divider line 7
    More: Stupid, Pacific, Alaska, humpback whales, chemical tanker, Marine Mammal Protection Act, International Whaling Commission, National Marine Fisheries Service, Center for Biological Diversity  
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2014-02-27 02:58:46 PM  
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keypusher: They used to be endangered.  They aren't endangered any more, so the state wants to remove them from the endangered list.

I guess the stupid tag is for subby.


Reading comprehension: It's not just for children anymore.
2014-02-27 05:11:27 PM  
1 votes:
You guys mostly are pretty damn ignorant. I live in Hawaii and have been educated about the whales by friends who are marine biologists. Let me tell you a little about the whales (which are hanging out here now).

The IUCN cites humpback whales as "least concern" because if you add up the numbers of all humpbacks it's pretty good. However, the northern and southern populations don't meet or mix. The southern population is more healthy. The sub population that vacations (breeds and gives birth) here in Hawaii is much recovered compared to the 1950s or 1970s. However, as with all wildlife, there is a shifting baseline - what we call "healthy" is relative to our experience. There almost certainly were many more whales before whaling. The whales are still listed in part because they are not as common a they were before whaling.

Now, with a much healthier population, there is an argument to be made that they should be delisted, but consider the source - fisherman and the oil industry. Also, look to what happened to the wolves when the states were allowed to declare them "recovered" - their populations have fallen significantly as they were turned into just another trophy for hunters. Delisting would also affect other cetacean species which get better protection because people are out there watching over the whales (I mean literally there are people on the hills who count whales and will report you to NOAA and the Feds if you mess with the whales).

At some point, they should be delisted - if it's clear that their population is fully recovered. Otherwise, no, it's not time yet. Let's not hurry to give nature less protection while we are still in the middle of a human-caused mass extinction.
2014-02-27 04:37:23 PM  
1 votes:
How about no? Does no work for you?

"This subpopulation, it's time to delist it," said Doug Vincent-Lang, director of the state Division of Wildlife Conservation.

O rly? I sense someone put in charge of "conservation" who's not really all that big on conservation. Let's see...

Yup. That was easy.

He replaced the previous director, a GOP political appointee who was indicted. He was appointed by the Commissioner of the Fish and Game department, a former commercial fishing lobbyist with a degree in education.  Before this, Vincent-Lang has pushed to remove protections for beluga whales and polar bears.

Then there's Alaska's governor, Parnell, whose administration came up with this gem:

In February 2011 the Parnell administration told a judge that Cook Inlet beluga whales didn't need special protection under the Endangered Species Act because the state would protect them with our coastal management program. Then Parnell and the Alaska Legislature let the state's coastal management program expire on July 1.

How about when it comes to wildlife conservation decisions, the federal government tells the Alaska state government to go fark themselves? That'd be nice.
2014-02-27 02:56:38 PM  
1 votes:
They used to be endangered.  They aren't endangered any more, so the state wants to remove them from the endangered list.

I guess the stupid tag is for subby.
2014-02-27 02:33:16 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: They are a least concern species.  Plenty of them (over 80,000), they haven't been classified as "endangered" since 1988, and they've made a great come-back since the Soviet Union is no longer whaling them illegally, claiming to have caught just 2,710 when in fact they killed 48,721 of them.

Everyone points the finger at Japan, but the real crime was Soviet whaling.  At least the Japanese were honest.


The whale whores could bully the japanee for their scam.

If that guy tried it with the russians, they'd be crab chow.
2014-02-27 02:02:22 PM  
1 votes:
They are a least concern species.  Plenty of them (over 80,000), they haven't been classified as "endangered" since 1988, and they've made a great come-back since the Soviet Union is no longer whaling them illegally, claiming to have caught just 2,710 when in fact they killed 48,721 of them.

Everyone points the finger at Japan, but the real crime was Soviet whaling.  At least the Japanese were honest.
2014-02-27 01:29:30 PM  
1 votes:
Fine, if you want this up your ass then go ahead.

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