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2014-02-27 11:46:28 AM  
That's why it helps to have friends in the industry.  The leads I get come from friends who are happy to work with me, and not machines.
 
2014-02-27 12:41:07 PM  
That has pretty much been my experience with recruiters. The best ones are when they've just looked for languages/technologies keywords - leading to me getting emails for 'Senior Developer' positions during college.
 
2014-02-27 12:51:48 PM  
Simple solution.  You have a group of recruiters you work with and that's it...you ignore the rest.  I have about 30 recruiters that I've worked with for some time...people that have either gotten me good jobs, or presented me (or others I know) with solid opportunities.
 
2014-02-27 01:32:25 PM  
Recruiters can be obnoxious because there are so few of them that know anything about, well anything... and that includes recruiting.
 
2014-02-27 01:46:16 PM  
Every job I've had in the last 10 years was found through someone I know. On the flip side - every employee I've hired in the last 10 years was not found through a recruiter.

/memo to amazon.com recruiting staff: nothing on my resume says "application engineer" so stop badgering me
 
2014-02-27 01:48:51 PM  
This isn't just in tech.  I'm in accounting and I've gotten recruiter LinkedIn mails soliciting temp positions- when it's clear from my LinkedIn that I already have a steady full-time job.  And plenty of just plain generic solicitations for accountants.
 
2014-02-27 01:49:16 PM  
It's like the first day I updated my linkedin to include a few things with the word "design" in them, I get 4-5 e-mails. If they bothered to read further, they'd see that I only have a year of experience and am not a good fit for their sr. Engineer position that requires relocation.
 
2014-02-27 01:52:40 PM  
Those who have skills, work.
Those who don't, recruit.
 
2014-02-27 01:54:56 PM  
My experience as well. The signal to noise ratio has actually made me st3p back a few times. Either job offers nothing to do with my field. Recruitment attempts for the job I just quit. The best have been the random calls from shady sounding companies and people looking for personal I identity information. Trust level is degraded because of this which makes the job searcher hesitant.
 
2014-02-27 01:59:31 PM  

cards fan by association: It's like the first day I updated my linkedin to include a few things with the word "design" in them, I get 4-5 e-mails. If they bothered to read further, they'd see that I only have a year of experience and am not a good fit for their sr. Engineer position that requires relocation.


Farking LinkedIn... a bunch of people I used to work with who are old fogeys with a chip on their shoulder about Microsoft went on my profile and endorsed me in VMWare and Linux Server. Which would be great, except I haven't used ESX since 3.0.3 and 75% of the datacenter I oversee now is Windows installs running Hyper-V clusters.

Now I get offers from recruiters and LinkedIn about virtuzliation jobs in vSphere environments even though I've never farking used vSphere in my life.
 
2014-02-27 02:02:49 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: That has pretty much been my experience with recruiters. The best ones are when they've just looked for languages/technologies keywords - leading to me getting emails for 'Senior Developer' positions during college.


cards fan by association: It's like the first day I updated my linkedin to include a few things with the word "design" in them, I get 4-5 e-mails. If they bothered to read further, they'd see that I only have a year of experience and am not a good fit for their sr. Engineer position that requires relocation.



You also think they're looking for you.  They're not.

You know you're not a fit for the position.  Likely, so do they (or they don't care and are spam-hammering anything in the vicinity).  Even if you applied, they'd filter you out before a human eye ever saw your resume.  However, they know there is a statistically strong probability that you know someone who is suitable for the position, and maybe they're looking for a job.  Most of their strongest candidates don't come from a direct first-hand contact, they come from second-hand "someone forwarded me this email on a job with your company" sources.

You're not a senior developer.  But you probably know senior developers.  And if that sibling/family friend/guy you had a class with three years ago and still have drinks with hates his job, you might think of him and forward the message.  There's only a 1 in 50 chance you'll do it, but you're only 1 of 2,000 people that recruiter spammed about that job req.

It's classless, but it works.
 
2014-02-27 02:15:42 PM  
"I've interviewed [at Google]several times, never gotten a job offer, and now it just feels like they'retaunting me".

Uh yeah, that.  Interviewed 3 times, turned down* 3 times.  Ya know.

It's not that we don't *like* getting pitched.  It's a nice ego-boost, and makes me feel a lot less worried about what happens if/when my current company goes under.  It's that:

Dear meyerkev,
I am looking for a senior Front-End Web Developer to join an innovative award-winning company developing Software-Defined Network solutions for carriers, enterprises, and data centers.
You will be leading a small team developing highly scalable, interactive web sites and mobile web solutions.
Key requirements:
- strong experience with HTML3, CSS3, JavaScript and JS libraries, full development life cycle.
Your LinkedIn profile seems like a good match. I will be happy to answer any specific questions and to provide the full job description and additional information about the company. If interested, can you please reply with some good times/dates and a phone number to reach you?
If not interested, please let me know as well, and I will not ask you again.
Thank you,
[Recruiter Name]


is farking stupid.

No you idiots.  I'm 21.  I'm fresh out of college, "leading" the .75-person devops team by virtue of being the ONLY guy at my company who knows how Ruby, Chef, rabbitmq, celery, (our terrible hacks to integrate chef-solo with) nagios, and all of our AWS EC2 integration with all of that works.  I have no farking experience.   I have NO HTML/CSS/Javascript/Jquery experience, and what little I have makes me want to run away screaming. Why the FARK do you think I want/am remotely qualified for a "senior front-end developer" position leading a team?

Look at my farking Linked-In.  You sent a message to my Linked-In profile.  Look at it.  It's a bunch of C++/Java/Python/Ruby mostly backend/infrastructure stuff combined with some 1-3 person video games I hacked out over a couple of weeks for school because I wanted to play with C++ diamond inheritance.  What exactly makes you think I want a senior front-end developer position?  I'm junior devops, you idiots.

*Correctly.   Google interviews were usually scheduled for that time of year where I was getting maybe 4-5 hours of sleep a day and 0 hours/night because too many projects.  So I went in on no prep while I was supposed to be sleeping.
 
2014-02-27 02:16:09 PM  
Years ago I was contacted by a head hunter about a tech position.  Based on the description of the position, I was absolutely perfect for the job.  Which was no surprise since it was the job I was leaving.  I told her that it was obvious she wasn't doing the most basic function of her job which is to screen the resumes before contacting anyone and that she should never again contact me for any job.
 
2014-02-27 02:16:28 PM  
Don't use recruiting companies... the most they will get you is a shiat temp job for crap money and no benefits. However, they will sell your info to the lowest bidder simply because they can. They are used car salesmen, except in this case, the salesmen don't often sell your credit history so every other car salesmen in the world. So really, they are worse then used car salesmen.
 
2014-02-27 02:22:58 PM  

OgreMagi: Years ago I was contacted by a head hunter about a tech position.  Based on the description of the position, I was absolutely perfect for the job.  Which was no surprise since it was the job I was leaving.


Been through that same door.  I remember back in 1992 being contacted by a farkton of recruiters about a position for which I was the only person withing 300 miles who was qualified with that software.  Why?  Because I farking QUIT that job.  Walked out over unprofessional conduct on the part of one of my co-workers and my manager.

/wasn't going back, they weren't taking me back.  Stop wasting everyone's time.
 
2014-02-27 02:27:22 PM  

OgreMagi: Years ago I was contacted by a head hunter about a tech position.  Based on the description of the position, I was absolutely perfect for the job.  Which was no surprise since it was the job I was leaving.  I told her that it was obvious she wasn't doing the most basic function of her job which is to screen the resumes before contacting anyone and that she should never again contact me for any job.


Haha, a similar thing happened to me when I left my last job.
 
2014-02-27 02:32:51 PM  
I guess I have the opposite opinion... I don't particularly like recruiters, but they are useful.  I've practically never had to "look" for a job... I could get whatever crap job I could get some company for 6 months or so while I was actually looking for a job (and ignoring 90% of recruiter emails).   Yes, the jobs weren't that great usually.  They didn't need to be.  They were simply revenue streams until I could get to a position I wanted to be in, and enough options were usually available that I could avoid the worst traps. I even found a pretty decent position once, and stayed there 3 years.

/ATL
 
2014-02-27 02:33:48 PM  
Step 1. Delete your LinkedIn account and mark all of their email as spam

There is no step 2, you're done dealing with idiot recruiters.
 
2014-02-27 02:34:31 PM  
I am close to an excellent programmer who works at [Ginormous Software Giant]. He has grown tired of the bureaucracy, the length of the commute, the trivial nature of his assignments, the anonymity etc. So he put his resume out on the web, In hours, he was besieged by recruiters. Many of whom were trying to recruit him for [Ginormous Software Giant],

Sisyphus. That's what it is.
 
2014-02-27 02:40:26 PM  
It's easy to blame the recruiters - but it's misguided.

Recruiters get paid when they get people hired.  They work in a fashion that optimizes their returns and, the most cost effective way of doing business for them, is by spamming the heck out of everyone.  It costs them nothing, generates a lot of potential interest, and people do get mildly annoyed, almost nobody is going to turn down a call from a recruiter when they actually are looking for a job.

The underhanded crap they do....like 'tweaking' your resume/CV to match the job more closely?  They do that because companies will throw them out if they don't.  Does that make it right?  No.  Does that make it wrong?  Not really.  Companies keep USING recruiters - and they know they playing fast and loose with the truth.

I obtained my current job through a recruiter.  A sleazy recruiter who tweaked my resume to make me seem like a better fit, and then coached me on some interview questions based on what other candidates had been asked.  I later learn, had he not modified my resume, they wouldn't have interviewed me.  The questions he feed me really did help me at the interview and I ended up getting a job that I CLEARLY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN OTHERWISE.

The recruiter got a big fat check - so he is happy.
I got a job that I wouldn't have gotten - so I'm happy.
And the company got an employee - so they are happy.

Despite the lying and cheating, I've been there for three years now and every indication is that my performance has meet or exceeded their expectations.  And raises/bonuses each year.  Good times.
 
2014-02-27 02:41:29 PM  
I was in the market last November and worked with a recruiter with a nationally known agency. He was ... unimpressive. I have 20 years IT experience and he treated me like I was just out of college. I eventually got a job without any recruiter involved and I'm pretty happy with the new position.
 
2014-02-27 02:55:20 PM  

gingerjet: Every job I've had in the last 10 years was found through someone I know. On the flip side - every employee I've hired in the last 10 years was not found through a recruiter.

/memo to amazon.com recruiting staff: nothing on my resume says "application engineer" so stop badgering me



who you know and who knows you.   or sometimes, who you blow and who blows you.  hopefully, it won't turn into a popularity contest down the road.
 
2014-02-27 02:55:38 PM  
I would estimate I get about 20 inquiries a month about new positions. About 2-3 of them would be worth while to progress on and are from usually local companies and not the scam tech recruiters who try and throw anyone they can at a position they may have heard off. They tend to offer some more money, but I end up losing my flexible hours schedule and the work conditions in most cases aren't as nice. The tech market is actually pretty good right now in most areas once you get 2-3 years experience under the belt. The hard bit is getting there.
 
2014-02-27 02:56:32 PM  

cards fan by association: It's like the first day I updated my linkedin to include a few things with the word "design" in them, I get 4-5 e-mails. If they bothered to read further, they'd see that I only have a year of experience and am not a good fit for their sr. Engineer position that requires relocation.



but they see your future Genius inventions and you don't.
 
2014-02-27 02:58:22 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Those who have skills, work.
Those who don't, recruit.



and those who don't work or recruit get replaced by imported, less expensive employees who don't need piss breaks or health insurance.
 
2014-02-27 02:59:11 PM  

Linux_Yes: who you know and who knows you.   or sometimes, who you blow and who blows you.  hopefully, it won't turn into a popularity contest down the road.


I only hired one guy who blew me.  He's an awesome engineer.  Lousy at blow jobs.
 
2014-02-27 02:59:31 PM  
I get a lot of emails from recruiters, not quite the one a day the guys in TFA are getting but at least a couple a week.  Thing is, I want them - I am in desperate need of a job but none of them have been able to deliver.  About 15 out of the hundreds have landed me an interview but I can't seem to get hired for love or money.  That may have something to do with being in infrastructure rather than software but it's been almost a year and I'm really getting worried.
 
2014-02-27 03:03:56 PM  

meyerkev: "I've interviewed [at Google]several times, never gotten a job offer, and now it just feels like they'retaunting me".

Uh yeah, that.  Interviewed 3 times, turned down* 3 times.  Ya know.

It's not that we don't *like* getting pitched.  It's a nice ego-boost, and makes me feel a lot less worried about what happens if/when my current company goes under.  It's that:

Dear meyerkev,
I am looking for a senior Front-End Web Developer to join an innovative award-winning company developing Software-Defined Network solutions for carriers, enterprises, and data centers.
You will be leading a small team developing highly scalable, interactive web sites and mobile web solutions.
Key requirements:
- strong experience with HTML3, CSS3, JavaScript and JS libraries, full development life cycle.
Your LinkedIn profile seems like a good match. I will be happy to answer any specific questions and to provide the full job description and additional information about the company. If interested, can you please reply with some good times/dates and a phone number to reach you?
If not interested, please let me know as well, and I will not ask you again.
Thank you,
[Recruiter Name]

is farking stupid.

No you idiots.  I'm 21.  I'm fresh out of college, "leading" the .75-person devops team by virtue of being the ONLY guy at my company who knows how Ruby, Chef, rabbitmq, celery, (our terrible hacks to integrate chef-solo with) nagios, and all of our AWS EC2 integration with all of that works.  I have no farking experience.   I have NO HTML/CSS/Javascript/Jquery experience, and what little I have makes me want to run away screaming. Why the FARK do you think I want/am remotely qualified for a "senior front-end developer" position leading a team?

Look at my farking Linked-In.  You sent a message to my Linked-In profile.  Look at it.  It's a bunch of C++/Java/Python/Ruby mostly backend/infrastructure stuff combined with some 1-3 person video games I hacked out over a couple of weeks for school be ...



dude, they're looking for Fresh Meat.    they're investing in what you can do soon, not necessarily now.  its the 40+ folks who have to worry about keeping their jobs and keeping recuiters happy.  you can tell them to eat sh*t......for now.

in 'merica, its about Youth.
 
2014-02-27 03:09:11 PM  

meyerkev: "I've interviewed [at Google]several times, never gotten a job offer, and now it just feels like they'retaunting me".

Uh yeah, that.  Interviewed 3 times, turned down* 3 times.  Ya know.

It's not that we don't *like* getting pitched.  It's a nice ego-boost, and makes me feel a lot less worried about what happens if/when my current company goes under.  It's that:

Dear meyerkev,
I am looking for a senior Front-End Web Developer to join an innovative award-winning company developing Software-Defined Network solutions for carriers, enterprises, and data centers.
You will be leading a small team developing highly scalable, interactive web sites and mobile web solutions.
Key requirements:
- strong experience with HTML3, CSS3, JavaScript and JS libraries, full development life cycle.
Your LinkedIn profile seems like a good match. I will be happy to answer any specific questions and to provide the full job description and additional information about the company. If interested, can you please reply with some good times/dates and a phone number to reach you?
If not interested, please let me know as well, and I will not ask you again.
Thank you,
[Recruiter Name]

is farking stupid.

No you idiots.  I'm 21.  I'm fresh out of college, "leading" the .75-person devops team by virtue of being the ONLY guy at my company who knows how Ruby, Chef, rabbitmq, celery, (our terrible hacks to integrate chef-solo with) nagios, and all of our AWS EC2 integration with all of that works.  I have no farking experience.   I have NO HTML/CSS/Javascript/Jquery experience, and what little I have makes me want to run away screaming. Why the FARK do you think I want/am remotely qualified for a "senior front-end developer" position leading a team?

Look at my farking Linked-In.  You sent a message to my Linked-In profile.  Look at it.  It's a bunch of C++/Java/Python/Ruby mostly backend/infrastructure stuff combined with some 1-3 person video games I hacked out over a couple of weeks for school be ...



the thing with Google is they will f*ck you good (they do use top of the line lube, though) and steal your soul, but they'll cum buckets of money if you get some time in, and it looks great on a resume. the wow factor is great.

but don't expect to have any free time.  your ass is theirs or you will be replaced.  Google will be your girlfriend.

its called Capitalism.
 
2014-02-27 03:15:30 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Don't use recruiting companies... the most they will get you is a shiat temp job for crap money and no benefits. However, they will sell your info to the lowest bidder simply because they can. They are used car salesmen, except in this case, the salesmen don't often sell your credit history so every other car salesmen in the world. So really, they are worse then used car salesmen.



yea, the best jobs don't include head hunters.  they are an unnecessary middle man.  leeches in some ways.
 
2014-02-27 03:15:36 PM  
Using a recruiter is like buying a car at a dealershi; to enjoy it you have to know the game.  I get way more opportunities with a recruiter, but I have to filter them and the recruiter may take more than one time being told no.  And when I want to look, I call recruiters I know. Sure they send me positions when I'm not looking.  And I say that I am not looking.  But when I contact them it is a different deal altogether.

Fark_Guy_Rob: I obtained my current job through a recruiter. A sleazy recruiter who tweaked my resume to make me seem like a better fit, and then coached me on some interview questions based on what other candidates had been asked. I later learn, had he not modified my resume, they wouldn't have interviewed me. The questions he feed me really did help me at the interview and I ended up getting a job that I CLEARLY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN OTHERWISE.


I'm now included in the interview process, where I am currently contracting, for junior and mid level developers.  I would rather have this ^ happen then what I'm seeing, which is that clearly NO ONE has read the damn resume before they sent it to me.  Spelling errors, typos and (fark you very much pretentious candidate) 9-13 page resumes.  I had  two from one company that clearly were copied from each other.  They were H1A candidates (which made them NOT candidates based on company rules for our area) that were from the same place.  They had listed some of the same places at the exact same times.  Yeah I get that sometimes you get help on a resume.  But when 75% of the resume is copy/pasta typos and all, the recruiter should catch that a little.

My recruiters ask me to tweak my resume from time to time.  They have never asked me to lie, just change the order of things or the format.  I consider that a sign that they are actually working for me.
 
2014-02-27 03:20:51 PM  

postnobills: I get a lot of emails from recruiters, not quite the one a day the guys in TFA are getting but at least a couple a week.  Thing is, I want them - I am in desperate need of a job but none of them have been able to deliver.  About 15 out of the hundreds have landed me an interview but I can't seem to get hired for love or money.  That may have something to do with being in infrastructure rather than software but it's been almost a year and I'm really getting worried.



all those tax cuts for the wealthy/big business folks over the last 30 years have really paid off in job creation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g&list=PLfLRo1Q-oUY2BA6oGSL G- cse5KDR-HkrA    (SFW)
 
2014-02-27 03:27:00 PM  

Linux_Yes: postnobills: I get a lot of emails from recruiters, not quite the one a day the guys in TFA are getting but at least a couple a week.  Thing is, I want them - I am in desperate need of a job but none of them have been able to deliver.  About 15 out of the hundreds have landed me an interview but I can't seem to get hired for love or money.  That may have something to do with being in infrastructure rather than software but it's been almost a year and I'm really getting worried.


all those tax cuts for the wealthy/big business folks over the last 30 years have really paid off in job creation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g&list=PLfLRo1Q-oUY2BA6oGSL G- cse5KDR-HkrA    (SFW)


You're preaching to the choir, my friend. I don't actually want to go back to the corporate world, but I have no idea what else to do.
 
2014-02-27 03:29:32 PM  

gingerjet: /memo to amazon.com recruiting staff: nothing on my resume says "application engineer" so stop badgering me


It's not just Amazon that does this.  It's outsourced IT recruiting to India.  They do a keyword search for something obscure than bug you via e-mail or phone.  I've taken local recruiters to task for not bothering to read my resume and send me some obscure thing I had on my resume 10 years ago.  A GOOD recruiter will actually take the time to read your resume or linkedin profile before contacting you.  They'll know what level you're at based on your skills so they won't bother you with something that's below your skills or wage level.  The rest of them?  They can fark off.
 
2014-02-27 03:45:54 PM  

Linux_Yes: its the 40+ folks who have to worry about keeping their jobs and keeping recuiters happy. you can tell them to eat sh*t......for now.

in 'merica, its about Youth.



Supply and Demand will trump that. I'm 53, and since there's apparently a severe shortage of experienced people in my field in this geographical region right now, I get pestered a couple times a week by recruiters. When I changed jobs 18 months ago, I had 4 offers to choose from after searching about 3 weeks.
 
2014-02-27 03:59:38 PM  
The Groupon recruiter should have known not only who DHH was, but also that he's a dick and you don't want him working for you.
 
2014-02-27 04:14:37 PM  
I get about 5-10 emails a week due to my experience working with Nortel and Avaya PBX systems, but not one is local, and I'm not moving to Podunk Arkansas for a 6 month contract position when I already have a decent job.
 
2014-02-27 04:19:15 PM  
I am stuck in this position at the moment.  I have an interview tomorrow for one job and a recruiter telling me that I pretty much have another job that pays more.  I've been told that by recruiters more than once so I have little faith in them.
 
2014-02-27 04:36:03 PM  
Dear Sir and/or Madam,

I see you have experience in this obscure POS that you would never again touch if your life depended on it and this other obscure POS that gives you night sweats just thinking about it. We're looking to fill a position that just happens to deal with these exact technologies and think you would be perfect for this position.

It's with an unnamed cutting edge company that I'm sure you would love working for, for an indeterminate contract length with the possibility of extension!

Please contact me back ASAP!


This is pretty much all the recruiter emails I get on linked in. If it was a job that was challenging that people actually wanted, they would not need a recruiter to find people, people would find it.
 
2014-02-27 04:41:42 PM  
a job market desperate for coders, developers, developers, developers, designers, and engineers.

// something was wrong with the article, so I fixed it
 
2014-02-27 04:42:27 PM  
I've been getting ones for positions in the midwest that actually include the line "candidate is responsible for thier own relocation expenses".  I replied to him saying don't waste my time offering positions in BFE that do not offer relocation compensation;  if they are that desperate for talent they can pay the additional money to move my ass out there (I think i was bit more polite).  the spam has decreased since then.
 
2014-02-27 04:44:23 PM  
Yeah, recruiters are garbage, especially the cold callers.

"Yeah, we think you're a great fit"
"What's the salary"
"Competitive!"
"What's competitive?"
"33K"
"Per month?"
"No, per year"
"Sorry, that's what I paid in taxes last year. Good luck."
 
2014-02-27 04:56:07 PM  

lordargent: a job market desperate for coders, developers, developers, developers, designers, and engineers.

// something was wrong with the article, so I fixed it



developers developers developers developers   (4 of 'em, not 3)   (see, the Open Source method actually works!)
 
2014-02-27 05:07:39 PM  
FTFA:In the case of a filled job, recruiters get a hefty cut (sometimes as high as 30 percent, one told me) of the filled position's salary.

Dirtbag recruiters make 30%. The major mass-market firms charge 50%. Every time I have to stoop to using a recruiter to fill a position, I realize I'm in completely the wrong field.
 
2014-02-27 05:13:06 PM  
Why is it that 90% of the pings I get from Linked-In are from real people with opportunities that actually interest me? I dont get it. Maybe it's because I keep my LI profile pretty lean. If you read it, you can see what I offer, but there are not a lot of keywords in there. Maybe it's because I'm so senior now that there just aren't as many opportunities at that level?

Two of these recruiting attempts were timed right and intriguing enough that I followed through with the interview. The offers were great, but not enough to pull me away from a job I like, but was able to leverage a promotion and raise, and am still happy and performing well at the same company for 5 years now. Every couple of years, it's nice to pull a 15% bump on top of the normal merit stuff. All that, and I get to work a short 20 minute bike ride from my office, and go on a training ride at lunch -- part of the reason I stay here is because I'm so close to home (compared to most people in Austin).
 
2014-02-27 05:25:19 PM  
When my wife lost her job, she has a couple agencies to help her find a new job. It was a bit difficult, since we decided to use the opportunity to relocate from Chicago, IL to Irvine, CA.

The recruiters were worthless. She had a couple interviews based on networking with friends and took a job she wasn't that thrilled about that she found via Monster. The day before she started, she received a call from someone she connected with on LinkedIn and had an impromptu phone interview. In the 10 weeks she worked at a job she hated, she managed to carve out time for four interviews with the other company and got a job there making 25% more, doing something she enjoys and with awesome benefits.

I've been with the same company for 13 years based on an ad I found on "Hotjobs" in 2000 when it was still owned by Yahoo. I never left because they keep promoting me, let me work from home, let me take my job to whatever state I feel like living in and they're one of the few private companies I know of that still offers a Pension.

I have no idea what I'm going to do when it's time to look for something new.
 
2014-02-27 05:51:22 PM  
Between weird recruitment offers and start up companies that won't understand my lack of enthusiasm to take a pay cut to jump on-board, I'm starting to think I'll be a "contract" employee for the rest of my life.  Anyone else remember when 6 months with a temp agency was a shockingly long time?   It's been ten years...

/so agile I don't need anyone else to screw me over anymore...
 
2014-02-27 05:52:24 PM  
I like recruiters...they're working for me...because they want me to get the position.

I don't do direct to HR anymore...they live for themselves and could care less about the job or you.
All you get back are nice letters saying, "Thank you for applying..."

I also don't go to recruitment fairs anymore...again, they are run by HR, so they could care less.

I want results.
Someone hustling for me...trying to get that phone screen...trying to get that in-person interview...giving you feedback...and so on.
They want to get paid...and you do too.

And I do get 30 a day...so I filter through them, delete what I don't want or like or I'm not qualified for.
But, there is a certain percentage that fits...then see if the recruiter is legit.

And some aren't...but that's the game.

BTW...I don't talk to recruiters with thick accents...not because I'm racist,
but from personal experience, those with heavy accents work for fly-by-night cheating companies.
Those that speak clearly...and in human, they tend to work for more legit firms.  (why? I don't know)

And even if I'm working FT...it's nice to see those come through, sometimes I turn them around to PT off-hours remote work.
Extra resources for extra fun (or bills)  Plus you may be able to charge more per hour since it's ad-hoc.

Recruiters are like agents...some good, some bad...ignore those that you don't want to talk too.
Change your damn business email if you don't want all of them in your typical set.
Hell, I have one for personal, one for my alias, one for junk, one for my business, one for work, one for recruiting.  (they're free dammit)

I'd rather have them around when I don't need them...than not be around when I DO need them.

And if you don't want the damn job...forward it to your friend that does.
 
2014-02-27 06:16:23 PM  

poot_rootbeer: The Groupon recruiter should have known not only who DHH was, but also that he's a dick and you don't want him working for you.


Came here to say this
 
2014-02-27 06:46:25 PM  
I keep getting calls for 3rd line support jobs for half my current salary (I'm an IT security consultant) at one of the larger yet lesser thought of IT management service providers. I keep laughing at the recruiters, then explaining that they keep poaching our 1st line support guys for their 3rd line support. It's not as if they poach the good ones either.

Stupid keyword searching monkeys with a copy of a 4 year old CV.
 
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