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2014-02-27 10:20:31 AM  
Why is this not plywood?
 
2014-02-27 10:22:08 AM  
I found it, you guys!  I found the Cross-Laminated Timber (CLT)!
www.popsci.com
 
2014-02-27 10:22:33 AM  
Got WOOD?!?!?

keekles.org
 
2014-02-27 10:26:44 AM  
Fun Fact: Tokyo was once built of wood. I wonder what happened to it?
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-27 10:28:45 AM  
A thick plank of wood will char on the outside, sealing the wood inside from damage. Metal, on the other hand, begins to melt. "Steel, when it burns, it's like spaghetti," says B.J. Yeh, the technical services director for APA-the Engineered Wood Association.

There's so much stupid in those sentences right there, I don't know where to begin.
 
2014-02-27 10:29:21 AM  
I have a massive edifice of wood. If you get real close and shut one eye.

I can hardly wait until the PRC starts exporting this to us. Delamination at 30 stories.
 
2014-02-27 10:29:24 AM  
Wood will never replace steel.  Carbon nanotubes will replace steel
 
2014-02-27 10:29:53 AM  

cgraves67: Fun Fact: Tokyo was once built of wood. I wonder what happened to it?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x233]


No need to go further than Chicago to make your point.
i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2014-02-27 10:29:54 AM  
Well, if you say so.
timeentertainment.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-27 10:32:09 AM  
CLT is real. Once you learn how to use it properly a whole new world opens up.  But you can't just grab it and go banging and nailing willy nilly.  You gotta plan, evaluate the terrain, inspect the ground up close and build a proper foundation before you go laying the CLT down.
 
2014-02-27 10:32:52 AM  

pheelix: cgraves67: Fun Fact: Tokyo was once built of wood. I wonder what happened to it?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x233]

No need to go further than Chicago to make your point.


I could also go with London 1666, but I thought a picture of an actual city burning would be more visceral.
 
2014-02-27 10:33:14 AM  
First thing I thought of:

i1.cpcache.com
 
2014-02-27 10:33:42 AM  

Buggar: CLT is real. Once you learn how to use it properly a whole new world opens up.  But you can't just grab it and go banging and nailing willy nilly.  You gotta plan, evaluate the terrain, inspect the ground up close and build a proper foundation before you go laying the CLT down.


The only thing that will make CLT popular is if steel prices skyrocket.
 
2014-02-27 10:37:44 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Buggar: CLT is real. Once you learn how to use it properly a whole new world opens up.  But you can't just grab it and go banging and nailing willy nilly.  You gotta plan, evaluate the terrain, inspect the ground up close and build a proper foundation before you go laying the CLT down.

The only thing that will make CLT popular is if steel prices skyrocket

poplar is Salicaceae. 

Fixed that for yew.
 
2014-02-27 10:38:39 AM  
www.finewoodworking.com

Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.

I'm still betting on rammed earth construction making significant inroads through poor countries. What's cheaper than dirt? Adobe/cobb construction will probably increase as well. They're good techniques for tornado and wind prone areas, but probably not a good choice for flood prone areas like Florida.

It's an interesting time in construction after decades of glass, concrete, and steel.
 
2014-02-27 10:39:08 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Buggar: CLT is real. Once you learn how to use it properly a whole new world opens up.  But you can't just grab it and go banging and nailing willy nilly.  You gotta plan, evaluate the terrain, inspect the ground up close and build a proper foundation before you go laying the CLT down.

The only thing that will make CLT popular is if steel prices skyrocket.



That would make for a delightful afternoon.  Strolling through "the woods".
 
2014-02-27 10:39:21 AM  
Best thing about it is it weighs the same as a duck.
content6.flixster.com
/and it can be made earthquake-proof by employing sheep's bladders
 
2014-02-27 10:39:24 AM  
Straw mixed with mud makes an excellent building material.
 
2014-02-27 10:39:43 AM  
This is actually pretty cool. I'd take the carbon-neutrality claims with a grain of salt,  since the process for making them isn't carbon-neutral, and any calculation of net-carbon is meaningless unless it takes about six thousand variously related factors into account. Actually, it saves time just to disbelieve every claim anyone makes for carbon neutrality. But I can believe it'd still be better than the alternatives.

What happens when you need to put a doorway in somewhere? Can you just hack through it with an axe?
 
2014-02-27 10:39:47 AM  
isn't this how Noah managed to build a 500 foot long ark?  That's what Ken Ham told me during the debate.
 
2014-02-27 10:42:06 AM  

semiotix: This is actually pretty cool. I'd take the carbon-neutrality claims with a grain of salt,  since the process for making them isn't carbon-neutral, and any calculation of net-carbon is meaningless unless it takes about six thousand variously related factors into account. Actually, it saves time just to disbelieve every claim anyone makes for carbon neutrality. But I can believe it'd still be better than the alternatives.

What happens when you need to put a doorway in somewhere? Can you just hack through it with an axe?


We switched over to chainsaws after Paul Bunyon was beaten by that steam saw.
 
2014-02-27 10:45:09 AM  
Most city codes are written so that a wood framed building can't be more than 4 stories. So...yeah good luck getting them to change that within the next 20 years
 
2014-02-27 10:45:43 AM  

cgraves67: Fun Fact: Tokyo was once built of wood. I wonder what happened to it?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x233]


static.lolyard.com

Hint: It ain't wood.
 
2014-02-27 10:46:32 AM  

Mose: A thick plank of wood will char on the outside, sealing the wood inside from damage. Metal, on the other hand, begins to melt. "Steel, when it burns, it's like spaghetti," says B.J. Yeh, the technical services director for APA-the Engineered Wood Association.

There's so much stupid in those sentences right there, I don't know where to begin.


I grant the guy's job is to shill for the industry.  But, bearing in mind that most of us don't know you, what credentials and expertise do you have over this guy?
 
2014-02-27 10:49:15 AM  

cgraves67: pheelix: cgraves67: Fun Fact: Tokyo was once built of wood. I wonder what happened to it?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x233]

No need to go further than Chicago to make your point.

I could also go with London 1666, but I thought a picture of an actual city burning would be more visceral.


Yeah I was gonna say: wait a few years for the Followup tag and a headline that ends with "This is not a repeat from 1666."
 
2014-02-27 10:51:17 AM  

croesius: cgraves67: Fun Fact: Tokyo was once built of wood. I wonder what happened to it?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x233]

[static.lolyard.com image 600x720]

Hint: It ain't wood.


Korean ears? Or noses?
 
2014-02-27 10:51:47 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.


Without knowing what I'm looking for, all I could find for sure on Google was laminated beams.  Could you provide a relevant link?  I'm interested.
 
2014-02-27 10:52:57 AM  

brimed03: Mose: A thick plank of wood will char on the outside, sealing the wood inside from damage. Metal, on the other hand, begins to melt. "Steel, when it burns, it's like spaghetti," says B.J. Yeh, the technical services director for APA-the Engineered Wood Association.

There's so much stupid in those sentences right there, I don't know where to begin.

I grant the guy's job is to shill for the industry.  But, bearing in mind that most of us don't know you, what credentials and expertise do you have over this guy?


BS mechanical engineering, MS fire protection engineering, 4 years as a full time firefighter, 8 years as a volunteer firefighter, 10 years professional fire protection engineering experience specializing in the performance of fire sprinklers.
 
2014-02-27 10:54:29 AM  
semiotix: What happens when you need to put a doorway in somewhere? Can you just hack through it with an axe?

I can just hear 1,000 architects and engineers somewhere stopping what they're doing, looking around, and saying "...gottdammit."

/yes, I can hear them looking around.  I'm the gottdamm Batman.
 
2014-02-27 10:55:07 AM  

thecpt: Most city codes are written so that a wood framed building can't be more than 4 stories. So...yeah good luck getting them to change that within the next 20 years


That was covered in tfa.
 
2014-02-27 10:56:10 AM  

brimed03: The Irresponsible Captain: Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.

Without knowing what I'm looking for, all I could find for sure on Google was laminated beams.  Could you provide a relevant link?  I'm interested.


You poor thing, you can't find CLT?  Just do a GIS for CLT and you'll see a few diagrams and pictures that will help you more easily recognize it in the future.
 
2014-02-27 10:56:29 AM  
www.outsidethebeltway.com
 
2014-02-27 10:56:59 AM  

Mose: A thick plank of wood will char on the outside, sealing the wood inside from damage. Metal, on the other hand, begins to melt. "Steel, when it burns, it's like spaghetti," says B.J. Yeh, the technical services director for APA-the Engineered Wood Association.

There's so much stupid in those sentences right there, I don't know where to begin.


But he's got a cool name.

What's your name?
BJ
BJ?
Yeh
 
2014-02-27 10:57:17 AM  

Buggar: brimed03: The Irresponsible Captain: Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.

Without knowing what I'm looking for, all I could find for sure on Google was laminated beams.  Could you provide a relevant link?  I'm interested.

You poor thing, you can't find CLT?  Just do a GIS for CLT and you'll see a few diagrams and pictures that will help you more easily recognize it in the future.


That the problem.....even with a diagram most guys can't find the CLT..
 
2014-02-27 10:58:57 AM  

Mose: brimed03: Mose: A thick plank of wood will char on the outside, sealing the wood inside from damage. Metal, on the other hand, begins to melt. "Steel, when it burns, it's like spaghetti," says B.J. Yeh, the technical services director for APA-the Engineered Wood Association.

There's so much stupid in those sentences right there, I don't know where to begin.

I grant the guy's job is to shill for the industry.  But, bearing in mind that most of us don't know you, what credentials and expertise do you have over this guy?

BS mechanical engineering, MS fire protection engineering, 4 years as a full time firefighter, 8 years as a volunteer firefighter, 10 years professional fire protection engineering experience specializing in the performance of fire sprinklers.


Cool.  So you're a burning wood expert.  I really hope you can make campfires, because that'd be really embarrassing if not.

"Mose, don't you do this shiat for a living?"

"Shaddup, I'm usually trying to put the damn things out."
 
2014-02-27 11:00:59 AM  

Buggar: brimed03: The Irresponsible Captain: Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.

Without knowing what I'm looking for, all I could find for sure on Google was laminated beams.  Could you provide a relevant link?  I'm interested.

You poor thing, you can't find CLT?  Just do a GIS for CLT and you'll see a few diagrams and pictures that will help you more easily recognize it in the future.


The fun part is knowing that, before posting, you did exactly that just to make sure you didn't sound like some jerk idiot.

/didn't work
 
2014-02-27 11:01:54 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I have a massive edifice of wood. If you get real close and shut one eye.

I can hardly wait until the PRC starts exporting this to us. Delamination at 30 stories.


What is best in life?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the delamination of their cities.
 
2014-02-27 11:02:09 AM  

ChipNASA: Buggar: brimed03: The Irresponsible Captain: Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.

Without knowing what I'm looking for, all I could find for sure on Google was laminated beams.  Could you provide a relevant link?  I'm interested.

You poor thing, you can't find CLT?  Just do a GIS for CLT and you'll see a few diagrams and pictures that will help you more easily recognize it in the future.

That the problem.....even with a diagram most guys can't find the CLT..


Truth be told, I've only see it from these pictures on the internet myself.  I've handled plenty of plywood, OSB, and laminated timbers, and while they may be similar, they aren't the same.  I would be surprised if it isn't 16 years before I see CLT in person.
 
2014-02-27 11:02:10 AM  

croesius: cgraves67: Fun Fact: Tokyo was once built of wood. I wonder what happened to it?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x233]

[static.lolyard.com image 600x720]

Hint: It ain't wood.


Crazy, how tsunami waves generated off Japan's north-eastern coast devastated a city in the south-west. Next time there's an earthquake in California, folks in New England better seek higher ground quick.
 
2014-02-27 11:03:07 AM  

Mose: brimed03: Mose: A thick plank of wood will char on the outside, sealing the wood inside from damage. Metal, on the other hand, begins to melt. "Steel, when it burns, it's like spaghetti," says B.J. Yeh, the technical services director for APA-the Engineered Wood Association.

There's so much stupid in those sentences right there, I don't know where to begin.

I grant the guy's job is to shill for the industry.  But, bearing in mind that most of us don't know you, what credentials and expertise do you have over this guy?

BS mechanical engineering, MS fire protection engineering, 4 years as a full time firefighter, 8 years as a volunteer firefighter, 10 years professional fire protection engineering experience specializing in the performance of fire sprinklers.


show off
 
2014-02-27 11:03:33 AM  
www.popsci.com

ad009cdnb.archdaily.net
 
2014-02-27 11:05:17 AM  

brimed03: Mose: A thick plank of wood will char on the outside, sealing the wood inside from damage. Metal, on the other hand, begins to melt. "Steel, when it burns, it's like spaghetti," says B.J. Yeh, the technical services director for APA-the Engineered Wood Association.

There's so much stupid in those sentences right there, I don't know where to begin.

I grant the guy's job is to shill for the industry.  But, bearing in mind that most of us don't know you, what credentials and expertise do you have over this guy?



Let's see, who should I listen to, a registered Professional Engineer with PhD from Berkley or a farker with a GED in buildingology?
 
2014-02-27 11:07:15 AM  
FTA:
- Shoreditch suffered heavily during the blitz of World War II-"urban renewal, compliments of the Luftwaffe," Waugh says.
- Instead of building the tower from scratch on-site, Waugh said, it was more like assembling a piece of furniture. "The instructions are like Ikea but a little more straightforward, and the names are more pleasant."

So what's this guy's Fark handle?
 
2014-02-27 11:08:14 AM  

ChipNASA: Buggar: brimed03: The Irresponsible Captain: Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.

Without knowing what I'm looking for, all I could find for sure on Google was laminated beams.  Could you provide a relevant link?  I'm interested.

You poor thing, you can't find CLT?  Just do a GIS for CLT and you'll see a few diagrams and pictures that will help you more easily recognize it in the future.

That the problem.....even with a diagram most guys can't find the CLT..


No it's the mysterious 'G-spot' that can only be found with a map and compass and some sort of newfangled GPS (G-spot position spectrometer or something like that)... the CLT can be found by any guy just by stumbling around the general vicinity.

//but once you do find the G-spot you feel like the king shiat of fark island for days.
 
2014-02-27 11:09:00 AM  

Mose: brimed03: Mose: A thick plank of wood will char on the outside, sealing the wood inside from damage. Metal, on the other hand, begins to melt. "Steel, when it burns, it's like spaghetti," says B.J. Yeh, the technical services director for APA-the Engineered Wood Association.

There's so much stupid in those sentences right there, I don't know where to begin.

I grant the guy's job is to shill for the industry.  But, bearing in mind that most of us don't know you, what credentials and expertise do you have over this guy?

BS mechanical engineering, MS fire protection engineering, 4 years as a full time firefighter, 8 years as a volunteer firefighter, 10 years professional fire protection engineering experience specializing in the performance of fire sprinklers.


Or, you might just happen to know that steel melts at ~2500F and that wood typically burns somewhere before that.  "Searing" is all well and good, but 2500F good?
 
2014-02-27 11:09:28 AM  

brimed03: Buggar: brimed03: The Irresponsible Captain: Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.

Without knowing what I'm looking for, all I could find for sure on Google was laminated beams.  Could you provide a relevant link?  I'm interested.

You poor thing, you can't find CLT?  Just do a GIS for CLT and you'll see a few diagrams and pictures that will help you more easily recognize it in the future.

The fun part is knowing that, before posting, you did exactly that just to make sure you didn't sound like some jerk idiot.

/didn't work


Well you were obviously searching for it in the wrong way.  Don't get mad at me cause you're looking in all the wrong places.
 
2014-02-27 11:10:21 AM  

Buggar: ChipNASA: Buggar: brimed03: The Irresponsible Captain: Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.

Without knowing what I'm looking for, all I could find for sure on Google was laminated beams.  Could you provide a relevant link?  I'm interested.

You poor thing, you can't find CLT?  Just do a GIS for CLT and you'll see a few diagrams and pictures that will help you more easily recognize it in the future.

That the problem.....even with a diagram most guys can't find the CLT..

Truth be told, I've only see it from these pictures on the internet myself.  I've handled plenty of plywood, OSB, and laminated timbers, and while they may be similar, they aren't the same.  I would be surprised if it isn't 16 years before I see CLT in person.


Damn.  Too easy.  You take all the fun out of it.

/The rest of us will be surprised if it only takes you 16 years to see CLT in person
 
2014-02-27 11:11:43 AM  
The logs in my fireplace char up on the outside, protecting the wood inside.
 
2014-02-27 11:14:31 AM  

Buggar: brimed03: Buggar: brimed03: The Irresponsible Captain: Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.

Without knowing what I'm looking for, all I could find for sure on Google was laminated beams.  Could you provide a relevant link?  I'm interested.

You poor thing, you can't find CLT?  Just do a GIS for CLT and you'll see a few diagrams and pictures that will help you more easily recognize it in the future.

The fun part is knowing that, before posting, you did exactly that just to make sure you didn't sound like some jerk idiot.

/didn't work

Well you were obviously searching for it in the wrong way.  Don't get mad at me cause you're looking in all the wrong places.


I had Google-searched "cross-laminated timber."  Forgive me for not being so bright as to think of using the less-specific abbreviation.
 
2014-02-27 11:15:21 AM  

brimed03: Buggar: ChipNASA: Buggar: brimed03: The Irresponsible Captain: Interesting. Personally, I'm hoping that laminate beams will revive timber frame construction. The solid wood panels have some advantages that were missed. They insulate better than steel and wood, they flex more than concrete without breaking.

Without knowing what I'm looking for, all I could find for sure on Google was laminated beams.  Could you provide a relevant link?  I'm interested.

You poor thing, you can't find CLT?  Just do a GIS for CLT and you'll see a few diagrams and pictures that will help you more easily recognize it in the future.

That the problem.....even with a diagram most guys can't find the CLT..

Truth be told, I've only see it from these pictures on the internet myself.  I've handled plenty of plywood, OSB, and laminated timbers, and while they may be similar, they aren't the same.  I would be surprised if it isn't 16 years before I see CLT in person.

Damn.  Too easy.  You take all the fun out of it.

/The rest of us will be surprised if it only takes you 16 years to see CLT in person


Hey we're all in the same boat and you know it.  Just some pictures and something we've heard about on the internet that sounds cool.
 
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