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(The Motley Fool)   Why Marvel's upcoming "Guardians of the Galaxy" will be a box-office flop   (fool.com) divider line 291
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2014-02-27 08:15:17 AM  
Because it's a niche comic book, with no characters in it that fans of the other films would know, and its budget is so high that it has to be a blockbuster to make it's money back.
 
2014-02-27 08:22:25 AM  
I just heard on NPR this morning that success is essentially random, so it could be big.
 
2014-02-27 08:32:26 AM  
What the hell is Guardians of the Galaxy? I'm a huge nerd and I have only a passing conception of such a comic.

On the other hand, I'd pay $50 to see the Deadpool movie.
 
2014-02-27 08:42:17 AM  
I have never read a single comic featuring a character from GotG. I will be there opening weekend.
 
2014-02-27 08:48:39 AM  

WTF Indeed: Because it's a niche comic book, with no characters in it that fans of the other films would know, and its budget is so high that it has to be a blockbuster to make it's money back.


I don't get that line of thinking.

Did people know the Ghostbusters before that film was released? Marty McFly and Doc? Woody and Buzz?

No one in their right mind would create a film for comic book fans. There are only about 250,000 of them left. So it doesn't really matter if no one read the comics, because no one reads comics.

And, to be honest, the trailer is interesting enough to pull people in. That's all that matters.
 
2014-02-27 08:52:54 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: I don't get that line of thinking.

Did people know the Ghostbusters before that film was released? Marty McFly and Doc? Woody and Buzz?

No one in their right mind would create a film for comic book fans. There are only about 250,000 of them left. So it doesn't really matter if no one read the comics, because no one reads comics.

And, to be honest, the trailer is interesting enough to pull people in. That's all that matters


The bottom line of those movies were smaller. When you drop $200m on production plus $75-80m on promotion you need to make your money back. Those movies were also brand new ideas to moviegoers. Another comic book movie at this point is just exactly like a studio releasing another Rom Com.
 
2014-02-27 08:57:16 AM  
I think it'll make a farkton of money.
 
2014-02-27 08:58:53 AM  
Meh, I remember the predictions that Avatar was going to be the most expensive flop in movie history. You never really know what's going to happen until you start getting people in theaters and word of mouth beings circulating.
 
2014-02-27 09:00:54 AM  
It looks like a fun movie, I will see it in theaters, and I couldn't give less of a shiat how much money it makes.
 
2014-02-27 09:01:43 AM  

kronicfeld: I have never read a single comic featuring a character from GotG. I will be there opening weekend.


THIS.

Nobody in my family had ever heard of GotG before the trailer came out. We will all be seeing it in the theater.

/that trailer made me giggle like a schoolgirl. SO EXCITED!
 
2014-02-27 09:02:49 AM  
As films like "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World," "Kick-Ass," and "Watchmen" have proven, being big as a comic book or graphic novel does not guarantee a box office hit.

And as films like:

whatculture.com

3.bp.blogspot.com

img4.wikia.nocookie.net

showme.co.za

www.cadencelin.com

Have proven, it is possible to make a good amount of money off lesser known comics/graphic novels
 
2014-02-27 09:07:56 AM  
GoTG will make somewhere between $150M and $200M domestically, and double that amount internationally. It will gross between $400M and $600M worldwide, making it a box office success.

WTF Indeed: The bottom line of those movies were smaller. When you drop $200m on production plus $75-80m on promotion you need to make your money back. Those movies were also brand new ideas to moviegoers. Another comic book movie at this point is just exactly like a studio releasing another Rom Com.


Thor 2 just made $640M worldwide. Totes just like a rom com.
 
2014-02-27 09:08:23 AM  

kronicfeld: I have never read a single comic featuring a character from GotG. I will be there opening weekend.


This.
 
2014-02-27 09:09:51 AM  

Via Infinito: kronicfeld: I have never read a single comic featuring a character from GotG. I will be there opening weekend.

THIS.

Nobody in my family had ever heard of GotG before the trailer came out. We will all be seeing it in the theater.

/that trailer made me giggle like a schoolgirl. SO EXCITED!


The Marvel Superhero movies are pretty much what Star Wars was to me as a kid.  These are the fun and explosion and good guys winning movies we love in the Summer.
 
2014-02-27 09:12:32 AM  

kronicfeld: Thor 2 just made $640M worldwide. Totes just like a rom com.


You mean a sequel to a popular movie made a profit?! I, for one, am shocked!
 
2014-02-27 09:13:04 AM  

WTF Indeed: You mean a sequel to a popular movie made a profit?! I, for one, am shocked!


Come back with those goalposts.
 
2014-02-27 09:19:25 AM  

kronicfeld: GoTG will make somewhere between $150M and $200M domestically, and double that amount internationally. It will gross between $400M and $600M worldwide, making it a box office success.

WTF Indeed: The bottom line of those movies were smaller. When you drop $200m on production plus $75-80m on promotion you need to make your money back. Those movies were also brand new ideas to moviegoers. Another comic book movie at this point is just exactly like a studio releasing another Rom Com.

Thor 2 just made $640M worldwide. Totes just like a rom com.


I can't think of an action movie that was more boring than the original Thor.
 
2014-02-27 09:32:48 AM  
I'm saving my allowance for one comic book adaptation and one comic book adaptation only,   Like a Velvet Glove Cast In Iron.

Well that and The Doofus Omnibus.
 
2014-02-27 09:39:33 AM  
People biatch that Hollywood isn't doing anything original then they biatch that anything we haven't already heard of is going to lose money.
 
2014-02-27 09:40:30 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: WTF Indeed: Because it's a niche comic book, with no characters in it that fans of the other films would know, and its budget is so high that it has to be a blockbuster to make it's money back.

I don't get that line of thinking.

Did people know the Ghostbusters before that film was released? Marty McFly and Doc? Woody and Buzz?

No one in their right mind would create a film for comic book fans. There are only about 250,000 of them left. So it doesn't really matter if no one read the comics, because no one reads comics.

And, to be honest, the trailer is interesting enough to pull people in. That's all that matters.


All of this.
 
2014-02-27 09:50:27 AM  
Road to Perdition and A History of Violence seemed to do pretty well in the 'niche comic book to film department', too

Sounds like the old Motley Fool has a short seller with some Disney shares he desperately needs to unload.
 
2014-02-27 09:56:55 AM  
I'm not a comic book buy, and I'm OK with the Marvel movies for the most part, I actually WANT to see this movie based on the trailer.  I've not said this about a Marvel movie previously.
 
2014-02-27 10:07:26 AM  
This is going to be one of those underdog movies that smashes the competition.
 
2014-02-27 10:07:44 AM  

The Goddamn Batman: It looks like a fun movie, I will see it in theaters, and I couldn't give less of a shiat how much money it makes.


Exactly.  There are plenty of "good" movies that didn't make much money.  There are also plenty of good comic book movies about non main stream characters (a lot of them were mentioned above).
 
2014-02-27 10:09:01 AM  

bdub77: I can't think of an action movie that was more boring than the original Thor.


you mean "Thor visits Denny's" ?
 
2014-02-27 10:14:07 AM  

ManateeGag: The Goddamn Batman: It looks like a fun movie, I will see it in theaters, and I couldn't give less of a shiat how much money it makes.

Exactly.  There are plenty of "good" movies that didn't make much money.  There are also plenty of good comic book movies about non main stream characters (a lot of them were mentioned above).


Men in Black, for example.
 
2014-02-27 10:18:01 AM  
The Matrix came out of nowhere.  At least this has Marvel behind it.
 
2014-02-27 10:23:53 AM  
I love these kinds of articles, because when they're right, they're mildly interesting.  And when they're wrong, they are hilarious.
 
2014-02-27 10:25:12 AM  

ManateeGag: bdub77: I can't think of an action movie that was more boring than the original Thor.

you mean "Thor visits Denny's" ?


I wish I had the time to go into excruciating detail about everything that was wrong and stupid about that movie, but it would just waste my time which would make me even more annoyed.

Suffice to say when your whole movie is based on a "gag" that everyone in the theater is already in on...it's not funny.
 
2014-02-27 10:27:43 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Have proven, it is possible to make a good amount of money off lesser known comics/graphic novels


Not to mention Ghost World, Blade, Men In Black, Road To Perdition.
Even Iron Man was second tier character until his film came out.
 
2014-02-27 10:39:58 AM  
Every Marvel film, with the exception of Thor 2, was declared a bomb before it ever came out.

Iron Man - Who cares about some obscure superhero?  And Robert Downey Jr.?  Isn't he in prison?
Incredible Hulk - Didn't we just do a Hulk film that flopped?  (OK, they were more or less right about this one).
Thor - People won't accept gods and magic in the world of Iron Man.  And it looks way too goofy.
Captain America - Nobody wants to see a patriotic superhero in the 21st century, especially in other countries.
Avengers - There are too many characters.  Joss Whedon is a TV director.  Hawkeye is in it and nobody cares about him.
Thor 2 - Early word is that the movie is terrible and Marvel and the director are fighting.
 
2014-02-27 11:03:12 AM  
I guess the question is: how much money does The Motley Fool have tied up in DC and their studio properties...
 
2014-02-27 11:05:38 AM  
People will see it if it is good. If it sucks, word will get out and people will stay home.
 
2014-02-27 11:05:53 AM  

WTF Indeed: kronicfeld: Thor 2 just made $640M worldwide. Totes just like a rom com.

You mean a sequel to a popular movie made a profit?! I, for one, am shocked!


You mean that popular movie that was based on one of Marvel's lesser (outside of comics fans) characters?  Isn't that what we were debating in the first place?
 
2014-02-27 11:12:55 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: No one in their right mind would create a film for comic book fans. There are only about 250,000 of them left. So it doesn't really matter if no one read the comics, because no one reads comics.


I actually think they matter more than you think.

Bob Average: Hey ComicBookFriend, how was the new PowerCorps movie?
ComicBookFriend: FARKIN AWESOME!
Bob Average: Cool, I'll check it out.

versus

Bob Average: Hey, how was the new PowerCorps movie?
ComicBookFriend: Ugh. Fail. They tried to do six stories and ended up doing none of them well.
Bob Average: Huh. Probably give it a miss then.

Hence Green Lantern barely breaks even whereas Captain America makes back triple the budget.
 
2014-02-27 11:21:40 AM  

unlikely: FirstNationalBastard: No one in their right mind would create a film for comic book fans. There are only about 250,000 of them left. So it doesn't really matter if no one read the comics, because no one reads comics.

I actually think they matter more than you think.

Bob Average: Hey ComicBookFriend, how was the new PowerCorps movie?
ComicBookFriend: FARKIN AWESOME!
Bob Average: Cool, I'll check it out.

versus

Bob Average: Hey, how was the new PowerCorps movie?
ComicBookFriend: Ugh. Fail. They tried to do six stories and ended up doing none of them well.
Bob Average: Huh. Probably give it a miss then.

Hence Green Lantern barely breaks even whereas Captain America makes back triple the budget.


I would just call this 'nerd of mouth'. At least among my friends, it happens organically between people who enjoy action movies with scifi/fantasy elements. It doesn't tend to matter if they were comic books before. Now I suppose you could say there are some subgroups within that space that go to every comic book movie and therefore become the authority on new releases, but there are equally plenty of those people I wouldn't trust to review a movie in the first place, so I rely on secondhand data ("hey did you see <blah>? Yeah? How was it?") Typically though I haven't been able to trace back recommendations to some guy who buys comics and is therefore the authority, and I wouldn't seek them out for the same reason I don't ask someone who reads Harry Potter if he liked the movie adaptation - some people will enjoy the movies and some people will find themselves annoyed that something was left out.
 
2014-02-27 11:26:46 AM  
TFA: It's not Iron Man

Neither was Iron Man until it came out. It was a huge gamble on Marvel's part.
 
2014-02-27 11:29:01 AM  
sltdwrestling.co.uk
 
2014-02-27 11:29:03 AM  
Lots of fanboy chatter + article predicting failure = trolling for page clicks

Looks like a fun movie, I'll probably go depending on reviews/word of mouth.
Never heard of the comic before the movie was announced.
 
2014-02-27 11:30:50 AM  

James!: People biatch that Hollywood isn't doing anything original then they biatch that anything we haven't already heard of is going to lose money.


This! Seriously, which is it? You can't have it both ways.
 
2014-02-27 11:31:53 AM  
In any argument about whether a lesser-known comic book character will break through and become a successful movie franchise you must address Iron Man. That character was not as well-known as Spiderman or Wolverine outside the comic book world and the movie became a sequel-spawning hit.

And it succeeded. Why? Because RDJ was a likeable star who fit the character well and gave a great performance.

You know, kind of like Chris Pratt? Why is everyone so desperate for this movie to fail?
 
2014-02-27 11:33:39 AM  

unlikely: FirstNationalBastard: No one in their right mind would create a film for comic book fans. There are only about 250,000 of them left. So it doesn't really matter if no one read the comics, because no one reads comics.

I actually think they matter more than you think.

Bob Average: Hey ComicBookFriend, how was the new PowerCorps movie?
ComicBookFriend: FARKIN AWESOME!
Bob Average: Cool, I'll check it out.

versus

Bob Average: Hey, how was the new PowerCorps movie?
ComicBookFriend: Ugh. Fail. They tried to do six stories and ended up doing none of them well.
Bob Average: Huh. Probably give it a miss then.

Hence Green Lantern barely breaks even whereas Captain America makes back triple the budget.


Futher proof that if you make a bad movie, especially one with so much hype, you are screwed.

Personally, I would guess GotG makes near 175 million with 60 opening weekend in US alone.  No idea how it will do overseas.  Marvel knows how to market this kind of movie and will sell it as the lead in to Avengers 2 which will help as well.

I am curious about the farkers though...is there a movie any of you like?  Someone complaining about the 'Thor' fish-out-of-water plot is just ridiculous.  WHO CARES!?!?!  It is a movie about a Norse god with a big farking hammer who gets banished to Earth.  But by all means, tell us all the 'problems' with the movie.  Reminds me of all the threads about 'Pacific Rim' when it came out.  It was a movie about giant robots fighting giant monsters, ffs.  Go to the movie and try and accept the fact there might be some 'factual' errors.  If you want reality, go outside.  If you want to turn your brain off for 2 hours and just enjoy the damn movie, then go and stop complaining.
 
2014-02-27 11:33:52 AM  

jayhawk88: Why is everyone so desperate for this movie to fail?


Because the trailer was so farking awesome and then it got that DAMN SONG stuck in everyone's head. It's revenge hate.
 
2014-02-27 11:35:13 AM  
Is a talking raccoon with a machine gun really that difficult for audiences to digest? People are talking about this farking raccoon like it's the baby from Eraserhead.
 
2014-02-27 11:35:26 AM  

Mind of the North Star: [sltdwrestling.co.uk image 620x386]


Wait, is Batista the Diva of the Year?

CSB: My roommate in college had a girlfriend in Japan. One night he gets a call from her at like 3AM and doesn't answer it (I think we were playing Beer Pong). She calls again about 5 minutes later and he doesn't answer it again, saying he'll just tell her he was sleeping.

When he gets up in the morning, he's got a voicemail from her number. Turns out it was Batista on the phone talking shiat to him about not answering. She met him at a bar there and got him to call her boyfriend, but the dumbass didn't answer it.

/CSB
 
2014-02-27 11:35:44 AM  
Five. Months.

Can we please stop making predictions about a movie that's not going to be in theaters for another five farkin' months?

I will go see it, but I'm already fond of the GoG comics I've read. I don't really care what some guy at The Motley Fool thinks. I don't want to watch trailers. I just want to see the damn movie and then, perhaps, form an opinion on it.
 
2014-02-27 11:36:44 AM  
The damned article can't even make through two paragraphs without walking 'flop' back to 'not as successful as Ironman/The Avengers.'

Troll article headline is trolly.
 
2014-02-27 11:37:15 AM  

unlikely: jayhawk88: Why is everyone so desperate for this movie to fail?

Because the trailer was so farking awesome and then it got that DAMN SONG stuck in everyone's head. It's revenge hate.


I figured it was just DC fanboi hate trying to make their tiny penis feel bigger
 
2014-02-27 11:37:33 AM  

jayhawk88: In any argument about whether a lesser-known comic book character will break through and become a successful movie franchise you must address Iron Man. That character was not as well-known as Spiderman or Wolverine outside the comic book world and the movie became a sequel-spawning hit.

And it succeeded. Why? Because RDJ was a likeable star who fit the character well and gave a great performance.

You know, kind of like Chris Pratt? Why is everyone so desperate for this movie to fail?


Because they don't know the property. People want to tear down what they don't understand. Nobody likes to be the one person in the room who doesn't get the joke. It makes them feel small and so they resent and attack the source of their bad feelings. If the movie is a hit they are bewildered and left behind. If it's a flop, "Ha, I knew it was garbage. I'm still normal."
 
2014-02-27 11:37:46 AM  
I've never read the comic. Barely heard of it. I'm definitely going to see it, looks great.
 
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