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(Telegraph)   Russian flag raised in Crimea. This is not a repeat from 1853   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 21
    More: Followup, Crimean, Russians, Ukraine, combat aircraft, Russian flag, regional government, Nikita Khrushchev, President Viktor Yanukovich  
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2014-02-27 08:23:29 AM
7 votes:

Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......


Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.
2014-02-27 09:00:50 AM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: ArtosRC: Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......

Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.

Blah blah blah, that is what you say.

How many times are we going to ease up, let bad people get stronger? We have the biggest pussy in the history of the world leading the country, and his supporters are even bigger pussies. This will not end well. Another Cold war.


Hey TP, I'm curious- what's your MOS?
2014-02-27 08:38:23 AM
2 votes:
I'd bet money there are more than a few Russian Spetznas involved in this.
2014-02-27 05:46:32 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: ArtosRC: Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......

Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.

Blah blah blah, that is what you say.

How many times are we going to ease up, let bad people get stronger? We have the biggest pussy in the history of the world leading the country, and his supporters are even bigger pussies. This will not end well. Another Cold war.


Alright, let's show them Russkies who's got the biggest balls and the biggest stick.
Every US citizen under 30 will do 3 year military service so we have a standing Army of 5 million men and women, no exceptions, no excuses. Also, there will be a 20% national sales tax to fund our $2T wet dream of a military budget.
What? You're not with me? Why do you hate America??
2014-02-27 12:56:00 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: ArtosRC: Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......

Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.

Blah blah blah, that is what you say.

How many times are we going to ease up, let bad people get stronger? We have the biggest pussy in the history of the world leading the country, and his supporters are even bigger pussies. This will not end well. Another Cold war.


Russia is a culture and nation, not 'bad people'. We are not 'led by the biggest pussy in the history of the world'. I'm sorry this isn't your Halo game, but reality involves actual people, is not black and white, and you need to get out of middle school before trying to comment on politics, since you clearly have no respect for the fact that the people you so strongly hate are other human beings.
2014-02-27 10:42:56 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......


1. "gut" != a 10% cut
2. We spend almost as much on our military as the other 200ish countries on the planet do-combined.  This includes allies like Great Britain and France.
3. Do you really want to get into a shooting war with the Russians over the Ukraine?
4. In short, stop being stupid.
2014-02-27 09:50:10 AM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: that1guy77: Marcus Aurelius: that1guy77: I'm thinking worst-case scenario: Invasion... but am, of course, hoping for the best. Reason being: In addition to the previously mentioned, Russia learned from their previous 2008 adventure in Georgia that the western powers will sit idly -- whoever really started it is besides the point

There is the small matter of exactly how we could do anything militarily.  NATO could do it by invading Poland first, I suppose, but that presents its own problems.  An amphibious invasion at Sevastopol would start a shooting war with Russia.  And nobody in the region is eager to see a foreign army roll over their soil.

So direct military intervention is off the table.

If you don't mind... Could you please explain why on earth would NATO invade itself? Besides, we're dealing with opinions, and 'no invasion' just happens to be yours. I'm not passing mine of as fact.

We'd just be keeping Putin off balance, man. He'd never expect NATO to invade one of its own members.

You'd never want to fight a guy who was willing to punch himself in the face, right? All NATO has to do is attack Poland or Latvia or Hungary or whatever and Putin will be like "holy shiat, they crazy! I ain't messing with them!"


Better yet, just lift tiny Luxembourg out of the ground with a shovel and hurl it on Russian territory -- preferrably on Putin's front lawn. It's kind of like the horsehead-in-bed effect.
2014-02-27 09:48:40 AM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: one of my all-time favorite literary characters


I have every one of his books, including "The Complete MacAuslan".

Women hate him for some reason.  Can you imagine?
2014-02-27 09:17:36 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: that1guy77: I'm thinking worst-case scenario: Invasion... but am, of course, hoping for the best. Reason being: In addition to the previously mentioned, Russia learned from their previous 2008 adventure in Georgia that the western powers will sit idly -- whoever really started it is besides the point

There is the small matter of exactly how we could do anything militarily.  NATO could do it by invading Poland first, I suppose, but that presents its own problems.  An amphibious invasion at Sevastopol would start a shooting war with Russia.  And nobody in the region is eager to see a foreign army roll over their soil.

So direct military intervention is off the table.


If you don't mind... Could you please explain why on earth would NATO invade itself? Besides, we're dealing with opinions, and 'no invasion' just happens to be yours. I'm not passing mine of as fact.
2014-02-27 09:15:18 AM
1 votes:

greentea1985: I fully expect Ukraine to split in the next few months with the resulting countries being either Europe-friendly West Ukraine and the Russian client state East Ukraine, or into Ukraine and the new Russian province of Crimea. Now Yanukovich has gone running into the arms of his girlfriend Putin, I expect one of those outcomes, as long as Russia has the sense to not pull a USSR on Hungary. They've lost the Western portion of Ukraine, but the Eastern half still wants close ties with Russia or to be Russian.


You mean Crimea will be returned to being the Crimean Oblast, which it was until the 1950s.
2014-02-27 08:57:14 AM
1 votes:

that1guy77: The Ukraine is to Russia what Syria is to Iran and they'll do everything to hold on to it. Geographically and strategically, Ukraine was the core of the former USSR, and as far as Putin is concerned, the nation isn't up for discussion or negotiation. To Putin, as it's part of Russia. Putin will do whatever it takes to ensure Ukraine belongs to him. Putin has options should he decide on intervention. He could provide military support to Yanukovich, raise energy prices, levy Ukrainian exports into Russia, or impose any number of economic measures designed to send a shot across the bow of the pro-West protesters. But getting tough with Ukraine right now is risky as it would only inflame anti-Russian sentiment.

I'm thinking worst-case scenario: Invasion... but am, of course, hoping for the best. Reason being: In addition to the previously mentioned, Russia learned from their previous 2008 adventure in Georgia that the western powers will sit idly -- whoever really started it is besides the point. The Ukraine, like Georgia, is not a NATO member, and therefore, an attack on this one is not an attack on all. I can' t see how Russia would stand by idly and allow for this to happen. It's been repeated over and over again from military leaders that this won't be allowed to transpire. One such example: Russia warns US on Ukraine, says Moscow could act ...

Whatever happens, the longer the protests continue and the shakier the Yanukovich government becomes, as we're seeing right now, the more anxious Putin will grow -- and an anxious Putin is a very dangerous Putin.



It is no longer a Yanukovich Government. He has been expelled from his party:
Yanukovych impeachment - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Regions#Yanukovych_impeachment

On 22 February 2014, during the "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Regions#cite_note-Yanuousted-97 ">[97] Out of the 38 PoR deputies present, 36 voted in favour of ousting Yanukovich while 2 did not take part in the vote.[98]
In a written statement the next day, the party denounced Yanukovych, stating they "strongly condemn the criminal orders that led to human victims, an empty state treasury, huge debts, shame before the eyes of the Ukrainian people and the entire world."[99]
On 24 February 2014 faction leader [100] 77 of its MPs had left the faction over the past few days.[100]
On 25 February 2014 [58][101]
2014-02-27 08:51:22 AM
1 votes:
How about they let each part of the country decide where they want to go?
2014-02-27 08:51:14 AM
1 votes:
The United States says any Russian military action would be a grave mistake.

Thank the good Lord the republicans (war party) are not currently occupying the white house.
Although ain't no telling what the lying f*cktard in their now will do, at least there is a chance the USA will stay out of it if the Ruskies invade.
2014-02-27 08:48:00 AM
1 votes:
The Ukraine is to Russia what Syria is to Iran and they'll do everything to hold on to it. Geographically and strategically, Ukraine was the core of the former USSR, and as far as Putin is concerned, the nation isn't up for discussion or negotiation. To Putin, as it's part of Russia. Putin will do whatever it takes to ensure Ukraine belongs to him. Putin has options should he decide on intervention. He could provide military support to Yanukovich, raise energy prices, levy Ukrainian exports into Russia, or impose any number of economic measures designed to send a shot across the bow of the pro-West protesters. But getting tough with Ukraine right now is risky as it would only inflame anti-Russian sentiment.

I'm thinking worst-case scenario: Invasion... but am, of course, hoping for the best. Reason being: In addition to the previously mentioned, Russia learned from their previous 2008 adventure in Georgia that the western powers will sit idly -- whoever really started it is besides the point. The Ukraine, like Georgia, is not a NATO member, and therefore, an attack on this one is not an attack on all. I can' t see how Russia would stand by idly and allow for this to happen. It's been repeated over and over again from military leaders that this won't be allowed to transpire. One such example: Russia warns US on Ukraine, says Moscow could act ...

Whatever happens, the longer the protests continue and the shakier the Yanukovich government becomes, as we're seeing right now, the more anxious Putin will grow -- and an anxious Putin is a very dangerous Putin.
2014-02-27 08:44:04 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......


Relax, we still spend as much as the rest of the world combined.

And that much still won't win you a land war in Asia.
2014-02-27 08:36:30 AM
1 votes:

NobleHam: greentea1985: I fully expect Ukraine to split in the next few months with the resulting countries being either Europe-friendly West Ukraine and the Russian client state East Ukraine, or into Ukraine and the new Russian province of Crimea. Now Yanukovich has gone running into the arms of his girlfriend Putin, I expect one of those outcomes, as long as Russia has the sense to not pull a USSR on Hungary. They've lost the Western portion of Ukraine, but the Eastern half still wants close ties with Russia or to be Russian.

Could be, but that sounds like a messy business and I think the EU, NATO, most Ukrainians, and even Russia would like to avoid a split. This Crimea trouble will likely be resolved in a few days, and depending on the level of violence required to resolve it, it may incite more anger from the ethnic Russian population in Ukraine, but probably not enough to create a mass separatist movement.


Plus, there were (and in some cases continue) significant protests against Yanukovych in the East as well so it's not as cut and dried anymore. The new gov't has been promoting unity. I don't think it's quite as simple as it may have been a few years ago.

Also, the Crimean Tartars do not want to join Russia and they're claim to the Crimea is much stronger than the Russians. That's who is fighting with the separatists now.
2014-02-27 08:36:30 AM
1 votes:
Not too many Americans know much about the Crimea.   Mostly it's famous for its war and its river.    We've all heard of the Crimean War and the Crimea River.
2014-02-27 08:19:01 AM
1 votes:
Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......
2014-02-27 08:15:18 AM
1 votes:
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You say armed men have occupied the parliament in a section of the Ukraine and raised the Russian flag over it?
(puts on sunglasses)
Go Crimea river.

Yeaaaaaah!!!!!
2014-02-27 08:09:29 AM
1 votes:
This will end well.
2014-02-27 08:02:48 AM
1 votes:
You take my life, but I'll take yours too...
 
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