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2014-02-27 08:02:48 AM
You take my life, but I'll take yours too...
 
2014-02-27 08:06:14 AM
Here comes years of suffering...
 
2014-02-27 08:07:08 AM
i290.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-27 08:09:29 AM
This will end well.
 
2014-02-27 08:10:17 AM
It's just President Chicken Kiev's supporters showing their support for P. Chick and his girlfriend, Putin.
 
2014-02-27 08:11:29 AM
i.imgur.com

"We're putting the band back together"
 
2014-02-27 08:11:58 AM
Looks like the Ukraine is about to loose it's family jewel.  That'll make them testy.
 
2014-02-27 08:15:18 AM
img.fark.net

You say armed men have occupied the parliament in a section of the Ukraine and raised the Russian flag over it?
(puts on sunglasses)
Go Crimea river.

Yeaaaaaah!!!!!
 
2014-02-27 08:16:20 AM
I fully expect Ukraine to split in the next few months with the resulting countries being either Europe-friendly West Ukraine and the Russian client state East Ukraine, or into Ukraine and the new Russian province of Crimea. Now Yanukovich has gone running into the arms of his girlfriend Putin, I expect one of those outcomes, as long as Russia has the sense to not pull a USSR on Hungary. They've lost the Western portion of Ukraine, but the Eastern half still wants close ties with Russia or to be Russian.
 
2014-02-27 08:17:54 AM

Mztlplx: You take my life, but I'll take yours too...


You'll fire your musket, but I'll run you through
 
2014-02-27 08:19:01 AM
Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......
 
2014-02-27 08:19:32 AM

Harry Freakstorm: [img.fark.net image 300x203]

You say armed men have occupied the parliament in a section of the Ukraine and raised the Russian flag over it?
(puts on sunglasses)
Go Crimea river.

Yeaaaaaah!!!!!


Okay that was pretty good, one internet for you today.
 
2014-02-27 08:20:17 AM
I see Maiden has been covered. Well done mates.
 
2014-02-27 08:21:12 AM
Well I'm glad to see that everyone in Ukraine is being calm and rational again.
 
2014-02-27 08:21:35 AM

Mztlplx: You take my life, but I'll take yours too...


I feel bad that Maiden wasn't the first band that came to my mind...

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-27 08:22:47 AM
I guess Putin gets his territory card this turn.  Does he have enough to complete a set yet and get a troop bonus?
 
2014-02-27 08:23:29 AM

Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......


Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.
 
2014-02-27 08:23:51 AM

greentea1985: I fully expect Ukraine to split in the next few months with the resulting countries being either Europe-friendly West Ukraine and the Russian client state East Ukraine, or into Ukraine and the new Russian province of Crimea. Now Yanukovich has gone running into the arms of his girlfriend Putin, I expect one of those outcomes, as long as Russia has the sense to not pull a USSR on Hungary. They've lost the Western portion of Ukraine, but the Eastern half still wants close ties with Russia or to be Russian.


It really does look like that is how this is going to play out. I was hoping the whole of Ukraine would go with the EU - could have helped stabilize surrounding areas and keep Putin in check. Last night, friends I have there have wanted this for years.

I wouldn't venture a guess on Crimea yet tho. But that's just me.
 
2014-02-27 08:27:14 AM

Tomahawk513: Harry Freakstorm: [img.fark.net image 300x203]

You say armed men have occupied the parliament in a section of the Ukraine and raised the Russian flag over it?
(puts on sunglasses)
Go Crimea river.

Yeaaaaaah!!!!!

Okay that was pretty good, one internet for you today.


Bet you've been bouncing up and down since yesterday waiting to throw that out.
Well played, sir.
 
2014-02-27 08:29:12 AM

greentea1985: I fully expect Ukraine to split in the next few months with the resulting countries being either Europe-friendly West Ukraine and the Russian client state East Ukraine, or into Ukraine and the new Russian province of Crimea. Now Yanukovich has gone running into the arms of his girlfriend Putin, I expect one of those outcomes, as long as Russia has the sense to not pull a USSR on Hungary. They've lost the Western portion of Ukraine, but the Eastern half still wants close ties with Russia or to be Russian.


Could be, but that sounds like a messy business and I think the EU, NATO, most Ukrainians, and even Russia would like to avoid a split. This Crimea trouble will likely be resolved in a few days, and depending on the level of violence required to resolve it, it may incite more anger from the ethnic Russian population in Ukraine, but probably not enough to create a mass separatist movement.
 
2014-02-27 08:36:30 AM
Not too many Americans know much about the Crimea.   Mostly it's famous for its war and its river.    We've all heard of the Crimean War and the Crimea River.
 
2014-02-27 08:36:30 AM

NobleHam: greentea1985: I fully expect Ukraine to split in the next few months with the resulting countries being either Europe-friendly West Ukraine and the Russian client state East Ukraine, or into Ukraine and the new Russian province of Crimea. Now Yanukovich has gone running into the arms of his girlfriend Putin, I expect one of those outcomes, as long as Russia has the sense to not pull a USSR on Hungary. They've lost the Western portion of Ukraine, but the Eastern half still wants close ties with Russia or to be Russian.

Could be, but that sounds like a messy business and I think the EU, NATO, most Ukrainians, and even Russia would like to avoid a split. This Crimea trouble will likely be resolved in a few days, and depending on the level of violence required to resolve it, it may incite more anger from the ethnic Russian population in Ukraine, but probably not enough to create a mass separatist movement.


Plus, there were (and in some cases continue) significant protests against Yanukovych in the East as well so it's not as cut and dried anymore. The new gov't has been promoting unity. I don't think it's quite as simple as it may have been a few years ago.

Also, the Crimean Tartars do not want to join Russia and they're claim to the Crimea is much stronger than the Russians. That's who is fighting with the separatists now.
 
2014-02-27 08:38:03 AM

ArtosRC: Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......

Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.


Blah blah blah, that is what you say.

How many times are we going to ease up, let bad people get stronger? We have the biggest pussy in the history of the world leading the country, and his supporters are even bigger pussies. This will not end well. Another Cold war.
 
2014-02-27 08:38:23 AM
I'd bet money there are more than a few Russian Spetznas involved in this.
 
2014-02-27 08:44:04 AM

Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......


Relax, we still spend as much as the rest of the world combined.

And that much still won't win you a land war in Asia.
 
2014-02-27 08:44:55 AM

meh.: Mztlplx: You take my life, but I'll take yours too...

You'll fire your musket, but I'll run you through


So when you're waiting for the next attack
 
2014-02-27 08:45:23 AM

Thunderpipes: How many times are we going to ease up, let bad people get stronger?


You're speaking of course about bin Laden and Ghadaffi and Morsi?
 
2014-02-27 08:48:00 AM
The Ukraine is to Russia what Syria is to Iran and they'll do everything to hold on to it. Geographically and strategically, Ukraine was the core of the former USSR, and as far as Putin is concerned, the nation isn't up for discussion or negotiation. To Putin, as it's part of Russia. Putin will do whatever it takes to ensure Ukraine belongs to him. Putin has options should he decide on intervention. He could provide military support to Yanukovich, raise energy prices, levy Ukrainian exports into Russia, or impose any number of economic measures designed to send a shot across the bow of the pro-West protesters. But getting tough with Ukraine right now is risky as it would only inflame anti-Russian sentiment.

I'm thinking worst-case scenario: Invasion... but am, of course, hoping for the best. Reason being: In addition to the previously mentioned, Russia learned from their previous 2008 adventure in Georgia that the western powers will sit idly -- whoever really started it is besides the point. The Ukraine, like Georgia, is not a NATO member, and therefore, an attack on this one is not an attack on all. I can' t see how Russia would stand by idly and allow for this to happen. It's been repeated over and over again from military leaders that this won't be allowed to transpire. One such example: Russia warns US on Ukraine, says Moscow could act ...

Whatever happens, the longer the protests continue and the shakier the Yanukovich government becomes, as we're seeing right now, the more anxious Putin will grow -- and an anxious Putin is a very dangerous Putin.
 
2014-02-27 08:51:14 AM
The United States says any Russian military action would be a grave mistake.

Thank the good Lord the republicans (war party) are not currently occupying the white house.
Although ain't no telling what the lying f*cktard in their now will do, at least there is a chance the USA will stay out of it if the Ruskies invade.
 
2014-02-27 08:51:22 AM
How about they let each part of the country decide where they want to go?
 
2014-02-27 08:52:08 AM

Thunderpipes: ArtosRC: Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......

Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.

Blah blah blah, that is what you say.

How many times are we going to ease up, let bad people get stronger? We have the biggest pussy in the history of the world leading the country, and his supporters are even bigger pussies. This will not end well. Another Cold war.


America should state where the red line is that can't be crossed, instruct Joe Biden to lead a committee on the Crimea situation, then send a few high ranking military diplomats (make sure their gay because that will embarrass Putin) and everything should be fine.
 
2014-02-27 08:53:07 AM

that1guy77: I'm thinking worst-case scenario: Invasion... but am, of course, hoping for the best. Reason being: In addition to the previously mentioned, Russia learned from their previous 2008 adventure in Georgia that the western powers will sit idly -- whoever really started it is besides the point


There is the small matter of exactly how we could do anything militarily.  NATO could do it by invading Poland first, I suppose, but that presents its own problems.  An amphibious invasion at Sevastopol would start a shooting war with Russia.  And nobody in the region is eager to see a foreign army roll over their soil.

So direct military intervention is off the table.
 
2014-02-27 08:57:14 AM

that1guy77: The Ukraine is to Russia what Syria is to Iran and they'll do everything to hold on to it. Geographically and strategically, Ukraine was the core of the former USSR, and as far as Putin is concerned, the nation isn't up for discussion or negotiation. To Putin, as it's part of Russia. Putin will do whatever it takes to ensure Ukraine belongs to him. Putin has options should he decide on intervention. He could provide military support to Yanukovich, raise energy prices, levy Ukrainian exports into Russia, or impose any number of economic measures designed to send a shot across the bow of the pro-West protesters. But getting tough with Ukraine right now is risky as it would only inflame anti-Russian sentiment.

I'm thinking worst-case scenario: Invasion... but am, of course, hoping for the best. Reason being: In addition to the previously mentioned, Russia learned from their previous 2008 adventure in Georgia that the western powers will sit idly -- whoever really started it is besides the point. The Ukraine, like Georgia, is not a NATO member, and therefore, an attack on this one is not an attack on all. I can' t see how Russia would stand by idly and allow for this to happen. It's been repeated over and over again from military leaders that this won't be allowed to transpire. One such example: Russia warns US on Ukraine, says Moscow could act ...

Whatever happens, the longer the protests continue and the shakier the Yanukovich government becomes, as we're seeing right now, the more anxious Putin will grow -- and an anxious Putin is a very dangerous Putin.



It is no longer a Yanukovich Government. He has been expelled from his party:
Yanukovych impeachment - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Regions#Yanukovych_impeachment

On 22 February 2014, during the "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Regions#cite_note-Yanuousted-97 ">[97] Out of the 38 PoR deputies present, 36 voted in favour of ousting Yanukovich while 2 did not take part in the vote.[98]
In a written statement the next day, the party denounced Yanukovych, stating they "strongly condemn the criminal orders that led to human victims, an empty state treasury, huge debts, shame before the eyes of the Ukrainian people and the entire world."[99]
On 24 February 2014 faction leader [100] 77 of its MPs had left the faction over the past few days.[100]
On 25 February 2014 [58][101]
 
2014-02-27 08:57:30 AM

Thunderpipes: ArtosRC: Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......

Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.

Blah blah blah, that is what you say.

How many times are we going to ease up, let bad people get stronger? We have the biggest pussy in the history of the world leading the country, and his supporters are even bigger pussies. This will not end well. Another Cold war.


It must physically hurt to troll this hard.
 
2014-02-27 08:57:34 AM

that1guy77: The Ukraine is to Russia what Syria is to Iran and they'll do everything to hold on to it. Geographically and strategically, Ukraine was the core of the former USSR, and as far as Putin is concerned, the nation isn't up for discussion or negotiation. To Putin, as it's part of Russia. Putin will do whatever it takes to ensure Ukraine belongs to him. Putin has options should he decide on intervention. He could provide military support to Yanukovich, raise energy prices, levy Ukrainian exports into Russia, or impose any number of economic measures designed to send a shot across the bow of the pro-West protesters. But getting tough with Ukraine right now is risky as it would only inflame anti-Russian sentiment.

I'm thinking worst-case scenario: Invasion... but am, of course, hoping for the best. Reason being: In addition to the previously mentioned, Russia learned from their previous 2008 adventure in Georgia that the western powers will sit idly -- whoever really started it is besides the point. The Ukraine, like Georgia, is not a NATO member, and therefore, an attack on this one is not an attack on all. I can' t see how Russia would stand by idly and allow for this to happen. It's been repeated over and over again from military leaders that this won't be allowed to transpire. One such example: Russia warns US on Ukraine, says Moscow could act ...

Whatever happens, the longer the protests continue and the shakier the Yanukovich government becomes, as we're seeing right now, the more anxious Putin will grow -- and an anxious Putin is a very dangerous Putin.


Yanukovich is about as unpopular among ethnic Russians in Ukraine as he is among non-Russians.  He's probably hiding in Russia but he is almost certainly not destined to go back to Ukraine.
 
2014-02-27 08:58:19 AM
I know we had naval assets in the Black Sea for the Olympics. Anyone know if they are still there or if they've left?
Also what is the Turks take on this whole deal. Would they allow NATO ships into the Black Sea.
 
2014-02-27 08:58:49 AM

Born_Again_Bavarian: that1guy77: The Ukraine is to Russia what Syria is to Iran and they'll do everything to hold on to it. Geographically and strategically, Ukraine was the core of the former USSR, and as far as Putin is concerned, the nation isn't up for discussion or negotiation. To Putin, as it's part of Russia. Putin will do whatever it takes to ensure Ukraine belongs to him. Putin has options should he decide on intervention. He could provide military support to Yanukovich, raise energy prices, levy Ukrainian exports into Russia, or impose any number of economic measures designed to send a shot across the bow of the pro-West protesters. But getting tough with Ukraine right now is risky as it would only inflame anti-Russian sentiment.

I'm thinking worst-case scenario: Invasion... but am, of course, hoping for the best. Reason being: In addition to the previously mentioned, Russia learned from their previous 2008 adventure in Georgia that the western powers will sit idly -- whoever really started it is besides the point. The Ukraine, like Georgia, is not a NATO member, and therefore, an attack on this one is not an attack on all. I can' t see how Russia would stand by idly and allow for this to happen. It's been repeated over and over again from military leaders that this won't be allowed to transpire. One such example: Russia warns US on Ukraine, says Moscow could act ...

Whatever happens, the longer the protests continue and the shakier the Yanukovich government becomes, as we're seeing right now, the more anxious Putin will grow -- and an anxious Putin is a very dangerous Putin.

Yanukovich is about as unpopular among ethnic Russians in Ukraine as he is among non-Russians.  He's probably hiding in Russia but he is almost certainly not destined to go back to Ukraine.


Double-teamed that post...ouch. I didn't want to point out all of the fallacies in this post, thanks for your help!
 
2014-02-27 08:58:50 AM

Marcus Aurelius: that1guy77: I'm thinking worst-case scenario: Invasion... but am, of course, hoping for the best. Reason being: In addition to the previously mentioned, Russia learned from their previous 2008 adventure in Georgia that the western powers will sit idly -- whoever really started it is besides the point

There is the small matter of exactly how we could do anything militarily.  NATO could do it by invading Poland first, I suppose, but that presents its own problems.


The biggest problem being that Poland is a NATO member?
 
2014-02-27 08:59:24 AM

Thunderpipes: ArtosRC: Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......

Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.

Blah blah blah, that is what you say.

How many times are we going to ease up, let bad people get stronger? We have the biggest pussy in the history of the world leading the country, and his supporters are even bigger pussies. This will not end well. Another Cold war.


So, invade? WTF are you suggesting actually?
 
2014-02-27 09:00:05 AM
Snippet off BBC:

The men have not yet made any demands or issued any statements but did put up a sign reading: "Crimea is Russia".

They threw a flash grenade in response to questions from a journalist, AP news agency reported.


Wrong question?

 

Thunderpipes: ArtosRC: Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......

Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.

Blah blah blah, that is what you say.

How many times are we going to ease up, let bad people get stronger? We have the biggest pussy in the history of the world leading the country, and his supporters are even bigger pussies. This will not end well. Another Cold war.


You hate pussy. Got it.
 
2014-02-27 09:00:19 AM
This dance has been going on for centuries.
 
2014-02-27 09:00:50 AM

Thunderpipes: ArtosRC: Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......

Keep your shilling out of this thread. Deep throat the Minuteman inventory elsewhere, chickenhawk.

Blah blah blah, that is what you say.

How many times are we going to ease up, let bad people get stronger? We have the biggest pussy in the history of the world leading the country, and his supporters are even bigger pussies. This will not end well. Another Cold war.


Hey TP, I'm curious- what's your MOS?
 
2014-02-27 09:00:55 AM

Ring of Fire: I know we had naval assets in the Black Sea for the Olympics. Anyone know if they are still there or if they've left?
Also what is the Turks take on this whole deal. Would they allow NATO ships into the Black Sea.


Forgot Turkey is in NATO.
 
2014-02-27 09:01:42 AM

Ring of Fire: I know we had naval assets in the Black Sea for the Olympics. Anyone know if they are still there or if they've left?
Also what is the Turks take on this whole deal. Would they allow NATO ships into the Black Sea.


The Turks are in NATO. So yes, they would.
 
2014-02-27 09:03:25 AM

Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......


Again, what the fark does this have to do with USA?

This is the typical American thought process "Something happens in X country, that doesn't in any way or form involve the USA. Clearly we need to invade/bomb them"?
 
2014-02-27 09:06:00 AM
danzak:

Also, the Crimean Tartars do not want to join Russia and they're claim to the Crimea is much stronger than the Russians. That's who is fighting with the separatists now.

They only make up about 10% of the population.

AFAIK they have no reason to want to be a part of Ukraine either than it being the better of the two choices.
 
2014-02-27 09:06:37 AM

spawn73: Thunderpipes: Gee, let's gut the military, after all, we will never need it......

Again, what the fark does this have to do with USA?

This is the typical American thought process "Something happens in X country, that doesn't in any way or form involve the USA. Clearly we need to invade/bomb them"?


It wouldn't be quite so bad if said persons could identify said countries on a map of the world.
 
2014-02-27 09:08:04 AM

that1guy77: The Ukraine is to Russia what Syria is to Iran and they'll do everything to hold on to it. Geographically and strategically, Ukraine was the core of the former USSR, and as far as Putin is concerned, the nation isn't up for discussion or negotiation. To Putin, as it's part of Russia. Putin will do whatever it takes to ensure Ukraine belongs to him.


<snip>

That's a long post, with a lot of statements made as facts, that will of course be proven completely wrong over the next few days/weeks.

Hope that doesn't bother you to much. :)
 
2014-02-27 09:10:42 AM

Ring of Fire: I know we had naval assets in the Black Sea for the Olympics. Anyone know if they are still there or if they've left?
Also what is the Turks take on this whole deal. Would they allow NATO ships into the Black Sea.


Why would NATO be involved in this? No one except complete idiots thinks this situation involves NATO or USA in any way or form.

But yeah, I am pretty sure a NATO member like Turkey doesn't have a problem with letting its own farking coalition enter the black sea.
 
2014-02-27 09:11:24 AM

spawn73: This is the typical American thought process "Something happens in X country, that doesn't in any way or form involve the USA. Clearly we need to invade/bomb them"?


"Git this terrorist derka bullhonkey off my news!  MURIKA!"
 
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