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(AZ Family)   Woman is shocked, SHOCKED that her sister who was a Hooters waitress, appeared in a adult video, has been on a talk show about questionable parenting and has numerous mug shots from previous arrests could commit murder   (azfamily.com) divider line 167
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2014-02-27 08:10:52 AM  
Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.
 
2014-02-27 08:42:58 AM  
Ain't no farkin' ballpark neither. Now look, maybe your method of waitressing differs from mine, but, you know, waiting tables, and murdering people, ain't the same farkin' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same farkin' sport. Look, waitressing at a Hooters don't mean shiat.
 
2014-02-27 09:00:55 AM  

EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.


THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?
 
2014-02-27 09:14:16 AM  
wow this headline is even sexist by my standards
 
2014-02-27 09:15:38 AM  

Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?


Because we know heartless, evil sluts in real life?
 
2014-02-27 09:16:09 AM  
If only women stayed virgins until marriage, and then stayed in the kitchen, this would never happen.
 
2014-02-27 09:16:32 AM  
Came here to say WTF, subbie.  Thanks to those who said it first.

Literally NOTHING that came before it said:My sister would obviously be murdery.  Shame on you, subbie.
 
2014-02-27 09:16:34 AM  

Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?


But you see, liking sex means you hate God! And if you hate God, then there's no telling what you can do -- even murder!
 
2014-02-27 09:17:23 AM  

Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?


It's not complicated: Women that advertise their joy of sex are a security threat to those that don't. Having society precog them for murder should make them less desireable. Emphasis on should.
 
2014-02-27 09:18:05 AM  
well, in fairness subby, being a Hooters waitress doesn't automatically mean you fark on video, are a bad parent and have a tendency to kill people.
 
2014-02-27 09:18:30 AM  
Oh.  Why didn't I notice this was Arizona?  Maybe soon people can refuse to serve her on religious standing purely for working at Hooters.
 
2014-02-27 09:19:29 AM  

Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?


It is kind of bizarre. When everyone gets in to a moral shame panic over Miley Cyrus, all I can think is "I want to party with that chick".

And then the reaction to women that present themselves as "wholesome" is to describe in great detail of all the ways they want to sexually use them.
 
2014-02-27 09:21:57 AM  
Um, there's a big difference between being a little disorderly and being the type that would kill others. Unless she was doing things to her children that would make even Dr. Phil throw a chair at her, not even "questionable parenting" would really be a sign someone would be capable of murder. Even having assaults doesn't automatically mean that someone would turn into a killer, as not everyone that is willing to beat someone up is necessarily capable of murder.
 
2014-02-27 09:23:34 AM  
When will this horrific reign of waitressing, lawlessness, and murder finally be brought to an end?
 
2014-02-27 09:24:11 AM  
So... umm... is this a bad time to ask what was the name of the video?
 
2014-02-27 09:24:48 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?

It is kind of bizarre. When everyone gets in to a moral shame panic over Miley Cyrus, all I can think is "I want to party with that chick".

And then the reaction to women that present themselves as "wholesome" is to describe in great detail of all the ways they want to sexually use them.


Whenever any one talks about the Bieber, we all biatch about his being a rich entitled clown. And yet even though i would like that kind of fark you money, you dont see me white knighting his stupid antics.
 
2014-02-27 09:25:47 AM  
And submitter is a misogynist, which probably means it wouldnt' be surprising to learn that he also tortures children, farks dogs, and would massacre all the Jews and one clown if he could.
 
2014-02-27 09:26:12 AM  

Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?


Women don't like sex. It is a device with which they ensnare men. Nothing more.
 
2014-02-27 09:26:46 AM  
Subby may be an asshole, but according to the article, he's technically not wrong.
 
2014-02-27 09:26:52 AM  
"Woman is shocked, SHOCKED that her sister who has numerous mug shots from previous arrests including assault could commit murder."

That headline is a little more reasonable, but even then? Eh.

Shame on subby, and shame on the article for mentioning it at all.
 
2014-02-27 09:28:26 AM  

Ponzholio: So... umm... is this a bad time to ask what was the name of the video?


My goodness, I can't believe someone would be so crass as  to ask the name of the video.  I mean, if someone were to find it and post a link, people might actually bookmark it!!!
 
2014-02-27 09:28:42 AM  
I wonder what kind of adult video she was in?
 
2014-02-27 09:30:00 AM  
Anybody have a link to the Video? I have to some research and, see into the mind of killers.
 
2014-02-27 09:30:29 AM  

AxemRed: I wonder what kind of adult video she was in?


Maybe it was a snuff film.  And maybe she worked at MURDER-Hooters.  I bet we're all overreacting.
 
2014-02-27 09:31:01 AM  

proteus_b: And submitter is a misogynist, which probably means it wouldnt' be surprising to learn that he also tortures children, farks dogs, and would massacre all the Jews and one clown if he could.


You make it sound like killing a clown is a bad thing.
 
2014-02-27 09:31:24 AM  
The food at Hooters is generally awful, and the place attracts loud, obnoxious men who think the waitresses are going to "give them some". I can see where a degree of pent-up frustration could form on the part of the wait staff.

I mean, granted, it's not as bad as a typical Applebee's, but still. . . .
 
2014-02-27 09:31:59 AM  
Being a waitress at Hooters leads to being a murderer. Got it. Don't become a murderer; don't be a waitress at Hooters.
 
2014-02-27 09:35:18 AM  
if you are willing to sell yourself (hooters, video), are willing to break laws that get you arrested, are a lousy parent, you have demonstrated that your moral compass is likely broken.

that is why it isn't a stretch to think she killed someone.  has nothing to do with sex and you morons equating it with that are just that.
 
2014-02-27 09:35:40 AM  
Haven't ever paid much attention before now, are Hooter's waitresses known for being murderers, other than kittens,of course?
 
2014-02-27 09:36:10 AM  

AxemRed: I wonder what kind of adult video she was in?


How to bartend maybe?  Doing taxes for waitresses?  Stand your Ground self defense course?
 
2014-02-27 09:37:12 AM  
She obviously has some moral deficiencies.
 
2014-02-27 09:37:16 AM  

frepnog: if you are willing to sell yourself (hooters


They sell wings there.
 
2014-02-27 09:37:42 AM  

Ponzholio: So... umm... is this a bad time to ask what was the name of the video?


Found on wiki.answers:
Who is autumn from backroom casting couch
Current answer: Judith Walthers
 
2014-02-27 09:39:02 AM  

R.A.Danny: She obviously has some moral deficiencies.


Do some moral deficiencies automatically mean all or any of others?  I don't think so.
 
2014-02-27 09:43:19 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: if you are willing to sell yourself (hooters

They sell wings there.


they sell sex there.  the food is not worth stopping for.  You go in Hooters for cute girls in short shorts with skin tight t-shirts.  The girls are not waitresses.
 
2014-02-27 09:44:43 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-27 09:45:03 AM  

VladTheEmailer: well, in fairness subby, being a Hooters waitress doesn't automatically mean you fark on video, are a bad parent and have a tendency to kill people.


No, but she saw her five year plan through and is now getting to enjoy her retirement.
 
2014-02-27 09:45:42 AM  
Marty Hart would've been nose deep in that ass.
 
2014-02-27 09:46:18 AM  
Man...a ton of white knights and thin skin in this thread.
i290.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-27 09:47:02 AM  

Erisire: R.A.Danny: She obviously has some moral deficiencies.

Do some moral deficiencies automatically mean all or any of others?  I don't think so.


No, but obviously she has no moral compass whatsoever.
 
2014-02-27 09:47:56 AM  

EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.


Came in here to say this, except I was going to call her a slattern.

/Look at Andrea Yates
 
2014-02-27 09:48:16 AM  
Hooter's Waitress thread?

www.joebucsfan.com
 
2014-02-27 09:48:35 AM  

Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?


Because Jesus
 
2014-02-27 09:49:07 AM  

frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: if you are willing to sell yourself (hooters

They sell wings there.

they sell sex there.  the food is not worth stopping for.  You go in Hooters for cute girls in short shorts with skin tight t-shirts.  The girls are not waitresses.


I dunno, they bring people food and drinks inside of a restaurant. I've never been able to purchase sex from them.
 
2014-02-27 09:49:30 AM  

Erisire: I bet we're all overreacting.


Welcome to Fark?
 
2014-02-27 09:50:57 AM  

TheraTx: Hooter's Waitress thread?


Egon Spengler: Yes, have some.
 
2014-02-27 09:51:06 AM  
Not to criticize agenda-driven Feminists for setting up a strawman (Sorry!  Strawwoman) argument that this is all about a woman's sexuality - did any of you bother to read the rest of the article before leaping to your preordained conclusion? I'm guessing not.  There were a few other hints her sister might have picked up on about a propensity to make bad decisions. That is not, of course, to say that allher decisions were bad. Personally, I, for one, think women making porn movies is a good decision, and I encourage more of them to explore their sexuality on-screen.

However, back to the hints that she was prone to dangerous and/or violent behaviors which her sister might have noticed, which mentioned in the article and are quoted below:
--------
"There's also a variety of mug shots from previous arrests, including for assault, shoplifting and driving without a license.

As for the new murder charge, police said she killed Worzalla, a man she stayed with off and on, then stole a lot of his property.

Police said Worzalla's DNA was found on bloody items located at the crime scene.

"[There was] some blood at the crime scene on some of the items that were used to commit this crime and some of the clothing, sheets, other things like that so we were able to directly tie her to this crime through DNA evidence," said Detective Steve Berry with the Mesa Police Department.

Walthers' sister said she isn't a killer.

"I know my sister, that's all I can say," she said.

Walthers hasn't admitted to the crime, but according to court paperwork she tried to recruit a family member as an accomplice. "
 
2014-02-27 09:51:08 AM  

Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?


I've never been able to find the source of the quote, but I've heard the answer described as 'because it screws up the p**** economy.'  The idea, I think, is that women exert a certain amount of control over men through access to sex.  This appears to be the case with many other species as well.  It may be on a wide level (  http://www.policymic.com/articles/82137/women-around-the-world-are-us i ng-sex-strikes-to-create-social-change  ), or it may be on a personal level (a version of 'you're sleeping on the couch tonight' ), If sex is difficult to obtain, then you can charge a high, resource-intensive price like a lifetime contract for food and shelter for yourself and your offspring.  The cheaper (resource-wise) sex becomes, the more difficult it becomes for people to bargain for the high value contract (marriage) vs. a low value contract (dinner and a movie).  This appears to be why sluts may be looked down on by other women- because they (sluts) devalue the currency (access to sex).  This also appears to be why porn and masturbation are frequently treated in such a negative light- because they bring the transactional cost of access to sex down to near zero.  Women (some) don't like this stuff because it devalues their commodity.  Society (some) doesn't like this stuff because it undermines the structure of many societies.

I don't know that all of the above is true.  Almost nothing is ever true; it's just a way of thinking that appears to fit the observed facts.  The paragraph above might fit the observed facts and might be accurate from an economic and game-theoretic standpoint, but saying so isn't likely to get you any dates.
 
2014-02-27 09:51:18 AM  
Aaand....no pictures int he article.
 
2014-02-27 09:51:51 AM  
rs1098.pbsrc.com

i1.sndcdn.com

She's cute. Not worth getting murdered over but cute
 
2014-02-27 09:51:59 AM  

R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: She obviously has some moral deficiencies.

Do some moral deficiencies automatically mean all or any of others?  I don't think so.

No, but obviously she has no moral compass whatsoever.


I don't think that logically follows.
 
2014-02-27 09:54:39 AM  

Lokkii: Not to criticize agenda-driven Feminists for setting up a strawman (Sorry!  Strawwoman) argument that this is all about a woman's sexuality - did any of you bother to read the rest of the article before leaping to your preordained conclusion? I'm guessing not.  There were a few other hints her sister might have picked up on about a propensity to make bad decisions. That is not, of course, to say that allher decisions were bad. Personally, I, for one, think women making porn movies is a good decision, and I encourage more of them to explore their sexuality on-screen.

However, back to the hints that she was prone to dangerous and/or violent behaviors which her sister might have noticed, which mentioned in the article and are quoted below:
--------
"There's also a variety of mug shots from previous arrests, including for assault, shoplifting and driving without a license.

As for the new murder charge, police said she killed Worzalla, a man she stayed with off and on, then stole a lot of his property.

Police said Worzalla's DNA was found on bloody items located at the crime scene.

"[There was] some blood at the crime scene on some of the items that were used to commit this crime and some of the clothing, sheets, other things like that so we were able to directly tie her to this crime through DNA evidence," said Detective Steve Berry with the Mesa Police Department.

Walthers' sister said she isn't a killer.

"I know my sister, that's all I can say," she said.

Walthers hasn't admitted to the crime, but according to court paperwork she tried to recruit a family member as an accomplice. "


True, but the headline talks about how being in an adult film, working at Hooters, and possibly being a bad parent are part of the obvious murder implications.  Assault, maybe.
 
2014-02-27 09:55:08 AM  
HotWingConspiracy:
It is kind of bizarre. When everyone gets in to a moral shame panic over Miley Cyrus, all I can think is "I want to party with that chick".

And then the reaction to women that present themselves as "wholesome" is to describe in great detail of all the ways they want to sexually use them.


1 - Your name is far too appropriate

2 - Why would you want to party with Mily Cyrus?  She seems annoying.  I know she's a brilliant publicity artist and no one got the wrecking ball joke, but she still seems like an obnoxious 20 year old.

3 - That chick loves pills.  It has nothing to do with what you said, but look at her.
 
2014-02-27 09:58:02 AM  

johnperkins: Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?

I've never been able to find the source of the quote, but I've heard the answer described as 'because it screws up the p**** economy.'  The idea, I think, is that women exert a certain amount of control over men through access to sex.  This appears to be the case with many other species as well.  It may be on a wide level (  http://www.policymic.com/articles/82137/women-around-the-world-are-us i ng-sex-strikes-to-create-social-change  ), or it may be on a personal level (a version of 'you're sleeping on the couch tonight' ), If sex is difficult to obtain, then you can charge a high, resource-intensive price like a lifetime contract for food and shelter for yourself and your offspring.  The cheaper (resource-wise) sex becomes, the more difficult it becomes for people to bargain for the high value contract (marriage) vs. a low value contract (dinner and a movie).  This appears to be why sluts may be looked down on by other women- because they (sluts) devalue the currency (access to sex).  This also appears to be why porn and masturbation are frequently treated in such a negative light- because they bring the transactional cost of access to sex down to near zero.  Women (some) don't like this stuff because it devalues their commodity.  Society (some) doesn't like this stuff because it undermines the structure of many societies.

I don't know that all of the above is true.  Almost nothing is ever true; it's just a way of thinking that appears to fit the observed facts.  The paragraph above might fit the observed facts and might be accurate from an economic and game-theoretic standpoint, but saying so isn't likely to get you any dates.


I can understand this.
Historically here in Arizona, gambling and prostitution were legal until families began to arrive. Then the women pushed to have those things made illegal.
 
2014-02-27 09:58:06 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: It is kind of bizarre. When everyone gets in to a moral shame panic over Miley Cyrus, all I can think is "I want to party with that chick".

And then the reaction to women that present themselves as "wholesome" is to describe in great detail of all the ways they want to sexually use them.


Ah, that's easy.

If a woman is heavily experienced then they're worn out and thus useless. Plus, it's hard to feel like a sex god when you know for a fact that they've had multiple someone's who were better/bigger than you and you're probably low on the list of good times. Knowing that ruins their arrogant illusions of grandeur.

On the other hand, the more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt it.

/I only subscribe to the second notion
//Not about women, but about anything in general
///Jaded as hell
 
2014-02-27 09:59:38 AM  

eyemarten: Ponzholio: So... umm... is this a bad time to ask what was the name of the video?

Found on wiki.answers:
Who is autumn from backroom casting couch
Current answer: Judith Walthers


A GIS of "Autumn from backroom casting couch" brings up some interesting pictures.

/don't try this at work
 
2014-02-27 10:01:02 AM  

Erisire: R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: She obviously has some moral deficiencies.

Do some moral deficiencies automatically mean all or any of others?  I don't think so.

No, but obviously she has no moral compass whatsoever.

I don't think that logically follows.


It's a level of immorality. Porn stars, for the most part, are not doing porn out of a love for sex. Murderers, for the most part, aren't killing because they love to kill. They both know that there is a moral issue with what they are doing.

Neither is an act a well adjusted person does. There are lots of women that like lots of sex that do not sell themselves. HUGE difference.
 
2014-02-27 10:02:26 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I dunno, they bring people food and drinks inside of a restaurant. I've never been able to purchase sex from them.


I've never bought sex from godaddy either, but they sure sell sex in their ads.

and I don't care what the girls in hooters bring you.  they aren't waitresses.
 
2014-02-27 10:03:56 AM  

frepnog: and I don't care what the girls in hooters bring you.  they aren't waitresses.


That is exactly what they are. You order food and drink, they bring it. The fact that they are (sometimes) pretty and wear uniforms that accentuate their figures is irrelevant. You can bring kids to Hooters.
 
2014-02-27 10:05:11 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?

It is kind of bizarre. When everyone gets in to a moral shame panic over Miley Cyrus, all I can think is "I want to party with that chick".

And then the reaction to women that present themselves as "wholesome" is to describe in great detail of all the ways they want to sexually use them.


I don't get in a moral panic about Miley Cyrus.

But I can't imagine she'd be fun to party with.  She comes across as being WAY too annoying.
 
2014-02-27 10:05:34 AM  

frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: I dunno, they bring people food and drinks inside of a restaurant. I've never been able to purchase sex from them.

I've never bought sex from godaddy either, but they sure sell sex in their ads.

and I don't care what the girls in hooters bring you.  they aren't waitresses.


wait·ress
ˈwātris/
noun
plural noun: waitresses
1
.
a woman whose job is to serve customers at their tables in a restaurant.
 
2014-02-27 10:07:45 AM  

DarkVader: HotWingConspiracy: Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?

It is kind of bizarre. When everyone gets in to a moral shame panic over Miley Cyrus, all I can think is "I want to party with that chick".

And then the reaction to women that present themselves as "wholesome" is to describe in great detail of all the ways they want to sexually use them.

I don't get in a moral panic about Miley Cyrus.

But I can't imagine she'd be fun to party with.  She comes across as being WAY too annoying.


She's not a slut, she's one dimensional and unimaginative.
 
2014-02-27 10:07:51 AM  

frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: I dunno, they bring people food and drinks inside of a restaurant. I've never been able to purchase sex from them.

I've never bought sex from godaddy either, but they sure sell sex in their ads.

and I don't care what the girls in hooters bring you.  they aren't waitresses.


Huh. Every other place on the planet where someone makes 2.13 an hour to bring beer and slimy wings to someone that would be a waitress.
 
2014-02-27 10:09:02 AM  
Apparently frepnog would also like everyone to know that you did not purchase domain hosting from GoDaddy. You. Did. Not.
 
2014-02-27 10:09:24 AM  

mike_d85: HotWingConspiracy:
It is kind of bizarre. When everyone gets in to a moral shame panic over Miley Cyrus, all I can think is "I want to party with that chick".

And then the reaction to women that present themselves as "wholesome" is to describe in great detail of all the ways they want to sexually use them.

1 - Your name is far too appropriate

2 - Why would you want to party with Mily Cyrus?  She seems annoying.  I know she's a brilliant publicity artist and no one got the wrecking ball joke, but she still seems like an obnoxious 20 year old.


I just want to share drugs with her in her mansion's sex dungeon and see where it goes. I don't plan on discussing the news of the day, I could give a shiat how annoying she might be.
 
2014-02-27 10:10:42 AM  
Wow 20 years old and a bunch of arrests. Good job.

The roomate used to work at a Hooters type breastaurant called Baileys. I knew a lot of the girls that worked there and on the rare occasion  I went there the way they were treated not just by customers but by management just creeped me out.
 
2014-02-27 10:12:54 AM  

R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: She obviously has some moral deficiencies.

Do some moral deficiencies automatically mean all or any of others?  I don't think so.

No, but obviously she has no moral compass whatsoever.

I don't think that logically follows.

It's a level of immorality. Porn stars, for the most part, are not doing porn out of a love for sex. Murderers, for the most part, aren't killing because they love to kill. They both know that there is a moral issue with what they are doing.

Neither is an act a well adjusted person does. There are lots of women that like lots of sex that do not sell themselves. HUGE difference.


So what you're saying is that men and women who work in the adult film industry are the same as murderers, morally?
 
2014-02-27 10:14:35 AM  

Erisire: R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: She obviously has some moral deficiencies.

Do some moral deficiencies automatically mean all or any of others?  I don't think so.

No, but obviously she has no moral compass whatsoever.

I don't think that logically follows.

It's a level of immorality. Porn stars, for the most part, are not doing porn out of a love for sex. Murderers, for the most part, aren't killing because they love to kill. They both know that there is a moral issue with what they are doing.

Neither is an act a well adjusted person does. There are lots of women that like lots of sex that do not sell themselves. HUGE difference.

So what you're saying is that men and women who work in the adult film industry are the same as murderers, morally?


There are levels in everything now aren't there.
 
2014-02-27 10:15:34 AM  

R.A.Danny: frepnog: and I don't care what the girls in hooters bring you.  they aren't waitresses.

That is exactly what they are. You order food and drink, they bring it. The fact that they are (sometimes) pretty and wear uniforms that accentuate their figures is irrelevant. You can bring kids to Hooters.


Well, to be honest, whenever I leave Hooters, I am always exhausted from all the sex I drank and ate. My GF is usually just as tired.
 
2014-02-27 10:15:45 AM  

R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: She obviously has some moral deficiencies.

Do some moral deficiencies automatically mean all or any of others?  I don't think so.

No, but obviously she has no moral compass whatsoever.

I don't think that logically follows.

It's a level of immorality. Porn stars, for the most part, are not doing porn out of a love for sex. Murderers, for the most part, aren't killing because they love to kill. They both know that there is a moral issue with what they are doing.

Neither is an act a well adjusted person does. There are lots of women that like lots of sex that do not sell themselves. HUGE difference.

So what you're saying is that men and women who work in the adult film industry are the same as murderers, morally?

There are levels in everything now aren't there.


What is the moral issue with creating pornography?
 
2014-02-27 10:15:52 AM  

R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: She obviously has some moral deficiencies.

Do some moral deficiencies automatically mean all or any of others?  I don't think so.

No, but obviously she has no moral compass whatsoever.

I don't think that logically follows.

It's a level of immorality. Porn stars, for the most part, are not doing porn out of a love for sex. Murderers, for the most part, aren't killing because they love to kill. They both know that there is a moral issue with what they are doing.

Neither is an act a well adjusted person does. There are lots of women that like lots of sex that do not sell themselves. HUGE difference.

So what you're saying is that men and women who work in the adult film industry are the same as murderers, morally?

There are levels in everything now aren't there.


But given the high drug use, the disease being passed about knowingly, the suicides, the slavery, and yes, the murders within the adult entertainment community, there is a correlation.
 
2014-02-27 10:16:14 AM  

R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: Erisire: R.A.Danny: She obviously has some moral deficiencies.

Do some moral deficiencies automatically mean all or any of others?  I don't think so.

No, but obviously she has no moral compass whatsoever.

I don't think that logically follows.

It's a level of immorality. Porn stars, for the most part, are not doing porn out of a love for sex. Murderers, for the most part, aren't killing because they love to kill. They both know that there is a moral issue with what they are doing.

Neither is an act a well adjusted person does. There are lots of women that like lots of sex that do not sell themselves. HUGE difference.

So what you're saying is that men and women who work in the adult film industry are the same as murderers, morally?

There are levels in everything now aren't there.


Ok, is this about The King In Yellow?  I haven't finished it.
 
2014-02-27 10:16:25 AM  

Erisire: Oh.  Why didn't I notice this was Arizona?  Maybe soon people can refuse to serve her on religious standing purely for working at Hooters.


Arizona is NOT in the Bible Belt.
 
2014-02-27 10:19:38 AM  

BSABSVR: Every other place on the planet where someone makes 2.13 an hour to bring beer and slimy wings to someone that would be a waitress.


Just checked the Hooters website.

Not one job listing for a waitress.  Not.  One.

Lots of Hooters Girl openings.  Heh.

Hooters Girls may perform the duties of a waitress, but a Hooters Girl's job is sex appeal.

It also (Hooters Girls not being waitresses) may have something to do with men suing Hooters because they won't hire male Hooters Girls.
 
2014-02-27 10:20:57 AM  

frepnog: BSABSVR: Every other place on the planet where someone makes 2.13 an hour to bring beer and slimy wings to someone that would be a waitress.

Just checked the Hooters website.

Not one job listing for a waitress.  Not.  One.

Lots of Hooters Girl openings.  Heh.

Hooters Girls may perform the duties of a waitress, but a Hooters Girl's job is sex appeal.

It also (Hooters Girls not being waitresses) may have something to do with men suing Hooters because they won't hire male Hooters Girls.


Have you ever been in a Hooters?
 
2014-02-27 10:21:57 AM  

jrodr018: Well, to be honest, whenever I leave Hooters, I am always exhausted from all the sex I drank and ate. My GF is usually just as tired.


Don't be obtuse.  You and every other mouth breather in here know full well why one goes to Hooters, and it isn't the shiatty overpriced food.
 
2014-02-27 10:24:09 AM  

frepnog: BSABSVR: Every other place on the planet where someone makes 2.13 an hour to bring beer and slimy wings to someone that would be a waitress.

Just checked the Hooters website.

Not one job listing for a waitress.  Not.  One.

Lots of Hooters Girl openings.  Heh.

Hooters Girls may perform the duties of a waitress, but a Hooters Girl's job is sex appeal.

It also (Hooters Girls not being waitresses) may have something to do with men suing Hooters because they won't hire male Hooters Girls.


Do they have cooks? All I see are kitchen staff wanted on their site. How do they cook their terrible wings without line cooks?
 
2014-02-27 10:24:40 AM  

fnordest: Erisire: Oh.  Why didn't I notice this was Arizona?  Maybe soon people can refuse to serve her on religious standing purely for working at Hooters.

Arizona is NOT in the Bible Belt.


It's more like the flappy, unsecured, end of the bible belt. ;)
 
2014-02-27 10:25:02 AM  

frepnog: jrodr018: Well, to be honest, whenever I leave Hooters, I am always exhausted from all the sex I drank and ate. My GF is usually just as tired.

Don't be obtuse.  You and every other mouth breather in here know full well why one goes to Hooters, and it isn't the shiatty overpriced food.


Call your pastor. Name calling is frowned upon in church.
 
2014-02-27 10:25:29 AM  

jrodr018: frepnog: BSABSVR: Every other place on the planet where someone makes 2.13 an hour to bring beer and slimy wings to someone that would be a waitress.

Just checked the Hooters website.

Not one job listing for a waitress.  Not.  One.

Lots of Hooters Girl openings.  Heh.

Hooters Girls may perform the duties of a waitress, but a Hooters Girl's job is sex appeal.

It also (Hooters Girls not being waitresses) may have something to do with men suing Hooters because they won't hire male Hooters Girls.

Do they have cooks? All I see are kitchen staff wanted on their site. How do they cook their terrible wings without line cooks?


They're back there frying up some sex.
 
2014-02-27 10:25:35 AM  

jrodr018: their terrible


I remember a time when Hooter's wings were the standard. That was as good as wings got unless you were actually in Buffalo.

We also wore onions in our belts and beat our women with sticks no thicker than our thumbs.
 
2014-02-27 10:25:47 AM  

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She's cute. Not worth getting murdered over but cute


Indeed, but I think we really need to see video evidence to better inform our opinion...
 
2014-02-27 10:28:11 AM  

R.A.Danny: jrodr018: their terrible

I remember a time when Hooter's wings were the standard. That was as good as wings got unless you were actually in Buffalo.

We also wore onions in our belts and beat our women with sticks no thicker than our thumbs.


For some we should probably use the Rule of Wrist...
 
2014-02-27 10:31:01 AM  

R.A.Danny: jrodr018: their terrible

I remember a time when Hooter's wings were the standard. That was as good as wings got unless you were actually in Buffalo.

We also wore onions in our belts and beat our women with sticks no thicker than our thumbs.


To be fair, I meant terrible as in health-wise. I still remember the first time I had sex- hm, sorry I had Hooters wings with cheap beer. Most worthy diarrhea ever.
 
2014-02-27 10:31:06 AM  

R.A.Danny: Have you ever been in a Hooters?


twice.  the food sucks and if I want to see titties I'll go to a strip club or pull my wife's shirt off.

you guys ever work at Wal-Mart?  Full time employees are called Associates, not employees or stockers or baggers.  It's the same thing.

OF COURSE Hooters Girls are waitresses.  But they aren't.
 
2014-02-27 10:36:09 AM  
And their food is pretty terrible.  Probably the worst wings I have ever had and I remember the burgers at my high school cafeteria were better than the burgers at Hooters.   We only ever went to look at the titties and drink beer anyway.   And you didnt have the annoyance of them coming up and asking if you wanted a private dance every 5 mins.
 
2014-02-27 10:36:46 AM  

frepnog: jrodr018: Well, to be honest, whenever I leave Hooters, I am always exhausted from all the sex I drank and ate. My GF is usually just as tired.

Don't be obtuse.  You and every other mouth breather in here know full well why one goes to Hooters, and it isn't the shiatty overpriced food.


Business meetings where the vendor doesn't have the gumption to take you to an actual strip club?
 
2014-02-27 10:41:50 AM  
From the video:

"Did she murder the guy or what?"


That is some fine investigative journalism right there. The station should be proud...
 
2014-02-27 10:46:20 AM  
frepnog:

You're now farkied as "thinks Hooters is a brothel"
 
2014-02-27 10:46:45 AM  

frepnog: jrodr018: Well, to be honest, whenever I leave Hooters, I am always exhausted from all the sex I drank and ate. My GF is usually just as tired.

Don't be obtuse.  You and every other mouth breather in here know full well why one goes to Hooters, and it isn't the shiatty overpriced food.


All I have to say to that is... Which hooters do you go to? I'd like to check it out.
 
2014-02-27 10:50:01 AM  

jrodr018: Do they have cooks? All I see are kitchen staff wanted on their site. How do they cook their terrible wings without line cooks?


Those aren't line cooks, they're fluffers.
 
2014-02-27 11:00:21 AM  

ReverendJasen: frepnog:

You're now farkied as "thinks Hooters is a brothel"


What I said was that Hooters sells sex.  And they do.  To deny it is to be a fool.
 
2014-02-27 11:01:00 AM  

misanthropic1: Business meetings where the vendor doesn't have the gumption to take you to an actual strip club?


i like you.
 
2014-02-27 11:01:37 AM  

frepnog: ReverendJasen: frepnog:

You're now farkied as "thinks Hooters is a brothel"

What I said was that Hooters sells sex.  And they do.  To deny it is to be a fool.


No, it uses sex to sell. You will acquire no sex at Hooters.
 
2014-02-27 11:02:55 AM  

groppet: Wow 20 years old and a bunch of arrests. Good job.

The roomate used to work at a Hooters type breastaurant called Baileys. I knew a lot of the girls that worked there and on the rare occasion  I went there the way they were treated not just by customers but by management just creeped me out.


That is fantastic. I have just added the word 'breastaurant' to my vocabulary.

1 free internet to you.
 
2014-02-27 11:10:22 AM  

R.A.Danny: frepnog: ReverendJasen: frepnog:

You're now farkied as "thinks Hooters is a brothel"

What I said was that Hooters sells sex.  And they do.  To deny it is to be a fool.

No, it uses sex to sell. You will acquire no sex at Hooters.


the entire attraction of Hooters is the Hooters Girl.  take them away and Hooters would soon cease to exist.  You can say they are using sex to sell, but in this case it is incorrect.  The ENTIRE reason one goes to Hooters is to oogle the Hooters Girls.  Period.  you can claim wings, atmosphere, beer, but you didn't go there for those things.

What you are paying for when you go to Hooters is attention from a Hooters Girl.  And they are good at it.

Yes....  Hooters sells SEX, specifically SEX APPEAL.  It is the entire thing the business is built on.

from the Hooters Handbook -

The Hooters concept is based on female sex appeal and the work environment is one in which joking and entertaining conversations are commonplace.

Now all of you shut the fark up.  Hooters ITSELF is saying that they are selling sex.  The owners of Hooters know why you come in the door.  It ain't orange chicken wings.
 
2014-02-27 11:12:53 AM  

frepnog: the entire attraction of Hooters is the Hooters Girl.  take them away and Hooters would soon cease to exist.


You are 100% wrong and you are a bad person. Please stop projecting your perversities on everything and everyone around you.
 
2014-02-27 11:13:03 AM  

eyemarten: That is fantastic. I have just added the word 'breastaurant' to my vocabulary.


that word isn't common knowledge?  Tilted Kilt.
 
2014-02-27 11:14:00 AM  

eyemarten: groppet: Wow 20 years old and a bunch of arrests. Good job.

The roomate used to work at a Hooters type breastaurant called Baileys. I knew a lot of the girls that worked there and on the rare occasion  I went there the way they were treated not just by customers but by management just creeped me out.

That is fantastic. I have just added the word 'breastaurant' to my vocabulary.

1 free internet to you.


Well thank you but I cannot claim it as my own. I have seen it thrown around Fark a lot the past year when a hooters type place pops up in a story.
 
2014-02-27 11:14:25 AM  

ReverendJasen: frepnog:

You're now farkied as "thinks Hooters is a brothel"


He's a pretty shiatty troll.
 
2014-02-27 11:14:58 AM  

frepnog: eyemarten: That is fantastic. I have just added the word 'breastaurant' to my vocabulary.

that word isn't common knowledge?  Tilted Kilt.


How many breastaurant's do you hit on a daily basis?

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-27 11:19:53 AM  
I'm still shocked that adults on Fark still don't realize that when the subject is a word that starts with a vowel, it's 
"an" not "a."
 
2014-02-27 11:24:33 AM  

frepnog: eyemarten: That is fantastic. I have just added the word 'breastaurant' to my vocabulary.

that word isn't common knowledge?  Tilted Kilt.


They actually have pretty damn tasty food.
 
2014-02-27 11:25:41 AM  

NiceBeaver: Man...a ton of white knights and thin skin in this thread.
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Oh no, he called you all "white knights" because you pointed out subby's stupidity.  That should put you all in your place.
 
2014-02-27 11:30:36 AM  

frepnog: R.A.Danny: frepnog: ReverendJasen: frepnog:

You're now farkied as "thinks Hooters is a brothel"

What I said was that Hooters sells sex.  And they do.  To deny it is to be a fool.

No, it uses sex to sell. You will acquire no sex at Hooters.

the entire attraction of Hooters is the Hooters Girl.  take them away and Hooters would soon cease to exist.  You can say they are using sex to sell, but in this case it is incorrect.  The ENTIRE reason one goes to Hooters is to oogle the Hooters Girls.  Period.  you can claim wings, atmosphere, beer, but you didn't go there for those things.

What you are paying for when you go to Hooters is attention from a Hooters Girl.  And they are good at it.

Yes....  Hooters sells SEX, specifically SEX APPEAL.  It is the entire thing the business is built on.

from the Hooters Handbook -

The Hooters concept is based on female sex appeal and the work environment is one in which joking and entertaining conversations are commonplace.

Now all of you shut the fark up.  Hooters ITSELF is saying that they are selling sex.  The owners of Hooters know why you come in the door.  It ain't orange chicken wings.


Come on, he's got a point.  People may go in for that, but your claim is still basically the same as saying that pretty much anyplace else "sells coupons."  It's a mechanism to induce sales, but that's marketing, not the product being sold.  The fact that it's undeniably effective marketing, and that people wouldn't buy the shiatty product without it, doesn't change that.

R.A.Danny: frepnog: the entire attraction of Hooters is the Hooters Girl.  take them away and Hooters would soon cease to exist.

You are 100% wrong and you are a bad person. Please stop projecting your perversities on everything and everyone around you.


Wow, that view is no less wrong.  Let's be honest, he's right that nobody would go there if not for the sex appeal.  You can get better wings all over the place, the beer is light swill, and it's all way overpriced.  "Straight guys like tits" is not a perversity, it's not a projection, and it doesn't make someone a bad person.  It may not be noble, but there's no grand moral evil to sex.  It is what it is, and Hooters uses sex as it's primary sales tool.  Or do you really think the name is talking about owls?
 
2014-02-27 11:31:34 AM  
Here to white knight for Hooters -- the original Hooters in Clearwater, FL serves pretty damn decent food.  The other locations in that area are also ok for food.  The franchised locations that exist all over the world almost universally suck.

Also, those of you who are convinced that being a Hooters waitress is sinful are freakin' sick.  I sort of understand the mistaken animosity for sex workers because that is a life that most people don't understand, and because it can be a dark place in many situations.  I would ask you to reconsider your judgmental reaction to their life choices.
 
2014-02-27 11:31:43 AM  
I think when I open threads like this "Cherry Pie" should play immediately.
 
2014-02-27 11:33:29 AM  

frepnog: R.A.Danny: frepnog: ReverendJasen: frepnog:

You're now farkied as "thinks Hooters is a brothel"

What I said was that Hooters sells sex.  And they do.  To deny it is to be a fool.

No, it uses sex to sell. You will acquire no sex at Hooters.

the entire attraction of Hooters is the Hooters Girl.  take them away and Hooters would soon cease to exist.  You can say they are using sex to sell, but in this case it is incorrect.  The ENTIRE reason one goes to Hooters is to oogle the Hooters Girls.  Period.  you can claim wings, atmosphere, beer, but you didn't go there for those things.

What you are paying for when you go to Hooters is attention from a Hooters Girl.  And they are good at it.

Yes....  Hooters sells SEX, specifically SEX APPEAL.  It is the entire thing the business is built on.

from the Hooters Handbook -

The Hooters concept is based on female sex appeal and the work environment is one in which joking and entertaining conversations are commonplace.

Now all of you shut the fark up.  Hooters ITSELF is saying that they are selling sex.  The owners of Hooters know why you come in the door.  It ain't orange chicken wings.

The Hooters concept is based on female sex appeal

 = Hooters sells sex.

Bad troll, bad!

/And I am worse since I replied
 
2014-02-27 11:35:15 AM  

Last Man on Earth: Let's be honest, he's right that nobody would go there if not for the sex appeal.


I would.

It seems a lot of people equate Hooters girls with sex workers though. It's sad and narrow minded.
 
2014-02-27 11:38:51 AM  
Yeah, the hooters waitress thing is relevant
 
2014-02-27 11:41:12 AM  

doubled99: Yeah, the hooters waitress thing is relevant


I love when threads take unexpected off ramps into the irrelevant.
 
2014-02-27 11:44:50 AM  
If you really equate Hooters with SEX SEX SEX, your virginity is showing
 
2014-02-27 11:48:42 AM  

Last Man on Earth: frepnog: R.A.Danny: frepnog: ReverendJasen: frepnog:

Come on, he's got a point.  People may go in for that, but your claim is still basically the same as saying that pretty much anyplace else "sells coupons."  It's a mechanism to induce sales, but that's marketing, not the product being sold.  The fact that it's undeniably effective marketing, and that people wouldn't buy the shiatty product without it, doesn't change that.

R.A.Danny: frepnog: the entire attraction of Hooters is the Hooters Girl.  take them away and Hooters would soon cease to exist.

You are 100% wrong and you are a bad person. Please stop projecting your perversities on everything and everyone around you.

Wow, that view is no less wrong.  Let's be honest, he's right that nobody would go there if not for the sex appeal.  You can get better wings all over the place, the beer is light swill, and it's all way over ...


To be fair, Frepnog is villifying Hooters waitresses, equating that job with prostitution and with being a murderer. That to me is the perverse part.

if you are willing to sell yourself (hooters, video), are willing to break laws that get you arrested, are a lousy parent, you have demonstrated that your moral compass is likely broken.

that is why it isn't a stretch to think she killed someone.  has nothing to do with sex and you morons equating it with that are just that.
 
2014-02-27 12:01:51 PM  

jrodr018: To be fair, Frepnog is villifying Hooters waitresses, equating that job with prostitution and with being a murderer. That to me is the perverse part.


i am not vilifying anything.  A Hooter's Girl is one step away from a stripper, however, and many Hooters Girls ARE strippers (or have been) and let's not pretend that most strippers are not a 100 dollar bill away from a blowjob in the champagne room.  Hooters Girls are selling themselves.
 
2014-02-27 12:03:25 PM  
The one Hooters waitress I knew personally was finishing up a Masters in Exercise Physiology at MSU (Go Spartans!). She told me that she only used her 'assets' to get a customers to buy more beer and food they wouldn't eat, just to make the bill higher and get a better tip. Oh, and thrusting her tits at the old dudes was another tip increasing method - tits.

/I always just tipped the standard 20%
//csb
///she was a lesbian, so no action even though she was a friend
 
2014-02-27 12:05:59 PM  

jrodr018: Last Man on Earth: frepnog: R.A.Danny: frepnog: ReverendJasen: frepnog:

Come on, he's got a point.  People may go in for that, but your claim is still basically the same as saying that pretty much anyplace else "sells coupons."  It's a mechanism to induce sales, but that's marketing, not the product being sold.  The fact that it's undeniably effective marketing, and that people wouldn't buy the shiatty product without it, doesn't change that.

R.A.Danny: frepnog: the entire attraction of Hooters is the Hooters Girl.  take them away and Hooters would soon cease to exist.

You are 100% wrong and you are a bad person. Please stop projecting your perversities on everything and everyone around you.

Wow, that view is no less wrong.  Let's be honest, he's right that nobody would go there if not for the sex appeal.  You can get better wings all over the place, the beer is light swill, and it's all way over ...

To be fair, Frepnog is villifying Hooters waitresses, equating that job with prostitution and with being a murderer. That to me is the perverse part.

if you are willing to sell yourself (hooters, video), are willing to break laws that get you arrested, are a lousy parent, you have demonstrated that your moral compass is likely broken.

that is why it isn't a stretch to think she killed someone.  has nothing to do with sex and you morons equating it with that are just that.


Oh yeah, that's undeniably twisted.  On the other hand, R.A.Danny was saying exactly the same crap before Frepnog showed up in the thread:  "obviously she has no moral compass whatsoever."
"It's a level of immorality. Porn stars, for the most part, are not doing porn out of a love for sex. Murderers, for the most part, aren't killing because they love to kill. They both know that there is a moral issue with what they are doing.  Neither is an act a well adjusted person does. There are lots of women that like lots of sex that do not sell themselves. HUGE difference."

I don't see how the two aren't saying exactly the same thing.  Both are claiming that sex and sexuality are bad things, and that they demonstrate some intrinsic immorality and evil.  It doesn't NECESSARILY make her a killer, but it makes it much more likely.  I just can;t understand what a warped view someone must have of sex to reach conclusions like those.
 
2014-02-27 12:15:10 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Both are claiming that sex and sexuality are bad things, and that they demonstrate some intrinsic immorality and evil.


I never said that. There is a LOT of evil in the sex trade though, that cannot be overlooked. Sex and the sex trade are not the same things.
 
2014-02-27 12:22:31 PM  

R.A.Danny: Last Man on Earth: Both are claiming that sex and sexuality are bad things, and that they demonstrate some intrinsic immorality and evil.

I never said that. There is a LOT of evil in the sex trade though, that cannot be overlooked. Sex and the sex trade are not the same things.


Yes, there is.  The thing that you ignored, though, is that women who sell sex are seeing the evils (which isn't necessarily true, just because the sex trade has evils doesn't mean the sex trade itself is evil), it's as the victims.  The perpetrators of the evil aren't the ones selling their bodies.  Claiming that acting in porn is intrinsically evil regardless of any other factors, or indeed that porn in general is evil regardless of any other factors, is an exceedingly narrow-minded worldview.
 
2014-02-27 12:25:20 PM  

eyemarten: Ponzholio: So... umm... is this a bad time to ask what was the name of the video?

Found on wiki.answers:
Who is autumn from backroom casting couch
Current answer: Judith Walthers


Wow.  She's crazy - really crazy.  Way past the line on the hot/crazy scale.

But she doesn't look like she would have the strength to beat somebody to death.  I could believe shooting, possibly stabbing, but even that's iffy.  But not beating.

And doesn't Hooters usually hire ladies with bigger hooters?
 
2014-02-27 12:25:56 PM  

Last Man on Earth: R.A.Danny: Last Man on Earth: Both are claiming that sex and sexuality are bad things, and that they demonstrate some intrinsic immorality and evil.

I never said that. There is a LOT of evil in the sex trade though, that cannot be overlooked. Sex and the sex trade are not the same things.

Yes, there is.  The thing that you ignored, though, is that women who sell sex are seeing the evils (which isn't necessarily true, just because the sex trade has evils doesn't mean the sex trade itself is evil), it's as the victims.  The perpetrators of the evil aren't the ones selling their bodies.  Claiming that acting in porn is intrinsically evil regardless of any other factors, or indeed that porn in general is evil regardless of any other factors, is an exceedingly narrow-minded worldview.


Oh, I see all that, it just wasn't part of the conversation way up there. I'm not anti-porn or anything, I just see a correlation with a lot of porn stars and a downward spiral into crime and death. I am sure there are some starlets out there that are in the business to get paid to take miles of pipe and they LOVE every inch, but they are the  exception. I can type a novel explaining everything, but I usually just assume that people won't read a novel into everything typed.
 
2014-02-27 12:27:56 PM  

misanthropic1: frepnog: jrodr018: Well, to be honest, whenever I leave Hooters, I am always exhausted from all the sex I drank and ate. My GF is usually just as tired.

Don't be obtuse.  You and every other mouth breather in here know full well why one goes to Hooters, and it isn't the shiatty overpriced food.

Business meetings where the vendor doesn't have the gumption to take you to an actual strip club?


Pretty much here.  Here in Portland, all bars must serve food due to some zoning law, and we have a glut of strip clubs.  You can actually get some pretty damn decent food at a strip club, and some of the more popular places have food trucks that park outside.

I can go get a tasty (and reasonably priced) buffalo burger, some great local beers, and see a totally naked chick working a pole, vs.  going to Hooters and getting overpriced orange wings, a Bud Lite, listening to some jackasses screaming and hooting at a football game I don't care about, and have my waitress wearing the thickest pantyhose I've ever seen.

/Seriously Hooters, what is with the farking pantyhose?
 
2014-02-27 12:28:50 PM  

NiceBeaver: Man...a ton of white knights and thin skin in this thread.
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The actual motive for wanting women to be more open about sex has little to do with defending their rights, it's mostly just because it's hot. And headlines like that aren't helping. And to any of you dumbshiats that think porn is evil and makes Jesus cry, imagine how many of you would do it if there was a huge market of women willing to pay to watch you fap.
 
2014-02-27 12:32:54 PM  

R.A.Danny: Last Man on Earth: R.A.Danny: Last Man on Earth: Both are claiming that sex and sexuality are bad things, and that they demonstrate some intrinsic immorality and evil.

I never said that. There is a LOT of evil in the sex trade though, that cannot be overlooked. Sex and the sex trade are not the same things.

Yes, there is.  The thing that you ignored, though, is that women who sell sex are seeing the evils (which isn't necessarily true, just because the sex trade has evils doesn't mean the sex trade itself is evil), it's as the victims.  The perpetrators of the evil aren't the ones selling their bodies.  Claiming that acting in porn is intrinsically evil regardless of any other factors, or indeed that porn in general is evil regardless of any other factors, is an exceedingly narrow-minded worldview.

Oh, I see all that, it just wasn't part of the conversation way up there. I'm not anti-porn or anything, I just see a correlation with a lot of porn stars and a downward spiral into crime and death. I am sure there are some starlets out there that are in the business to get paid to take miles of pipe and they LOVE every inch, but they are the  exception. I can type a novel explaining everything, but I usually just assume that people won't read a novel into everything typed.


I don't know that I do.  I'm sure you can find a handful, but hardly a statistically significant number, unless you're incuding things like drug use and abuse.  I'm not claiming that they love the job, either.  Most people in the industry probably see it as a way to make money, one they don't particularly enjoy, but it gets them more than waiting tables.  I'm not trying to defend it as some great good, but I just don't think there's any "moral issue" like you wrote upthread, or at least not one outside of the box society puts it in.  That's hardly connected to things like murder, which are wrong on an intrinsic level, not just socially frowned on.
 
2014-02-27 12:35:11 PM  

EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.


Came here to say "sex-negative much?" Leaving proud of fellow farkers.
 
2014-02-27 12:35:51 PM  

Last Man on Earth: I just don't think there's any "moral issue" like you wrote upthread, or at least not one outside of the box society puts it in.


The moral issue is people doing business as sex traffickers or doing business WITH sex traffickers. How can you say none of the actors are being coerced or are knowingly working with people being coerced into the trade?
 
2014-02-27 12:40:10 PM  

Andyr2120: Here to white knight for Hooters -- the original Hooters in Clearwater, FL serves pretty damn decent food.  The other locations in that area are also ok for food.  The franchised locations that exist all over the world almost universally suck.

Also, those of you who are convinced that being a Hooters waitress is sinful are freakin' sick.  I sort of understand the mistaken animosity for sex workers because that is a life that most people don't understand, and because it can be a dark place in many situations.  I would ask you to reconsider your judgmental reaction to their life choices.


I vaguely remember Hooters serving not horrible food, shortly after they opened here in town.

I was still annoyed, because they bought out a place called Shuckers, which had sort of the same waitress theme going on, but had MUCH better food.  I remember the bucket of steamed oysters, which I'd usually precede with an appetizer of raw oysters.

But the last time I went to a Hooters, not only were the wings horrible, I was sick for three days afterward.  It's been 6-8 years now, and I have no desire to ever go back.
 
2014-02-27 12:41:42 PM  

R.A.Danny: Last Man on Earth: I just don't think there's any "moral issue" like you wrote upthread, or at least not one outside of the box society puts it in.

The moral issue is people doing business as sex traffickers or doing business WITH sex traffickers. How can you say none of the actors are being coerced or are knowingly working with people being coerced into the trade?


I don't think I ever made that claim.  When you talk about the sex trade as a whole being a moral failing, though, you're painting with a VERY broad brush, and you're expecting everyone to know which specific areas and issues you're referring to in this context.  I get that you don't want to write a treatise, but if you want to discuss specifics, you need to BE SPECIFIC.  You've made absolutely no showing that HER involvement with the sex trade is evidence of a moral failing, one that might make her more likely to commit murder.  Anything past that isn't really relevant to this thread.
 
2014-02-27 12:45:01 PM  

Last Man on Earth: When you talk about the sex trade as a whole being a moral failing, though, you're painting with a VERY broad brush, and you're expecting everyone to know which specific areas and issues you're referring to in this context


Once again, no one is writing War and Peace here. If you want to talk about a point you use that point, you don't just use your own broad brush to pigeonhole other people and their posts.

Last Man on Earth: You've made absolutely no showing that HER involvement with the sex trade is evidence of a moral failing


She allegedly killed someone. Doing porn may or may not have been part of her downward spiral, but it certainly didn't help.
 
2014-02-27 12:47:55 PM  
Her vid is pretty good.  She has talent.
 
2014-02-27 12:48:19 PM  
Well, ya got a girl that works at Hooters, that's strike one right there. On top of that she is a waitress so another strike, it just goes down hill from there, her life is already a farked up mess having to deal with that environment. To top it all off and throw her off the deep end, she probably lives in a trailer park.
 
2014-02-27 12:50:55 PM  

R.A.Danny: Last Man on Earth: When you talk about the sex trade as a whole being a moral failing, though, you're painting with a VERY broad brush, and you're expecting everyone to know which specific areas and issues you're referring to in this context

Once again, no one is writing War and Peace here. If you want to talk about a point you use that point, you don't just use your own broad brush to pigeonhole other people and their posts.


Yes, that's an excellent restatement of what I just got through saying.  You've presented nothing but guilt by association for the industry as a whole.


R.A.Danny: She allegedly killed someone. Doing porn may or may not have been part of her downward spiral, but it certainly didn't help.


And if she did, in fact, kill someone, THAT is evidence of a moral failing.  The prior offenses may be evidence of a moral failing, or even of a downward spiral.  The porn?  No indication of a connection there.  It may not have "helped," but that's tantamount to saying that picking up a piece of paper off a desk wouldn't have "helped."  You've done nothing to show a connection one way or the other.
 
2014-02-27 12:51:21 PM  

R.A.Danny: Last Man on Earth: I just don't think there's any "moral issue" like you wrote upthread, or at least not one outside of the box society puts it in.

The moral issue is people doing business as sex traffickers or doing business WITH sex traffickers. How can you say none of the actors are being coerced or are knowingly working with people being coerced into the trade?


Because it's stupid.  It's 2014, there are plenty of women who will willingly work in the sex business, why would you need to coerce someone?

Have you never had a woman ask you to film what you're doing with them?  It really turns some women on.
 
2014-02-27 01:05:50 PM  

johnperkins: If sex is difficult to obtain, then you can charge a high, resource-intensive price like a lifetime contract for food and shelter for yourself and your offspring.


Wait wait wait...you are saying that being married entitles me to sex? Do tell.
 
2014-02-27 01:06:22 PM  

ReverendJasen: jrodr018: Do they have cooks? All I see are kitchen staff wanted on their site. How do they cook their terrible wings without line cooks?

Those aren't line cooks, they're fluffers.


OK, that's hilarious.

EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.


I would say "done in one," but the excursion to Hooters has been enjoyable.
 
2014-02-27 01:07:03 PM  

johnperkins: Nadie_AZ: EvilEgg: Being a slut doesn't make you a murderess.

THIS

Why do women get stigmatized for liking sex?

I've never been able to find the source of the quote, but I've heard the answer described as 'because it screws up the p**** economy.'  The idea, I think, is that women exert a certain amount of control over men through access to sex.  This appears to be the case with many other species as well.  It may be on a wide level (  http://www.policymic.com/articles/82137/women-around-the-world-are-us i ng-sex-strikes-to-create-social-change  ), or it may be on a personal level (a version of 'you're sleeping on the couch tonight' ), If sex is difficult to obtain, then you can charge a high, resource-intensive price like a lifetime contract for food and shelter for yourself and your offspring.  The cheaper (resource-wise) sex becomes, the more difficult it becomes for people to bargain for the high value contract (marriage) vs. a low value contract (dinner and a movie).  This appears to be why sluts may be looked down on by other women- because they (sluts) devalue the currency (access to sex).  This also appears to be why porn and masturbation are frequently treated in such a negative light- because they bring the transactional cost of access to sex down to near zero.  Women (some) don't like this stuff because it devalues their commodity.  Society (some) doesn't like this stuff because it undermines the structure of many societies.

I don't know that all of the above is true.  Almost nothing is ever true; it's just a way of thinking that appears to fit the observed facts.  The paragraph above might fit the observed facts and might be accurate from an economic and game-theoretic standpoint, but saying so isn't likely to get you any dates.


Sometimes I just like fapping.
 
2014-02-27 01:08:08 PM  
No, frepnog is right. Hooters is a shiatty non-nude strip club with bad food. The whole motivation for the place is to have waitresses show some skin and tight clothes, and flirt their way to a large tip.

Hooters could change their slogan to "Just the tip, baby."
 
2014-02-27 01:12:14 PM  
Oh, and

/oblig
 
2014-02-27 01:17:26 PM  
www.iwantlol.com
 
2014-02-27 01:21:00 PM  

Pick13: Anybody have a link to the Video? I have to some research and, see into the mind of killers.



Yeh...and I need to take some pictures...for the archives...

"There's also a variety of mug shots from previous arrests, including for assault, shoplifting and driving without a license."

I like this gal...she sounds like the kind that would drive you around if you lost yer license...even if she doesn't have one.
 
2014-02-27 01:26:48 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: if you are willing to sell yourself (hooters

They sell wings there.

they sell sex there.  the food is not worth stopping for.  You go in Hooters for cute girls in short shorts with skin tight t-shirts.  The girls are not waitresses.

I dunno, they bring people food and drinks inside of a restaurant. I've never been able to purchase sex from them.


They don't get stigmatized for liking sex, they get stigmatized for not liking the right men (those doing the stigmatizing). Or having better taste than to get involved with all the Studmen69s on Fark.
 
2014-02-27 01:33:50 PM  

H31N0US: johnperkins: If sex is difficult to obtain, then you can charge a high, resource-intensive price like a lifetime contract for food and shelter for yourself and your offspring.

Wait wait wait...you are saying that being married entitles me to sex? Do tell.


No.  Entitlement is the 'legal claim or just right to receive or do something.'  In the United States a woman always has the right to say no to sex, even with her husband, so it's not a legal entitlement.  As an issue of morality, the 'just right to receive or do' part isn't something we can answer with a simple 'yes' or 'no' because there is a subjective element to morality (different cultures even within the US, different upbringings, etc.).  A marital contract is an agreement, usually including elements like living together, loving each other, having sex with each other, and supporting each other.  It outlines the bride and grooms' expectations, but not (for the most part) obligations.  The marital contract (western culture, United States) includes the expectation of, but not the obligation to provide access to sex.
 
2014-02-27 01:44:34 PM  

DubyaHater: If only women stayed virgins until marriage, and then stayed in the kitchen, this would never happen.


No, I think it would happen more often.
 
2014-02-27 02:01:46 PM  

Nix Nightbird: No, frepnog is right. Hooters is a shiatty non-nude strip club with bad food. The whole motivation for the place is to have waitresses show some skin and tight clothes, and flirt their way to a large tip.

Hooters could change their slogan to "Just the tip, baby."


no, no, it's just all about empowerment, it has nothing to do with having nothing but tits to add to society.

/working at hooters is not a moral failing.  neither is doing porn.  however, doing either requires one to be able to sell one's self, and to be aware that they are doing it.  young girls that go to work at hooters thinking that they are just waitresses are fooling themselves, as are most girls that go into porn (see Farrah's example, it has basically ruined her).

Ladies, if you dress skimpy for money or have sex for money, you have demonstrated an ability that most people just don't have - that is, that you will do anything for money.  And the fact is that once you have went in that direction, it is a hop and a jump to worse behavior (most strippers are on drugs, for instance) as you really have no moral compass.

Will porn turn one into a murderer?  Probably not, but a woman willing to do porn will often be willing to do other things, and once the legal barrier is broached (drugs, prostitution, violence) anything goes.
 
2014-02-27 02:29:09 PM  

frepnog: Nix Nightbird: No, frepnog is right. Hooters is a shiatty non-nude strip club with bad food. The whole motivation for the place is to have waitresses show some skin and tight clothes, and flirt their way to a large tip.

Hooters could change their slogan to "Just the tip, baby."

no, no, it's just all about empowerment, it has nothing to do with having nothing but tits to add to society.

/working at hooters is not a moral failing.  neither is doing porn.  however, doing either requires one to be able to sell one's self, and to be aware that they are doing it.  young girls that go to work at hooters thinking that they are just waitresses are fooling themselves, as are most girls that go into porn (see Farrah's example, it has basically ruined her).

Ladies, if you dress skimpy for money or have sex for money, you have demonstrated an ability that most people just don't have - that is, that you will do anything for money.  And the fact is that once you have went in that direction, it is a hop and a jump to worse behavior (most strippers are on drugs, for instance) as you really have no moral compass.

Will porn turn one into a murderer?  Probably not, but a woman willing to do porn will often be willing to do other things, and once the legal barrier is broached (drugs, prostitution, violence) anything goes.


In olden days a glimpse of stocking was considered shocking
 
2014-02-27 02:35:40 PM  

doubled99: If you really equate Hooters with SEX SEX SEX, your virginity is showing


I'll pull my pants back up.  Sorry.
 
2014-02-27 02:50:12 PM  

frepnog: Nix Nightbird: No, frepnog is right. Hooters is a shiatty non-nude strip club with bad food. The whole motivation for the place is to have waitresses show some skin and tight clothes, and flirt their way to a large tip.

Hooters could change their slogan to "Just the tip, baby."

no, no, it's just all about empowerment, it has nothing to do with having nothing but tits to add to society.

/working at hooters is not a moral failing.  neither is doing porn.  however, doing either requires one to be able to sell one's self, and to be aware that they are doing it.  young girls that go to work at hooters thinking that they are just waitresses are fooling themselves, as are most girls that go into porn (see Farrah's example, it has basically ruined her).

Ladies, if you dress skimpy for money or have sex for money, you have demonstrated an ability that most people just don't have - that is, that you will do anything for money.  And the fact is that once you have went in that direction, it is a hop and a jump to worse behavior (most strippers are on drugs, for instance) as you really have no moral compass.

Will porn turn one into a murderer?  Probably not, but a woman willing to do porn will often be willing to do other things, and once the legal barrier is broached (drugs, prostitution, violence) anything goes.


You sound like you belong on AM radio.
 
2014-02-27 02:55:27 PM  
Here's a video of her trying to sing. Listening to that almost made it two counts of murder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90kH77vtvOs
 
2014-02-27 03:08:11 PM  

browntimmy: You sound like you belong on AM radio.


i'd take that gig.  trolling the airways for money would rock.  hell, they pay hannity a fortune and he is a goddamn idiot and let's not even talk about Rush.  Listening to Rush makes me feel more stupid by the moment.
 
2014-02-27 03:08:41 PM  

DarkVader: Because it's stupid.  It's 2014, there are plenty of women who will willingly work in the sex business, why would you need to coerce someone?


The illegal sex slavery trade is alive and very well right now.
 
2014-02-27 04:38:51 PM  
Here subby, let's weed out all of the irrelevant bullshiat from your headline:

Woman is shocked, SHOCKED that her sister who was a Hooters waitress, appeared in a adult video, has been on a talk show about questionable parenting and has numerous mug shots from previous arrests could commit murder.

There. Now we're down to relevant data.
 
2014-02-27 05:23:07 PM  

R.A.Danny: DarkVader: Because it's stupid.  It's 2014, there are plenty of women who will willingly work in the sex business, why would you need to coerce someone?

The illegal sex slavery trade is alive and very well right now.


Sure it is, and it is abominable. However many of the other things you've said have lead me to marking you as Captain Hyperbole.

Please learn to use critical thought before you continue to make sweeping pronouncements.

/or don't...I like you as Captain Hyperbole. It keeps things amusing.
 
2014-02-27 05:38:05 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: R.A.Danny: DarkVader: Because it's stupid.  It's 2014, there are plenty of women who will willingly work in the sex business, why would you need to coerce someone?

The illegal sex slavery trade is alive and very well right now.

Sure it is, and it is abominable. However many of the other things you've said have lead me to marking you as Captain Hyperbole.

Please learn to use critical thought before you continue to make sweeping pronouncements.

/or don't...I like you as Captain Hyperbole. It keeps things amusing.


Awww, someone learned a new word. Good job, SParky.
 
2014-02-27 05:46:52 PM  

R.A.Danny: Agent Smiths Laugh: R.A.Danny: DarkVader: Because it's stupid.  It's 2014, there are plenty of women who will willingly work in the sex business, why would you need to coerce someone?

The illegal sex slavery trade is alive and very well right now.

Sure it is, and it is abominable. However many of the other things you've said have lead me to marking you as Captain Hyperbole.

Please learn to use critical thought before you continue to make sweeping pronouncements.

/or don't...I like you as Captain Hyperbole. It keeps things amusing.

Awww, someone learned a new word. Good job, SParky.


Pretty sure the word has been around for quite some time, but thanks Captain.

/the position of Captain Sarcasm is already taken by someone else, you can't have it
//don't you have enough on your plate already?
 
2014-02-27 05:48:37 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: /the position of Captain Sarcasm is already taken by someone else, you can't have it
//don't you have enough on your plate already?


Well if you can't speak towards a talking point you can just ridicule. It's working so well for you already.
 
2014-02-27 06:13:26 PM  

frepnog: Ladies, if you dress skimpy for money or have sex for money, you have demonstrated an ability that most people just don't have - that is, that you will do anything for money.


What about the girls on Girls Gone Wild?

Now you may say that they're not doing it for the money (or for the t-shirt), but that really, they're just doing it on a whim because they're tarts that don't really give a fark if someone sees their hoo-ha. But really, what's the difference between being a tart that doesn't give a fark if someone sees your hoo-ha and being a tart that will put a screwdriver all the way into a child's temple? Or being a tart who will burn down a nursing home? Or being a tart who will commission the death of all of the blacks in the world, plus burn down a rainforest or two? Basically none. Once you've made one absurd slippery slope argument, you may as well make them all. Otherwise, you're basically killing all the Jews. And your parents.
 
2014-02-27 06:31:15 PM  

R.A.Danny: Agent Smiths Laugh: /the position of Captain Sarcasm is already taken by someone else, you can't have it
//don't you have enough on your plate already?

Well if you can't speak towards a talking point you can just ridicule. It's working so well for you already.


I most certainly could dissect a number of the generalizations you've made. I just don't feel like it.

/besides, I like seeing you flail in impotent offense
 
2014-02-27 07:04:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: What is the moral issue with creating pornography?


It is exploitation.

Sort of like why it's morally wrong to offer prisoners their freedom if they donate a kidney (or an eye) to someone or to pay prisoners for becoming lab rats.

It's not exactly the same, but most people that are involved in porn aren't doing it because they have a lot of options.  This is the one last thing on Earth they think they can do to make a buck and support themselves.   They know they are degrading themselves when they are cum gurbling on a strangers penis on video for a couple hundred of bucks, but because of the situation they find themselves in, they often have few other choices.

/What is right?  What is wrong?  Is there such a thing as truth?
 
2014-02-27 09:33:00 PM  

simkatu: HotWingConspiracy: What is the moral issue with creating pornography?

It is exploitation.

Sort of like why it's morally wrong to offer prisoners their freedom if they donate a kidney (or an eye) to someone or to pay prisoners for becoming lab rats.

It's not exactly the same, but most people that are involved in porn aren't doing it because they have a lot of options.  This is the one last thing on Earth they think they can do to make a buck and support themselves.   They know they are degrading themselves when they are cum gurbling on a strangers penis on video for a couple hundred of bucks, but because of the situation they find themselves in, they often have few other choices.



Again, I want you to imagine a world where a huge market of women would be willing to pay to watch you masturbate. And that you could make more doing that for a couple hours a day than you would waiting tables or sitting in a cubicle 8 hours a day. I'd quit my job tomorrow and a know many of you "porn is shameful" types would too.
 
2014-02-27 10:35:04 PM  

wellreadneck: Haven't ever paid much attention before now, are Hooter's waitresses known for being murderers, other than kittens,of course?



Well, more than a few have been busted.
 
2014-02-27 10:39:22 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: if you are willing to sell yourself (hooters

They sell wings there.

they sell sex there.  the food is not worth stopping for.  You go in Hooters for cute girls in short shorts with skin tight t-shirts.  The girls are not waitresses.

I dunno, they bring people food and drinks inside of a restaurant. I've never been able to purchase sex from them.



Most likely they can tell your tip just isn't...... big enough for them.
 
2014-02-27 11:30:45 PM  

browntimmy: NiceBeaver: Man...a ton of white knights and thin skin in this thread.
[i290.photobucket.com image 600x450]

The actual motive for wanting women to be more open about sex has little to do with defending their rights, it's mostly just because it's hot. And headlines like that aren't helping. And to any of you dumbshiats that think porn is evil and makes Jesus cry, imagine how many of you would do it if there was a huge market of women willing to pay to watch you fap.



I, for one, never realized that a handjob was an oxymoron.

Perchance it - the activity - should be re-named a 'growthspurt'.
 
2014-02-27 11:39:40 PM  

lobotomy survivor: Here's a video of her trying to sing. Listening to that almost made it two counts of murder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90kH77vtvOs



For the love of gawd, just Rick-roll us next time, huh???
 
2014-02-28 09:26:47 AM  

browntimmy: Again, I want you to imagine a world where a huge market of women would be willing to pay to watch you masturbate. And that you could make more doing that for a couple hours a day than you would waiting tables or sitting in a cubicle 8 hours a day. I'd quit my job tomorrow and a know many of you "porn is shameful" types would too.


Well, I'm guess I'm not a good example.  I wouldn't accept a job masturbating for "a couple of hours a day" instead of working at my job.  I like my job.  I make good money and find it to be fulfilling.   While I'm sure a lot of men that masturbate a few hours a day and make tons of money might think they are doing a good public service to the "women" that are willing to pay to watch them masturbate -- I just don't think your fantasy scenario works out in the real world.

#1) Most people in porn don't make that much money.
#2) Most people in porn aren't paid to just masturbate on camera
#3) Men that are paid to masturbate on camera are primarily being watched by other men, not women (not that there's anything wrong with that)

In your fantasy land, where the people involved in porn are all masturbating men getting rich from women paying them huge sums to watch them, then there's not a whole lot of exploitation going on.

In the real world, it's usually drug addled broke people that will do anything to make a buck that are sucked into cum gurgling on video to make money.  To me that is exploitation and I believe it's morally wrong to encourage it.

/But as long as we're all moral relativists here, go ahead and do what you want.
 
2014-02-28 09:52:50 AM  
simkatu:
In the real world, it's usually drug addled broke people that will do anything to make a buck that are sucked into cum gurgling on video to make money.

It's "usually" like that? Did you come to that conclusion after hearing stories about a few (out of thousands) that were like that? My guess would be the ratio of those with drug problems to not isn't much higher than musicians.
 
2014-02-28 11:36:32 AM  

browntimmy: My guess would be the ratio of those with drug problems to not isn't much higher than musicians.


most of the females that are in porn have drug problems.  much like most strippers are supporting a coke\heroin habit.  porn and sex work in general BREAKS females.
 
2014-02-28 12:25:52 PM  
most of the females that are in porn have drug problems.  much like most strippers are supporting a coke\heroin habit.  porn and sex work in general BREAKS females.


I bet your knowledge of the opposite sex comes completely from the internet
 
2014-02-28 02:18:55 PM  

doubled99: most of the females that are in porn have drug problems.  much like most strippers are supporting a coke\heroin habit.  porn and sex work in general BREAKS females.


I bet your knowledge of the opposite sex comes completely from the internet


no, it comes from facing reality.  porn and stripping and sex work in general DOES exploit females.  And it breaks many of them.  And it causes many to turn to drugs to cope.  Are there a few well adjusted girls that take money shots to the face for cash?  Sure.

But not all that many.
 
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