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(Daily Mail)   We can now add "routine wisdom teeth extraction" to the list of things that can kill a perfectly healthy 18-year-old   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 80
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2014-02-26 11:51:01 PM
Every surgery has risks. Even removing wisdom teeth. That's why you have to sign an informed consent statement before any surgery.
 
2014-02-27 12:12:00 AM
Um...yeah. Any time you have surgery, you run that risk. Folks go under anesthesia, and sometimes, they just don't wake up. Impacted wisdom teeth run the risk of infection. Oddly enough, I REALLY have to be careful with cuts and such, because I have an artificial valve. I get an odd infection, and if it sticks to the little plastic clicker, it could potentially gum up the works. Even healthy folks can get infections that kill them the old fashioned way. Heck, sometimes folks get odd clots that can gum up the works in even healthy hearts.

It's not common, but yeah, it still happens. Just because Smitty doesn't realize this, and thinks that 18 year olds are somehow invulnerable, doesn't make it so...
 
2014-02-27 12:30:25 AM
www.cdc.gov
 
2014-02-27 12:37:50 AM
Yeah it happens.

Almost everyone will go through life never once being struck by lightning.

Roy Sullivan was struck 7 times and survived until he died of lead poisoning.
 
2014-02-27 12:58:28 AM

fusillade762: [www.cdc.gov image 850x434]


The 3rd leading cause of death is preventable medical errors in hospitals. 440,000 Americans per year. That's more than the population of Atlanta.
But that's not a crisis. Guns are a crisis. Global warming is a crisis.
 
2014-02-27 01:18:31 AM

Triumph: fusillade762: [www.cdc.gov image 850x434]

The 3rd leading cause of death is preventable medical errors in hospitals. 440,000 Americans per year. That's more than the population of Atlanta.
But that's not a crisis. Guns are a crisis. Global warming is a crisis.


That's the equivalent of two fully loaded 747s crashing into a mountain and killing everyone on board every single day for an entire year, plus a third one for each Saturday and Sunday.
 
2014-02-27 01:25:09 AM

Serious Black: Triumph: fusillade762: [www.cdc.gov image 850x434]

The 3rd leading cause of death is preventable medical errors in hospitals. 440,000 Americans per year. That's more than the population of Atlanta.
But that's not a crisis. Guns are a crisis. Global warming is a crisis.

That's the equivalent of two fully loaded 747s crashing into a mountain and killing everyone on board every single day for an entire year, plus a third one for each Saturday and Sunday.


nonsense.

Do you know how much an airliner costs? The cheapest of them are well over 100 grand.

And then there's all the collateral damage, and the extreme costs of determining the cause of the accident.

It's much worse than just shoving someone into a grave every 80 seconds!
 
2014-02-27 01:26:19 AM
well over 100 million bucks, rather.

A brand new 747-8 will cost you about a third of a billion dollars.
 
2014-02-27 01:29:21 AM
as usual,  hubiestubert has it right
 
2014-02-27 03:14:44 AM
Music teacher Julia Frothingham, who taught Benjamin bass clarinet for six years at Cheverus High School, said: 'I know he's not my son, but I feel like I watched him grow up. I'll miss not being able to see where he goes from here.'

No, you'll have plenty of opportunity to do exactly that.
 
2014-02-27 07:38:42 AM
I had to sign a waiver that did mention death, so I am not sure why it would be completely unexpected.
 
2014-02-27 07:44:26 AM
Just had a wisdom tooth out. Wasn't impacted but it was rotted away down to the roots, and the dentist had to extract it in chunks. Don't know what the normal amount of time is but he was rooting (ha) around in there for over an hour.

I had put off having it done for over two years after originally being told it needed to come out immediately. I'm aware that my anxiety about dentists is irrational but I'm glad I didnt see this til afterwards.
 
2014-02-27 07:49:10 AM
He shoulda just yanked it himself

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2014-02-27 07:53:44 AM
TFA says that the guy died a few days after the surgery, not because of the anesthesia.
 
2014-02-27 07:56:57 AM

Triumph: fusillade762: [www.cdc.gov image 850x434]

The 3rd leading cause of death is preventable medical errors in hospitals. 440,000 Americans per year. That's more than the population of Atlanta.
But that's not a crisis. Guns are a crisis. Global warming is a crisis.


As someone who just got his wisdom teeth pulled, I'm getting a kick out of the health care system being a profit-driven industry that overworks its employees for the bottom line.
 
2014-02-27 07:59:25 AM
I'm guessing a blood clot broke loose and cut off circulation to something important, like the brain stem.
 
2014-02-27 07:59:54 AM

HighlanderRPI: He shoulda just yanked it himself


Anesthesia wasn't what killed the kid, he died two days after they brought him out. From what the article says, it sounds like it was an infection that set in afterward, and the odds of that happening are actually much higher when you extract the teeth yourself (though they can never be zero in any case).

/they also increase when you don't follow your dentists' advice, like avoiding chewy foods for a couple weeks so the scabs don't open up
//not saying that's what happened, maybe the surgeon was sloppy and left something in there to fester
///best to wait for the autopsy report before jumping on anyone
 
2014-02-27 08:00:54 AM
Wow, nice responses. I'm sure his family will look back at his consent form and it'll all be okay.

What a horrible tragedy.
 
2014-02-27 08:01:32 AM

pkellmey: I had to sign a waiver that did mention death, so I am not sure why it would be completely unexpected.


Almost everything hospital/surgical related mentions death, so I think people have stopped taking it seriously (when they shouldn't). Aspirin mentions death. My mom had an antibiotic once that a potential side effect was "trauma."

/might be extremely rare, but it still could happen.
 
2014-02-27 08:04:21 AM

BullBearMS: I'm guessing a blood clot broke loose and cut off circulation to something important, like the brain stem.


Hard to tell, but my first guess was that he lost his airway.
 
2014-02-27 08:06:44 AM

Triumph: fusillade762: [www.cdc.gov image 850x434]

The 3rd leading cause of death is preventable medical errors in hospitals. 440,000 Americans per year. That's more than the population of Atlanta.
But that's not a crisis. Guns are a crisis. Global warming is a crisis.


Triumph, since you're raising it... how many of those 440,000 are over 80 years old?

/I agree with you
 
2014-02-27 08:08:04 AM

Whole Wheat: Wow, nice responses. I'm sure his family will look back at his consent form and it'll all be okay.

What a horrible tragedy.


Yeah, such a terrible tragedy.  I'm sure you mourned for microseconds and microseconds before clicking on another link.
 
2014-02-27 08:12:02 AM
Old news is old. Don't go under unless it's absofarkinglutely necessary. Keep it local.

RIP Rodney Dangerfield
 
2014-02-27 08:14:41 AM

9Speed: Whole Wheat: Wow, nice responses. I'm sure his family will look back at his consent form and it'll all be okay.

What a horrible tragedy.

Yeah, such a terrible tragedy.  I'm sure you mourned for microseconds and microseconds before clicking on another link.


Congratulations, you're a prick. Everyone who sees you daily thinks you're a prick.
 
2014-02-27 08:16:22 AM
3 days after? I'm going with OD'ed on pain meds.
 
2014-02-27 08:16:36 AM
Pretty soon we should have the technology to scrape some of the dried spit our of his clarinet, and clone another one. So there's that.
 
2014-02-27 08:18:42 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Old news is old. Don't go under unless it's absofarkinglutely necessary. Keep it local.

RIP Rodney Dangerfield


Wisdom tooth extraction is necessary if you want to survive very far past 40.

/see, the thing is, they never actually stop growing
//no matter how much care you take to keep them clean, they will eventually put enough pressure on other important parts of your mouth to cause escalating health issues
///voice of experience here, had to have mine sectioned into pieces to get them out, and had to spend six weeks eating nothing chewier than pudding as a result
 
2014-02-27 08:18:55 AM

stuhayes2010: 3 days after? I'm going with OD'ed on pain meds.


It says he got progressively worse after 3 days. I'm guessing massive infection.
 
2014-02-27 08:21:44 AM
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"Routine surgery is still surgery."

Shiat happens in this world. You could die in a squirrel attack if you just happen to be the poor bastard sitting on the outlying data point.
 
2014-02-27 08:25:05 AM

BullBearMS: I'm guessing a blood clot broke loose and cut off circulation to something important, like the brain stem.


Sepsis. I'm going to go with sepsis.
 
2014-02-27 08:27:06 AM

OhioKnight: Triumph: fusillade762: [www.cdc.gov image 850x434]

The 3rd leading cause of death is preventable medical errors in hospitals. 440,000 Americans per year. That's more than the population of Atlanta.
But that's not a crisis. Guns are a crisis. Global warming is a crisis.

Triumph, since you're raising it... how many of those 440,000 are over 80 years old?

/I agree with you


Oh I see..you're ageist.  I thought death was death and death is bad so we should prevent it because.
 
2014-02-27 08:27:22 AM

Whole Wheat: 9Speed: Whole Wheat: Wow, nice responses. I'm sure his family will look back at his consent form and it'll all be okay.

What a horrible tragedy.

Yeah, such a terrible tragedy.  I'm sure you mourned for microseconds and microseconds before clicking on another link.

Congratulations, you're a prick. Everyone who sees you daily thinks you're a prick.


Way to cheapen the word "tragedy" to complete worthlessness. Life must be immeasurably depressing if you believe every single death is actually a horrible tragedy. People die... get over it.
 
2014-02-27 08:30:39 AM
People, please remember the Daily Fail should not be confused with a real 'news source'....

FTA: "A cause of death for the 18-year-old has not been determined yet, but his parents, Peter and Lynn, believe it was caused by surgery complications.

and the opinions of the sad parents, of a bereaved child, should not be confused with real medical opinion
 
2014-02-27 08:30:50 AM

9Speed: People die... get over it.


If it was a preventable death, getting over it should not be the phrase you use. Preventing it from happening again should be the phrase.
 
2014-02-27 08:30:52 AM
Never had wisdom teeth so I know nothing of the pain.

As for the article, I'm guessing some sort of reaction to antibiotics or pain meds added to lack of emergency care at remote location.
 
2014-02-27 08:34:37 AM

Mr. Breeze: Never had wisdom teeth so I know nothing of the pain.


Think kidney stone in your mouth pain.

Mr. Breeze: As for the article, I'm guessing some sort of reaction to antibiotics or pain meds added to lack of emergency care at remote location.


Based on the fact that he went down over three days getting progressively worse, I'm going to go with sepsis (abcess vs ludwig's angina versus various other infections of the oral cavity/gums) from an infection that the antibiotic didn't cover or had resistance to. The human mouth is utterly filthy, and lots of those germs like to cause very nasty problems if they get into the bloodstream.

furterfan: and the opinions of the sad parents, of a bereaved child, should not be confused with real medical opinion


18 year old kids don't just drop dead for no reason, usually - unless this kid had an undiagnosed heart or brain condition.
 
2014-02-27 08:35:49 AM

9Speed: Whole Wheat: Wow, nice responses. I'm sure his family will look back at his consent form and it'll all be okay.

What a horrible tragedy.

Yeah, such a terrible tragedy.  I'm sure you mourned for microseconds and microseconds before clicking on another link.


For an android, that is nearly an eternity.
 
2014-02-27 08:36:23 AM
So what rich guy needed new organs?
 
2014-02-27 08:43:34 AM
I had my wisdom teeth removed years ago and got a double infection.  Put me in the hospital for 8 days and nearly died.  The swelling cut off my windpipe.  I passed out in the ER and they had me in an OR in 45 minutes.  NEVER take "routine" to mean "safe".......
 
2014-02-27 08:45:44 AM

9Speed: Whole Wheat: 9Speed: Whole Wheat: Wow, nice responses. I'm sure his family will look back at his consent form and it'll all be okay.

What a horrible tragedy.

Yeah, such a terrible tragedy.  I'm sure you mourned for microseconds and microseconds before clicking on another link.

Congratulations, you're a prick. Everyone who sees you daily thinks you're a prick.

Way to cheapen the word "tragedy" to complete worthlessness. Life must be immeasurably depressing if you believe every single death is actually a horrible tragedy. People die... get over it.


Tragedy (noun) - "a lamentable, dreadful, or fatal event or affair; calamity; disaster". The death of an 18 year old from a tooth extraction is a tragedy.

I've seen my number of people who fall into the "less than one percent of serious complications" in the 2000+ heart caths I've assisted as a CC nurse. When people roll in for routine procedures and roll out in body bags or on ventilators, it is tragedy for all involved.

You have to sit on the sidelines and be a callous prick to sit on the sidelines and scoff at someone else's loss.

Welcometofark.png, I know, but I scratch my head at the mental illness known as trolling.
 
2014-02-27 08:46:35 AM
Clicks story.

Wasn't a hot chick. No problem.
 
2014-02-27 08:46:53 AM
Dammitsomuch, I didn't select enough before hitting cut.
 
2014-02-27 08:52:29 AM
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2014-02-27 08:52:50 AM

Triumph: fusillade762: [www.cdc.gov image 850x434]

The 3rd leading cause of death is preventable medical errors in hospitals. 440,000 Americans per year. That's more than the population of Atlanta.
But that's not a crisis. Guns are a crisis. Global warming is a crisis.


I agree on all 3 accounts.
 
2014-02-27 08:55:27 AM

If it had been an infection massive enough to have killed him, he should have spiked a hell of a fever.

The article didn't mention him getting progressively worse and running a high fever. It said he died suddenly.

A talented high school musician has died suddenly in Maine

and

The teen had reportedly suffered some typical swelling and pain following the procedure and by Friday it had intensified.

And by the early morning hours, he was dead.

Since the change was sudden, I'm sticking with the blood clot breaking loose and going mobile in the blood stream. I believe the official term for that is an embolism.
 
2014-02-27 08:57:24 AM

QueenMamaBee: stuhayes2010: 3 days after? I'm going with OD'ed on pain meds.

It says he got progressively worse after 3 days. I'm guessing massive infection.


The article doesn't mention him having fever.

He could have had a high temperature, but it seems like an odd thing to leave out considering the other details.

/me thinks he overdosed on being a hipster.
 
2014-02-27 08:58:10 AM

Serious Black: Triumph: fusillade762: [www.cdc.gov image 850x434]

The 3rd leading cause of death is preventable medical errors in hospitals. 440,000 Americans per year. That's more than the population of Atlanta.
But that's not a crisis. Guns are a crisis. Global warming is a crisis.

That's the equivalent of two fully loaded 747s crashing into a mountain and killing everyone on board every single day for an entire year, plus a third one for each Saturday and Sunday.


Equivalent? How exactly do you figure in the cost of the 747's?
 
2014-02-27 08:58:40 AM
Darwin always wins.
 
2014-02-27 08:59:43 AM

Whole Wheat: 9Speed: Whole Wheat: 9Speed: Whole Wheat: Wow, nice responses. I'm sure his family will look back at his consent form and it'll all be okay.

What a horrible tragedy.

Yeah, such a terrible tragedy.  I'm sure you mourned for microseconds and microseconds before clicking on another link.

Congratulations, you're a prick. Everyone who sees you daily thinks you're a prick.

Way to cheapen the word "tragedy" to complete worthlessness. Life must be immeasurably depressing if you believe every single death is actually a horrible tragedy. People die... get over it.

Tragedy (noun) - "a lamentable, dreadful, or fatal event or affair; calamity; disaster". The death of an 18 year old from a tooth extraction is a tragedy.

I've seen my number of people who fall into the "less than one percent of serious complications" in the 2000+ heart caths I've assisted as a CC nurse. When people roll in for routine procedures and roll out in body bags or on ventilators, it is tragedy for all involved.

You have to sit on the sidelines and be a callous prick to sit on the sidelines and scoff at someone else's loss.

Welcometofark.png, I know, but I scratch my head at the mental illness known as trolling.


Take a close look at the definition you posted:

Tragedy (noun) - "a lamentable, dreadful, or fatal event or affair; calamity; disaster"

Disaster (noun) - "something (such as a flood, tornado, fire, plane crash, etc.) that happens suddenly and causes much suffering or loss to many people"
Calamity (noun) - "1:  a state of deep distress or 2:a disastrous event marked by great loss and lasting and suffering"

Like I said, you cheapen the word "tragedy" when you use it to describe an event that I doubt you even had a single emotional response to.  About 155,000 people die every single day.  This 18 year old was one of them.
 
2014-02-27 09:02:48 AM

spawn73: QueenMamaBee: stuhayes2010: 3 days after? I'm going with OD'ed on pain meds.

It says he got progressively worse after 3 days. I'm guessing massive infection.

The article doesn't mention him having fever.

He could have had a high temperature, but it seems like an odd thing to leave out considering the other details.

/me thinks he overdosed on being a hipster.


Then why aren't NYC and Seattle ghost towns?
 
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